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DJSatane

03-18-07 11:40 AM

Well I dont want to get into this, but I have few friends with consoles and let's just say there is plenty of piracy in consoles as well. In any case, UBI did the smart thing if protecting mp with cd key. This way at least there is some protection.

Ark	03-18-07 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I hate to join the ranks of the ranters, but here goes one:

1) Pirates - :down:
Way to leak a game. I should hope that anyone who even thinks of going this route thinks again. Whatever the case, we all HAVE to support the developers. This, like it or not, is a matter of life-and-death to our hobby - if we can't support commercial subsims, we can kiss them goodbye. If anyone here dares to say non-commercial subsims are the way to go - I'll give them a pat on the back, and ask them to see their finished product - and don't get me wrong, but it's just a fact that we NEED true, original commercial development in our hobby right now.

2) Ubi - :down:
Great way to let the pirates get ahead of you. For shame, you're a company with millions of dollars in budget, and you can't afford to set up even an online distro system, TWO WEEKS after the game has gone gold - and after the 'scene' beat you to it.
I consider myself a very dissatisfied customer. Though I will not cancel my order, because I'm honorable enough to have two legit game copies, I must say I am seriously disappointed - I paid $49.99 US, and I can't even get a game I've been waiting for more than a year, any earlier than the pirate scambags.

3) Release date confusion - :down:
How can a game be shipping in one country, while others who paid to pre-order in others can't even get it online or mailed to them in time?

I ask that everyone here who's pre-ordered from Ubisoft PLEASE write these guys a few emails expressing their dissatisfaction. As customers, you have to speak out for yourselves.

You will never see me whining about the game - I'll post bug reports and errors in proper threads, and that'll be the end of it. But this is where I draw the line.

Again, :down:

I went the extra distance and went ahead and called everyday for the past week. Usually right before they get off work. lol

mookiemookie

03-18-07 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by flintlock

The pirated leak is unfortunate, though definitely not surprising. I believe this remains a significant reason why PC sales continue to decline and more and more developers/publishers are choosing to focus their efforts and resources on consoles. As usual, the thieves (I prefer this over pirates) get the game before paying customers and without copy protection. What's wrong with this picture?

With DVD burners becoming very common, even consoles are not immune to the effects of piracy.

I blame the Playstation 2. When it came out, it offered a good system for an affordable price. People flocked to it, and the game companies saw that's where the money was. And now with Nintendo and Microsoft on the bandwagon, it's become a snowball effect. I just hope that there will continue to be companies like Ubi who cater to us niche market simulation folk despite the fact that PC game sales continue to decline.

I am kind of hacked off about the release date confusion. But I won't blame Ubi just yet. It could be the fault of a few retailers breaking the release date and not Ubisoft's doing at all.

CCIP	03-18-07 11:56 AM

Still, I do say the biggest problem with game sales is not so much piracy but bad customer service and unfinished products. Every copy pirated is not a copy that stays on the shelf, however.

Not to defend piracy, but I think companies need to take initiative to 'win'. They could sell games at more competitive prices, or use their returns to better-finance developers and make games with fewer holes to plug.

And I'll always stand by the idea that the best copy protection is a good package, lots of extras, and a detailed manual!

I think game companies need to be prodded by their customers into being more efficient and less greedy - but piracy is not the right way to do it!

kiwi_2005

03-18-07 05:38 PM

EDIT wrong thread

THE_MASK

03-18-07 05:43 PM

Basically the pirators are taking away from genuine sales and our chance to have a atlantic add on or whatever .:stare:

bigboywooly

03-18-07 05:51 PM

Piracy has gone on for years and will continue to do so
Whatever security systems are in place someone will always want to break it
Just because they can

Consoles arent immune from piracy either
Not quite sure how the latest ones stack up as not bought one since PS2

Not excusing or condoning it its just a fact of life

No substitute for having the proper disc and packaging though but to a lot of ppl that wont matter
A free game\program or album is just that

But it shouldnt take away from the fact games arent being released finished
I love the SH series and long may it continue

My computer specs stop me from moving onto SH4 at the moment but I will end up buying it soon

By the time I get round to being able to afford to upgrade SHV will be out :rotfl:

Aimbot

03-18-07 06:11 PM

Fortunately the target market of sims are not the 15-20 age group, as they are most likely to download torrents. Most people older than 20 have a steady income and can spend 50$ without too much consternation, and are more worried about hardware upgrades, which obviously can't be downloaded.

Back in high school most of my friends used torrents as a rental system. They couldn't afford to plink down 50$ on every game that caught their interest so they'd just download it and try it for a week or so before either buying or uninstalling it. One of my friends did do nothing but download, but he got busted for music piracy a couple of years ago, so enjoy a good laugh at his expence.

I can understand using torrents as rentals, though I've never done it, if it's a kid who can't afford to buy more than two or three games a year. I think devs should be given an open season on pure pirates though. :up:

kptn_kaiserhof

03-19-07 12:16 AM

to kiwi 2005

im a aussie gamer i started my prepay order for sh4 3 weeks ago
then i payed the rest of it on the 15 of march supsed release date

then
eb told me 15th was pre release date
then they said 26 of march its relesed

THEY SHOULD MAKE THERE MINDS UP!!!

StandingCow

03-19-07 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by flintlock

I disagree, while I am against pirating, to think that is the reason for PC sales declining in my opinion is not correct.

First off, the quality of games is not what it once was, and many games are released with so many bugs some are even unplayable.

Cost is another issue that ties in with the above comment, why spend 40-50 bucks on something that you cannot even play or is a terrible game?

The last is, many people that pirate a game would not have gone out and purchased it, they only get it because they can for free, so that throws statistics way off (Game Makers saying they lost so much money), if people that pirate games end up liking said game, many will go out and buy it, so they sort of use it like a demo. There is a very interesting article on cnn.com about this.

I am not condoning pirating games at all, I am very against it. But I disagree with it being a reason that PC sales are declining.

IRONxMortlock

03-19-07 12:40 AM

I think the best copy protection is to have a unique CD key for every copy and then require people to create an account at Ubisoft which checks that key. If you don't register the account you can't play.

Short of hacking into Ubi I can't see anyway someone could get around such a system.
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flintlock

03-19-07 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by StandingCow

I am not condoning pirating games at all, I am very against it. But I disagree with it being a reason that PC sales are declining.

You may disagree, but it remains one of the reasons of declining PC sales. Moreover, there have been developers which have publicly stated that due to rampant PC pirating, they will focus future efforts on console platforms. Whether or not they are correct is irrelevant, all that matters in the end is that they perceive it to be true. That's not to say that console titles can't be pirated, because we all know they can--it's a different animal though.

StandingCow

03-19-07 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by flintlock

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Originally Posted by StandingCow

I am not condoning pirating games at all, I am very against it. But I disagree with it being a reason that PC sales are declining.

I agree that them thinking its the reason for a major decline is the issue... not that it IS a huge issue.

What happens when they focus on Consoles? People will just hack those more.

And all copy protection seems to do is annoy people that have legally purchased their software, hackers get around it pretty easily.

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

Anything can be hacked into... hell, government computers get hacked into..

flintlock

03-19-07 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by StandingCow

all copy protection seems to do is annoy people that have legally purchased their software, hackers get around it pretty easily.

I agree wholeheartedly. Legit, loyal and paying customers deal with annoying copy protection schemes whilst thieves enjoy the titles devoid of any such nuisances. It seems publishers have a difficult time wrapping their collective heads around this concept.

C'est la vie.

IRONxMortlock

03-19-07 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by StandingCow

Anything can be hacked into... hell, government computers get hacked into..

Yes, we've all seen war games but I think this method would effectively stop it. The vast bulk of software pirates would lack the skills needed to do that. It would be easier to just go to the shop and buy it.
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