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Catfish 09-18-14 03:17 AM

"Vote disorder reports 'exaggerated' "

50 no, 45 yes, 6 don't know = 101 percent

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides

But hey what's a percent here and there :rotfl2:
the GCHQ is sure working overtime to squelch out the pre-printed ballots :O:

Herr-Berbunch 09-18-14 09:41 AM

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2069846/th...HART-570.jpg?6

Dread Knot 09-18-14 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 2244263)


Wow, Simply wow. :rotfl2:

The Skye Boat Song makes me mist up. I guess that makes me a YES vote and a closet Stuart. :D

Oberon 09-18-14 10:03 AM

God Save the Queen doesn't make me cry, it makes me fall asleep... :haha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nnnM-__JQ

nikimcbee 09-18-14 10:30 AM

Well Jim, if you become a refugee, you can always live with me.:up:

Jimbuna 09-18-14 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 2244283)
Well Jim, if you become a refugee, you can always live with me.:up:

We'll know soon enough, the result is due tomorrow at breakfast time....I have the supply of bricks and cement on order for the remedial work to Hadrians Wall.

MGR1 09-18-14 11:47 AM

Now for a brief historical interlude......

It appears devolution for Scotland isn't exactly new:

"We have a right, with all our separate national characteristics, to manage our own affairs in our own way."
This might sound like a line from Yes Scotland's latest campaign leaflet, but it was actually said over a century ago.
In 1913, William Cowan presented a successful Scottish home rule bill to Westminster, but the outbreak of World War One prevented the creation of a strong Scottish parliament which could have completely changed Scotland's modern history.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29048884


http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...-scotland-bill

WW1 also stopped Irish Home Rule as well, so it would make an interesting "What-If" scenario to see how the UK turned out.:hmmm:

Going back to the real world, why didn't Gordon Brown get off his backside earlier:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-brown-4275811

The full speech (13mins):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J39bBV7CBJk

I'm no Labour supporter, but "Son of the Manse" does give a good sermon when he's on form!:up:

Love him or loath him, he's still popular in Scotland. Perhaps he should give Holyrood a try, I remember seeing something on the BBC website indicating he's thinking about it. If Salmond's still there, I'd pay good money to see those two debating each other! They do say that it takes a big man to keep a big man in line!:yeah:

Mike.

Jimbuna 09-18-14 12:21 PM

Just beware of voting yes, Scotland.

Once the yanks know you have oil and Muslims and you're not part of England anymore...

August 09-18-14 02:46 PM

How much oil will independant Scotland end up with when the Shetlands declare their independance from Scotland?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/as-sc...ate-1410967801

Quote:

SHETLAND ISLANDS, Scotland—People on this remote North Sea archipelago are following the Scottish independence campaign as intently as the rest of the U.K. Some even want another vote soon after—on their own independence from Scotland.
Earlier this year a group of islanders petitioned the Scottish parliament for more referendums after Thursday's vote on Scottish independence—a request that was denied.
But that hasn't silenced the debate over whether Shetland, along with the neighboring Orkney islands and the Outer Hebrides, should break away from Scotland, either to become independent on their own or to remain in the U.K.

Oberon 09-18-14 02:56 PM

Meanwhile the Norwegian navy has put to sea on 'manoeuvres'... :O: :haha:

Rockstar 09-18-14 02:57 PM

http://www.dominoesrules.org/wp-cont...oes-rules8.jpg

Rockstar 09-18-14 03:10 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...could-be-next/

Quote:

Frankly, we've just scratched the surface. Here are some of the other independence movements in Europe:

Wales, Cornwall (The United Kingdom), Galicia, Aragon (Spain), Silesia (Poland), Frisia (Netherlands, Germany), Sardinia (Italy), Brittany, Occitania, Alsace, Savoy (France), and Aaland (Finland)
USA USA USA! Secession is not even addressed in our constitution. We're like the Hotel California "We are programmed to receive. You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave" :D

Skybird 09-18-14 03:12 PM

A split between the two seems to hurt England more than Scotland. england seems to suck out more of Scotland than the other way around. At least that is what I read from the info and numbers they have repeatedly given in German media by now. Oil maybe is not even the nmost important singfle faxctor, it makes up for not even half as much than for example the Scottish (not complete British) banking sector . The financial market of Scotland alone is around 25% of the Scottish GDP, and another 25% is state employment and services. The oil - is only around 12%, even tourism seems to add more to the GDP than the oil sector.

That size does not necessarily deicde fall or rise in the globalised eocnomy, shows a look at the countries with the highest per head economic perfomance, as poublished today in Die Welt:

http://img.welt.de/img/finanzen/crop...Aufm-Kopie.jpg

http://img.welt.de/img/finanzen/crop...fm-Kopie-2.jpg


Smaller Slovakia is able to catch up with bigger Czech Republic's per head income, after they split:
http://img.welt.de/img/finanzen/crop...en-aw-Aufm.jpg


Also, it would be a boot kick into the faces of the EUrocrats at Brussel, which I would like for its own purpose, of course.

What makes me laughing is the attempt to scare the Scots by saying that if they have to leave the pound, they could not get the Euro without first qualifying for its criterions. The history of the Euro is a history of broken treaties and unfulfilled criterions for bringing mebers in and avoidiung said criterions, and softening them up. what has been common praxis now should no longer be allowed for the unobedient Scots that maybe deny to know their palce and fall in lione with what the EU regime demands of them? Same for the comments by some analysts claiming that Scotland could not bring out its own currency, because it would need to cover that with real assets and material values. But the dollar printing in Washington, the Euro printing in Europe is done without covering the increase of money by any material wealth and value since years. Thats why we call it inflation and devaluing of money. What is allowed for the FED and what is allowed for the ECB - should not be allowed for Scotland? Whether it would be wise if Scotland does like that, is something different, I just point at the double standards.

If wise policies are run and the political caste is kept on a very short line by the Scottish people, I think Scotland has what it takes to go alone. And maybe showing England in some areas how to do things even better.

But the Eu will be Scotlands enemy in the coming years, so much is clear. Punishment for the disobedient child that refused to do as demanded - to teach other separatist movements an exemplary lesson. Katalonia, Baskenland, Corsica, Flanders, Venice, South Tirol, Bavaria... their numbers are increasing. This sanctionizing could sink Scotland maybe even if Scotland would have the power and opportunity to run alone, and to run better.

What the worst possible outcome is? A hairwidth's result, and it seems that is what they will get. Hope it does not rip Scotland into two pieces, no matter which camp will have won in the end.

Skybird 09-18-14 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2244378)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...could-be-next/



USA USA USA! Secession is not even addressed in our constitution. We're like the Hotel California "We are programmed to receive. You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave" :D

Frisia? I'm German, but I never heard of that one. Bavaria, yes, but Frisia...

Mr Quatro 09-18-14 03:27 PM

Just 30 minutes till the poles close only problem is both sides will drink too much tonight in celebration or in defeat :haha:


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