Tchocky |
12-17-06 09:14 PM |
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Originally Posted by Rose
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Originally Posted by Rose
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Originally Posted by U-533
"they took my families property back in 1041 A.D. and killed my some of my family and raped some too"
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That's basically the gist of it AFAIK (along with a couple of other things)... Stupid really.
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I'm going to revise this statement a little. I think it's really more to do with the fact that the British gov't (specifically Lord Trevelyan) during the famine withheld corn surplus from the Irish (that the Irish had farmed themselves) so they could export it for profit. If Trevelyan had not done this, the Irish would have been relatively well off. Instead, the British gov't starved 200,000 Irish souls :nope:. That is where the deep roots of hatred come from (but come on, that was 150 years ago). The IRA use this, among other things, as an excuse to blow up innocents.
I'm all for a united Ireland, but there must be some other way.
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Actually British/Irish anomosity lasted past 1041 :roll:. Ireland has only been independent from Britain for just over eighty years.
The Famine, or An Gorta Mor, was not engineered by the British, but they did nothing to help. The main reason for the British military presence in Ireland was to safeguard the food & livestock shipments. The Famine would have been devastating anyway, but the British involvement was negligible, hence some resentment. They could have done so much. And your figures are a little off. the consensus is that between 750,000 and 1 million died between 1845-49.
Also, even if these shipments had not been flowing out of the country every day, the people would not have been "relatively well off". The system of inheritance was egalitarian instead of primogenitural (sp?), each son would get a part of the family land, as opposed to the first born. This brought a lot of people down to subsistence farming. Emigration was already high, and during the Famine over 10% of the population just left.
The IRA (as we know know it) was a reaction to the British presence in Northern Ireland. A sectarian state existed, with a discrimatory police force. I'm not defending the IRA, but they werent blowing up pubs in Belfast because of the Famine.
As regards a united Ireland, I don't understand it. The very fact that 60-70% of those living in Northern Ireland dont want to become part of the Republic speaks for itself. The economic mess that the North has become, along with the success of the South, warns against taking in a crippled economy.
and the minor point that North & South have only ever been unified under one ruler: the British Crown. Who the hell cares?
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