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THE_MASK
10-20-06, 11:21 PM
I declare that i have no mods of Donut76 . Sober
Please add your name here .
Ducimus
10-20-06, 11:29 PM
Refresh my memory, what DID he mod? I seriously have a couple gig's worth of compressed mod d/ls on one of my hard drives.
d@rk51d3
10-20-06, 11:33 PM
Never heard of Donut76, So I'm assuming that I'm safe.:up:
But if he took others' mods, then are you really deleting HIS mods? :hmm:
Ducimus
10-21-06, 01:40 AM
Im guessing all of "his" stuff was primarly graphics.
bunkerratt
10-21-06, 02:03 AM
ok..i'll admit that i have "his"mods running....i have the storch...can't remember if the officer faces were his or not?...and as ccip said...what really belongs to who?.i also asked about 2 weeks if the "funkroom"mod was not the same as the 1 i installed from caritios gw mod?..the rusty inside of the sub?...man this is nuts..having to swipe other folks work and then repost it in the same fourms as the folks he swiped it from to start with?....as far as "his "other mods..does anyone know what was posted as "his"...so if in fact i have some running i can give credit where it's long overdue or have permission to use them ?....:nope: :damn:
What's out is out and what's done is done. I wouldn't worry about it if you're using it already.
Just be careful to not post/share anything he created.
I deleted the stuff I know he did.
mr chris
10-21-06, 03:23 AM
I had a few of:nope: "his":nope: planes but have deleted them.
HunterICX
10-21-06, 04:21 AM
I,m clean, I only have the TGW mod without anything else.
I have this interface mod he di... no hang on, that was mine :doh:
HunterICX
10-21-06, 05:10 AM
I have this interface mod he di... no hang on, that was mine :doh:
:rotfl: that cracked me up....
Correct me if im'e wrong,But i thought this forum didn't mind who or what people put on here So long as it was SHARED for evryone and is fileshare...If people are going to say this work is mine fairenough.but dont playhell when other people want to use it.
YOU put it on here for other people to use,afterall that is the whole point of sharing.
Are you talking about my stuff? I never released the stuff that donots leaked. He released it to the public without my permission and claimed it as his own. As I've said before, that stuff wasn't meant to be seen for at least another 6 weeks.
fredbass
10-21-06, 07:38 AM
This thread will tell you a lot for those who haven't been keeping up.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=93971
Hylander_1314
10-21-06, 07:59 AM
Only using GW mod, with Sober's graphic tweaks, and TT's CrushDepth Mod. So unless GW has anything that's already there, I'm Clean. Oh yes, and SHIII Commander 2.6.
But I like some of his mods such as the Funkraum & I think the Bordeinstrumente mods were his & they are very good!:cry:
The Noob
10-21-06, 08:30 AM
I agree with Reece.
The only mod from him (or is it stolen?) i would use is the Onboard interior mod. But i can't find it someware, his filefront page seems to be empty.
JScones
10-21-06, 08:47 AM
I agree with Reece.
The only mod from him (or is it stolen?) i would use is the Onboard interior mod. But i can't find it someware, his filefront page seems to be empty.
Well the onboard interior mod contains *at least* one non-donots file - flaggen.tga by JCWolf (another WIP). Dunno about the other files.
Kpt. Lehmann
10-21-06, 09:02 AM
But I like some of his mods such as the Funkraum & I think the Bordeinstrumente mods were his & they are very good!:cry:
The Bordistrumente mod was made by "Oakgroove" (or Oakgrove) and donots76 did some minor re-working of the same. I wouldn't worry about that too much Reece. From what I can see donots just did some cutting and pasting of textures. All of it on top of Oakgroove's works.
The Noob
10-21-06, 09:07 AM
That all is scandalous! :nope:
Sailor Steve
10-21-06, 11:25 AM
I have the Bordinstrumente updates he did, and thought they were good. Now I wonder...
That all is scandalous! :nope:
Yes. :nope::nope:
None of his mods myself, just RuB and HT, sensor fix and skins pack for SH3 Commander.
Kpt. Lehmann
10-21-06, 06:12 PM
Hi Sailor Steve... not sure if you saw this on previous page...
But I like some of his mods such as the Funkraum & I think the Bordeinstrumente mods were his & they are very good!:cry:
The Bordistrumente mod was made by "Oakgroove" (or Oakgrove) and donots76 did some minor re-working of the same. I wouldn't worry about that too much Reece. From what I can see donots just did some cutting and pasting of textures. All of it on top of Oakgroove's works.
Safe-Keeper
10-21-06, 07:12 PM
I have this interface mod he di... no hang on, that was mine :doh::rotfl:
can someone explain to me whats going on ?
Kpt. Lehmann said:
The Bordistrumente mod was made by "Oakgroove" (or Oakgrove) and donots76 did some minor re-working of the same. I wouldn't worry about that too much Reece. From what I can see donots just did some cutting and pasting of textures. All of it on top of Oakgroove's works.
I think I will change the documents readme to end with:
"by Oakgroove & rehashed by Donotz76"
:up:
bill clarke
10-21-06, 08:21 PM
can someone explain to me whats going on ?
Hi Jmack, it would appear that donut76 has taken other peoples mod and made /is making changes and claiming them as his own work.
I have none of his mods, just TW2.2
What's done is done, we can't change that. And I don't condone his actions either. All we can do is reprimand him for what he did. I imagine right about now he's kicking his own ass for it, just as everyone else is doing. He's paying the ultimate price for his actions. :gulp:
I've got over 70 mods in my SHIII vanilla setup and I'm not about to delete any of them. I don't condone what he did but I won't destroy a mod just for the sake of chastizing him, words here are doing that. So I say each to his own on what they do with any mod. I do know I won't pass any on that I know aren't his. Besides, I couldn't get the ones in question, for some reason I can't download anyones mods from FileFront. Pages open but hangup forever.
No matter what Neal or Terrapin do it's time to get on with life. What's passed is passed. Everyone can rag about it from now till the end of time, it won't change a thing. What's done is done, lets be human beings about it and move forward.
kylania
10-21-06, 08:27 PM
I have the Bordinstrumente updates he did, and thought they were good. Now I wonder...
The actual work is still superb, no matter where it was downloaded from. Just credit should go to those who made the work, not just hosted it again. :D
Kpt. Lehmann
10-22-06, 08:45 AM
To remove all doubt, we have removed donots76 from the GWX dev team for suspected theft weeks ago regarding other unrelated GWX file-sets.
We have removed donots76 from the GWX credits.
To the best of our knowledge we have removed all works submitted to us by him.
Any works deemed important enough will be re-done by us and may constitute a GWX release delay of a few days.
As I write this, donots76 is reading this thread and has had nothing to say in this forum as far as I am aware... to even attempt explaining his actions.
If I thought for one moment that this was a first offence... I think clemency would be in order. Anyone can make a mistake. The most recent occurrance is not his first... and at no time did he ask permission or even bother to credit the actual artist... and he stated it was his own work.
My vote is to ban donots76. The evidence is clear. It is not okay to ignore it.
LaikaFatBum
10-22-06, 04:56 PM
To remove all doubt, we have removed donots76 from the GWX dev team for suspected theft weeks ago regarding other unrelated GWX file-sets.
We have removed donots76 from the GWX credits.
To the best of our knowledge we have removed all works submitted to us by him.
Any works deemed important enough will be re-done by us and may constitute a GWX release delay of a few days.
As I write this, donots76 is reading this thread and has had nothing to say in this forum as far as I am aware... to even attempt explaining his actions.
If I thought for one moment that this was a first offence... I think clemency would be in order. Anyone can make a mistake. The most recent occurrance is not his first... and at no time did he ask permission or even bother to credit the actual artist... and he stated it was his own work.
My vote is to ban donots76. The evidence is clear. It is not okay to ignore it.
Kpt. Lehmann,
whats I wants to know is was he kicked of GW for this stuff why they sat by then and did not seem to care much? yer they kick him off but all hush hush and no outcry then.
What donots76 do is very wrong, but gw always seem to have no trouble accuss NYGM of stealing every other weeks :nope:
I not defends donots76 I just question gw motives to be only self serving when it was their work. when it was work of others they not so concerend.
To remove all doubt, we have removed donots76 from the GWX dev team for suspected theft weeks ago regarding other unrelated GWX file-sets.
We have removed donots76 from the GWX credits.
To the best of our knowledge we have removed all works submitted to us by him.
Any works deemed important enough will be re-done by us and may constitute a GWX release delay of a few days.
As I write this, donots76 is reading this thread and has had nothing to say in this forum as far as I am aware... to even attempt explaining his actions.
If I thought for one moment that this was a first offence... I think clemency would be in order. Anyone can make a mistake. The most recent occurrance is not his first... and at no time did he ask permission or even bother to credit the actual artist... and he stated it was his own work.
My vote is to ban donots76. The evidence is clear. It is not okay to ignore it. Kpt. Lehmann,
whats I wants to know is was he kicked of GW for this stuff why they sat by then and did not seem to care much? yer they kick him off but all hush hush and no outcry then.
What donots76 do is very wrong, but gw always seem to have no trouble accuss NYGM of stealing every other weeks :nope:
I not defends donots76 I just question gw motives to be only self serving when it was their work. when it was work of others they not so concerend.
Donots was kicked from the team by other reasons, but yes, it was stealing.
I´ve been following your posts for sometime and I can see you are a big fan of NYGM, so I forgive you. I too see that you are pretty new here in SS, so you dont have a clue what your 'modding god' did in the first place and what caused the bad blood between the teams.
Oh, almost forgot! Could you tell me or point out a post where someone from the GW team has accused NYGM of stealing?
Good day.
PS. GW team is not the forum police, we cannot remember if some mod is really made by the uploader or by some other. This recent upload by Donots was easy to recognise as it is part of the GWX.
Kpt. Lehmann
10-22-06, 05:17 PM
LaikaFatBum,
Please post links to any post where a member of the GW dev team has accused NYGM of stealing.
You have made a serious accusation against us. You better damn well show proof.
Otherwise, your post is useless and uninformed crap. :stare:
Why oh why dig this up again LaikaFatBum? :nope: Things have calmed down, we GW/NYGM are getting along fine. It's good for the community that they have as many mods as they can get thier hands on. Both GW/NYGM try to give the broadest spectrum of players the resources to play the game How you want to play it.:up:
Regarding Donuts, we thought the internal approach would be best, when he was caught out he was sacked from the GW dev team post haste, We did'nt want to "air our dirty laundry in public" but when he started to publicly post other peoples mods and calling it "His own work" we could not stand by and let this happen.
bookworm_020
10-22-06, 07:19 PM
Why oh why dig this up again LaikaFatBum? :nope: Things have calmed down, we GW/NYGM are getting along fine. It's good for the community that they have as many mods as they can get thier hands on. Both GW/NYGM try to give the broadest spectrum of players the resources to play the game How you want to play it.:up:
Regarding Donuts, we thought the internal approach would be best, when he was caught out he was sacked from the GW dev team post haste, We did'nt want to "air our dirty laundry in public" but when he started to publicly post other peoples mods and calling it "His own work" we could not stand by and let this happen.
You delt with it well, It's just he continued with it despite what you had done. Plagiarism is always a problem, I know, I'm a librarian!!! You did the right thing and no blame can be pointed in your direction.
It reminds us that we all need to alert to this and keep an eye out for it, because this could scare off the people we want and need on this forum. I'd hate to see talent go else where if they work scared that their work could be stolen (Yes, I know of the previous cases, thanks you!).
Ban him fro the site. Make sure others know this is not on. I general post post may be a good idea, or an email to all members saying it won't be accepted would be the way to go.
LaikaFatBum
10-22-06, 09:46 PM
I not here to bring up old stuff so that it start fight. I new here, buts I reads lots on nygm & gw because i wants to choose mod & not able to downloads lots. This times I choose nygm. I not choose sides.
In old posts not nice posts and I sees that gw guys had says nygm steal works for hurricane that fires guns and thats they taks 3rd flotilla and other stuffs I recall. I thinks nygm prove not steal but you not do privatly?
so you dont have a clue what your 'modding god' did in the first place and what caused the bad blood between the teams.
This silly, dtb not my god. Yes he bad cause you say.
donots76 steals and you keep secret. It just as bad then as now and should have done then what you did now.
donots76 steals and you keep secret. It just as bad then as now and should have done then what you did now.
The reason "WE" kept quiet was that it was an internal matter at the time,the persons affected were contacted A.S.A.P, like i said when he started to post in the open forums about "his" new work,that was when "WE" broke our silence.
JScones
10-22-06, 11:07 PM
In old posts not nice posts and I sees that gw guys had says nygm steal works for hurricane that fires guns and thats they taks 3rd flotilla and other stuffs I recall. I thinks nygm prove not steal but you not do privatly?
Can't comment on the Hurricane bit, but I know for a fact that the GW team has NEVER accused NYGM of stealing 3rd Flotilla. There's no 3rd Flotilla in GWX - never even a consideration!
It's Ducimus as an individual that has confronted the NYGM team over that, absolutely unrelated to the GW team.
And "and other stuffs I recall" is not proof of anything.
donots76 steals and you keep secret. It just as bad then as now and should have done then what you did now.
LOL! Demonstrate some common sense LaikaFatBum - when donots76's first lot of "theft" was uncovered there was no suggestion or indication at that stage how widespread his stealing was, or would be. Indeed, as the Kpt has already stated, it was "suspected theft" - whether the files were released deliberately or accidentally was a side issue at the time - the important consideration being simply their removal from his mod package.
Should that perceived one isolated incident have gone public? Should he have been publicly accused as a mod thief then? I don't think so. First identified offence, benefit of the doubt and all that. Plus, as has already been mentioned, the issue was dealt with swiftly and to the satisfaction of Kpt Lehmann.
However, when it came to light a few days ago that he released *further* GWX files back at the end of August (seemingly just after his expulsion from the GW team), this time in no way could it be considered "an oversight" or a mistake. This time he blatantly called them "his files".
A few subsequent checks behind the scenes found some more "miscredited" files in stuff he's released, and it's not just GWX files. No doubt about his intentions this time.
I not defends donots76 I just question gw motives to be only self serving when it was their work. when it was work of others they not so concerend.
So now it's the GW team's responsibility to police the release of every mod to check for theft? Geez man. It was raised by the GW team simply because it was identified by the GW team! Had another modder identified their work as being stolen, I'm sure they would have announced it some way too. Indeed, non-GW teamsters *had* recently raised reservations about his work. The GW team simply confirmed it when they had proof. And you'll see the Kpt has alerted other modders to the stealing of their files.
To JScones
That is a very clear and concise Post and i agree 100% with what you have posted.
so ... i guess i wont be making skins for the ju-52 ?
FIREWALL
10-23-06, 12:01 AM
I started reading sober's thread about deleting mods that dognuts stole and as i kept reading the other posts it was going pretty smooth till fathead got into it with no knowledge of what is currently going on and put in his 2 cents worth and seems to me tried to start crap. When the **** hit the fan I saw this community especialy "the modders" all come together setting aside there squabbles and say in one voice "WHAT DOGNUTS DID WAS NOT RIGHT". Hopefully things will get back to normal whatever that is and we can get back to what we love best SH-3 & how we as individuals like to mod it to our personal tastes. Lets get back on track life is to short.:yep: Best to all and Good Hunting......
I started reading sober's thread about deleting mods that dognuts stole and as i kept reading the other posts it was going pretty smooth till fathead got into it with no knowledge of what is currently going on and put in his 2 cents worth and seems to me tried to start crap. When the **** hit the fan I saw this community especialy "the modders" all come together setting aside there squabbles and say in one voice "WHAT DOGNUTS DID WAS NOT RIGHT". Hopefully things will get back to normal whatever that is and we can get back to what we love best SH-3 & how we as individuals like to mod it to our personal tastes. Lets get back on track life is to short.:yep: Best to all and Good Hunting......
I do agree with you, mate. :up: I think this has been a "wake-up" call to anyone who ever considered doing the same thing as donots76. Let it be said once and for all: Most of the modders are seriouse people, doing a great job extending the possibilities in SHIII. Remember that subsim.com isnt the only forum about SHIII, and the community is so large that anyone trying to "scam" someone, will be caught (whereever they post it..). Like the X! incident, i agree that this topic will not be in the headlines after a while, but it will not be forgotten.
Without any direct personal attack, i think we should nominate donots76 to the "Bernard of the month" - price. Anyone with me? :hmm:
bookworm_020
10-23-06, 12:52 AM
Without any direct personal attack, i think we should nominate donots76 to the "Bernard of the month" - price. Anyone with me? :hmm:
Seconded!!!:rock:
FIREWALL
10-23-06, 01:09 AM
Thirded!!!! Is that a word?:)
bookworm_020
10-23-06, 02:52 AM
Thirded!!!! Is that a word?:)
Doesn't matter!
All thoese in favour of the motion, say "Aye":yep:
mr chris
10-23-06, 06:10 AM
Aye!!!:yep:
THE_MASK
10-23-06, 06:31 AM
The main reason for me posting this thread was not to be spiteful to anyone . People make silly mistakes whether they mean it or not . Why i posted this was to show the GWX team that the community was behind them by showing that myself and whoever else are waiting patiently and will wait for GWX in its entirety . Regards Sober .
On behalf of the GWX Devteam i would like to thank the community for your kind words regarding GW and also for your patience :rock:
hamburger
10-23-06, 02:30 PM
i read also in german forums what happened. that was not correct, but we should regulate this like adults man and directly not concerned should not judge...
@ bunkerratt
the officer face mod is mine!!! i only put donots OFF helmet in my real face mod pack
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hamburger
Kpt. Lehmann
10-23-06, 06:03 PM
@Hamburger, you should re-submit your officer face mod. You've got no worries.
Donots76 should be banned.
It is not easy to look this problem in the eye. It takes a bit of intestinal fortitude to carry out punishment. There are a hundred other things you could chooose to do that allow your existence to stay on the simple side. It would be simpler to just ignore it and wait for it to go away.... to just sweep it under the carpet.
Those of you who only come here to see what you can get ... you cannot fully understand the meaning of what has happened.
For those of you who are modders... and have spent your time trying to make this game better. I hope you will take a moment to step back and imagine that this happened to you...
... that someone took your work... put their name on it... and called it theirs for their own personal edification.
If this is swept under the carpet... and donots76's weak non-specific apology is accepted... It will happen again.
We don't always see eye to eye in this place... but some of you have been affected by theft and plagiarism before... A message must be sent. It cannot be tolerated.
Ducimus
10-23-06, 06:15 PM
I hope you will take a moment to step back and imagine that this happened to you...
... that someone took your work... put their name on it... and called it theirs for their own personal edification.
If that happened to me, first thing id do is open a bottle of Captain Morgan...
hamburger
10-23-06, 07:11 PM
worries? no, why i should also? but bunkerratt thought, my mod could be a work of donot.
okay, i re-submit my mod without donots cap.
Kpt. Lehmann
10-23-06, 07:29 PM
okay, i re-submit my mod without donots cap.
Of course matey! :up: :up: :up:
Sulikate
10-23-06, 07:49 PM
Aye!!!:yep:
Aye!!!:yep:
LaikaFatBum
10-25-06, 07:11 AM
LaikaFatBum,
Please post links to any post where a member of the GW dev team has accused NYGM of stealing.
You have made a serious accusation against us. You better damn well show proof.
Otherwise, your post is useless and uninformed crap. :stare:
sure thing. Take long time to find http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=94079&page=4 it obvious from nygm apology and explanation that nygm not guilty. it looks like gw made this publicly first not privately or if privately then made made public anyways???
ducimus no longer part of gw?
Cdre Gibs said
d/l nygmv2 last night and had a peek, being curious to see what the nygm team had done. At first I was going to reply straight away but decided to sleep it over first and cool off before posting. Didn't work!
Buried in among 74 page of dribble stating over and over how great nygm is, 1 can find a pittiful excuse for a disclaimer and credit statement. I must be the only 1 who is insulted by what the nygm team call their supposed disclaimer and credit statement.
"Disclaimer
The Mods, fixes and alterations contained in this compilation, and files contained in the compressed 7z archives, are owned by their individual authors. This compilation is freeware and maynot be disturbuted in whole or part on CD-ROM, disk, or other physical media for a fee without the written permission of the individual authors."
Thats all well and good IF the individual Authors ( like myself ) had been ASKED or CREDITED about the inclusion of their works into the nygmod.
The closest thing to a Credit statement in nygm ( if 1 can call it thus ).
Additional Changes and Additions
Additional modifications included in NYGM Tonnage War v2.0 are outlined below:
Date Name and Author
060206 New officer icons - Captain America
060206 Weathered awards - Pascal
060206 Improved sea spray and wakes - Pascal
060206 Fixed reflections on various U-boats - Sergbuto
060206 Precision periscope bearing overlay - Redwine
060206 Added Liegh Lights to B24, Wellington, PBY, and Sunderland - CCIP, CB and
Col7777
060206 Improved torpedo textures - Marhkimov
060206 Enhanced default view distance and environmental colors - Marhkimov
060206 Improved and FPS friendly smoke textures - Marhkimov
060315 Canal Terrain Mods – ref
060315 Kiel Canal Traffic - CCIP
060515 JonZ’s Sliding Chronometer – JonZ
060515 JonZ’s Improved Recognition Manual - JonZ
060515 Navi-Map Mod - FLB Sale9999
060531 Bordinstrumente 1.2 and Funkraum Upgrade - Donots76
060531 Improved U-Boat sounds - CCIP
I see that some ppl and even other major mods are missing from the above list, myself included. I dont know about any1 else and I can't speak for them, but to me this is just 1 more slap in the face to the modding community in general by the nygm team. Its what I have come to expect from the nygm team, a total lack of respect for the modding community in general. I recall a while ago when I released a wee lil mod and I gave a some what same broad sweeping credit statement, that the modding community formed a lynching mod and swung my sorry arse from a tree. There seems to be no angry lynching mob now! Well look again, an angry lynching mod of 1! The double standards that get applied around here is sickening, its ok for some but lo an behold to those who aint excempt!
The normal convention held about using other ppls works is roughly as follows ( as far as I am aware of ) :
1.) Ask if its ok to encompass/use/change/add to, before you use some1 else's work. Failing that if you cant or forgot to.
2.) Make damn sure you give credit to those who's work's you have encompass/use/change/add to, after the fact in a credit statement clearly stating all those who's works are involved in your release.
On a personal note I also would suggest that 1 finds out if the authors works your about to fú©k around with is ok with what you intend to do with it and include it in with. I'm not ok with it at all.
In light of that I hereby state, cease and desist in the use of my works that are included in the nygm v2 release. I have no desire for any of my works to be included in with the nygmod.
Kpt. Lehmann
10-25-06, 07:26 AM
... and in NYGM 2.2 Der Teddy Barr took care of business and placed credits where they were missing. It is not easy to admit you are wrong and fix a problem in this way.
Go away Little Fat Butt. You are only making a fool of yourself. You can join the "I hate Kpt. Lehmann club" and wave your "I hate Kpt. Lehmann" sign across the street all you like.
This thread is about notifying the community of theft and plagiarism by donots76.
JScones
10-25-06, 07:56 AM
sure thing. Take long time to find http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=94079&page=4 it obvious from nygm apology and explanation that nygm not guilty. it looks like gw made this publicly first not privately or if privately then made made public anyways???
I think you should quit while you are behind, or at least until you understand the context of what you are prattling on about, so that you don't, to borrow the Kpt's words, keep "making a fool of yourself". :nope:
What strikes me as crazy is how Donots would rip off a MEGA mod that is pretty much (no offense to NYGM) the most popular one on SubSim. It strikes me as being only sensible that if I'm going to rip someone's work off it better be obscure. He's both a thief and a daft smeg head.
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