Free mods sold in U-Boat: Battle in the Mediterranean

[sergbuto]

Since the thread where I posted my findings seems to be deleted I'll re-post them here because I do not like to loose in my message count. :D

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Posted by sergbuto

I have taken a look at Southampton and Gloucester DAT files from the SW-Med release. I can say
with 100% confidence that X1 took the DAT file from my Southampton Cruiser mod.
For Southampton, they did not even bother to change digital IDs for 3D objects (i.e. clone the
unit) so that these IDs are exactly the same as in my Southampton (not to mention the same
naming convention of the objects - I changed Fiji for Town). There are more things which I can
use to identify the file from my mod but I will not tell them because I am using some of those
for the new models/units in works. Besides the thing with digital IDs is so obvious so that
anyone can check that. X1 people only imported one different texture to the file which in half
consists of the texture I used for the Southampton. The other half (to paint the hull) I think
was "borrowed" from Type941's textures although I can't be 100% sure about that since I do not
have those at hand right now.
While I spent long hours making the Southampton cruiser with the hex-editor (there was no
Pack3D available at that time), X1 people simply took it, imported a surrogate texture plate
with Pack3D and now selling it. Despite they were clearly indicated that the mod can't be used
for commercial purposes they cinicly replied that only used it as a placeholder for
screenshots while obviously having in mind to sell it. They do exactly the same thing which
they did with the first Seawolves release.' (source: here)

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Posted by Sergbuto

X1 people also took and sell with current SW-Med release my Nationality Mod v2.0 (naturally
without permission). This time they tried to hide that by renaming the flag.dat file to
flagS.dat, however the digital IDs again tell it all. They are exactly the same as those I put
for various additional countries in my mod. Furthermore, the order of the countries is exactly
the same (I did not use the alphabetic order). X1 people only changed the texture for the
German flag. Anyone can download my mod from terrapin's site
http://u-boot.realsimulation.com/, open files in hex-editor and compare.

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Posted by sergbuto

As in the first Seawolves release, X1 people took and sell as a part of U-boat: Battle in the
Mediterranean my Multi-skinned Ships mod (as I suspected). The easieast way to quickly check
that is to go to the folders of the following ships in the data\Sea directory of the X1
U-boat: Battle in the Mediterranean release and compare the correspondingly numbered texture
plates with those in my mod
NTRW_ : NTRW__T02.tga, _T03, _T04, _T05, _T06
NKC3 : NKC3_T02.tga, _T03, _T04, _T05
NDE_River : NDE_River_T02.tga
NDD_V&W : NDD_V&W_T02.tga
NDD_Type34 : NDD_Type34_T02.tga (BTW, the texture was made by Type941)
NDD_HuntI : NDD_HuntI_T02.tga
NDD_Clemson : NDD_Clemson_T02.tga
I know that X1 people were not able to make multi-skinned ships until recently because when
they wanted to release a couple of ships for free for advertising purposes they contactde me
asking for making those multi-skinned. Why would they bother asking if they knew how?
Nevertheless X1 people did not hesitate to advertise multi-skinned ships as a feature of their
Mediterranean release.

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Posted by sergbuto

DD Hermes in the U-boat: Battle in the Mediterranean release is taken from the Sink Them All
mod because digital binary IDs of the 3D objects are identical. X1 people have only changed
texture for the hull and gave 5-inch guns to the DD in the EQP file instead of 4.7 inch.

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posted by sergbuto:

BTW, the last things I found are that X1 people took and sell Arado from the Float planes mod.
Again the digital IDs of 3D objects are identical. For the German type 1936A DD, they took
texture made by Type941 for Type 1934. I did not have time to check the content of this
release further but I strongly suspect X1 also took material from U-boat reflections mod and
German AI boats mod.

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Posted by sergbuto
Thanks for words of support, Eichenlaub.
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Originally Posted by Eichenlaub
Shame this happens, it's perhaps legal (since modders haven't been given permission by
Ubisoft) /End of Quote
Concerning this point, you are having misunderstanding/under wrong impression cultivated on
purpose by some people visiting these forums. In many cases, the process can be viewed as
modders are putting their original material (3D models, textures, text, etc.) in the format
created by UBI. Insisting on that formated material to be UBI's propety is like insisting on
any book in PDF format to be a property of Adobe.
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posted by sergbuto
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eichenlaub
The way you put it just now, leaves me with one question: what if Ubisoft doesn't really want
any private individual to mod their files? /End of Quote

In SH3, in many cases you do not need to mod UBI's files, you ADD the files: new textures to
data\Textures\TNormal directory, new 3D models to data\Sea, new units to data\Roster, common
files to data\Library folder and so on. With your original material but only in the format
created by UBI (TGA for textures is not even their creation), any lawer can tell UBISOFT to go
to hell with their permission.

[enaceo]

Well I think you have some good evidence there.Team up with other modders that have had their work stolen,and maybe you guys can make something happen,if you get my meaning.

[SteamWake]

Well I think you have some good evidence there.Team up with other modders that have had their work stolen,and maybe you guys can make something happen,if you get my meaning.

Okay Ill play the devils advocate here and ask this.

How can you steal something that is free ?

(that should get the ball rolling :smug: )

[Safe-Keeper]

How can you steal something that is free?Stealing is taking something without permission. It's really that simple.

[kylania]

How can you steal something that is free ?

The point is someone took other people's work and are using it for their own commercial gain.

Someone posted a link to some Falcon IV mod which had a good example of a license for a free mod that should prevent that type of thing from happening. Pretty much just release your free mods are GPL or something similar and these types of "companies" like X1 can't do what they do.

[enaceo]

We aren't reall talking about "stealing something 3 here" ,but about not respecting the author's right.
For example,let's say mister X made ...the ...bigger crew heads mod.He made the mod for free,but it is HIS mod -his intelectual property.
Then,let's say some company,Y1 ,takes that mod ,and puts it into a pack ,and sells it for money,without even mentioning his name.
They are stealing his intelectual property which is something you can sue people for.

[Myxale]

:nope:
Wow, thats quite the bummer Serg!
I mean if the same ID shows in the "mods" of the Mediterrane "pack" then this is a right in your face evidence!:nope:

Holy crap, they did worser things now than way back with seawolves!:shifty:
Bugger them!:nope:

I can't imagine how you guys must feel now.

[Wulfmann]

Posted by sergbuto

DD Hermes in the U-boat: Battle in the Mediterranean release is taken from the Sink Them All mod because digital binary IDs of the 3D objects are identical. X1 people have only changed texture for the hull and gave 5-inch guns to the DD in the EQP file instead of 4.7 inch.

This intrigues me Serg.
I asked for DD Hermes for SW -Med.
They did not know about the ship at all. My (only) contact at Combat Planes asked me what it was and how it could be made. I told him it was a Brit G class (Included in SH3 C-Class) with some changes by the Greeks but close enough for the game.
He had it made (I have no idea who or what made their ships) received it and sent it to me (Jan 2006) I asked the guns be changed to the German 5 inch because the Greeks used the German 127MM on those ships as well as a few other changes which he did. I also asked it be classed a type 3 so it could be added without any chance of it appearing in the Atlantic (and other DDs showing up in the med)which he did.
The above question was mentioned to him (Sim HQ) that it was not his and he is actually perplexed as he was sure he had it made for him.
Who made it then for him?
Is someone selling him stuff that also offers it as freeware or is someone taking freeware and selling it to him. (that would be kinda funny)
This may be trivial but because I asked for it and I would like to trace this to the source and see where it leads.
Perhaps this could be done objectively?

Wulfmann

[spork542]

Somehow I expect this of X1 Software. :-?

[joea]

Wulfmann it's more than just the Hermes and some textures. Yup someone ought to make an objective comparison (again).

[bigboywooly]

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btw, ALL mods are the property of UBISOFT.. clearly stated when you install SH 3. We have UBISOFT permission to publish our expansions.

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=002387#000009

[SteamWake]

I find it curious that they (x1) use simHQ as their outlet.

Id be willing to bet that the crowd over there are somewhat less ... erm... up to date on these issues.

Well no worries I wont be giving them any money. Pretty happy with the GW supermod and the two are non sympatico ;)

[Wulfmann]

Wulfmann it's more than just the Hermes and some textures. Yup someone ought to make an objective comparison (again).

I can only look into what I was involved in. That is why I want to track the Hermes as there was no reason to use a simple C-Class conversion already done and then mod that when an original C-Class would have been just as easy.
What would be gained? Nothing, nada.
That is what puzzles me and why I asked Combat99 to look into who built this so we might clear it up or at least figure it out. And why I want more info from Serg.

Wulfmann

[kiwi_2005]

I read here once that since Ubisoft own the rights to SH3 any mods that come out ubisoft have access to do what they want with them, and X1 was given the okay by ubisoft so they have every right to use the mods?

Dont get me wrong if the above is true then that sucks, but is this right?

[Takeda Shingen]

I read here once that since Ubisoft own the rights to SH3 any mods that come out ubisoft have access to do what they want with them, and X1 was given the okay by ubisoft so they have every right to use the mods?

Dont get me wrong if the above is true then that sucks, but is this right?

Yes, legally, X1 Software is entitled to do so with the permission of UbiSoft. Ethically, their actions are wrong. However, the ethics of intellectual property use do not seem to be of much consequence to this 'company'. The real travesty from all of this is that it has changed the manner in which mods have been distributed to the public. After all, what amateur programmer wants to spend hour up hour of work to create something that will ultimately be stolen for profit.

The best that any of us can do is simply not purchase the product.

[_Seth_]

What if some jerk took one of the excellent U-boat stories people has written here on subsim, and gathered them in a book, and then sold them and made å whole lot of money? Well, noone owns the language used, or the words, but the composition is the authors property. X1 is stealing, no doubt. :shifty:

[joea]

Interesting post here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=857101043&m=7011094774&r=3541065774#3541065774

Was everyone listed on the credits paid? :hmm:

[Achtung Englander]

What if some jerk took one of the excellent U-boat stories people has written here on subsim, and gathered them in a book, and then sold them and made å whole lot of money? Well, noone owns the language used, or the words, but the composition is the authors property. X1 is stealing, no doubt. :shifty:

well said !

[HunterICX]

In a way about this X1 stealing stuff is clear to all of us.

They stole the mod and quickly edited some minor stuff just to make it slight different but the main part is from the stolen mod.

Now place yourself as an SH3 Mod maker, you spend with a team 6 months to gather plans and info what you are going to make, you spend hours a day coding like crazy just to make something even better then it was. You make it look better and play better.

After months of hard work ‘’It’s ready’’ but you and your team are so kind to publish the mod for everyone. You do not charge anything for it. Their only request is that you enjoy what you received from them.

Now some Company catches their eyes on it and sees it’s very popular among the SH3 gamers. They see money in it. They download the mod; they dig into the Data files with an Editor. They tried to hide the fact that they stole by editing small things like changing a 1 into a 2 in a data file. They publish it on a CD that you can order online

Now back to you as a moderator…you hear about this Expansion pack. And of course you are going to check it out. After a short time you notice similar things as in you own created mod. You are going to check out the data files and you see your own WORK in it but only with some minor changes….I’ll bet if I saw that I would explode! You bought your OWN created MOD stolen by an company that just f*cked you in the @ss

Now, just to compare. You spend months into the mod you created and they just took it from you edited some small thing that takes less time and they publish it and get money for it. And the best part they do not give any credits for the original Creator.

How would you feel if someone stole what you made and makes profit of it?
I’ll say someone just stuck an middle finger up your butt and turned it around an few times, because they do not give a sh!t because they earn money from it.

Just my 2 cents that I spend making this @Work:roll:

[_Seth_]

@ HunterICX: excellent said! :D

[Pants]

In a way about this X1 stealing stuff is clear to all of us.

They stole the mod and quickly edited some minor stuff just to make it slight different but the main part is from the stolen mod.

Now place yourself as an SH3 Mod maker, you spend with a team 6 months to gather plans and info what you are going to make, you spend hours a day coding like crazy just to make something even better then it was. You make it look better and play better.

After months of hard work ‘’It’s ready’’ but you and your team are so kind to publish the mod for everyone. You do not charge anything for it. Their only request is that you enjoy what you received from them.

Now some Company catches their eyes on it and sees it’s very popular among the SH3 gamers. They see money in it. They download the mod; they dig into the Data files with an Editor. They tried to hide the fact that they stole by editing small things like changing a 1 into a 2 in a data file. They publish it on a CD that you can order online

Now back to you as a moderator…you hear about this Expansion pack. And of course you are going to check it out. After a short time you notice similar things as in you own created mod. You are going to check out the data files and you see your own WORK in it but only with some minor changes….I’ll bet if I saw that I would explode! You bought your OWN created MOD stolen by an company that just f*cked you in the @ss

Now, just to compare. You spend months into the mod you created and they just took it from you edited some small thing that takes less time and they publish it and get money for it. And the best part they do not give any credits for the original Creator.

How would you feel if someone stole what you made and makes profit of it?
I’ll say someone just stuck an middle finger up your butt and turned it around an few times, because they do not give a sh!t because they earn money from it.

Just my 2 cents that I spend making this @Work:roll: Here here, Well said..:up:
Things like this questions the reason " why do we bother " then we realise SH3 is a damn fine game, the SH3 community ( for the most part ) is excellent and SS forums are a friendy place to be rather than ubi forums.

[Wulfmann]

In a way about this X1 stealing stuff is clear to all of us.

They stole the mod and quickly edited some minor stuff just to make it slight different but the main part is from the stolen mod.

Now place yourself as an SH3 Mod maker, you spend with a team 6 months to gather plans and info what you are going to make, you spend hours a day coding like crazy just to make something even better then it was. You make it look better and play better.

After months of hard work ‘’It’s ready’’ but you and your team are so kind to publish the mod for everyone. You do not charge anything for it. Their only request is that you enjoy what you received from them.

Now some Company catches their eyes on it and sees it’s very popular among the SH3 gamers. They see money in it. They download the mod; they dig into the Data files with an Editor. They tried to hide the fact that they stole by editing small things like changing a 1 into a 2 in a data file. They publish it on a CD that you can order online


SW med was in my PC long before GreyWolves was released. You may choose to ignore that but I know it as fact and have email patches that the dates can easily prove.
I may even have the envelopes that the various CDs came in with dates but I doubt if facts would be considered relevant

Now, anyone that has Greywolves and has bought SW-Med knows very well there is almost nothing that is the same. They are as different as night and day.
SW was done and waiting before GW was released. Can you understand that simple fact?

The ships you are talking about of which I asked and am getting no response to my questions, there were a couple that were included that should not have been. One of Serg's CLs was being used as a place marker waiting for UBI approval to put in a ground up new model. UBI had not approved it by release time so that was left in until a patch could replace it with the new version.
Legally they have a right to do so.
There are but a few guys involved making SW and they really do not compare in numbers to the Greywolves team. That and with so many people of various talents the NYGM and GW teams are, IMO, the best modders.
But. SW has UBI permission. The others do not.
That may not be popular but it happens to be how it is.

Now, can I get some clarification on the Hermes please so I can try and surmize how making a Hermes from a modded C-Class rather than an original C-Class made any difference at all.
Since what really made it a ZG-3 was not even on the supposed "stolen" DD but was added to the SW one.
This makes no sense to me at all.

Wulfmann

[Pants]

SW med was in my PC long before GreyWolves was released. You may choose to ignore that but I know it as fact and have email patches that the dates can easily prove.
I may even have the envelopes that the various CDs came in with dates but I doubt if facts would be considered relevant
He did not mention GW at all in that post..So you having SW on your machine before GW is irrelevant..


Now, anyone that has Greywolves and has bought SW-Med knows very well there is almost nothing that is the same. They are as different as night and day.
SW was done and waiting before GW was released. Can you understand that simple fact?
The reason they are different is because GW is constantly being upgraded And GW 1.1 was released after SW.. if the other way arround who know's if GW content would be in SW..



The ships you are talking about of which I asked and am getting no response to my questions, there were a couple that were included that should not have been. One of Serg's CLs was being used as a place marker waiting for UBI approval to put in a ground up new model. UBI had not approved it by release time so that was left in until a patch could replace it with the new version.
Legally they have a right to do so.
can't reply to this best left to serg


There are but a few guys involved making SW and they really do not compare in numbers to the Greywolves team. That and with so many people of various talents the NYGM and GW teams are, IMO, the best modders.
Can't speak for NYGM but from the GWX team thx for the compliment


But. SW has UBI permission. The others do not.
That may not be popular but it happens to be how it is.
unfortunate but true

Now, can I get some clarification on the Hermes please so I can try and surmize how making a Hermes from a modded C-Class rather than an original C-Class made any difference at all.
Since what really made it a ZG-3 was not even on the supposed "stolen" DD but was added to the SW one.
This makes no sense to me at all.

Wulfmann
What he is refering to is the FACT that they had taken without consent for the first X-1 mod, and now they seem to have done the same again.

I know UBI have the last say on things even UBI soft as stated it's not an offical add-on why? Because they are covering themselves..and in the current state of affairs who can blame them..

[joea]

SW had permission for a payware mod. :shifty: Ths does not mean others can't mod this, serg has explained this. Plus there are possibly quite a few mods stolen that we have to test and clarify.

[mr chris]

This is taken from the readme of serg's new PT boats.
THIS MOD CAN'T BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES OF ANY KIND.
I think that is quite a straight forward sentance that even the people at X1 can understand and read.
I for one and discusted that people can get away with stealing other peoples hard work. I know what some say "that well its freeware and not made with ubi permission and only X1 have there permission to mod the game. so they can use what ever they like" That to me just makes ubi just as gulity as X1 when it comes to stealing modders hard work cause they must know what X1 are going to put in there addon. And at the very least they should ask if they may use a mod buy contacting the modder and asking his permission. But alas this not the way the world works which in my view is very sad.
The fact that they have done this twice now just stinks.:nope: :nope:
I just hope that this business does not put off the great modders of this game from making future mods of this game.

[Pants]

This is taken from the readme of serg's new PT boats.
THIS MOD CAN'T BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES OF ANY KIND.
I think that is quite a straight forward sentance that even the people at X1 can understand and read.
I for one and discusted that people can get away with stealing other peoples hard work. I know what some say "that well its freeware and not made with ubi permission and only X1 have there permission to mod the game. so they can use what ever they like" That to me just makes ubi just as gulity as X1 when it comes to stealing modders hard work cause they must know what X1 are going to put in there addon. And at the very least they should ask if they may use a mod buy contacting the modder and asking his permission. But alas this not the way the world works which in my view is very sad.
The fact that they have done this twice now just stinks.:nope: :nope:
I just hope that this business does not put off the great modders of this game from making future mods of this game.

I agree mate...hopefully X-1 and combatplanes will get the message and perhaps make a " propper Add-on " with out using other *cough* borrowed content...right now GWX and NYGM are the better options IMO :up:

BTW mr chris love the sig :rock:

[Reece]

Not much anyone can do about it unfortunately, we know they have no ethics when it come to MONEY! I do wonder if UBI is getting some sort of kick-back from the SW Mod?:-?
One thing that worries me though is the fact that SH3 is very moddable & done this way for our benefit, & would not like to see future versions totally hard coded, now that would suck!:x So I think we should be very carefull not to upset UBI or the devs too much!:oops: although I still think X1's ethics stink!:roll:
Cheers.

[Wulfmann]

From Mr Pants post:
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Originally Posted by Wulfmann
Now, can I get some clarification on the Hermes please so I can try and surmize how making a Hermes from a modded C-Class rather than an original C-Class made any difference at all.
Since what really made it a ZG-3 was not even on the supposed "stolen" DD but was added to the SW one.
This makes no sense to me at all.

Wulfmann

Pants replied! What he is referring to is the FACT that they had taken without consent for the first X-1 mod, and now they seem to have done the same again.

He mentioned specific things like the Hermes and I replied and asked to have this addressed but have heard nothing. I would like to find out how this happened if it is correct.



Mr Chris, what you saying is Serg states:
“This Ubisoft copyrighted material I have no authorization to modify can not be used by Ubisoft or any authorized agent of Ubisoft”
That is the legality of what you say. Even making an original skin has been made to utilize the layout of Ubisoft material.
About the only thing I think can be argued are complete ground up ships like HMS Hood, Roma and Graf Zeppelin. Ships converted from any Ubisoft ship is the property of UBI and is useable by UBI any authorized agent.
We are not talking about fairness or morality here. We are talking about what is lawful business practice.
You make your opinions heard at the cash register (That would be click to buy now) but one fact that this community is in denial over is the fact the non mod community is far bigger than ours, does not hear us, know us or cares what we do or think and will not be influenced by our whining.
Who does hear us is Ubisoft, the SH3 dev that may decide to hard code thing for tiring of hearing us cry.
That happened to CFS3. We cried so load about the horrible sim that was wide open in many ways and when all new (By freeware mods) everything was made is far superior to anything else. But, those that are willing to do that much work are a tiny segment of the CFS world and IL-2 was more successful as it may have been inferior (To the modded CFS3 it was much better than the original CFS3) but it was much easier to plug and play and not require an editing degree.
We have to realize one simple point the I hate X-1 and I am willing to destroy sub sims forever to get my way, crowd: There is a difference to “Being right” and “Having the right”. Being right could cost us future open capacity (I do not know this to be true) and diminish what we enjoy because we want to attack those that utilize mods that actually they have every (“Legal, not moral”) right to use.

We can hurt ourselves more than help if we make too much out of something we can do nothing about

Wulfmann

[stabiz]

Well, I will never buy any X1 software, however good it is, since I belive in the power of example.

It would have been so, so easy for X1 to credit the modders in some way, and even pay them a small fee. It is obviously important for them to "lend" material - or they would make it themselves - and in the end everyone at subsim and UBI-forums would by it, escpecially since parts of it came from our own ranks.

[mr chris]

It would have been so, so easy for X1 to credit the modders in some way, and even pay them a small fee. It is obviously important for them to "lend" material - or they would make it themselves - and in the end everyone at subsim and UBI-forums would by it, escpecially since parts of it came from our own ranks.

Totaly agree with that stabiz:up:

[joea]

From Mr Pants post:

We have to realize one simple point the I hate X-1 and I am willing to destroy sub sims forever to get my way, crowd: There is a difference to “Being right” and “Having the right”. Being right could cost us future open capacity (I do not know this to be true) and diminish what we enjoy because we want to attack those that utilize mods that actually they have every (“Legal, not moral”) right to use.

We can hurt ourselves more than help if we make too much out of something we can do nothing about

Wulfmann
Are you really saying that X1/CP had the legal right to use mods created by others and sell them? I call BS. Stop characterising those who stand for honesty as wanting to destroy sub sims.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

wulffman can u plz stop spamming the subsim forums with ur PRO SW fanboy posts

if anyone here remembers i created a poll wether wulfmann shud be banned from the sh3 ubi forums cuz he was promoting stolen software , amazingly the highest percentage was that pple wanted him banned then the mods came in and locked the poll:nope::nope::nope:, personnaly i think the modders shud team up and sue the bastards (x1 and combatplanes) or in retaliation to ubi we all DOWNLOAD (yes dl) Sh4 when it comes out to teach ubi a lesson that them allowing a company to steal our friendly neigbourhood modder's hard work is unacceptable, i will be downloading sh4 not buying unless x1 is sued and/or stopped by ubi and SW be taken off the shelves.

[Wulfmann]

wulffman can u plz stop spamming the subsim forums with ur PRO SW fanboy posts

if anyone here remembers i created a poll wether wulfmann shud be banned from the sh3 ubi forums cuz he was promoting stolen software , amazingly the highest percentage was that pple wanted him banned then the mods came in and locked the poll:nope::nope::nope:, personnaly i think the modders shud team up and sue the bastards (x1 and combatplanes) or in retaliation to ubi we all DOWNLOAD (yes dl) Sh4 when it comes out to teach ubi a lesson that them allowing a company to steal our friendly neigbourhood modder's hard work is unacceptable, i will be downloading sh4 not buying unless x1 is sued and/or stopped by ubi and SW be taken off the shelves.

Interesting. Sorry I did not see the ban.
I am not sure but since that was not a moderator doing such a poll would not that be a witch hunt?
Do we insist people do as they are told by certain people and anyone that is not in line be sent where? A camp away from the good people. You can then post a sign saying “Wulfmann Frei” at the city limits and insist I was removed for my protection to a safe camp in Poland!
Sieg Heil!!!

Did you even bother to read that post before you stuck your right hand out?
Can I expect the sound of broken glass some night soon?

To answer your question I will try and explain the legality you so desperately want to ignore. I will try and use small words as you obviously have little discernment.

We all agreed when we installed SH3 UBIsoft owns the copyrighted material. You had to click on it to continue the install. If you did not agree you could not proceed.
Therefore, anyone that modifies SH3 copyrighted material does not own that because it already belongs to Ubisoft.
Verstanden?
So, legally (as I said, not morally) any modded version of these UBI files belong to UBI and anyone they choose to authorize using them. They have so authorized X-1 and its partners to make an add on to SH3. They have not authorized Greywolves or RUB or NTGM.

There are two things that can happen here. You can protest by not buying playing and enjoying future UBI games or you can simply recognize, like it or not, they have a legal right to do this.
Of course there is a third alternative. You can complain so much they start locking the games so no mods can be done at all.
I have been playing SH3 nearly every day since last May 2005 and I can assure you without all the freeware mods I would have uninstalled by July 2005.

It is UBI’s sand box. If you don’t like it play somewhere else.

Now as far as being a fanboy, well I guess it is easy to cheap name call than face the facts. Since they do not stand up legally using such childish bullying tactics is in line with a brown shirted mentality.

I don’t see what the crowd says and sing along. I think outside the box and recognize the reality, ugly as it is in some way, and realize this so called injustice is also how we can mod the game for our enjoyment.


I find it funny because X-1 or Combat Planes are not here you make me the object of your wrath.

You obviously have me confused with someone that gives a Scheise!

Your bestis bud in the world:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Wulfmann

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