hehehe exactly the reason it would be called an "Alternate reality" mod :up:

I find your hypothesis very interesting :yep: In fact I love it :up:
Just one small point Would there have been a merchant fleet big enough ? :hmm:

taking into account that every able bodied man would have likely chosen to stay behind and fight it would almost surely be only women, children, elderly, and VIPs who would be evacuated. the evacuation would be made in stages and would take quite some time to complete. Note: it took from September to December to complete the evacuations

the first convoys would run from england to iceland drop off and return.

second convoys would run from iceland to greenland dropp off and return.

final leg would be convoys from greenland into ports in canada.

many passenger carrying aircraft would also participate.

all that whilst the Germans U-boots are watching? Hmm...:hmm:

If you look how the Nazis worked this scenario in other places they would have looked to contain the country and stop a mass exodus...

And what able bodied men? There would be none left (remember Dunkirk? The Nazis could have wiped out the whole fighting power of the British if they wouldn' have had a break)....

That would kind of be the point of having U-boats in this series of events = to interdict the mass exodus.

Not only to prevent any manpower from escaping the UK but to also attempt to use the U-boat fleet to intercept any capitol shipping which may be trying to reposition to canada and the USA.

Nope, I don't belive there would have been. Given the alternative u-boat success.

Something else wrong (IMO), the idea the British would surrender their fleet. Scuttled maybe.

And what of the Med?

I think the whole point of evacuating the population from an island that size is highly improbable. Especially if Germany really had completely blockaded England which is the premise of the scenario. There would have been no way to escape. A few liners like the Queens might have been fast enough to get past the Typ XXI uboat screen around Britain with several ten thousand people, but to evacuate even 10% of the civilian population en masse with a few fast lines would take years.
England in the 1940s was not self-sufficient when it comes to food. So if surrounded and starved for food supplies for the population, England would have only had the option of surrender or of it's population dying of hunger. It's like a siege on a fortress on a large scale. Being an island is the greatest defense and the greatest weakness of England.

I am definitely interested!!!!!! :up: Is it ready for download? hehe :arrgh!:

It would be a relief to get out of that gloomy atmosphere of defeat

That´s exactly what i think. Go for it!

Listen, I have an idea. Does anyone in here remember Panzer General? Here it's possible to win WWII from German side. How about making the campaign according to the progress in Panzer general seen from a u boat's side? Damn my English is not so good....does anyone understand what I mean?

your english is perfect friend... i have never played panzer general but i know what you mean.

I understand what you mean :yep: ....your to be complemented on your English too :up: ....I'm just not that sure how your idea could/would be implemented in the game :hmm:

@Jimbuna/goldenrivet:

First of all sorry for the late reply and thanks for understanding :) . Well, I have the good old panzer general I, which I personally think is the most realistic of them all, later it all went too much arcade style. Anyway, it's really interesting to look at the outcome of the war in this game because there are several of them, depending on how well you do. When SSI made the game way back they made it upon a theory of 3 key years in WWII where Germany had the chance to win or turn the tide and those years were well the beginning of course, if everything had went well from 1939 then the war should have ended in 1944 with UK invaded in 1940 and Soviet Union beaten and US not involved at all! OR 1941, if everything goes as in history then another chance of turning the tide for the Germans will be in 1941 and the key factors will be Africa and Russia, then as the last chance, 1943, key battles being Kharkov and Sicilly, operation Husky. Now if one starts a campaign from the beginning in 1939 and plays to the end then the outcome will be different every time, depending on skills and luck and so on. Now...Imagine if somebody played a full campaign, this can be done in a few weeks, writes down the "history" and THEN, somebody in here with a sound knowledge of how this land war would affect the u-boat war, then voila! Do you get the picture? :D

Maybe Gibraltar would have been invaded as a preparation for opr. sealion in 1940 to free the Italian fleet, then the Gibraltar crossing would be a walk in the park, maybe the snorkel would never had been needed at all and Germany would have had a sub war like the US in the pacific. Maybe 1943 would have been a challenge only and not a turning point leading to defeat of the uboat arm, if a German victory on the western front and thereby more ressources for technology....am I talking daft? What do you think?

I just mean that, a lot of research went into making panzer general I and plausible outcomes of WWII if Germany had won, if a game can decide the "script" for the campaign you are planning in here, why then waste months of discussing possible outcomes....It would be just like a historic calculator in a way :)

nah - wouldn't happen that way... Germany could never have won the war, even if Hitler never made a single mistake in his battle plans - the moment he opened the second front the war was lost (and if he hadn't Stalin was going to attack sooner rather than later anyhow). Now let's take the absolute ideal starting position and say that Japan actually stuck to the plan and attacked Russia from the East instead of going after America, the Axis still would have lost the war in Europe simply because of the Allied efforts there and the overwhelming resources they could bring into play.

America and England were working together in naval R&D, and the Brits had a choke hold on the Kriegsflotte so there was no realistic chance of the U-boots ever making it big as needed for a scenario like this to work...

you are 100% absolutely correct and i agree with you Germany was Screwed from day one.

but in the (so far non-existant) super fantasy, make believe world of the alternate reality mod (which a person would have the option of using) the Krauts pull a win out of dark moist places you shouldnt talk about at dinner. :rotfl: