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Oberon 11-18-14 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2262199)
But it's easier for the young masses to sit around selling drugs, throwing pity parties and blame 'society' for their misfortunes. Let them rot.

Is the easy answer. :yeah:

CaptainHaplo 11-18-14 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2262200)
:hmmm:

It's not exactly a trend though, is it? I mean for every one Abramovich there's thousands, if not millions of people who never get further than the working as a mechanic at the local factory stage.

So not everyone gets a "big stage". What is wrong with working a decent job, doing it well and providing for your family? I know lots of people that work "factory" jobs - or did before they moved a lot of factories out of the area - and people were fine with it. Many of them today have retrained and are in other fields - making ends meet and going on with their lives.

No one stops people from living a decent life (with hope and opportunity to have more than just "decent") except themselves.

Oberon 11-18-14 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 2262210)
So not everyone gets a "big stage". What is wrong with working a decent job, doing it well and providing for your family? I know lots of people that work "factory" jobs - or did before they moved a lot of factories out of the area - and people were fine with it. Many of them today have retrained and are in other fields - making ends meet and going on with their lives.

No one stops people from living a decent life (with hope and opportunity to have more than just "decent") except themselves.

Agreed, but who cares for the factory workers? How much say do they have in congress compared to the CEO lobbyists?

In a system where money makes laws and buys votes, what do the people without the money to spend on that do? :hmmm:

Armistead 11-18-14 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 2262210)
So not everyone gets a "big stage". What is wrong with working a decent job, doing it well and providing for your family? I know lots of people that work "factory" jobs - or did before they moved a lot of factories out of the area - and people were fine with it. Many of them today have retrained and are in other fields - making ends meet and going on with their lives.

No one stops people from living a decent life (with hope and opportunity to have more than just "decent") except themselves.

Even in our small town they're 100's of jobs that need filling, lower paid, but enough two people working them could provide a decent life for family and kids...Because we are a poor county, we have masses on govt programs. If you go to Walmart you'll find one after the other paying with food stamp cards, black and white.

The big problem is the destruction of the black family. Even in the 60's the majority of black families were poorer, but they stayed together, worked, raised kids, etc.. If you rely on govt. all your life you'll never buy a house, start a business, etc.. We need to change these welfare programs to where they support families that stay together, not reward remaining single and every extra kid is more govt. money.


Wish they could let blacks rule and run their own neighborhoods. As stated, they often have the vote to do so, but don't. Still, few blacks want to be cops in these inner city ghettos. As long as these remain warzones, cops that work them will become soldiers in battle in their approach..

Rockstar 11-18-14 04:10 PM

Letting them rot is not my answer but simply me agreeing to what THEY (black, white, or sheet brindle brown) seem content to do.

Oberon 11-18-14 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2262233)
Letting them rot is not my answer but simply me agreeing to what THEY (black, white, or sheet brindle brown) seem content to do.

Perhaps they feel that there are no other options available to them?

Certainly in certain areas (and not just in the US, UK too) you are almost predestined to wind up in a gang or the victim of one (or both). Sometimes willingly, sometimes unwillingly.
Sure, some escape, others don't see that avenue, and others die before they can.

It's a problem that's always been around, but we've not had the means to communicate about it in the way that we can now, the internet and social media has irrecoverably changed the world, and we're going to see that change translate into action over time. People are not going to put up with the same things they used to, they have a voice now, one that doesn't rely on local media or government to be heard, it can be heard around the world and responded to be people around the world and unless the government wants to go authoritarian on its people there is nothing it can do but try to learn why the people are upset and address this...but that's something that our governments are going to learn the hard way over the next few decades.

August 11-18-14 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2262069)
I think though, before that elephant is dealt with though, the bigger elephant needs to be looked at, and not just swept to one side because "he was a thug" which is entirely possible, but there have been countless incidents where the man or woman involved was not a thug, and the ratio of coloured to white victims of these incidents is unfortunately skewed.
Once that's addressed, then perhaps the two communities involved in this stand-off will feel more at ease with trying to find compromises for their future.

But how can the issue be addressed if it uses flawed examples? The ratio you mention is valid only if the victims are equally innocent in the eyes of the public. Holding up the not so innocent like Brown and even Martin as examples of injustice cuts it's own argument off at the knees.

I'm not saying that better examples don't exist but it seems they are never the ones that make the news.

August 11-18-14 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2262072)
Let the process play out and accept it. Heck, we all knew it was a sham when OJ got off. It wasn't a right or wrong thing, but a black vs. white thing, but that's our court system, not perfect, but what we have.

OJ isn't really a good example though because he didn't get off because he was black, rather he got off because he was rich enough to hire the best lawyers to defend him. A poor black man in his shoes would have been convicted.

Armistead 11-18-14 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2262246)
OJ isn't really a good example though because he didn't get off because he was black, rather he got off because he was rich enough to hire the best lawyers to defend him. A poor black man in his shoes would have been convicted.


True, but he became a symbol of the black victim as the trial was made a black white race issue. As you remember, when he was found not guilty, black America stood up and cheered...It was sort of like pay back I think..

August 11-18-14 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2262249)
True, but he became a symbol of the black victim as the trial was made a black white race issue. As you remember, when he was found not guilty, black America stood up and cheered...It was sort of like pay back I think..


Exactly.

Reminds me of a scene from a very funny movie named "Undercover Brother" where Eddie Griffins character, upon finding out that there actually is someone called "The Man" who is keeping the black race down, starts listing injustices...

Undercover Brother: So the conspiracies we've believed for all these years are true? The NBA really did institute the three point shot to give white boys a chance?

Smart Brother: Absolutely!

Undercover Brother: Then the entertainment industry really *is* out to get Spike Lee?

Conspiracy Brother: Come on man! Even Cher's won an Oscar! Cher!

Undercover Brother: Then O.J. really didn't do it?

[Everyone kinds rolls their eyes and turns away mumbling]

:)

Point is when folks feel that their "side" has been done wrong they are more willing to accept the occasional wrong done by one of them. If I slap you five times nobody is going to object if you slap me back even though both of us are wrong to slap the other in the first place.

I don't want to speak for Black Americans but I suspect you're right in that the joy over OJ's acquittal had a lot more to do with a little retribution than belief in OJ's innocence.

Onkel Neal 11-18-14 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2262189)
This is an illusion Oberon I think. Look at Abramovich for example.

So with sufficient effort, talent and perseverance (and luck ofcourse) one could earn his place in society no matter where he comes from.

Agreed 1000%


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I mean for every one Abramovich there's thousands, if not millions of people who never get further than the working as a mechanic at the local factory stage.
And who says success has to be CEO level? What's wrong with working in the local factory? That kid could easily work his way into a career in many vocations and earn a steady living. Keyword: earn.

Wolferz 11-19-14 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2262279)
Agreed 1000%



And who says success has to be CEO level? What's wrong with working in the local factory? That kid could easily work his way into a career in many vocations and earn a steady living. Keyword: earn.

Many people achieve success but, most only make it to succ.:yep:

Onkel Neal 11-20-14 08:51 AM

This just in: Life is hard. :03:

Oberon 11-20-14 09:26 AM

As hard as we as a species make it. :03:

Onkel Neal 11-20-14 09:54 AM

Yeah? That solves everything. Let's make everything easy. That should be easy.


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