Hey, I'm the author of a few of the fleet boat and now the entire u-boat list! I like both boats. But that doesn't mean that there aren't advantages and disadvantages of both. I haven't heard one person talk about Donitz' tenure as Fuhrer and how he discharged that responsibility. He focused exclusively at bringing the war to a close as soon as possible, with the fewest number of German casualties. He was NOT a Nazi.

All I see from the U-Boat crowd is grousing, not participating in something that should be fun and informative. Accusing Luke of being counting challenged is not a substitute for successfully advocating your favorite boat. Get to it! I gave you a decent start, which I give you license to edit as you please.

Or you can continue to confuse a light-hearted advocacy of fleet boats as an attack on your manhood. They say you can always tell a German, but you can't tell him much. Don't identify with your favorite boat to the extent that you exemplify this "only accurate enough to be funny" characature of the German mindset.

My addition are #27,#28 and #29. I thought them quite clever:D Back to reality and reality check....enter John Channing and I quote....."It is a game"

One reason why sailing a u-boot is better than sex :

-you can do it with 50 stinky and sweaty men without anybody looking at you funny :|\\

Oh my, the imagery here....:o. I believe I will skip this movie:rotfl:

Oh come on, don't tell me you would skip that scene when a dozen of half naked sweaty men grease some big torpedoes ? :D

Got a good chuckle out of this one:rotfl: Again with the imagery:o

I'll take the bait because that's what it is.

Nobody called LukeFF numerically challenged.

What I am accusing him of is baiting.

You, LukeFF & I know (as do others) where this list originated from, who was involved in it's creation and the subsequent comments about said list. His statement of not knowing where it came from is a blatant lie and then his continuing post is nothing more than his usual caliber of post. The nature of this thread was summed up in post #3.

Quite frankly RR, you can pad your argument out as much as you like and try to convince people that this was meant in jest but it doesn't wash anymore, especially if (as I have) you have seen & read the original thread. Further & similar comments on other topics, are public record for all to see and I grow tired of seeing the two faced posting nature of many members here (I don't single you out in this statement, there are many others).

If people don't have the balls to truthfully post their thoughts and continue attempting to play on both sides of the fence, they shouldn't speak up. That, if I may mention him here without malice, is something I admire about Ducimus. He has the stones to post truthfully, I may not like everything he posts but I appreciate people who are honest.

Your attempt to convince me that this was posted by LukeFF as a legitimate discussion topic and to try to pass this off as humorous is an affront to my and others intelligence.

If Sigmund Freund still lives, what he thinking about it:hmm:

:huh:

:roll:

This is to argue the impossible.

Of course the Japanese could drop DCs, and they sank, what, 25% of the submarine fleet, which as a percentage of losses in any allied arm is matched only by British bomber crews i think.

But, you know, when you think about it, that the Japanese despite trying hard later in the war, simply did not have the resources and technology to provide the total, all-encompassing, relentless ASW campaign that the british and Americans put up together in the Atlantic front. It's not because they were incompetent. it's because the resources and technology were just not there. And the losses to the U-boats reflects this.

And if the British and Americans occupy the top two slots, then the japanese were at teh very best third rate.

Tell me..let's say your primary aim was to come home and live to see your kids grow up. Which ASW campaign would you have rather faced in the submarine of your choice?

What's this meant to be RR? Is it in some way relevant?

next patrol, I'm bringing a cork for my sterntube

O.K. I'll take the bait (even though I'm not an expert and maybe I'm talking bs here).

9. If your country is low on "war important materials" it is much better to ride a lot of small type VIIs than just a handful of fleetboats. (We were always low on resources like steel)

10. The U-Boat can run with a smaller crew (so you don't have to write so many letters to the familys after your sub got sunk with you as the only survivor in front of your monitor;))

11. A U-Boat's silhouette is more difficult to spot because of the smaller conning tower and the smaller overall body.

12. The U-Boat can go deeper.

13. The "all hands forward" command will ensure that your crew stays physically fit.:cool:

So that's it for me (as I said I'm no expert and a lot of that stuff is based on what I've heard from someone who has heard that....).

What wonders me is that fleetboats were going three knots at silent running. Were they as quiet as the Germans running one knot? If not then I wouldn't call that an advantage.:hmm:

To Lukes 18th point.
U 2540 (NATO code Y 880) a type XXI served until 1968 and was later used as testsubmarine until 1982.;)
(Unfortunately these sites are in German but I bet you can find some English pages about that too)
http://www.janmaat.de/m_wbauer.htm

U 995 (type VIIc/41) was used by the Norwegian navy until 1962 (decommissioned in 1965)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_995

And now the experts can tear me apart:p.

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U-2540 was scuttled, raised in 1957 (I think) and used as the research submarine Wilhelm Bauer, Never as a combat vessel (And was subsequently decomissioned in 1980 and turned into a museum in 1983 (With the originial WWII configuration))

Ditto. Good grief if some uboat-guy starts a topic even hinting that uboats are better than fleet boats, he'd have half the fleet boat guys on his throat, no matter how he'd say. LukeFF being one of them I'm sure.

Havent we already seen how threads like this will end? :roll:

I'm excited to see how this thread will end. :D