Culprits cited for littering.:-?

Another approach might be to change the law. Remove all the special rights a cop has to use lethal force. He has to bet his life and freedom to the same degree as the average citizen every time he uses lethal force for any reason, just like the rest of us.

And his fellow officers to the court in such cases are to be considered as credible as an average defendant's mother (that is to say, NOT).

And resist the urge to give them back just because one or two of them get killed. We tried giving them special rights and it doesn't seem to be working.

If the guy is forced to seriously think he might land into prison, rather than be protected by softee privileged laws to the police and every policeman willing to lie for him (and be believed), things might be different.

Follow Mister Rock's advice. It may be your only remedy. According to this article...


http://news.msn.com/us/us-government...ferguson-death

I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy.

Cell phone footage of the shooting of the guy with a knife in St. Louis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P5...ctr=1408736206

Honestly, suicide by cop, there wasn't much else the cops could do really, I mean a taser might have worked but judging by the amount of people that have been killed by tasers in the US then it probably would have ended the same way.

This chap made a good selection of postings on the subject:
http://imgur.com/gallery/l62iF

^ This is all good and well, but this young man in Ferguson was not armed as far as i read.

Of course, anyone can carry a concealed gun, so .. shoot first ask later :hmmm:

Wow, can you imagine how hard it will be to keep good cops on the job if everyone feels like its ok to feed a few to the lions? :o Try to imagine: you are being threatened by a man who is extremely belligerent, who is something like 6'3" and 260 pounds. He is coming at you...and you see a cop and instruct him not to shoot the assailant, just find some way to keep you safe.

Yeah, let's make the job of policeman so undesirable that we cannot find anyone to do it. I can tell you now, I sure as heck would not do the job as you described.


Legally? No, not everyone. Illegally? Of course. Here in the US, in Germany, UK, Japan, anywhere. But let's not turn this thread into a gun thread ;)

Right, Powell was asked to stop 2-3 times. Powell's answer was "Shoot me" and he kept adnvancing, it was reported he had a knife. What you think the cops should have done? What would you have done?

So sick of everyone pointing the finger at the police. Like the photo of a young girl 3-4 days ago, holding a sign that said something like "I want to go to school". Here's a thought: Hold that sign to your parents, not at the camera! It's not the police that wont let you go, it's the rioters that prevents your education.

The more information comes, the more it seems to support Officer Wilson.

Neal, I'll argue this "Let's protect our cops at all costs" attitude is leading to the mess that we see today. Every time an extremely low percentage incident occurs, Americans clamor for more (and more expensive) guns, body armor, more "special rights" for the cops and even the curriculum of the police courses need change. To an alarming extent they are granted, and the cumulative effect is the ugliness we see today.

At the very least, if after the cops get shot Americans consider increase, the inverse should also be true. After every blowout like this, American must consider decreases yet to a stunning extent this is not happening. The police band together to protect their own and Americans, wanting to trust their police, agree to treat it at worst an "individual case" and let the cops keep their rights.

At the rate Americans are going, by 2050, police will be in Bradleys and be granted complete free-fire ROEs. This has to stop.

There has to be a middle ground

A point where the police are empowered to do their duty but at the same time have actual accountability.

That's all that I am asking for. Reasonable accountability if the officer exceeds his or her warrant.

We can't have the police empowered to shoot anyone (or anyone's dog for that matter) simply because the officer felt "threatened".

I can't shoot someone just because I feel threatened. I feel "threatened" pretty much any time I walk though DC!! I have to wait until someone actually attacks/attempts to attack me. Why are the police, with better armour, better weapons, better training, and better backup held to a LOWER standard?

The police are the government body most capable of infringing on a citizen's rights. The police have the ultimate authority to kick in my door and drag me out of my house in the middle of the night. At any time they feel "threatened" they can attack, injure, maim, or even kill me.

With that type of authority, the police better be held to a high standard and have to have accountability for their actions. To have a body of government with that much authority and little accountability can not be a good idea in a free society.

I am sorry the job of the police is tough. So handle it by giving the police more. More cameras, more recorders, more back up, more weapons, more armour, more..... As a law-abiding citizen, I am more than willing to pay the extra taxes to pay for this.

The solution is NOT to give the police LESS accountability.

Has there ever been a case where some group has this much authority and this little accountability that has not eventually resulted in abuse?

The shortest road to a police state is marked with the sign "for the public's safety". :yep:

While I agree with you regarding accountability I don't believe that giving the police more weapons is always a good idea. Weapons are instruments of power and power corrupts.

A policeman wielding a 6 shot revolver takes time to aim and place his shots. A cop wielding a 15 shot semi-auto can and often does shoot a hail of bullets. Brown was shot six times, two of them killing shots in the head. Talk about overkill. What nobody is asking is how many more bullets missed him and plowed into whatever happened to be behind him.

One thing we have to keep in mind is did Brown have a motivation to attack the officer. He had just robbed a store and attacked the clerk. He had to be concerned that the police had been called and possibly looking for him. Even though the cop didn't know, Brown did. My guess is and it's clear he attacked the cop was he didn't want to go to jail for his previous actions and tried to escape.

There's been much use of the talk of tazers in several shootings. Not sure the cop had one or the two cops that killed the other black guy that came at them with a knife. Cops are getting a lot of military surplus free and grants on other, not on body cameras. Fact is to store the data is expensive and many local govts don't supply the funds.

I hear so many liberals crying about use a tazer, when in fact for years liberals have cried out so much about them, many depts have stopped using them...

Well, we can see why I'm not a cop :D

"Officer Neal, we have a large disturbed man with a knife" -- click! (radio off)

I'm sure it'll work itself out, let's grab a donut!

If Ferguson is mostly black, maybe they should have black police forces in these towns...Since it's suck a race issue for these towns, maybe that's the answer. Let's see how it would work out then...

http://dissonantwinstonsmith.wordpre...15/dissonance/


Yeah, I don't think black police officers like dealing with this either.