You do realize UBI is going to include the improvements in future work, right.
Will you promise to make the same stance and call them thieves, UBI=Thieves. Or, will you be a hypocrite and only pick on the little companies

I am not saying those affected should not hold a grudge. As a travel writer I would often joke; "Trust me, I'm a white man". Why, because any person of color needs proof of my intent. (One native Alaskan didn’t get the joke and screamed “No no, that was when all the trouble started!!!�)
X-1 by its actions must act the same. It must earn people’s trust by its future actions
But, IMO you are saying there is no action that can be satisfactory. I have not heard concrete resolution suggestions just flaming.
I do not lame you on this. I just believe you have no realistic end demand
You don't want them to included mods they have permission to use in a CD that would be beneficial to those that buy it. You are either being selfish or insisting people be on your level or should not have the benefit of these improvements in spite of the fact they can be added to the product and not pay anymore than what they already are paying.

I offered to help UBI regarding historical accuracy. They ignored me. They have a serious amount of blatantly wrong things regarding this but even for free would not be bothered to correct them. Real U-boat has also expressed no interest in these historical corrections.
It is amusing you feel you are protecting the non modders by insisting they, in effect not improve their SH3 unless they join in learning to do something they want no part of. You have decided these majority (Prove me wrong with actual numbers) of simmers must do as you or not get these mods, that because of permission, they can get.

Then as I stand in the middle (I will do a 180 and take the same stance with X-1 as I feel I am being helpful to the modders by allowing them to consider a different point of view) and when I don’t tow the party line am accused of getting personal benefit over standing with the party. Those cheap shots expose the weakness of your position and mean you either have not read my position or are calling me a liar. You must now make a statement to me. Are you ignorant or am I in your opinion a liar. It is one or the other (Note; ignorance is a lack of knowledge something I admit to everyday and certainly anytime I ask for someone’s help here)

Let me remind all here. UBI’s SH3 has two sticky post at the top of their forum dedicated to the X-1 add-on.
No one dares comment on that.
Why? Are you getting free DVDs??? LOL

Wulfmann

But you do realize that Ubi has originally created the game, and they have access to the source code and can give much more extensive proprietary improvements than X1.

X1, on the other hand, took no part in SHIII's development at any point, nor is there any assurance that whatever money goes to them goes towards supporting SHIII. If anything, it's the opposite. :hmm:

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I really don't know who the "you" is you're addressing in your posting.
Not me, I guess, but who? Beery? Nico71? Jace11? Or the whole community?

Again, nobody has to demand anything from X 1. X 1 acted in an unethical way to say the least, and for many of us that was it, For others it was OSSI's or Deathping's behaviour on this forum.
Any change of mind of X 1 - if it really materialises - is only brought on by pressure from the communityIf Ubisoft would act like X 1 I would be mad as hell at them. But I bet they would never do that and their position is different. They value the community more than many of us realise!
Don't worry, for me it's the principle and respect that counts, not the size of the perpetrator...

How would you stop them? Foul language?

The most effective attack is to post the full details of these lunatics, including the full quote attributions which we have of these individuals. (OSSI's porn link in the forum, if it hasn't been deleted, ought to be plenty even.) It ought to plainly demonstrate how two-faced X1 is.

Quick buck scamsters should be given no quarter.

Period.

Seriously, troll someplace else.

Yawn. You always find a way to bring that nonsense up. Take that to the modders forum.

After reading twelve pages of posts on this I can only say this. In the 20 GB of mods I have on my backup hard drive, most of them have a little read me file that says " You don't have permission to sell this mod without the authors consent. If you use my mod in yours give me credit for it." People that don't understand this are crapping on the whole moddling community.

It is Ubisoft's product. They own the copyright on it, so they have the right to make improvements, and they would certainly have the mod community's support if they decided to use a mod that we made. Anyway, this is not a question of a bunch of people trying to take down a poor, innocent 'mom and pop' business. This is a situation where a 'mom and pop' business has unscrupulously tried to sell freeware mods for a profit, without the authors' permission. I don't see how you can claim 'the middle ground' when you are failing to see how X1 has certainly done wrong already. X1 even admits this. Taking their side when they admit they did wrong is not 'taking the middle ground'. It is very far from the middle ground.

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Wulfmann is not "taking their side", Beery, but constantly demanding our understanding for X 1 while stating he's a neutral.
I remember he once (probably a few hour's ago) wrote that he loves to discuss with his friends, so I take it we all are his friends and he's just provoking us and having a good time doing it.
:D
Or he is a shrewd trial lawyer, keeping us off balance...
;)
And we are taking all this, hook, line and sinker, so to speak.
:rotfl:
The discussion is hardly serious anymore and is getting quite harmless...

You stop them by getting Ubisoft on the side of the SH3 community.

These forum posts are not going to be here for long, and we're all eventually going to move on to other things, but there will be mod-makers who will have no knowledge of this issue, and all they will see will be Ail's mods, and CCIP's mods, Irishred's mods, and perhaps my mods, and stuff that was made possible thanks to Timetraveller, and other freeware mods in the Seewolfe add-on, all covered by X1's copyright notice. You and I won't be there to say "Hey guys, it's no problem, you can use most of the Seewolfe stuff in your own mods because they don't own the copyright on that stuff". There will be nothing except X1's blanket copyright notice, no one will know the facts about it, and it won't matter that X1's copyright notice is bull$hit.

The only people who have any chance of stopping the X1 guys are working at Ubisoft.

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" X1 is claiming that they have permission to sell these mods, but they do not."

Huh? We have permission to use every mod included.. which there are a grand total of seven. The rest of the content is proprietary.

In two of those cases.. Contact Map Mod and Radiolog, we are using only limited versions. If users want the full deal, they can find it here.

It would have been a better product with more mods, which would have given better visibility to the great simulation that SH3 is.. but its our fault for not observing protocol.

The last thing anyone would want to see is mods become political copyright footballs, limiting the growth of the community and the hobby we all enjoy. Ok, flame away.

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As I understand it, some of the authors of these mods only gave permission to use them in a freeware add-on. That is not the same as getting a blanket 'permission for all use'. In these cases, you do not have permission to put those mods in Seewolfe. In fact you are specifically denied permission for such use.

@Wulfmann,

If, and I do mean a big IF X1 somehow received all the luck in the world and legally started selling these mod disc WOULD you personally buy one ???????

The address of the German UBI PR guy, Mr. Karsten Lehmann is

KLehmann@ubisoft.de

Knowing some details I learned to know today from a so-called '3rd party informant', confirmed later by someone important (I'd like to tell you more but I really cannot speak en detail about it at this point of time) I'd like to state again that 'seewolves' will be history soon.

But this shouldn't make us stop shouting out and writing to Ubi, explaining things. The bottom line seems very clear to me: Each sold copy of 'seewolves' damages directly Ubi's future sales. The decision makers in France are watching sales numbers closely, and if they are aware what a commercial success of X1's could mean, we've won.


Ah...Reggie...nah, I'd like to call you Mister Len Hjalmarson: I could easily publish things you've done in the last, let's say, 6 years....do you really want to force me to do that by NOT refraining from posting BS?

Thanks for your understanding!

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Ok, I tried to communicate here. Obviously you guys want to believe what you want to believe. Bye bye.

Re: etc
 

Thank you!

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You should not say that, terrapin.
He is Reggie McNeal on this forum, untill he reveales his real name. Those are the rules of behaviour.
And don't threaten somebody to publish something, unless..
I understand your anger, but there are better ways to deal with it than this kind of personal attack or threat against a member of this forum who has said nothing wrong here... I guess.
Don't get carried away.

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No way I'm carried away...the post you're referring to had the desired effect. :) IF Mr. H wouldn't be afraid of some things seeing tthe sunlight, he would not have reacted the way he has.

btw. My name is Martin P. Gerner, nice to meet you - I enjoyed reading your posts so far! (no irony here!)

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So the modders who have agreed to let you put their mod on the Seewolves disc which you are selling, are they going to receive any of the profit?

I am guessing here but most modders I have met don't make them for money.

Ho hum...what a cluster****.

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Too little too late. You should have tried communicating in the form of asking permission for the use of mods first. But you didn't. Good bye.

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*sniff* Farewell!