Hi folks, just thought I'd jump in with one more teeny suggestion.

Boycotting X1's product won't work. Per their initial comments, their belief is that the online community represents only 20% of potential sales. Their market is the 80% not on these fora. They can afford to lose this 20%- perhaps they can afford to lose 50% of sales; they put little to no money into creating the add-on, and disks are relatively inexpensive. They can still sell enough to make it a worthwhile venture.

The place to hit them is at the distribution level. I asked earlier who the US distributor is. Let's expand that, who are their worldwide distributors- find that and we have the key. I can't think of any reputable company that would willingly market a product which could ensnare them in a lawsuit- even if it's just the threat of one.

A simple letter to these distributors, explaining the origin of this add-on, the controversy, and the fact that legal action has been threatened (OSSI did threaten a lawsuit after all ;) ), and politely request them to not market this product. Who would be willing to risk negative publicity AND the possibility of being named a co-defendant for some two-bit software company of dubious moral character?

Forget X1, even if you stop them some reincarnation will spring up, smarter than before. Instead cut them off from revenue and send THAT example to the would-be OSSIs out there, silently monitoring these developments.

@Abraham- I like your copywrong of my registration of Beery's theftware. Maybe Beery will co-opt it for the next RUb. How 'bout it, Beery?

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I forgot: Please send greetings to your 'brother in law' if you meet him someday at his place!

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Perhaps if you had started out by selling only YOUR OWN work, rather than trying to make more money by including someone else's work, we would be wishing you best success and good luck right now, rather than wishing you good riddance.

Matrixgames in the US. Contact already established. BUT: Let UBI know the story. They'll care..most likely sooner than later.

I did that this morning. The word was that the US distributor was to be Matrix Games, so they got an email from me about this issue. They can be contacted at support@matrixgames.com

If it makes the game more realistic, it's in! :up:

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Terrapin.. I know in my heart that you are correct on this... BUT...
Reggie McNeil's post must be taken at face value.. that X1 is admitting improper methods when this project was first started and that they are willing to make it right and have received permission from the various modders who's work will be distributed on their (X1's) intended product.
You may know in your heart that something is still "fishy" about the deal.. but I suggest that these "anomalies" be uncovered through discourse rather than make attacks against Reggie.. only because it makes you look a bit intolerant.. and as I said.. I know you are correct in this.

From all I have been reading (until Reggie McNeils post), X1 as an entity just oozes that internet punk/scum/scam artist feeling.. and I would watch them with a very close eye.
If they are willing to make right what was obviously wrong more power to them! .. but they are gunna be watched most carefully.. so dont f%ck it up X1!

Now... my next question is:
I am originally from the "other" site.. you know.. Neals other board that is populated by dedicated and professional weirdos (yes..like Drebbel!).
We managed to scrape up enough cash to hire a programmer to make some serious changes to SHII (after Neal managed to get the source code for the program). Part of the stipulation from UBI was that we could not sell the "patch"... how is it that UBI is allowing the sale of Stealwolf using their registered name (SHIII) aside from all the other arguements about ownership of the mods? this seems kinda inconsistant to me.

Don't go away mad Reggie, just go away..... and take OSSI/Deathpig and X1 with you. :yep:

I will stand in any store here near me with Seewolves on the shelf and let those looking to buy it know what is going on, and why it's wrong for it to be for sale.

Free is free and free for sale is wrong, in anyone's book. :down:

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Good question....I can only speculate, but from all I know I'm assuming that the decision to allow Seescam was not made at the highest level of the UBI crporation...

happen to stumble across this ........

http://www.strangereports.com/police...ity=x1software


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Beery, Terrapin, as always you guys are on target. I asked for info on X1's distributor, I received it. Wonder what else I can ask for? Well, I would like some pics of the Juliet up there in RI...

Gentlemen, and The Avon Lady, the gauntlet is now thrown. For all of you who fly the "boycott X1" banners, I challenge you to notify their distributor at the address you have been supplied with; I will be doing the same, and will voice my concerns to UBI as you have recommended Beery.

As I will be laying out my grievance in my customarily thorough fashion :yep: , you can be assured it will be a lengthy letter :zzz: .

As my digital friend and sparring partner Wulfmann would say "put up or shut up" :lol:

"Once more unto the breach...or seal up the wall with our English dead!"

I sent a letter to PC Gamer Magazine about the whole situation.

Well well well. If I were leading this cross burning I would not have scarred away the victim so quickly. I would have engaged him, let him get comfortable, let him explain, say too much. If I was sure he was as I said.

If I was not sure I would have thrown him out as fast, well as fast as you did!!!

Troll??? Et to Jason? That is something you will feel bad about later. Anyone else want to throw a few insults. It is not that troublesome. Call me a thief too? No problem because I know the absolute truth about me and my biggest fault is believing I should speak what I believe is true and fair particularly when it involves such destructive forces to a , until now, very fun experience. Leonard is gone so you need someone and I will be here for your satisfaction

Glad I am not on the jury???? I bet you would want me there if you were on trial and the execution was to take place before the deliberation.

Say, does anyone here know anything about the U-Boat war ????? Does anyone know anything about the escort training? How was that handled? How did the CO act towards the people he was to train? Why was he so willing to allow himself to be such a jerk to them? Did they feel the same way later?

You don’t seem to get it. I am on your side by trying to play God’s advocate (In this case not the devil’s advocate because you all would be screaming crucify him and give us Barabas)

I find it almost funny sometime ago that I suggested adding clauses to downloads to protect the authors from past experience and was ignored. Figured you must know this community better than me. Guess neither of us was right about this community.

Name the person on any forum that has more vocally defended all from the bigot Deathping. Please, anyone. Come on now too politically correct to stand up and say the right thing pansies. Name that person. Cat cut your tongue?

I have never disagreed with the premise here, never. But, seeing on how many of you want to rename this sim Graf Spee at Montevideo, I was hoping a way could be found that would compromise a situation that would satisfy the rights of the modders and encourage the mod challenge at the same time and lay the ground rules for future like possibilities. Guess that is just to boring. Flame wars are much more exciting.

Well trying to offer a different view to allow you too better justify your actions was not in my personal interest. Thought it was in yours. It usually is just not at a cross burning. Light the match

Wulfmann

PS, No, I would not buy any mod. I have spent 3 years full time making them and giving them away. I would have even given them to X-1 or UBI if they wanted them. Just don’t see it as a big deal but I guess I am not at the level of you guys and maybe my stuff is not as worthy. Through a little more kindling on now!!! I am getting cold!

Wulfmann, you are correct.
"Let it be written- are you writing this?" (Coneheads) :P

Seriously though, when Deathpong (intentional misspelling) reared his ugly head, Wulfmann was one of the first and most vociferous in playing a digitally proverbial game of "Whack-a-mole" with it. His opinions may be contrary and some of his arguments may be unpalatable to a lot of people, but he has not shown himself to be an agent of X1, best friends with OSSI, working for "The MAN", or creating crop circles.

I'd like to stand up on his behalf. He is one of "us". Like his points of view or dislike them, but let us not behave ill towards him; remember, I also urged him to cease his rhetoric about Nazis and the KKK. Fair is fair.

Lest I come across as the forum nag, or annoy anyone by seeming like I have rights to limit what people say, I offer this defense- I aim for fairness and equality. My job deals with Justice, and equal treatment under the law is more than just an abstract concept. I guess it spills over into here sometimes. You all (with one or two exceptions *cough*ossianddeathping*cough*) have my utmost respect, and in many cases admiration.

My biggest concern is that they lied before what makes them different now?Oh they can say they aren't using the mods and they have their own sky mod(why do I feel this is going ot look EXACTLY the same)and will only use mods they have permisison to use.I have been talking to every store and small shop I can to get them NOT to stock this.I not sure if maybe ALL thier past releases haven't been stolen work.makes you wonder...

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From what I have been told by some of these modders, you have been asking them for permission just a day or two ago. Which means you didn't have permission going in, nor did you consider it important.


Yes, but are you pressing them for the full version?

I know I'm relatively new here but it seems to me that this could be resolved fairly quickly and easily given a little initiative and goodwill from both sides.

Reggie claims that there are 7 mods in his add-on and that he's got permission from all the creators. If this is the case, why not have someone from X-1 come on this thread and in a respectful, classy manner (yeah, that might be a stretch, I know) and list the mods and maybe copies or links to copies of the permissions they have received from the respective creators.

Maybe someone from X-1 could even man up and apologize, because even if it was an inadvertent mistake, and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here, they still screwed the pooch.

THEN, someone from the anti-X-1 side (and I'm ambivalent, but the case against X-1 seems pretty strong) can contact these modders for confirmation that X-1 has, indeed, received their permission to use their mods in a commercial add-on.

EVEN IF X-1 did this belatedly, this would at least show that they are attempting to remove their heads from their fourth points of contact and rectify the situation somewhat. At THAT point, maybe the anti-X-1 crowd can consider it water under the bridge and drive on.

Maybe then we can go back to talking about torpedoing merchies rather than each other.

If X1 provide the data regarding the seven permissions, I'll be glad to contact all the mod-makers involved and report back with their responses. If everything is above board, I'll certainly be happy to report that.

However, I know for sure that at least one of those seven people has not given permission for his mod to be used. Without getting into specifics, I know because he told me directly this very morning.

Gunfighter. Sorry to inform you they have already removed the mods that they do not have permision. They have tried to explain while the mob was crying for blood. And, IMO, X-1 should have been forthright quicker, but in the franzy going on here they were all but thrown out, read the last couple pages. Anyone that did not tow the mob mentality has been been demeaned, read the post.
In fairness the modders, again, IMO had every right to be upset. But, when X-1 bowed to the pressure, as they should have, then that was not good enough either as now they were only doing it because they were forced to. In the end there was no way to stop the angry mob.
The mob wanted blood, they wanted to burn down Castle Frankenstein. Only problem was when they went to light the fire they neglected to see everyone was covered in gasoline. Every one that loves SH3
The effect is all are too blame, all!!!!, including me, no one is right, and no one has or will benefit. Whether a fist fight, a gun fight or a flame fight, everyone loses.

Write that down!

Are you writing?

Wulfmann

Unfortunately, your characterization of X1 bowing to the pressure is not wholly accurate. I know of at least one of the mod-makers involved whose efforts to stop X1 using a mod he has not authorized were still being ignored as of 2 O'clock this morning. If X1 had completely backed off from their intention to use non-authorized mods, then you would have a point, but as far as I'm aware that still isn't the case. Sure, they say they aren't using non-authorized mods, but the reality of the situation is that they get permission for one thing, and then they push well beyond the edge of the envelope. Perhaps you should ask the mod-makers directly. You will soon learn that there's a big gap between what the X1 guys say they are doing and what they are actually doing.

I, for one, look forward to full disclosure.

I think I will be making one of my own, soon.

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