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MONOLITH 07-26-05 05:50 PM

Here, Terrapin, just for you.....

All of the following is strictly from this thread, and this conversation only.

Quoted items are from THIS thread.



The only person who seems to have a handle on the copyright concept is XabbaRus....

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus
Like I said earlier there is the EULA to consider concerning mods.
You mod a game and if it is using some of the original games coding then you are obliged not to sell it.


As for this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlbcke
This is a tempest in a teapot. All these mods were published on the web without copyright restriction thus making them legally available for anyone to use as they choose including for profit.

Downloadable for private use, yes. "For Profit" is the part that's not allowed. UNLESS there is an agreement with Ubisoft to do so.


This next quote is the one of real interest....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stymnus
Those in copyright law who have been consulted on this have said the modders have a lot of legs (collectively) to stand on here.

I believe it is completely unfair to give the hard working modders of the gaming world false information/hopes.

So, instead of just 'claiming it' let's please see some actual legal documentation, state or federal stautues, anything at all to demonstrate that a modder can sue for use of his mod that UBISOFT retains control of in the first place.

I would think everyone would be interested in seeing that.

And I'll add, stop using claims of legal capability in this matter as a way to boost your popularity. These modders should be told the truth. They will not be able to sue for anything, only UBISOFT would.

Razman23 07-26-05 06:07 PM

Dammit! They also stoled my VII skin!!!!

terrapin 07-26-05 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MONOLITH
Here, Terrapin, just for you.....

All of the following is strictly from this thread, and this conversation only.

Quoted items are from THIS thread.



The only person who seems to have a handle on the copyright concept is XabbaRus....

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus
Like I said earlier there is the EULA to consider concerning mods.
You mod a game and if it is using some of the original games coding then you are obliged not to sell it.


As for this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlbcke
This is a tempest in a teapot. All these mods were published on the web without copyright restriction thus making them legally available for anyone to use as they choose including for profit.

Downloadable for private use, yes. "For Profit" is the part that's not allowed. UNLESS there is an agreement with Ubisoft to do so.


This next quote is the one of real interest....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stymnus
Those in copyright law who have been consulted on this have said the modders have a lot of legs (collectively) to stand on here.

I believe it is completely unfair to give the hard working modders of the gaming world false information/hopes.

So, instead of just 'claiming it' let's please see some actual legal documentation, state or federal stautues, anything at all to demonstrate that a modder can sue for use of his mod that UBISOFT retains control of in the first place.

I would think everyone would be interested in seeing that.

And I'll add, stop using claims of legal capability in this matter as a way to boost your popularity. These modders should be told the truth. They will not be able to sue for anything, only UBISOFT would.

Yes.

MONOLITH 07-26-05 06:14 PM

And by the way, I did recieve a copy of the european version of the EULA from an associate of mine, a level designer that works for Ubi.

It contains the same clauses referring to modding rights as the US version.

terrapin 07-26-05 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MONOLITH
And by the way, I did recieve a copy of the european version of the EULA from an associate of mine, a level designer that works for Ubi.

It contains the same clauses referring to modding rights as the US version.


Rgr.

Nico71 07-26-05 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MONOLITH
And by the way, I did recieve a copy of the european version of the EULA from an associate of mine, a level designer that works for Ubi.

It contains the same clauses referring to modding rights as the US version.

And I told you that the EULA can't be enforced here!

My oh my! :damn:

terrapin 07-26-05 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nico71
Quote:

Originally Posted by MONOLITH
And by the way, I did recieve a copy of the european version of the EULA from an associate of mine, a level designer that works for Ubi.

It contains the same clauses referring to modding rights as the US version.

And I told you that the EULA can't be enforced here!

My oh my! :damn:


Hey Nico, he's completely right....
:huh: :)

Nico71 07-26-05 06:19 PM

Yeah, he is! :roll:

terrapin 07-26-05 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nico71
Yeah, he is! :roll:

:rotfl:

jasonb885 07-26-05 06:25 PM

So who here is taking up the gauntlet of legal recourse then?

I thought not.

:huh:

MONOLITH 07-26-05 06:32 PM

Why the immaturity Terrapin?

I'll let your posts speak for themselves.

And hopefully my posts, contrasted against your childish responses, will open some eyes.


To all the Modders that had their work stolen, I sympathize. Been there, done that.

If any of you would like to see my actual documentation from my own battles with UBISOFT and their legal department, feel free to email me at MONOCORP@Comcast.net. I'll help anyway I can.

Or, you can just keep looking at this other sillyness.

terrapin 07-26-05 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MONOLITH
Why the immaturity Terrapin?

I'll let your posts speak for themselves.

And hopefully my posts, contrasted against your childish responses, will open some eyes.


To all the Modders that had their work stolen, I sympathize. Been there, done that.

If any of you would like to see my actual documentation from my own battles with UBISOFT and their legal department, feel free to email me at MONOCORP@Comcast.net. I'll help anyway I can.

Or, you can just keep looking at this other sillyness.


Yes. :)

Wulfmann 07-26-05 06:35 PM

Rather than just post a link that can be ignored by those that don't wish to read this I will post the link and copy it. Can those on the below list please state if they have/have not given their permission?
If they are using only mods by permission and not others what will your responses be?????????? Will those so vocaly condeming scurry as I predicted or stand up now? I will not name or refer to any statement as it is not my intention to make anyone feel bad. But, this shuld be a sign to start getting over this and removing the hate banners, IMO
I am still on no one's side here and I feet very lonely being such!!!!
Wulfmann

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...9021027043/p/3


Posted Tue July 26 2005 15:23
Who is this Deathping? He does not represent CombatPlanes or X1. I've done some work for CP on the expansion, primarily in testing. I talked to Leonard this morning and he says the optional mods have been removed, and they now have permission for all others included. They had to remove Serg's Type7 DD (he had ok'ed use in World Mod but took exception to commercial release). Here are the permissions they now have..

Soundmod by Incognito Soundworks with additional work by NDigital
Hi-res subs by Sean Gilleran
U-boat Interior by Ship Hunter
DD Fix by Jungman
Radiolog by Irishred
Resupply by SANSAL
Contact Mod by Fletcher

They added their own version of a skymod as well as new blackout views for periscope and UZO.


Posted Tue July 26 2005 15:24
Oh.. and Nico's cities were removed, and his escorts deleted and replaced with new ones..

terrapin 07-26-05 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wulfmann
Rather than just post a link that can be ignored by those that don't wish to read this I will post the link and copy it. Can those on the below list please state if they have/have not given their permission?
If they are using only mods by permission and not others what will your responses be?????????? Will those so vocaly condeming scurry as I predicted or stand up now? I will not name or refer to any statement as it is not my intention to make anyone feel bad. But, this shuld be a sign to start getting over this and removing the hate banners, IMO
I am still on no one's side here and I feet very lonely being such!!!!
Wulfmann

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...9021027043/p/3


Posted Tue July 26 2005 15:23
Who is this Deathping? He does not represent CombatPlanes or X1. I've done some work for CP on the expansion, primarily in testing. I talked to Leonard this morning and he says the optional mods have been removed, and they now have permission for all others included. They had to remove Serg's Type7 DD (he had ok'ed use in World Mod but took exception to commercial release). Here are the permissions they now have..

Soundmod by Incognito Soundworks with additional work by NDigital
Hi-res subs by Sean Gilleran
U-boat Interior by Ship Hunter
DD Fix by Jungman
Radiolog by Irishred
Resupply by SANSAL
Contact Mod by Fletcher

They added their own version of a skymod as well as new blackout views for periscope and UZO.


Posted Tue July 26 2005 15:24
Oh.. and Nico's cities were removed, and his escorts deleted and replaced with new ones..


Saw that post, too...


IF all said in this post turns out to be true, it's a proof that shouting out has it's effects.

The 'seawolves' build as of 07/24 is meanwhile circulating heavily on the net, and inthere there's proof enough what X1's initial intentions/actions were.

Nico71 07-26-05 06:42 PM

Wulfman! They asked for permission AFTER the addon was leaked! Not BEFORE! At this time they claimed that it is gold already (a lie, BTW). So they had a gold version but no permissions! At least not mine.


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