PDA

View Full Version : The Perfect Silent Hunter Game (German U-Boot Simulation)


mangaroca
08-28-06, 09:11 AM
Things I’d put into Silent Hunter V… :know:

- living world; with dynamic weather (sun, rain, thunderstorm, blizzard), seasons, climates (from arctic to tropical) and environments (water, air, ground), all changing respectively and depending on each other (e.g. arctic 24-hour night in winter or day in summer)
- historically accurate WWII course; with all the countries that participated in it, their equipment and biggest battles
- time stretch between September, 1939 to May, 1945
- historically accurate technical progress in all armies
- the mentioned above biggest WWII battles taking place even without the player’s participation
- historically accurate U-Boot Flotillas and their “fate” (patrolling, sinking allied convoys and being sunk just like it was in reality, existing and operating solo or in wolf packs that respond and act to the player’s input and efforts)
- historically accurate convoys and convoy routes with exact set out dates, speeds and number of both merchant and escort ships present (Clay Blair’s “Hitler’s U-Boot War” may come in handy), player caused sinks delete those vessels from the campaign
- a totally different script concerning every sea vessel, based on buoyancy and displacement (positive keeps it surfaced, negative causes it to sink)
- ships divided into compartments (more or less vulnerable) that have hit points, by damaging or destroying them those below the waterline start to fill with water (the game checks draught), the lesser the damage in % the slower the water gets in – e.g.:

A cargo compartment on a ship (this compartment’s buoyancy = 50% and it’s size in comparison to the whole ship = 60%) damaged at 70% causes it to flood at the speed of 70%; after it fills with water the ship will only be 50% buoyant (and will probably sink) but the time needed for it to fill in was an outcome of the damage done to that compartment (70%) and that compartment’s size aspect ratio to the whole ship (60%). So, this ship’s sinking time is a time at which the compartment that equals 60% of all the ship’s compartments fills with water at a rate of 70%.

- torpedoes, depth charges and HE ammunition have a maximum number of hit points that a single weapon or shell can but rarely implements (100% hit points implemented = critical hit)
- better sea texturing responsible for wakes and splashes (separate wake for right and left propellers, more splashes during sinking, etc.)
- visible damages on all vessels (more particle effects and 3d mesh change, objects ripped off, falling into the water (no buoyancy = sinking :))
- visible people on board all ships including the U-Boot (people from sunken ships fall into the water, drown, are being rescued, die of hypothermia or starvation)
- after U-Boot attack, escort ships divide into those that try to find & destroy it and those that help the victims
- rescue rafts and boats (also with hit points)
- radio news resemble events, they are not only words (e.g.: Germany captured Paris = visible change on the map, wolf pack “Burgraff” attacking convoy AN123 in grid BF69 = this really is happening there and the outcome of that battle will be historically correct)
- it is possible to put charges on enemy merchant and blow it up without using torpedoes or gunfire
- it is possible to pick up survivors from the water
- it is possible to imprison enemy captain if he survives and is picked up from the water
- it is possible to take a prize ship (send a few men as her crew and bring her to port – only possible with small and slightly damaged ships)
- it is possible to kill everyone in the water with the flak gun
- extra place for survivors on the deck of the U-Boot (~40), good weather is a must
it is possible to walk around the U-Boot in 1st person mode, both outside and inside visiting ALL the U-Boot’s compartments filled with the crew and moving machinery
- the crew members can become ill, can have accidents (mechanics, torpedo loaders) or, in a stormy weather, they can get thrown overboard
- the U-Boot’s equipment may malfunction forcing the player to repair it or even get back to base (e.g. diesel damage)
- the player can write his/her own diary being onboard (something similar to window’s notepad)
- crew fatigue is not caused by keeping somebody in a specific compartment but by the amount and type of work performed by the person

All the unmentioned things should be kept as they are, e.g.: the generation of the random sea contacts, moon phases according to the years 1939-1945 and other things. Please, feel free to add anything You think could improve this list. Don't criticize... Instead, try to understand...

sandbag69
08-28-06, 09:58 AM
Things I’d put into Silent Hunter V… :know:

- living world; with dynamic weather (sun, rain, thunderstorm, blizzard), seasons, climates (from arctic to tropical) and environments (water, air, ground), all changing respectively and depending on each other (e.g. arctic 24-hour night in winter or day in summer)
- historically accurate WWII course; with all the countries that participated in it, their equipment and biggest battles
- time stretch between September, 1939 to May, 1945
- historically accurate technical progress in all armies
- the mentioned above biggest WWII battles taking place even without the player’s participation
- historically accurate U-Boot Flotillas and their “fate” (patrolling, sinking allied convoys and being sunk just like it was in reality, existing and operating solo or in wolf packs that respond and act to the player’s input and efforts)
- historically accurate convoys and convoy routes with exact set out dates, speeds and number of both merchant and escort ships present (Clay Blair’s “Hitler’s U-Boot War” may come in handy), player caused sinks delete those vessels from the campaign
- a totally different script concerning every sea vessel, based on buoyancy and displacement (positive keeps it surfaced, negative causes it to sink)
- ships divided into compartments (more or less vulnerable) that have hit points, by damaging or destroying them those below the waterline start to fill with water (the game checks draught), the lesser the damage in % the slower the water gets in – e.g.:

A cargo compartment on a ship (this compartment’s buoyancy = 50% and it’s size in comparison to the whole ship = 60%) damaged at 70% causes it to flood at the speed of 70%; after it fills with water the ship will only be 50% buoyant (and will probably sink) but the time needed for it to fill in was an outcome of the damage done to that compartment (70%) and that compartment’s size aspect ratio to the whole ship (60%). So, this ship’s sinking time is a time at which the compartment that equals 60% of all the ship’s compartments fills with water at a rate of 70%.

- torpedoes, depth charges and HE ammunition have a maximum number of hit points that a single weapon or shell can but rarely implements (100% hit points implemented = critical hit)
- better sea texturing responsible for wakes and splashes (separate wake for right and left propellers, more splashes during sinking, etc.)
- visible damages on all vessels (more particle effects and 3d mesh change, objects ripped off, falling into the water (no buoyancy = sinking :))
- visible people on board all ships including the U-Boot (people from sunken ships fall into the water, drown, are being rescued, die of hypothermia or starvation)
- after U-Boot attack, escort ships divide into those that try to find & destroy it and those that help the victims
- rescue rafts and boats (also with hit points)
- radio news resemble events, they are not only words (e.g.: Germany captured Paris = visible change on the map, wolf pack “Burgraff” attacking convoy AN123 in grid BF69 = this really is happening there and the outcome of that battle will be historically correct)
- it is possible to put charges on enemy merchant and blow it up without using torpedoes or gunfire
- it is possible to pick up survivors from the water
- it is possible to imprison enemy captain if he survives and is picked up from the water
- it is possible to take a prize ship (send a few men as her crew and bring her to port – only possible with small and slightly damaged ships)
- it is possible to kill everyone in the water with the flak gun
- extra place for survivors on the deck of the U-Boot (~40), good weather is a must
it is possible to walk around the U-Boot in 1st person mode, both outside and inside visiting ALL the U-Boot’s compartments filled with the crew and moving machinery
- the crew members can become ill, can have accidents (mechanics, torpedo loaders) or, in a stormy weather, they can get thrown overboard
- the U-Boot’s equipment may malfunction forcing the player to repair it or even get back to base (e.g. diesel damage)
- the player can write his/her own diary being onboard (something similar to window’s notepad)
- crew fatigue is not caused by keeping somebody in a specific compartment but by the amount and type of work performed by the person

All the unmentioned things should be kept as they are, e.g.: the generation of the random sea contacts, moon phases according to the years 1939-1945 and other things. Please, feel free to add anything You think could improve this list. Don't criticize... Instead, try to understand...

Think you might need the new TARDIS mod for this level of realism:damn:

enaceo
08-28-06, 10:02 AM
Things I’d put into Silent Hunter V… :know:

- living world; with dynamic weather (sun, rain, thunderstorm, blizzard), seasons, climates (from arctic to tropical) and environments (water, air, ground), all changing respectively and depending on each other (e.g. arctic 24-hour night in winter or day in summer)
- historically accurate WWII course; with all the countries that participated in it, their equipment and biggest battles
- time stretch between September, 1939 to May, 1945
- historically accurate technical progress in all armies
- the mentioned above biggest WWII battles taking place even without the player’s participation
- historically accurate U-Boot Flotillas and their “fate” (patrolling, sinking allied convoys and being sunk just like it was in reality, existing and operating solo or in wolf packs that respond and act to the player’s input and efforts)
- historically accurate convoys and convoy routes with exact set out dates, speeds and number of both merchant and escort ships present (Clay Blair’s “Hitler’s U-Boot War” may come in handy), player caused sinks delete those vessels from the campaign
- a totally different script concerning every sea vessel, based on buoyancy and displacement (positive keeps it surfaced, negative causes it to sink)
- ships divided into compartments (more or less vulnerable) that have hit points, by damaging or destroying them those below the waterline start to fill with water (the game checks draught), the lesser the damage in % the slower the water gets in – e.g.:

A cargo compartment on a ship (this compartment’s buoyancy = 50% and it’s size in comparison to the whole ship = 60%) damaged at 70% causes it to flood at the speed of 70%; after it fills with water the ship will only be 50% buoyant (and will probably sink) but the time needed for it to fill in was an outcome of the damage done to that compartment (70%) and that compartment’s size aspect ratio to the whole ship (60%). So, this ship’s sinking time is a time at which the compartment that equals 60% of all the ship’s compartments fills with water at a rate of 70%.

- torpedoes, depth charges and HE ammunition have a maximum number of hit points that a single weapon or shell can but rarely implements (100% hit points implemented = critical hit)
- better sea texturing responsible for wakes and splashes (separate wake for right and left propellers, more splashes during sinking, etc.)
- visible damages on all vessels (more particle effects and 3d mesh change, objects ripped off, falling into the water (no buoyancy = sinking :))
- visible people on board all ships including the U-Boot (people from sunken ships fall into the water, drown, are being rescued, die of hypothermia or starvation)
- after U-Boot attack, escort ships divide into those that try to find & destroy it and those that help the victims
- rescue rafts and boats (also with hit points)
- radio news resemble events, they are not only words (e.g.: Germany captured Paris = visible change on the map, wolf pack “Burgraff” attacking convoy AN123 in grid BF69 = this really is happening there and the outcome of that battle will be historically correct)
- it is possible to put charges on enemy merchant and blow it up without using torpedoes or gunfire
- it is possible to pick up survivors from the water
- it is possible to imprison enemy captain if he survives and is picked up from the water
- it is possible to take a prize ship (send a few men as her crew and bring her to port – only possible with small and slightly damaged ships)
- it is possible to kill everyone in the water with the flak gun
- extra place for survivors on the deck of the U-Boot (~40), good weather is a must
it is possible to walk around the U-Boot in 1st person mode, both outside and inside visiting ALL the U-Boot’s compartments filled with the crew and moving machinery
- the crew members can become ill, can have accidents (mechanics, torpedo loaders) or, in a stormy weather, they can get thrown overboard
- the U-Boot’s equipment may malfunction forcing the player to repair it or even get back to base (e.g. diesel damage)
- the player can write his/her own diary being onboard (something similar to window’s notepad)
- crew fatigue is not caused by keeping somebody in a specific compartment but by the amount and type of work performed by the person

All the unmentioned things should be kept as they are, e.g.: the generation of the random sea contacts, moon phases according to the years 1939-1945 and other things. Please, feel free to add anything You think could improve this list. Don't criticize... Instead, try to understand...

1.Yeah weather and enviourments in SH needa major improvement.The weather needs to be more varied and dependent on seasons,and the enviourments the same.Almost all the land in SH3 looks exactly the same.The only slightly different things are the ports ,but they are also very similar.

2.The countries are already in ,but some more equipment differences and seeing some important battles take place would be in order(the battles might be included in SHIV it seems)

3.We can already play in that time-span in SH3 but in SHIV we will begin with Pearl Harbour sadly...but that's how it really happened so nothing you can really do with it.

4.That is ...slightly modeled in SH currently,but more major differences should be included.

5.Yes that would be very nice.I'd like to see tha battles take place somewhere other than my radio message.

6.Having other U-boats is something that I just can't understand why hasn't been included in SH3 and looks like we will also miss it in SHIV.
I'd like the other subs ,both enemy and friend ,to have the "real fate" but to let the player make his own.

7.That would be very hard to do ,but I would settle for random generated ship names in the logs or maybe even written on the ship,and random generated convoys based on routes.This has been modeled in Pirates of the Carribean ,a 3 year old game ,and although a very simple system it worked fine.

8 and 9-this has been modeled a bit in SH3 ,but it needs a lot more improvement.

10.An interesting ideea...
11 and onwards...about the graphics-more improved graphics would be always welcome,but not too much so as to cause choppyness.

About crew-men,capturing them ,keeping captains hostage...taking prisoners wasn't really "practiced" by U-boats,but they could take survivours and keep them "hostage" untill saved...but usually crewmen were saved by their own friendly ships .

Also,the dev team said they do not want to introduce the "crew in the water" feature .As much as I would like to see this I don't think I will....

Own crew accidents and malfunctions would also be a great addition.Also,crew transfers to other front u-boots or other things like that should also be implemented by the dev team.Thankfully,SH3CMDR does that for us now:D but let's hope it will be Ubi-implemented in the game.

The diary thing would also be a nice addition.
The fatigue system is heavily flawed if you ask me .They said it will be revised in SHIV .Let's hope it will be better in the further sequels of the game.