Nobel Prize for K-19 heroes

[Furia]

I have just found on Subsim News, THIS ONE (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10396866)

I am posting an excerpt of it:



On July 4 1961 large amounts of coolant leaked from the K-19's nuclear reactor after it overheated during a training exercise in the Atlantic Ocean.

What has been described as a 'Chernobyl-style' nuclear explosion was only averted after crewmembers repaired the reactor knowing that in doing so they would receive fatal doses of radiation.

Eight of the 139-strong crew died within a week, fourteen died within two years, twenty others suffered long term illnesses and cancers, and only 48 of the original crew are still alive.

The accident was hushed up for 30 years and only made public in 1990 under Mikhail Gorbachev's policy of glasnost or openness.

Earlier this year Mr Gorbachev proposed that the K-19's surviving crew members be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize arguing that an explosion could have sparked a third world war and been seen as 'a Soviet provocation' by the United States.


According to Nobel regualtions nominations can only be carried out by:


Qualified Nominators – Peace
The right to submit proposals for the Nobel Peace Prize, based on the principle of competence and universality, shall by statute be enjoyed by:
1. Members of national assemblies and governments of states;
2. Members of international courts;
3. University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes;
4. Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
5. Board members of organizations who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
6. Active and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; (proposals by members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after February 1) and
7. Former advisers appointed by the Norwegian Nobel Institute.

The Nobel Peace Prize may also be awarded to institutions and associations


So if you think they deserve the nomination and you have any contact with any of the nominating institutions or persons, you can help to recognice their sacrifice and efforts.
I think this reward would also recognice the Cold War Submariners of both sides that during Deterrent patrols prevented with their discipline, deedication and professionalism that Third World War happenened.

[TteFAboB]

The Nobel Peace Prize is one of the most bizzare and political of the Nobels. I don't think their definition of peace even matches mine. I'll vote yes because it's better this than the other competing alternatives.

[The Noob]

Yes!:up:

True Heroes.:yep:

[joea]

Yup I agree too.

[tycho102]

There have been some fearfully brave Russians over the years, and I'd rank the K-19 crew right up there at the top. Radiation "poisoning" is the suxx0r.

However, the "enlisted" crew members just did not know what to expect from that reactor, and the Communist Politburo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politburo_of_the_CPSU_Central_Committee) didn't care how many Russians died to maintain their power.

I imagine there are many brave North Koreans, too.

[Skybird]

Old chancellor Helmut Schmidt is one of only two persons in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany who refused to accept the highest medal Germany has on offer, the Bundesverdienstkreuz (our version of the congress medal). His spartan explanation: as a chancellor, it was simply his duty to do his best, and thus, fulfilling his duty does not require any additional recognition and reward. If he would accept that, then it wouldn't have been his duty. - Typical Schmidt, I love this old growling dog!

I voted No.

I am aware that the Nobel prize is abused and instrumentalised these days for pushing political agendas, and hoping for things that still did not realise (and for which to achieve the Nobel Prize originally was meant to be a reward, not an initialisation). the crew of K19 deserves the highest honours and support their military has to offer, and our respect and thankfulness, but they do not qualify for the criterions of the Nobel Peace Prize. Like those innumerable men that sacrificed their health at Chernobyl. It deserves respect, sympathy, and support. But it is not what the Nobel Peace Prize was meant for.

And if the Sowjets really would have cared so much for preventing a WWIII by accident - they always could have informed the West much earlier of what was going on.

[Takeda Shingen]

I voted No.

I am aware that the Nobel prize is abused and instrumentalised these days for pushing political agendas, and hoping for things that still did not realise (and for which to achieve the Nobel Prize originally was meant to be a reward, not an initialisation). the crew of K19 deserves the highest honours and support their military has to offer, and our respect and thankfulness, but they do not qualify for the criterions of the Nobel Peace Prize. Like those innumerable men that sacrificed their health at Chernobyl. It deserves respect, sympathy, and support. But it is not what the Nobel Peace Prize was meant for.

And if the Sowjets really would have cared so much for preventing a WWIII by accident - they always could have informed the West much earlier of what was going on.

I agree. Otherwise, we would have to give this award to every Soviet, British, German, American and French soldier that ever served in Berlin during the Cold War. After all, they held their fire for decades in a very tense environment, thus preventing open conflict between the USA and the USSR.

[STEED]

I don't care on the grounds the K-19 crew deserve something better than the Nobel prize.

[scandium]

Tough one. Voted 'no', not because they don't deserve the recognition - they deserve the highest recognition that their courage, sacrifice, and heroism, can be awarded - but awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to the crew of a nuclear submarine is not the appropriate recognition and a misuse of this particular award IMHO.

[Yahoshua]

I agree with Scandium here.

The crew does need recognition and credit for their heroic actions, but build a monument for them, and give them all medals for their selfless action.

They deserve that.

[Type941]

They should get money, a lot, to help make thier life as good as possible, for them and their relatives. Better too, lots of benefits as well.

Nobel prize? That thing is very political. It's like Eurovision. If Arafat could win a noble prize,... comon. Nobel prize is JOKE in my eyes in terms of what it tries to represent. Just give those sailors the money. So Scandium I agree with you in one sense, but to say it would be a missuse of that award... comon, that award is misused too much anyway. Giving it to Arafat, give me a break.

[Furia]

Seems that some people have a "idealistic" idea about what you need to deserve a Nobel Price.

Here are the actual winners until now:


1901 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1901.html)Peace, Henry Dunant (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1901/)
Peace, Frédéric Passy (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1901/)
1902 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1902.html)Peace, Élie Ducommun (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1902/)
Peace, Albert Gobat (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1902/)
1903 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1903.html)Peace, Randal Cremer (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1903/)
1904 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1904.html)Peace, Institute of International Law (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1904/)
1905 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1905.html)Peace, Bertha von Suttner (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1905/)
1906 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1906.html)Peace, Theodore Roosevelt (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1906/)
1907 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1907.html)Peace, Ernesto Teodoro Moneta (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1907/)
Peace, Louis Renault (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1907/)
1908 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1908.html)Peace, Klas Pontus Arnoldson (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1908/)
Peace, Fredrik Bajer (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1908/)
1909 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1909.html)Peace, Auguste Beernaert (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1909/)
Peace, Paul Henri d'Estournelles de Constant (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1909/)
1910 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1910.html)Peace, Permanent International Peace Bureau (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1910/)
1911 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1911.html)Peace, Tobias Asser (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1911/)
Peace, Alfred Fried (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1911/)
1912 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1912.html)Peace, Elihu Root (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1912/)
1913 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1913.html)Peace, Henri La Fontaine (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1913/)
1917 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1917.html)Peace, International Committee of the Red Cross (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1917/)
1919 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1919.html)Peace, Woodrow Wilson (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1919/)
1920 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1920.html)Peace, Léon Bourgeois (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1920/)
1921 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1921.html)Peace, Hjalmar Branting (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1921/)
Peace, Christian Lange (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1921/)
1922 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1922.html)Peace, Fridtjof Nansen (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1922/)
1925 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1925.html)Peace, Sir Austen Chamberlain (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1925/)
Peace, Charles G. Dawes (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1925/)
1926 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1926.html)Peace, Aristide Briand (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1926/)
Peace, Gustav Stresemann (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1926/)
1927 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1927.html)Peace, Ferdinand Buisson (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1927/)
Peace, Ludwig Quidde (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1927/)
1929 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1929.html)Peace, Frank B. Kellogg (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1929/)
1930 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1930.html)Peace, Nathan Söderblom (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1930/)
1931 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1931.html)Peace, Jane Addams (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1931/)
Peace, Nicholas Murray Butler (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1931/)
1933 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1933.html)Peace, Sir Norman Angell (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1933/)
1934 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1934.html)Peace, Arthur Henderson (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1934/)
1935 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1935.html)Peace, Carl von Ossietzky (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1935/)
1936 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1936.html)Peace, Carlos Saavedra Lamas (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1936/)
1937 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1937.html)Peace, Robert Cecil (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1937/)
1938 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1938.html)Peace, Nansen International Office for Refugees (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1938/)
1944 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1944.html)Peace, International Committee of the Red Cross (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1944/)
1945 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1945.html)Peace, Cordell Hull (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1945/)
1946 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1946.html)Peace, Emily Greene Balch (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1946/)
Peace, John R. Mott (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1946/)
1947 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1947.html)Peace, Friends Service Council (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1947/)
Peace, American Friends Service Committee (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1947/)
1949 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1949.html)Peace, Lord Boyd Orr (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1949/)
1950 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1950.html)Peace, Ralph Bunche (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1950/)
1951 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1951.html)Peace, Léon Jouhaux (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1951/)
1952 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1952.html)Peace, Albert Schweitzer (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1952/)
1953 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1953.html)Peace, George C. Marshall (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1953/)
1954 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1954.html)Peace, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1954/)
1957 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1957.html)Peace, Lester Bowles Pearson (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1957/)
1958 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1958.html)Peace, Georges Pire (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1958/)
1959 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1959.html)Peace, Philip Noel-Baker (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1959/)
1960 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1960.html)Peace, Albert Lutuli (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1960/)
1961 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1961.html)Peace, Dag Hammarskjöld (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1961/)
1962 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1962.html)Peace, Linus Pauling (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1962/)
1963 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1963.html)Peace, International Committee of the Red Cross (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1963/)
Peace, League of Red Cross Societies (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1963/)
1964 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1964.html)Peace, Martin Luther King (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1964/)
1965 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1965.html)Peace, United Nations Children's Fund (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1965/)
1968 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1968.html)Peace, René Cassin (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1968/)
1969 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1969.html)Peace, International Labour Organization (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1969/)
1970 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1970.html)Peace, Norman Borlaug (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1970/)
1971 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1971.html)Peace, Willy Brandt (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1971/)
1973 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1973.html)Peace, Le Duc Tho (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1973/)
Peace, Henry Kissinger (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1973/)
1974 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1974.html)Peace, Seán MacBride (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1974/)
Peace, Eisaku Sato (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1974/)
1975 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1975.html)Peace, Andrei Sakharov (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1975/)
1976 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1976.html)Peace, Mairead Corrigan (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1976/)
Peace, Betty Williams (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1976/)
1977 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1977.html)Peace, Amnesty International (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1977/)
1978 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1978.html)Peace, Anwar al-Sadat (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1978/)
Peace, Menachem Begin (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1978/)
1979 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1979.html)Peace, Mother Teresa (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1979/)
1980 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1980.html)Peace, Adolfo Pérez Esquivel (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1980/)
1981 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1981.html)Peace, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1981/)
1982 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1982.html)Peace, Alfonso García Robles (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1982/)
Peace, Alva Myrdal (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1982/)
1983 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1983.html)Peace, Lech Walesa (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1983/)
1984 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1984.html)Peace, Desmond Tutu (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1984/)
1985 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1985.html)Peace, International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1985/)
1986 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1986.html)Peace, Elie Wiesel (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1986/)
1987 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1987.html)Peace, Oscar Arias Sánchez (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1987/)
1988 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1988.html)Peace, United Nations Peacekeeping Forces (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1988/)
1989 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1989.html)Peace, The 14th Dalai Lama (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1989/)
1990 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1990.html)Peace, Mikhail Gorbachev (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1990/)
1991 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1991.html)Peace, Aung San Suu Kyi (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1991/)
1992 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1992.html)Peace, Rigoberta Menchú Tum (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1992/)
1993 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1993.html)Peace, F.W. de Klerk (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1993/)
Peace, Nelson Mandela (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1993/)
1994 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1994.html)Peace, Yasser Arafat (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/)
Peace, Shimon Peres (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/)
Peace, Yitzhak Rabin (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/)
1995 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1995.html)Peace, Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1995/)
Peace, Joseph Rotblat (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1995/)
1996 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1996.html)Peace, Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1996/)
Peace, José Ramos-Horta (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1996/)
1997 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1997.html)Peace, International Campaign to Ban Landmines (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1997/)
Peace, Jody Williams (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1997/)
1998 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1998.html)Peace, John Hume (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1998/)
Peace, David Trimble (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1998/)
1999 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/1999.html)Peace, Médecins Sans Frontières (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1999/)
2000 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/2000.html)Peace, Kim Dae-jung (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2000/)
2001 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/2001.html)Peace, United Nations (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2001/)
Peace, Kofi Annan (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2001/)
2002 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/2002.html)Peace, Jimmy Carter (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2002/)
2003 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/2003.html)Peace, Shirin Ebadi (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2003/)
2004 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/2004.html)Peace, Wangari Maathai (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2004/)
2005 - (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/2005.html)Peace, International Atomic Energy Agency (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2005/)
Peace, Mohamed ElBaradei (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2005/)



I think some persons that faced terrible death voluntarily to prevent a nuclear catrastophe (How easy would have not to volunteer) deserve at least as much as or International Atomic Energy, Mohamed ElBaradei, Kofi Annan or Theodore Roosvelt.
If Gorvachov who knows most of the details of this drama and who is a Nobel prize awardeed is recomending them I guess they deserve at least to be considered.

[Skybird]

First, what that crew probably needed most is medical and financial support, and if they got hurt or killed, the knowledge that their families will be taken care of. More worth than any damn medal. Never understood people's obessions with medals and monuments.

Second, there are some names on that list that would cause me to reject that Prize if I would happen to win it for something. Wouldn't like to be mentioned in one breath together with them.

And third, I do not like that the Prize today often is given to encourgae certain agendas or processes - a reward in advance. The commitee should restrict itself to rewarding what has been accheived, not deciding of what it would like to see in the future to take place. They should not decide the future, that is not their job, and should not make policies.

For that reason, today the Nobel Peace Prize is worth almost nothing imo - too opportunistic it is.

[STEED]

there are some names on that list that would cause me to reject that Prize if I would happen to win it for something. Wouldn't like to be mentioned in one breath together with them.

I agree with Skybird, after reading that list there are some I would question why? And no I am not telling.

[Takeda Shingen]

Yes, some of the names on that list are the results of questionable desicions. Some, however, are not, and it is those that I hold as the standard. Therefore, I do not put the crew of K-19, regardless of their great heroism, in the same category as Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela. It is the great choices, not the most questionable, that should hold the standard of selection.