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gap 02-16-13 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2010877)
Yes, but I immediately explained why it happened..

It was wolfpack and the closest boat already been in the "world's limit" circle (40km)

Ah okay, I had overlooked this detail :up:

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2010877)
Perhaps this is a stock bug.. I didn't check it..

Worth checking it, before we start racking our brains on it! :O:

volodya61 02-16-13 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2010875)
wait, I will create a configurable spreadsheet for calculating smooth range curves.

OK.. will wait..

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2010875)
P.S: was the hydro-operator sweep speed slower at low depth and progressively increasing at higher depths?

at a distance of 7-8 km to the target doesn't matter sweep speed.. I mean 30s or 45s.. this is not a dogfight.. just the operator hears the target for 200-300 meters later..

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2010875)
Maybe we should decrease accordingly ProbInsideArc settings... what do you think? :hmm2:

I think it's possible..

THE_MASK 02-16-13 05:49 PM

How does the hydro follow target options in TDW options editor affect things ? I dont know what any of it does !

Trevally. 02-16-13 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2010875)
wait, I will create a configurable spreadsheet for calculating smooth range curves.

:Kaleun_Salivating:

:D

volodya61 02-16-13 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2010880)
Worth checking it, before we start racking our brains on it! :O:

But how? :D
full stock and your missions? I hate stock :timeout:

Okay.. I will check it later.. not now :)

gap 02-16-13 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2010886)
at a distance of 7-8 km to the target doesn't matter sweep speed.. I mean 30s or 45s.. this is not a dogfight.. just the operator hears the target for 200-300 meters later..

Yes, in this case it is more a visual feature than anything else. Nonetheless keeping an eye on sweep speeds during testings, can be a quick method for spotting at the first glance which settings are being applied. Moreover this setting is of greater importance for radars and radar warning receivers, that we should take care of as well ;)

gap 02-16-13 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2010890)
But how? :D
full stock and your missions? I hate stock :timeout:

Okay.. I will check it later.. not now :)

no need to test it in stock game. Doing it with NewUIs/IRAI settings would be enough, I think :up:

gap 02-16-13 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sober (Post 2010887)
How does the hydro follow target options in TDW options editor affect things ? I dont know what any of it does !

Sober, you can use this command for following a specific target, instead of the nearest target. There are two selection methods: follow the current scope target (target must be locked), and follow the target closer to the current hydrophone bearing :yep:

P.S: IIRC correctly, intervals (in degrees or in seconds) between two consecutive bearing logs are configurable, and you cal also set the angular range from current hydrophone bearing, within which the operator will look for a close target when requested to. There are probably other options that I don't remember right now. What option don't you understand exactly?

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Originally Posted by Trevally. (Post 2010889)
:Kaleun_Salivating:

:D

http://mydealflow.com/wp-content/upl...love-excel.png :D

volodya61 02-16-13 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2010890)
But how? :D
full stock and your missions? I hate stock :timeout:

Okay.. I will check it later.. not now :)

I have checked it.. in full stock game.. :D
unfortunately it's one more stock bug..

PS: just now noticed where you placed the mission.. is this for me? not far from home? :har:

gap 02-16-13 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2010939)
I have checked it.. in full stock game.. :D
unfortunately it's one more stock bug..

I suspected it. :-?

It explains why so many players complained about the dumb operator... not only Benno was dumb before TDW patch: we got bionic ears :yep:

Bad news, but great Volodya :up:


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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2010939)
PS: just now noticed where you placed the mission.. is this for me? not far from home? :har:

:D

at last you have spotted it :haha:

I wanted to place it in Azov Sea, but then I realized that I din't have enough space and depth for long range contacts...

volodya61 02-16-13 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2010945)
at last you have spotted it :haha:

I wanted to place it in Azov Sea, but then I realized that I din't have enough space and depth for long range contacts...

IIRC the maximum depth of Azov Sea is 37 meters in the middle of the fairway.. the fairway is not natural.. was made/digged.. :D

gap 02-16-13 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2010949)
IIRC the maximum depth of Azov Sea is 37 meters in the middle of the fairway.. the fairway is not natural.. was made/digged.. :D

That shallow? :huh:

It has to be an especially warm sea then...

volodya61 02-16-13 08:16 PM

I was wrong.. was greatly mistaken.. :haha:
Max depth - 15 meters :)

warm? not quite.. many cold sources and springs..

volodya61 02-17-13 11:29 AM

I had modified all my hydrophones this way:

GHG and Balcon Gerat

1st SensorData:
Max Range=40,000
MinSesorHeight=-500
MaxSesorHeight=-80
SweepArc=8
SweepPeriod=60
ProbInsideArc=1

2nd SensorData:
Max Range=30,000
MinSesorHeight=-500
MaxSesorHeight=-30
SweepArc=12
SweepPeriod=90
ProbInsideArc=0,85

3rd SensorData:
Max Range=15,000
MinSesorHeight=-500
MaxSesorHeight=-10
SweepArc=16
SweepPeriod=120
ProbInsideArc=0,70

4th SensorData:
Max Range=5,000
MinSesorHeight=-500
MaxSesorHeight=-2
SweepArc=16
SweepPeriod=150
ProbInsideArc=0,30

KDB

1st SensorData:
Max Range=40,000
MinSesorHeight=-500
MaxSesorHeight=-73
SweepArc=8
SweepPeriod=60
ProbInsideArc=1

2nd SensorData:
Max Range=30,000
MinSesorHeight=-500
MaxSesorHeight=-23
SweepArc=12
SweepPeriod=90
ProbInsideArc=0,85

3rd SensorData:
Max Range=15,000
MinSesorHeight=-500
MaxSesorHeight=-3
SweepArc=16
SweepPeriod=120
ProbInsideArc=0,70

4th SensorData:
Max Range=5,000
MinSesorHeight=-500
MaxSesorHeight=0
SweepArc=16
SweepPeriod=150
ProbInsideArc=0,30

gap 02-17-13 01:13 PM

Hi Volodya,

I didn't get time yet to work on the spreadsheet I told you yesterday. Nonetheless, the Max Range figures you are proposing seem to me a bit exagerated, especially for the KDB hydrophone.

In any case, I woudn't exceed 40,000 m for the deeper range, for 2 reasons:

- due to the world limit issue, bigger values wouldn't have any other effect than making the signal stronger at long ranges, but the same can be achieved by using the PreciseRange parameter.

- I suspect that the figure of 100 km reported by some sources as maximum range against convoys, if we got to rely on it, is relative to exceptionally good conditions. On the other hand, the Admiralty report I mentioned a few days ago (cumulative edition) refers maximum ranges of 10 nm for single contacts and 20 nm for convoys in very good conditions, i.e 18.5-37 km. It is also said that these ranges were halved by bad weather and other adverse conditions.

All in all, 40 km or a bit lesser for GHG and Balkon, and sensibly lesser for the KDB (which had shorter range) seem a generous estimate to me.

Moreover, I would try decreasing the SweepArc and ProbInsideArc settings.
If my hazarded guess is correct, this would result in many more detecting arcs, each with a decresed detection probability, thus making it easier for Benno to detect convoys (covering more that one arc) than single ships :hmmm:


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