SUBSIM Radio Room Forums - The Scottish Independence thread

If I could jump into a time machine set for next Friday I would, both sides are using threats blackmail lies you name it they are doing it. Both sides are acting like children well I say children I yet to see a different word for what they are getting up too. And I sick of these bloody polls as well, up and down like whores draws....

The media in this country just love ramming it down your gullet every second of the day. I only listen to the radio news which is short and I'm already bored with that. If I watched TV news my TV would have been out the window a long time ago.

Rant over for now....

Must agree...but also admit I can't resist channel hopping between BBC and Sky News every evening.

Trevally.

09-15-14 02:37 PM

Economic case for Scottish independence

An interesting view http://reportingthereferendum.blogsp...ependence.html

Jimbuna

09-15-14 05:01 PM

Go for it....no currency, no automatic right to NATO membership or the nuclear acceptance that goes with it, no automatic acceptance to the EU, oil and gas demand at an all-time low for three years.

Good luck....the Scottish population is worth more than that.

Don't forget to post here in a year or two.

Von Tonner

09-16-14 06:17 AM

A writer here in SA wrote this very witty intro to his piece on the up coming vote. His article is well worth a read.

"In thinking about this upcoming Scottish independence vote, it is pretty ironic that the archetypical British secret agent was portrayed on film by an ardent Scottish nationalist – Sean Connery, while Scotland’s great hero of the 13th century, William Wallace, was played by a misanthropic Aussie actor, Mel Gibson. These are just some of the curious ironies of the impending independence referendum-taking place in Scotland on Thursday."

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/artic.../#.VBgZcZSSzSs

Dread Knot

09-16-14 08:21 AM

Two days to go...until I find out if I need to buy a new atlas.

But then considering that its copyright date is 1977 and it still has both the Soviet Union and the Central African Empire among other outdated nations on its pages, maybe I need an upgrade anyway. :-?

Jimbuna

09-16-14 09:43 AM

After seeing Cameron make a fool of himself yesterday I suspect a growing number of the English are now hoping for a YES vote.

Catfish

09-16-14 10:28 AM

A 51 to 49 percent "decision" is not the right way to decide about this .. :hmmm:

Mr Quatro

09-16-14 11:03 AM

Win or lose this will be the last time this matter should come up.

The class system in the UK extends to poor people in Scotland, right?

How can the poor people of Scotland be assured of continuing to get a welfare check or at the least have to qualify all over again?

The rich will have to pay more taxes in Scotland to support the poor ... :yep:

Herr-Berbunch

09-16-14 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2243681)

A 51 to 49 percent "decision" is not the right way to decide about this .. :hmmm:

Here's a post of mine on a closed FB group from 5 hours ago :arrgh!:

Quote:

Yes/no being roughly 50/50 (depending on which poll on which day) is absolutely no basis for a such a huge decision - in most other countries in the world such a close margin would be an invite to civil war.

I'm beginning to think the Yes voters should have their own plot of land somewhere innoculous... Eastern end of the Med shall we say... What trouble could come from that?

Betonov

09-16-14 01:51 PM

Here's Slovenia's referendum in 1990

Quote:

On 26 December the results of the referendum were officially proclaimed by France Bučar in the Assembly. 88.5% of all electors (94.8% of those participating) had voted in favour of independence, therefore exceeding the threshold. 4.0% had voted against independence, while 0.9% had cast invalid ballots, and 0.1% had returned their ballots unused. 6.5% of electors did not participate in the elections.

The same percentage today thinks the entire undertaking was a mistake :doh:

THIS is a nation wanting independence, 50/50 is politics playing on the sentiments if citizens.

MGR1	09-16-14 02:17 PM

Yep, 49-51 (or a Quebec 1995 result) is too close. Something like this should have been set at a minimum threshold of two thirds.:hmmm:

Unfortunately, there are still strong memories of the result of the 1979 referendum, a Yes but below a set threshold:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottis...ferendum,_1979

"The result was a narrow majority in favour of devolution. However, Parliament had set a condition that 40% of the registered electorate should vote "Yes" in order to make it valid. The amendment to the Bill which set this condition was moved by George Cunningham, the Scottish-born Labour MP for Islington South and Finsbury. Thus, despite a turnout of over 60%, devolution was not enacted since less than 40% of electorate voted yes. The Scotland Act 1978 was repealed in March 1979 by a vote of 301-206 in the UK House of Commons."

Mike.:hmmm:

Oberon

09-17-14 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GalaKev (Post 2243829)

One thing I think we will have like 80-90% turnout on Thursday.

That'll be the biggest turnout for any voting process in the United Kingdom for the past thirty years... :doh:

Herr-Berbunch

09-17-14 01:45 AM

A Yes vote isn't a vote for independence, it's to start negotiations. That'll be the toughest part for all concerned and a worrying time for those who decided at the last minute.

Skybird

09-17-14 05:36 AM

Tomorrow there's going to be party anyway, right? :D The only question is will the beer glass be half full or half empty?

:O:

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