Missile Launch

[awood6535]

Fox news and CNN anounce North Korea Has launched their ICBM for a test launch and it has FAILED. So much for the threat. Missile failed about 45 seconds in flight. Mutiple missiles launched toward Japan They are saying that 3 other missiles have been launched toward Japan! Were they shot down? Or did the malfunction? Is North Korea trying to provoke The U S A or Japan. I bet Kim what ever how flung suck dong is probley doing this:damn: :damn: :damn: :|\\

[Oberon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5148648.stm

The two missiles launched towards Japan ditched in the sea, not the first time they've launched missiles at anyone near them.
And the Taepodong-2? More like Typodonkey :yep:

Still, I suppose the falling wreckage could pose a health risk.... :o

[Kapitan]

One day we will be sitting here chatting about north koreas sucsessful firing and how japan and america are going to invade.

Just a matter of time.

[Drebbel]

One day we will be sitting here chatting about north koreas sucsessful firing and how japan and america are going to invade.

Why is it a matter of time ?

Time gives opportunity, war is not the only result that time can give us !

[Kapitan]

Time gives us space and in that time and space we can create, time is knowlege something that we work on with time.

we can only wait and see what thier next move is.

[Drebbel]

Thanks for not answering my question :D

[Kapitan]

Its only a matter of time before they have something reliable enough to strike, time brings everything time is knowlege knowing when the time is right to strike can be the diffrence between victory and defeat.

if we wait too long then they could have a missile system capible of destroying japan but strike to early and we could risk alot of bad publicity, but if we strike at the right time then its more favorible.

[Linton]

Judging by the almost perfect spelling ,and reasonably articulate prose ,I reckon this is a North Korean pretending to be Kapitain.They are sabre rattling,and they know that most of the world are curently concentrating on the Middle East.Now If the Koreans had oil it would be a different matter.

[STEED]

In a nut shell North Korea is just farting around and poking fun at the rest of us, so what? They are trying to show off, who cares, they are a hermit tin pot race. ;)

[Drebbel]

I see, but before you said the WOULD strike, just a matter of time !

Seems you changed your mind because now you write:

if we wait too long then they could have a missile system capible of destroying japan but strike to early and we could risk alot of bad publicity, but if we strike at the right time then its more favorible.

Hmm, many people stated the same during the cold-war. The said we should nuke China, Russia, Cuba, etc Yet we played a long game of threats/exercises/missile launches/spying/etcetera, and look what it brought us ----> peace with Russia and China.

I am glad we did not listen to the "lets nuke them" people. Worl War III kind of sucks big time you know.

ut strike to early and we could risk alot of bad publicity,

Or World War III.

Drebbel

[Etienne]

Coincidence, I just read this article :

http://www.g2mil.com/korea.htm

Which I find makes a lot of sense.

Any idiot with time on his hands might make an atom bomb. A genius with good materials and equipment might, possibly, build an ICBM...

But only a fool would fire it. North Korea can't win, they know that. I doubt that they'd even start.

[tycho102]

I don't necessarily know that the test was a failure. It may have actually been an outright success. I am speaking of rocketry as much as I am speaking about politics.

They could have been aborted for whatever reason, although 45-seconds would be a really quick abort.

[NEON DEON]

I am thinking they shot off all those rockets to celebrate the Fourh of July:D

or

They fired off the short range ones becuase they feared the U S was going to try and take out their long range rocket.

More wasted money by NK that could be better served by providing their people with FOOD!:roll:

[Onkel Neal]

It wasn't a failure, we simply shot it down with our still-top-secret space-based anti-missile lazar beam system. Let the NK engineers try to figure out what went wrong.
:smug:

[awood6535]

hell I was away for a few hours watching fire works and I come home and here on the news that within the last hour around 12:00am EST that those "guys" have launched 2 more missiles a scud and some other shugfungdog up ther a$$ missile. If I were in Japan Or South Korea right now I would be damn sick and tired of the ***** play with missiles. :arrgh!:

[Oberon]

hell I was away for a few hours watching fire works...

Live near the sea of Japan do you? ;) :lol:

Heh, yeah, if I was Japan I'd be very sorely tempted to start sending missiles back, detonating them or failing them in the middle of the sea, although it would be such a terrible shame if one would have a technical fault and not receive the order to self-destruct.... ;)

[awood6535]

:yep: :ping: Yeah the North is putting on Very big priced fire works I say if the keep this up Japan will strike back and I don't think they will stop till the north is a whole lot of little holes. I don't know if Japan has nukes but you never know. Who all thinks we should just bomb there a$$ back to the stone age which is about what 10 years for them. We need a poll

1 Bomb them
2 Make Peace and give them Alaska and say how very sorry we are for upsetting them.:rotfl:
3 just don't know

and yes I'm a warmonger

[Drebbel]

and yes I'm a warmonger

Thats ok for a 10 year old !

[awood6535]

I don't mean to afend anyone but it's friggen nuts what they are doing and were all supose to hold hands smoke pot and sh*t no! I'm not sorry to come from a military family and brought up to love my country as many people around the world do but if the world lets these people build nukes and long range missiles some friggen nut job like Kim Or the Iranian will launch a missile with a warhead and start a world war. With nukes

[Drebbel]

friggen nut job like Kim Or the Iranian will launch a missile with a warhead and start a world war.

Why would they do that ?

[The Avon Lady]

friggen nut job like Kim Or the Iranian will launch a missile with a warhead and start a world war.
Why would they do that ?
The NK's wouldn't do it, though I could see them preparing to conventionally attack S. Korea.

A strong border force and painful sactions, including stopping NK's armament shipments abroad are what's needed.

Eventually, NK could fizzle out the same way East Germany and the Soviet Union did.

Iran is a different story. See this January 2002 article:

Former Iranian President Rafsanjani on Using a Nuclear Bomb Against Israel (http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP32502).

It's simply one massive suicide bombing to them, with all the Muslim victims in Israel and afterwards in Iran getting their 72 virgins in their post-nuclear afterlife.

[NEON DEON]

I would have to say that Nuclear weapons and religious fundementalism dont mix.

Iran would fit that bill.

As for NK.

I think the current regime is so paranoid they will lose power they perceive the only way to keep it would be if they had Nuclear Weapons. I think more of a threat than N K missiles would be the exportation of Nuclear Weapons to terrorists.
Now, throw in NKs history of non diplomacy, and the U S not wanting NK to have the bomb. Yikes! :o

[scandium]

friggen nut job like Kim Or the Iranian will launch a missile with a warhead and start a world war. Why would they do that ? The NK's wouldn't do it, though I could see them preparing to conventionally attack S. Korea.

A strong border force and painful sactions, including stopping NK's armament shipments abroad are what's needed.

Eventually, NK could fizzle out the same way East Germany and the Soviet Union did.

Iran is a different story. See this January 2002 article:

Former Iranian President Rafsanjani on Using a Nuclear Bomb Against Israel (http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP32502).

It's simply one massive suicide bombing to them, with all the Muslim victims in Israel and afterwards in Iran getting their 72 virgins in their post-nuclear afterlife.

I guess it matters not that the Iranian President, unlike the North Korean Dictator, is a mouth piece with no real power. After all, what are facts compared to 4 year old speeches from a figurehead that can be used to imply that all Muslims in Iran and Isreal are suicidal and would welcome being nuked. :nope:

[The Avon Lady]

friggen nut job like Kim Or the Iranian will launch a missile with a warhead and start a world war. Why would they do that ? The NK's wouldn't do it, though I could see them preparing to conventionally attack S. Korea.

A strong border force and painful sactions, including stopping NK's armament shipments abroad are what's needed.

Eventually, NK could fizzle out the same way East Germany and the Soviet Union did.

Iran is a different story. See this January 2002 article:

Former Iranian President Rafsanjani on Using a Nuclear Bomb Against Israel (http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP32502).

It's simply one massive suicide bombing to them, with all the Muslim victims in Israel and afterwards in Iran getting their 72 virgins in their post-nuclear afterlife.

I guess it matters not that the Iranian President, unlike the North Korean Dictator, is a mouth piece with no real power. After all, what are facts compared to 4 year old speeches from a figurehead that can be used to imply that all Muslims in Iran and Isreal are suicidal and would welcome being nuked. :nope:
More falacies from Scandium. They never end apparently.

Guess what? Dictators with access to nuclear weapons can press buttons at the expense of their country's populations, especially when they truly believe that they are carrying out the utmost in divine will and will receive an eternal life of bliss for doing so.

In fact, the more, the merrier, according to them.

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
- Quran 9:111

And my point of quoting from way back in 2001 was to show that there's nothing new under the sun. Iran has repeated its threats to destroy Israel several times in the last year.

[Oberon]

Apparently they lobbed off another one a couple of hours ago, that's seven in total...they'll have run out by the time they want to invade the south surely... :lol:
Biggest missile maneuvers in a while though, I think they want to get the US's attention back, most kids start throwing toys out of the pram when they get ignored, NKs toys just happen to be missiles. :-?

[STEED]

A mate I know has just rung up, he believes we are hours away from total nuclear warfare with North Korea.

Talk about panic stations, I don't know. :nope:

[The Avon Lady]

A mate I know has just rung up, he believes we are hours away from total nuclear warfare with North Korea.

Talk about panic stations, I don't know. :nope:
Call him back and tell him to run out fast and spend those last hours eating his heart out at the most expensive restaurant in town. :yep:

[STEED]

A mate I know has just rung up, he believes we are hours away from total nuclear warfare with North Korea.

Talk about panic stations, I don't know. :nope:
Call him back and tell him to run out fast and spend those last hours eating his heart out at the most expensive restaurant in town. :yep:

What a good idea. :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Oberon]

A mate I know has just rung up, he believes we are hours away from total nuclear warfare with North Korea.

Talk about panic stations, I don't know. :nope:
Call him back and tell him to run out fast and spend those last hours eating his heart out at the most expensive restaurant in town. :yep:

What a good idea. :rotfl: :rotfl:

Send him to us! We could do with the custom for lunch! :D

[STEED]

LOL:lol: :lol:

[Subnuts]

short slant eye fu*kers

Pardon, my good Sir? :-?

[scandium]

My take on this: Kim just wanted to take a leak on GWB's 4th of July celebration. A bit juvenile, but kind of fits with what's been written about him.

[Onkel Neal]

Why did Hitler invade Poland, and later France, and then Russia?
Why did Tojo order an attack on the USA?
I can't see ascribing rational thinking to dictators or heads of theocratic states.

[STEED]

Why did Hitler invade Poland, and later France, and then Russia?
Why did Tojo order an attack on the USA?


I know but I suspect most people also know.


I can't see ascribing rational thinking to dictators or heads of theocratic states.

A dictator will always think he is in the right. ;)

[Drebbel]

A dictator will always think he is in the right. ;)

So will the western democracies ! ;)

[scandium]

Why did Hitler invade Poland, and later France, and then Russia?

To get to the other side? :hmm:

[STEED]

A dictator will always think he is in the right. ;)

So will the western democracies ! ;)

True, they are not as twisted in their thinking. ;)

[Marcantilan]

I can't see ascribing rational thinking to dictators or heads of theocratic states.

It´s true.

We must remove the Saudi regime from power!!!

Saudi Arabia is in fact, equal than N. Korea
Democratic........................NO
Human Rights.....................NO
Police state.......................Almost

In this twisted world of alliances and foes it´s not gold everything that shines!

The bottom line is: NK sure is a rogue state, but it´s just the current foe. If turns tomorrow in a democratic state, GWB and tha idiotic press gonna find another enemy for you.

As an ol´The Clash song says: "People must have something good to read in Sunday"

[Onkel Neal]

A dictator will always think he is in the right. ;)

So will the western democracies ! ;)

True, they are not as twisted in their thinking. ;)

Yes, and also, western democracies consist of more than 1 person making the decisions. I think that is relevant.

[Onkel Neal]

I can't see ascribing rational thinking to dictators or heads of theocratic states.

It´s true.

We must remove the Saudi regime from power!!!





Uh, you weren't expecting me to argue against that, were you? Let's put them on the list after NK.



All this talk about "making up enemies" is good and fine, until someone gets a city bombed.

[Rockstar]

A dictator will always think he is in the right. ;)

So will the western democracies ! ;)

True, they are not as twisted in their thinking. ;)

Yes, and also, western democracies consist of more than 1 person making the decisions. I think that is relevant.

I prefer our country not change and remain a Constitutional Republic. You want democracy join the U.N. or the E.U.

Oh the latest conspiracey theory I heard the missles failed was because we shot'em down and that li'l dog eater Kim won't admit it :p

[Oberon]

Well, I think only one missile actually failed and that was the Typo, the others were deactivated/self-destructed in the sea deliberately.
Though the shooting down conspiracy theory may have a small grain of truth in it, didn't the US ship out a Tico to the sea of Japan especially for the Typo?
Though 45 seconds...how far up and out to sea d'ya think it could be in 45 seconds.... :hmm:

[Ducimus]

Coincidence, I just read this article :

http://www.g2mil.com/korea.htm

Which I find makes a lot of sense.


Whoever wrote that article is my bloody hero. Ive been saying for years we need to leave south korea, and he said it far more elequently then i ever could.

NK isn't a major problem. They've been playing the game of brinksmanship for years. All we really have to do is Just keep them contained and it will eventually fold in on itself. Sanctions might hurry that process along, but if NK is as bad off as the linked article suggests, they might be desperate enough to try something stupid, then again, they might not be capable of it either.

They're playing chicken with us, they always have been, and always will be. They can't last forever, and they must be close to folding.

[The Avon Lady]

Coincidence, I just read this article :

http://www.g2mil.com/korea.htm

Which I find makes a lot of sense.

Any idiot with time on his hands might make an atom bomb. A genius with good materials and equipment might, possibly, build an ICBM...

But only a fool would fire it. North Korea can't win, they know that. I doubt that they'd even start.
Very interesting read. I always thought that NK was still somewhat the menace it was back in the 50's.

Sort of like calling out Emporer Kim as being naked and the US is spending fortunes just to watch the exhibitionism.:p Yuk! :88)

[The Avon Lady]

Your hard earned tax money at work at the UN (http://www.nysun.com/article/35533). :roll:

[STEED]

Your hard earned tax money at work at the UN (http://www.nysun.com/article/35533). :roll:

The U.N. :rotfl:

Here's the result of their meeting, North Korea will get another warning in a deeper voice. And that's after their investigation report Vol.1 2000 pages long to be followed by Vol.2 through to Vol.25, and the end result? Nothing a big fat zero too you and I but to the U.N. drinks all round. :smug: ;)

Scrap the U.N. it's a waste of time and money.:nope: :nope:

[STEED]

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US interceptors were ready for North Korean missile

Wed Jul 5, 2006 3:29pm EThttp://i.today.reuters.com/images/spacer.gif

By Jim Wolf
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States for the first time confirmed on Wednesday that it had readied its missile interceptors to meet a specific threat -- North Korea's launch of a long-range missile said to be capable of reaching Alaska.
The intercontinental Taepodong 2 missile fell harmlessly into the Sea of Japan less than a minute after launch, along with at least five shorter-range missiles, leaving in doubt whether any shootdown attempt would have worked. "What I will tell you is that each and every launch was detected and monitored and that the interceptors were operational during the missile launches that took place," Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters.


In the past, U.S. officials have said the fledgling missile defense system, while still being tested, has been made "operational" many times since taking shape in 2004. But they have never specified a specific moment.
"Obviously this was brought up for a specific event," a defense official said, referring to activation of the interceptors to be prepared for the Taepodong 2 shot.
The U.S. Northern Command operates the interceptors -- now numbering nine at Fort Greely, Alaska, and two at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California -- as part of its homeland defense mission.
Top commanders were able to determine quickly Pyongyang's launches posed no threat to the United States or its territories, the command said in a statement Tuesday night. QUICK DECISIONS REQUIRED


The system includes early-warning satellites for launch detection, ground- and sea-based radar stations for surveillance and tracking, the interceptors to destroy incoming warheads plus command nodes in Alaska and Colorado.
The Pentagon has shot down mock warheads in five of 10 highly scripted intercept tests of the ground-based system. The United States has spent more than $92 billion on missile defense since then-President Ronald Reagan launched what critics called his "Star Wars" initiative.
In a typical engagement scenario, infrared sensors aboard satellites detect the hot plume of a missile launch and alert operations centers of a possible attack. Sensors are then keyed to pick out the warhead from among decoys and space debris, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.


Based on tracking data, an interceptor, consisting of a barrel-sized "kill vehicle" mounted atop a booster rocket, may be launched to engage the threat -- a decision that must be made within minutes.
In the case of the Taepodong 2, which fell harmlessly into the sea between the Korean peninsula and Japan about 40 seconds after launch, there was "far too little time to make a decision on whether to shoot it down," said Victoria Samson, an expert on missile defense at the private Center for Defense Information.
Air Force Lt. Gen. Henry Obering, who is overseeing the system's development as head of the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency, said last month he was "very confident" it could shoot down an incoming North Korean warhead.
(Additional reporting by Kristin Roberts)

© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2006-07-05T192907Z_01_N05272875_RTRUKOC_0_US-KOREA-NORTH-USA-INTERCEPTORS.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

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[quote]
US interceptors were ready for North Korean missile

Wed Jul 5, 2006 3:29pm EThttp://i.today.reuters.com/images/spacer.gif

By Jim Wolf
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States for the first time confirmed on Wednesday that it had readied its missile interceptors to meet a specific threat -- North Korea's launch of a long-range missile said to be capable of reaching Alaska.
The intercontinental Taepodong 2 missile fell harmlessly into the Sea of Japan less than a minute after launch, along with at least five shorter-range missiles, leaving in doubt whether any shootdown attempt would have worked. "What I will tell you is that each and every launch was detected and monitored and that the interceptors were operational during the missile launches that took place," Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters.

The detection and monitoring is not the tough part, considering that you had radars based as close as Japan. The shootdown is the tough part.

It is almost a shame the missile failed. It'd be nice to solve the NMD debate once and for all. TPD 2, which is short ranged for a ICBM and single warhead is probably on the easy side as far as ICBM targets go, but it'd be a real target. No critic will be able to say that the intercept was too scripted and no proponent will be able to say that they were only "playing" or "testing a specific aspect" or any other excuse if the shot failed.

What I would really like to know is if NMD clean misses. Will Congress hastily hand out more money or terminate the program?

[The Avon Lady]

Could President Bush simply lasso enemy missiles after takeoff? :hmm:

[Oberon]

Apparently there's a second Typo readying for launch but it's not at the pad yet, could be a week or so before they launch it.
Been trying to find Musudan-ri on Google Earth but there appears to be a low-res line...just where I suspect Musudan-ri is....

Damn....:damn:

*EDIT* Scrub that...I think I've found it...approx 40 degrees 50'50.79N and 122 degrees 39'34.92E, within that area...there's a hangar, and west of the hangar there's a concrete pad with something on it...

It's rather close to the sea...not a lot to stop a low flying terrain hugging TLAM....

[Ducimus]

US interceptors were ready for North Korean missile

Of course they were. I was a combat engineeer and my first tour in Korea was during the 1994 buildup when we all thought that THIS was it. Point is i know from firsthand a pretty good idea of the kind of buildup over there. I built some of it ;)

There's umm... "Anti-missle missle" batteries, all over the freaking place. The DPRK probably wont get much of a shot in, even if their missles worked, assuming our "AMM's" work. :roll: But then again, there was a butlload of them over there last i saw.

[tycho102]

I guess the Airforce has been looking at the trajectory, and it was headed for Hawai'i.

The "big" one, anyhow.