Is the swastika too offensive?

[August]

Since you seem to have tunnel vision and are locked into your hatred of a symbol that actullay means MORE than just the Nazi empire, I am done with talking to you. I suggest you stay away freom the soutwestern United States and remain in your cocoon in the East. Swastika symbols out here are as common as the US flag. Your mind would simply not be able to handle it.

I notice you ducked the question mister self appointed film psychology expert :roll:, but before you run away from our little discussion may i suggest that you consider taking some reading comprehension classes. You might embarrass yourself less often...:yep:

If you look back you'll note that all i have stated is why i think the swastika, especially in the nazi color scheme, has remained so hated for all this time, I have not mentioned my personal feelings on the symbol itself.

Also Suprise! :o Nowhere in this thread have i said that other meanings of the symbol are not valid either. I even specifically mentioned the southwestern states as an example where previous interpetations of the swastika will trump the nazi association.

So this whole sense of outrage and scorn you have is nothing but a fantasy you have created in your own mind. "Cocoon in the east" :roll::lol: did you think that one up yourself or read about it somewhere? :rotfl:

[Torplexed]

If a mad religious cult of cannibals used Hello Kitty as their symbol I think people would look at it differently too.
I'm fairly certain Hello Kitty already is a symbol of extreme evil.:p

http://neptoon.homestead.com/NaziKitty.jpg

[August]

I'm fairly certain Hello Kitty already is a symbol of extreme evil.:p

Man that's worse than zombie nazis! :o :p

[DeepIron]

http://www.northrim.net/jhouck/images/swastika-town_s.jpg

Swastika (swaz-TEE-kuh) is a small community founded in 1908 around a mining site in northern Ontario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ontario), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), and today within the municipal boundaries of Kirkland Lake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkland_Lake%2C_Ontario), Ontario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario)

During World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), the provincial government sought to change the town's name to Winston, in honour of Winston Churchill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill), but the town refused, insisting that the town had held the name long before the Nazis co-opted the symbol. Residents of Swastika used to tell the story of how the Ontario Department of Highways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Transportation_%28Ontario%29) would erect new signs on the roads at the edge of the town. At night the residents would tear these signs down and put up their own signs proclaiming the town to be "Swastika".

[Lt West]

http://rexcurry.net/swastika-braid-hindu.jpg
This is the indian symbol of peace
http://www.klisia.net/blog/swastika.png
This is the nazi symbol proof that other people use it for other things

[Deputy]

Or as they say...beauty (and evil) is in the eye of the beholder :yep:

One has to admit there is certainly something magnetic about the symbol, especially in the red/white/black color scheme. One's eye is immediately drawn to it. But I look at it and just see a WW2 emblem for an opposing force. It certainly doesn't strike terror, fear, hatred, or loathing in me. To me it's a HISTORICAL artifact, just like the bone of a dinosaur. :)

[Torplexed]

Yeah....there is something about that red/white/black scheme that appeals to an ugly part of human nature...

http://images.tdaxp.com/tdaxp_upload/ku_klux_klan_md.jpg http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3405/zvo6.jpg

[STEED]

If I had the power I would had closed this dead thread. :roll:

[joea]

Or as they say...beauty (and evil) is in the eye of the beholder :yep:

One has to admit there is certainly something magnetic about the symbol, especially in the red/white/black color scheme. One's eye is immediately drawn to it. But I look at it and just see a WW2 emblem for an opposing force. It certainly doesn't strike terror, fear, hatred, or loathing in me. To me it's a HISTORICAL artifact, just like the bone of a dinosaur. :)
Yes, I see your point. Now for the last time on this thread, have you or will you read the links I posted?

[August]

Or as they say...beauty (and evil) is in the eye of the beholder :yep:

One has to admit there is certainly something magnetic about the symbol, especially in the red/white/black color scheme. One's eye is immediately drawn to it. But I look at it and just see a WW2 emblem for an opposing force. It certainly doesn't strike terror, fear, hatred, or loathing in me. To me it's a HISTORICAL artifact, just like the bone of a dinosaur. :)
Yes, I see your point. Now for the last time on this thread, have you or will you read the links I posted?

Don't hold your breath Joe. Deputy strikes me as someone who is quite comfortable in their ignorance.

[Deputy]

Or as they say...beauty (and evil) is in the eye of the beholder :yep:

One has to admit there is certainly something magnetic about the symbol, especially in the red/white/black color scheme. One's eye is immediately drawn to it. But I look at it and just see a WW2 emblem for an opposing force. It certainly doesn't strike terror, fear, hatred, or loathing in me. To me it's a HISTORICAL artifact, just like the bone of a dinosaur. :)
Yes, I see your point. Now for the last time on this thread, have you or will you read the links I posted?

You just posted a link to a zillion OTHER links. And no, I am not going to read all of them. The links I posted went DIRECTLY to the point...that even if you take the LOW numbers of Soviet killings during their regime, it STILL exceeds any of the numbers of killings by Nazis.

And I see that August just can't take someone taking an opposing view. One more personal attack and he gets reported.

[Rockin Robbins]

They serve the necessary purpose of identifying possibly dangerous idiots! Suppose those two guys in the KKK robes were in street clothes. They'd blend right in with normal people. Fortunately they and neo-nazis have an irrational need to wear silly sheets and swastikas, thereby making much nicer targets. Who are we to deny them the means of revealing their insanity? Someday we may have to round them up.

[August]

And I see that August just can't take someone taking an opposing view. One more personal attack and he gets reported.
Hey go ahead and report me pal. You're the one who started this pissing contest not me.

[Deputy]

And I see that August just can't take someone taking an opposing view. One more personal attack and he gets reported.
Hey go ahead and report me pal. You're the one who started this pissing contest not me.

You're the one that can't take an opposing view and resorts to personal insults.

[August]

And I see that August just can't take someone taking an opposing view. One more personal attack and he gets reported.
Hey go ahead and report me pal. You're the one who started this pissing contest not me.
You're the one that can't take an opposing view and resorts to personal insults.

Dude, for the last time we didn't HAVE an opposing view! I posted why I thought hatred for the swastika was so enduring and you replied with some claim that I "have tunnel vision" and that i am "locked into hatred" of the symbol followed up with some vague threat about staying out of the southwest.

Now its not my fault that you have poor reading comprehension so go ahead and complain if you want to.

[joea]

You just posted a link to a zillion OTHER links. And no, I am not going to read all of them. The links I posted went DIRECTLY to the point...that even if you take the LOW numbers of Soviet killings during their regime, it STILL exceeds any of the numbers of killings by Nazis.

And I see that August just can't take someone taking an opposing view. One more personal attack and he gets reported.
Well I see I agree with August about some things, I posted TWO wikipedia links and a link to some papers by a history professor. You can choose one or two of the papers to read like:
"The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933" by Mark Tauger
http://www.as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Tauger,%20'The%201932%20Harvest%20and%20the%20Fami ne%20of%201933,%20SR%2091.pdf (http://www.as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Tauger,%20%27The%201932%20Harvest%20and%20the%20Fa mine%20of%201933,%20SR%2091.pdf)

or "Stalin, Grain Stocks and the Famine of 1932-1933" by R.W. Davies, M.W. Tauger and S.G. Wheatcroft.
http://www.as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Davies,%20Tauger,%20and%20Wheatcroft,%20'Stalin,%2 0Grain%20Stocks...',%20SR%2095.pdf (http://www.as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Davies,%20Tauger,%20and%20Wheatcroft,%20%27Stalin, %20Grain%20Stocks...%27,%20SR%2095.pdf)

Not a "zillion" links, that statement is laughable and I can't take what you say seriously after that, what do you think researchers do in serious study? They plow throw "zillions" of links, books, articles. We are mostly amateurs (well I do have a an MA and a DEA in history ;) ) but if you want to argue then try to look at the other side as well. Your words "I am not going to read all of them" surely means you won't read ANY of them.

I am really sick of all the ignorant people, racist and nazi and axis apologists on this site. Sorry that line will stand.

[Tessa]

Or as they say...beauty (and evil) is in the eye of the beholder :yep:

One has to admit there is certainly something magnetic about the symbol, especially in the red/white/black color scheme. One's eye is immediately drawn to it. But I look at it and just see a WW2 emblem for an opposing force. It certainly doesn't strike terror, fear, hatred, or loathing in me. To me it's a HISTORICAL artifact, just like the bone of a dinosaur. :)

If one could either strip away any bias, or approach someone that's never had any knowledge of the events between 1932 - 1945 and showed them the Nazi flag they would probably have a very direct response to it. The wouldn't have any idea its history and connotations, but would most likely comment that it is bold and whatever country it is from must be really strong.

As mentioned before, the swaztika is a very good or virtuous symbol, one that you can still find today if you just look closely at stuff (see it a lot in Chinese furniture). It's understandable how many have such negative emotions over it, personally I feel the concentration camp survivors have it far worse. Every day they're reminded when they look at their arm, and then the uncomfortable social awkwardness it presents when seen by others for the first time.

[Palindromeria]

The swastika itself is NOT a symbol of hatred

yes it is.
its still being used as a symbol of hate.

if you cant understand why some people find this offensive ,
just google "swastika" and "synagogue".

While some of you may not recall,
in the heyday of AOD, there were a number of websites that not
only used the swastika, but used the game to lead to and promote Neo Nazi ideals.

That Neal Stevens effectively pre empted all of this BS,
instantly removing my concern of whether or not i was dealing with
sub simmers or neo nazi wackjobs.

thanks for that !

[Deputy]

The swastika itself is NOT a symbol of hatred

yes it is.
its still being used as a symbol of hate.

if you cant understand why some people find this offensive ,
just google "swastika" and "synagogue".

While some of you may not recall,
in the heyday of AOD, there were a number of websites that not
only used the swastika, but used the game to lead to and promote Neo Nazi ideals.

That Neal Stevens effectively pre empted all of this BS,
instantly removing my concern of whether or not i was dealing with
sub simmers or neo nazi wackjobs.

thanks for that !

Here's the current "symbol of hate" that is STILL in use.

http://membres.lycos.fr/fcnx/communiste.gif

Amazing that people whip themselves into a frenzy about a tiny number of looney neo-Nazis, when there are WHOLE COUNTRIES under the yoke of Communist Slavery.

[mrbeast]

The swastika itself is NOT a symbol of hatred

yes it is.
its still being used as a symbol of hate.

if you cant understand why some people find this offensive ,
just google "swastika" and "synagogue".

While some of you may not recall,
in the heyday of AOD, there were a number of websites that not
only used the swastika, but used the game to lead to and promote Neo Nazi ideals.

That Neal Stevens effectively pre empted all of this BS,
instantly removing my concern of whether or not i was dealing with
sub simmers or neo nazi wackjobs.

thanks for that !

Here's the current "symbol of hate" that is STILL in use.

http://membres.lycos.fr/fcnx/communiste.gif

Amazing that people whip themselves into a frenzy about a tiny number of looney neo-Nazis, when there are WHOLE COUNTRIES under the yoke of Communist Slavery.

Not really a symbol of hate though is it.

[August]

Not really a symbol of hate though is it.

Yeah i've yet to see the hammer and sickle spray painted on someones house or gravestone.

[Deputy]

The swastika itself is NOT a symbol of hatred

yes it is.
its still being used as a symbol of hate.

if you cant understand why some people find this offensive ,
just google "swastika" and "synagogue".

While some of you may not recall,
in the heyday of AOD, there were a number of websites that not
only used the swastika, but used the game to lead to and promote Neo Nazi ideals.

That Neal Stevens effectively pre empted all of this BS,
instantly removing my concern of whether or not i was dealing with
sub simmers or neo nazi wackjobs.

thanks for that !

Here's the current "symbol of hate" that is STILL in use.

http://membres.lycos.fr/fcnx/communiste.gif

Amazing that people whip themselves into a frenzy about a tiny number of looney neo-Nazis, when there are WHOLE COUNTRIES under the yoke of Communist Slavery.

Not really a symbol of hate though is it.

Nahhh...you're right. It's a symbol of love and peace and good fellowship. :roll:
Perhaps the millions of dead dead from all the Communist uprisings might disagree with you, though.

[mrbeast]

The swastika itself is NOT a symbol of hatred

yes it is.
its still being used as a symbol of hate.

if you cant understand why some people find this offensive ,
just google "swastika" and "synagogue".

While some of you may not recall,
in the heyday of AOD, there were a number of websites that not
only used the swastika, but used the game to lead to and promote Neo Nazi ideals.

That Neal Stevens effectively pre empted all of this BS,
instantly removing my concern of whether or not i was dealing with
sub simmers or neo nazi wackjobs.

thanks for that !

Here's the current "symbol of hate" that is STILL in use.

http://membres.lycos.fr/fcnx/communiste.gif

Amazing that people whip themselves into a frenzy about a tiny number of looney neo-Nazis, when there are WHOLE COUNTRIES under the yoke of Communist Slavery.

Not really a symbol of hate though is it.

Nahhh...you're right. It's a symbol of love and peace and good fellowship. :roll:
Perhaps the millions of dead dead from all the Communist uprisings might disagree with you, though.

I didn't say it was a symbol of love or peace.

And as August says how many hammers and sicklesdo you see daubed on graves or used to intimidate people?

The problem is that you are looking at the issue in a very simplistic and unsubtle way.

For example you refer to 'commies' as if communism was a monolithic 'evil empire'.

The hammer and sickle are a universal symbol of communism but it wasn't communism that caused the deaths of millions in Russia and China etc; it was Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the totalitarian regimes that they presided over. If someone paraded pictures of Stalin around in the way neo-nazis parade the swastika, I would find that fairly offensive.

[Takeda Shingen]

And we reach the site-mandated end of discussion. Personally, I think that we should sticky this one as a warning to the dangers of zombie threads, but I should probably just lock it. And so it is.

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