What happened to the elberich and tarmatte?

[Werewolf]

Could someone tell me where this feature is controlled? I mean, what file decides when alberich is availeble?

I have NYGM installed and it seems as if this feature has been removed with it. Not because I want to complain about the mod, I only want Alberich and Tarmatte available since this technology actually existed back then. :)

[Shahed]

They are there. I have the anti sonar in late 42.

[Werewolf]

:hmm:

@Shahed

Then I don't understand anything, ever since I installed NYGM all of the features in the Special equipment menu are gone

[Shahed]

@ Werewolf

Oops sorry. Just reread your post. Thought you were talking about GW.
I've never played NYGM so I can't help you.

[Werewolf]

@Shahed:

That's okay :D thanks for trying anyway

[Shahed]

Pleasure.

Someone else will be ale to help you.

[Anachronous]

Could someone tell me where this feature is controlled? I mean, what file decides when alberich is availeble?

I have NYGM installed and it seems as if this feature has been removed with it. Not because I want to complain about the mod, I only want Alberich and Tarmatte available since this technology actually existed back then. :)

I couldnt see the alberich at all. I had it before NYGM, but no longer had it after I installed NYGM. The Tarmatte showed up later in the war (1944 i noticed it), after i managed to skip 2 years by changing subs. :(

[bigboywooly]

Alberich appears in the basic.cfg in cfg

[SPECIAL0]; anti sonar coatings
DaysSpent=1
Nb=2
NameIdx0=1303
Year0=1941
Month0=8
NbSub0=4
Sub00=0
Sub01=1
Sub02=2
Sub03=3
Renown0=1000
Name0=Alberich

NameIdx1=1304
Year1=1944
Month1=2
NbSub1=4
Sub10=0
Sub11=1
Sub12=2
Sub12=3
Renown1=2000
Name1=AlberichImproved

[rowi58]

@Werewolf,

all you need is the Basic.cfg. It is all inside this configuration file. Open the Basic.cfg and go to the bottom of the file. There (should) be the following entries:

-------
[SPECIAL0]; anti sonar coatings
DaysSpent=1
Nb=2
NameIdx0=1303
Year0=1941
Month0=8
NbSub0=4; number of sub-types, which can use this feature
Sub00=0; all type II subs
Sub01=1; all type VII subs
Sub02=2; all type IX subs
Sub03=3; all type XXI subs
Renown0=1000; "price" of this feature
Name0=Alberich

NameIdx1=1304
Year1=1944
Month1=2
NbSub1=4
Sub10=0
Sub11=1
Sub12=2
Sub12=3
Renown1=2000
Name1=AlberichImproved

[SPECIAL1]; anti radar coatings
DaysSpent=1
Nb=1
NameIdx0=1305
Year0=1944
Month0=1
NbSub0=4
Sub00=0
Sub01=1
Sub02=2
Sub03=3
Renown0=1500
Name0=Tarnmatte
------------------

See my comments in the SPECIAL0. If they are not there (or anywhere in the Basic.cfg), just add the entries above. Then go to every sub-type in the Basic.cfg. The folllowing exaple ist for the type II A:

go to: SUBMARINE_AMMO0
go to: YEAR0
at the end of this block (before the line RENOWN0=0), there must be the following two lines:
SonarCoatings_00=-1
RadarCoatings_00=-1

If not. add the two lines above. Repeat this for the following years (example: for year1 add:
SonarCoatings_10=-1
RadarCoatings_10=-1). And then, repeat this for all sub-types (you want to use with Tarnmatte and Alberich).

Note: the "-1" means you have to pay for this equipment. If you use the NameIdx instead of the "-1", this equipment will be standard.

Hope it helps.
rowi58

[HW3]

This is why it doesn't show up. Note the dates.

[SPECIAL0]; anti sonar coatings
DaysSpent=5
Nb=2
NameIdx0=1303
Year0=1945 ;1941
Month0=8
NbSub0=4
Sub00=0
Sub01=1
Sub02=2
Sub03=3
Renown0=1000
Name0=Alberich

NameIdx1=1304
Year1=1945 ;1944
Month1=8 ;2
NbSub1=4
Sub10=0
Sub11=1
Sub12=2
Sub12=3
Renown1=2000
Name1=AlberichImproved

[SPECIAL1]; anti radar coatings
DaysSpent=9 ;3
Nb=1
NameIdx0=1305
Year0=1944
Month0=1
NbSub0=4
Sub00=0
Sub01=1
Sub02=2
Sub03=3
Renown0=0 ;1500
Name0=Tarnmatte

The Alberich is not scheduled to show up till August of 1945.:hmm:

[bigboywooly]

This is why it doesn't show up. Note the dates.

[SPECIAL0]; anti sonar coatings
DaysSpent=5
Nb=2
NameIdx0=1303
Year0=1945 ;1941
Month0=8
NbSub0=4
Sub00=0
Sub01=1
Sub02=2
Sub03=3
Renown0=1000
Name0=Alberich

NameIdx1=1304
Year1=1945 ;1944
Month1=8 ;2
NbSub1=4
Sub10=0
Sub11=1
Sub12=2
Sub12=3
Renown1=2000
Name1=AlberichImproved

[SPECIAL1]; anti radar coatings
DaysSpent=9 ;3
Nb=1
NameIdx0=1305
Year0=1944
Month0=1
NbSub0=4
Sub00=0
Sub01=1
Sub02=2
Sub03=3
Renown0=0 ;1500
Name0=Tarnmatte

The Alberich is not scheduled to show up till August of 1945.:hmm:

Lmao you will be at home with your feet up then :rotfl:
Maybe its for the Russians benefit afterwards

[Stiebler]

Alberich was an anti-asdic coating introduced late in the war, suffered from technical problems (like flaking off), and only two U-boats ever actually took it into a war patrol (so far as I can recall).

In the basic SH3 game, Alberich is offered far too early, and was never more than an experiment anyway.

So NYGM disabled it by the simplest means - dating it to after the end of the war.

Stiebler.

[Anachronous]

Alberich was an anti-asdic coating introduced late in the war, suffered from technical problems (like flaking off), and only two U-boats ever actually took it into a war patrol (so far as I can recall).

In the basic SH3 game, Alberich is offered far too early, and was never more than an experiment anyway.

So NYGM disabled it by the simplest means - dating it to after the end of the war.

Stiebler.

One point of view would be..

Seeing the game is all about the player, sometimes its nice to alter history slightly, as simply by playing it, that is what you are doing.

The player's boat being 1 of those 2 boats to use alberich, as its assumed the player is the best uboat captain in the war and is awarded these privileges, due to being best to test them successfully. :)

In my opinion it should be there, but possibly not at such an early date.

[Werewolf]

Holy sh... so many replies and again I was not noticed by my e-mail.

Thank you very much all of you!! :D

I had imagined that the date was altered, I just did not know what file it was in, excellent :D

[Werewolf]

@Stiebler:

No, actually it was invented and on trials already in april 1940, according to this link anyway: http://www.uboataces.com/sonar-coating.shtml , I remember having read, I think it was at uboat net, not sure, that is was available already in the early 40's. It was then forgotten about for some years due to bad adhesive capabilities, but then improved and came back again late 44/early 45, so I just thought that if it was available already in 1940-42 why the hell not on my boat then :lol:

[mountainmanUK]

<H3>Alberich

Alberich consisted of synthetic rubber sheets of about 4mm in thickness which had sound absorbing properties. The material was Oppanol which was secured to the outer hull with adhesives, much like an outer skin. Although no conclusive tests were performed, but it was claimed that the echo reflection of a U-boat with Alberich was reduced by about 15 percent. In addition, it also acted as a sound dampener, containing the U-boat’s own engine noise.
Although the principle was a sound one, problems were encountered with the adhesive coat which was not strong enough to adhere the rubber sheet to the hull. This resulted in the sheets being partially washed off, which flapped in the wake of the ocean current, causing hydrodynamic resistance and noise. Further research into more reliable adhesives were conducted, but up to the end of the war, only a few U-boats had received this treatment. A further contribution was that treating the hull was a time consuming and laborious task.
The first U-boat to receive Alberich was U-11, a Type II coastal boat for trials on its sound absorbing properties. On April 1940, the first operational U-boat was treated, U-67 a Type IXC which was just being laid down. Thereafter, problems with the adhesive prevented further treatments until late 1944, when U-480, a Type VII was tested again using a new adhesive. The results were satisfactory enough and it was decided that all new Type XXIIIs and XXVIs would receive this coating, but ultimately only one Type XXIII, U-4709 had been completed with the coating.
</H3>So....if you are in command of U-67 in April 1940, or lucky enough to be in the Type XXIII boat, U-4709, in the final few months of the war......you can realistically use the Alberich. If not, you can't! (That is if you want to be historically correct!;) ). Nothing at all to stop you from tweaking the files to allow you to use it any other time. You could also tweak the files to enable you to sink a Revenge BB with just one Deck Gun shell.......but then again, it wouldn't be historically correct!;)

Sorry if that sounds a tad sarcastic.....it all depends on just HOW realictic and correct you want to play!

Regards