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Oberon 11-20-14 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2262664)
Yeah? That solves everything. Let's make everything easy. That should be easy.

Would be nice, wouldn't it? :yep:

Onkel Neal 11-20-14 10:29 AM

This reminds me of one of my kids wanting to know why Santa Claus didn't simply come every day, instead of once a year.

Think of the Elf overtime!:har:

Betonov 11-20-14 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2262664)
Yeah? That solves everything. Let's make everything easy. That should be easy.

We already made it easy for some. Politicians and welfare scroungers.

Oberon 11-20-14 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2262675)
This reminds me of one of my kids wanting to know why Santa Claus didn't simply come every day, instead of once a year.

Think of the Elf overtime!:har:

It's all a manner of perception.

The kid has a roof over their head, a parent who loves them, food on the table, clean water from the tap, a place to defecate that doesn't go straight into the same water you drink and bathe in. And they have that every single day. :o
Of course, because society takes this for granted people don't realise that they do have christmas every day, that everyday that they're in relative comfort is a day that's better than many others. Instead we look around, see that someone else has something better than us and we want that, and a whole system has been worked up to take advantage of that desire in order to meet other peoples desire. Consume, produce, produce, consume, in such levels that eventually you're running just to stand still.
We've made the rod for our own backs, we make machines to make our lives easier and yet still manage to find a way to make our lives harder and more stressful.
We're a strange species. :haha:

Oberon 11-20-14 10:52 AM

That being said, you can agree that we would not have this level of luxury if it wasn't for the hard work of others. Everyone has their place in the maintenance of the said luxury, however the question is, does everyone receive the fruits of their effort in said equality?
Does Neal the truck driver get the same wage as the man who owns the company he drives for? I doubt it, and yet without Neal and his fellow drivers, the man who owns the company wouldn't have a company to own!

A curious thing about capitalism that's never made sense to me, the most important parts of it receive less attention. :hmmm:

Betonov 11-20-14 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2262684)
Does Neal the truck driver get the same wage as the man who owns the company he drives for? I doubt it, and yet without Neal and his fellow drivers, the man who owns the company wouldn't have a company to own!

Problem today is that the owner gets a disproportionally higher wage that fits his position and Neal gets a disproportionally low wage that he deserves.

ikalugin 11-20-14 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2262693)
Problem today is that the owner gets a disproportionally higher wage that fits his position and Neal gets a disproportionally low wage that he deserves.

Scandinavian countries may suit you then.

Betonov 11-20-14 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2262698)
Scandinavian countries may suit you then.

Yep.

I always handled cold better than heat.
If an option opens I'm outta here

Onkel Neal 11-20-14 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2262684)
That being said, you can agree that we would not have this level of luxury if it wasn't for the hard work of others. Everyone has their place in the maintenance of the said luxury, however the question is, does everyone receive the fruits of their effort in said equality?
Does Neal the truck driver get the same wage as the man who owns the company he drives for? I doubt it, and yet without Neal and his fellow drivers, the man who owns the company wouldn't have a company to own!

A curious thing about capitalism that's never made sense to me, the most important parts of it receive less attention. :hmmm:

Seriously? You don't understand why the CEO of my company makes more than me, one of 12,000 drivers?

I give up.

Armistead 11-20-14 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2262684)
That being said, you can agree that we would not have this level of luxury if it wasn't for the hard work of others. Everyone has their place in the maintenance of the said luxury, however the question is, does everyone receive the fruits of their effort in said equality?
Does Neal the truck driver get the same wage as the man who owns the company he drives for? I doubt it, and yet without Neal and his fellow drivers, the man who owns the company wouldn't have a company to own!

A curious thing about capitalism that's never made sense to me, the most important parts of it receive less attention. :hmmm:

Well, I sold my business years ago, once working about 200 people. I ran a large commercial paint/drywall business. I worked for a large contractor for 23 years as the Sr Project Manager, planned to retire there. The son took it over when the father died and shut it down. Not knowing what to do I took all our money and invested in a business of my own. I really no longer had a office job in a suit, I went out and worked daily with my one crew, then I came home and worked all night doing paperwork. For two years my family did nothing, it all was getting the business going. I worked 7 days a week, usually 15 hours during the week and all weekend bidding. As I grew, I was able to be more like a owner and in years it took off, but I worked my ass off and risk all. Now, I wasn't a rich CEO, best years I made 2-300K and we improved our life. I never made more than 80K at the job of 23 years. Luckily I invested a lot of that because I was later stricken with a nerve disease.

One, if business owners and CEO's didn't make good money, no one would run the businesses. The competitive markets determine wages. My employees made about 12-22 bucks per hour and I never felt guilty giving them a job regardless of the money I made. It was the goal that with hard work I could better my life that made me want to do it...

em2nought 11-21-14 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2262684)
Does Neal the truck driver get the same wage as the man who owns the company he drives for?

Neal could be driving for a company that has two trucks. The guy that put up the money for the trucks could have paid for it with profits from his other business. He might only get $10,000 a year from the trucking company while his drivers make around $50,000 each. But then we wouldn't have an evil capitalist for do nothing politicians to throw under the bus. Know your enemy guys. :03:

Oberon 11-21-14 08:02 AM

Ok.

Dowly 11-21-14 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2262679)
[..]welfare scroungers.

Depends. Over here, when I was on unemployment cashmoneythingamalingwhatsamacallit, I got about 500 euros per month. After bills, I had about 200-250 euros to spend. You can live, but you can't spend much on anything else than living. Welfare is pretty much the same thing.

Except, of course, if you are an immigrant, they you'll bathe in money because [reasons].

ikalugin 11-21-14 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 2262992)
Depends. Over here, when I was on unemployment cashmoneythingamalingwhatsamacallit, I got about 500 euros per month. After bills, I had about 200-250 euros to spend. You can live, but you can't spend much on anything else than living. Welfare is pretty much the same thing.

Except, of course, if you are an immigrant, they you'll bathe in money because [reasons].

Well your education system is great, armed forces are stronk, what else can you wish for? Finnish Space Program?

Dowly 11-21-14 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2262993)
Well your education system is great, armed forces are stronk, what else can you wish for? Finnish Space Program?

"All You Can *bleep*" brothels? :hmmm:


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