Medals in SH3 ??

[Grey Legion]

During my newest career I want to keep better track of my crew and ther skill and promotions.

Using SH3 Commander I want to be able to award the proper medal for the propers service (if that makes sence !?! )

So I was wondering where can I learn more about the medals featured in SH3 and how to better award them, did the google thing and only found sites selling them with little to no details on how why and when they were used.

Any help would be great !!

:up:

[Kurushio]

Well, this is one....I'll edit this post as I find more.


http://uboat.net/men/decorations/

[Hartmann]

I don´t understand promotions and medals...:oops:

has some influence in the crew performance ??

[Kurushio]

Hartmann, you could check this out...

http://www.communitymanuals.com/shiii/index.php?title=Promotions

http://www.communitymanuals.com/shiii/index.php?title=Medals

[JScones]

Cick around http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/ as well. Good site.
http://www.axishistory.com/ as well. Another good site.

Note that SH3Cmdr follows these historical guidelines in regards to the suggestions that it provides plus the availability date of each medal or badge, so you are not all alone.

[Grey Legion]

Cick around http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/ as well. Good site.
http://www.axishistory.com/ as well. Another good site.

Note that SH3Cmdr follows these historical guidelines in regards to the suggestions that it provides plus the availability date of each medal or badge, so you are not all alone.

Really ??, good to know Thanks !!

Time to do some reading !!

:up:

[JScones]

As per the SH3Cmdr readme (relevant parts bolded)...

A Crew Manager component. By selecting the 'Manage your crew' action, players can:
- promote and demote within type (ie Officers, Petty Officers and Sailors);
- change crewmen names;
- give and remove medals based on historic criteria;
- give and remove badges based on historic criteria;
- give, adjust and remove qualifications (3 for officers and senior petty officers, 1 for petty officers and 1 for sailors);
- create a crew list for viewing (html format) and printing.

The Crew Manager warns if certain conditions are met, such as a crewman receiving medals before they are historically available, or if a crewman might be entitled to specific medals or badges and allows a "one click" auto fix.

[Kurushio]

If SH3Cmdr is so fervent about realism when giving out medals, why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right? If you start off with a IIa it insists on giving you U numbers which werent IIa boats. :damn:

[Fab]

When I do what you're doing (in my non-WaW careers) I use the following:

Wound badge for being wounded during a patrol.

U-boot Badge after two patrols (can't be awarded before 13 October 1939). Or after one patrol if wounded.

U-boot Combat Clasp after receipt of the U-boot Badge, for exceptional valor or for making a large number of sorties at the captain's discretion (can't be awarded before 15 May 1944). Basically, if I have someone who has made many patrols with me and has done something exceptional, I will give him the Combat Clasp. There was no set criteria for this one.

Iron Cross Second Class is reserved pretty much only for officers. There were men who received this but it would have been very rare. I end up giving one to my IWO after he's done his part in sinking many ships on night-time surface attacks. My L.I. might get one for saving the boat from a seemingly impossible situation after a prolonged wasserbombe attack. And so on.

Iron Cross First Class and up are pretty much off limits for my crew. My IWO *might* get an Iron Cross First Class if he does something truly amazing. Otherwise, no one gets this.

So it's pretty easy if you want to use historical medals, you can only award the three badges and the Iron Cross 2nd class.

[JScones]

If SH3Cmdr is so fervent about realism when giving out medals, why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right? If you start off with a IIa it insists on giving you U numbers which werent IIa boats. :damn:
You know, I don't like wasting my time by answering the same questions twice, especially when asked by the same guy.

Use the forum search and you'll see I have already answered this for you. :damn: :damn:

[Kurushio]

If SH3Cmdr is so fervent about realism when giving out medals, why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right? If you start off with a IIa it insists on giving you U numbers which werent IIa boats. :damn: You know, I don't like wasting my time by answering the same questions twice, especially when asked by the same guy.

Use the forum search and you'll see I have already answered this for you. :damn: :damn:
I apologise, sir. I'm a post whore....as you know, whores have a hard time keeping track of things. Looking for it now...


edit: Ok, found it...finally. Thanks for the reply...I see what you mean. Good program by the way...I wont go on patrol without it....because I like to put a name to the merchants I sink.

[Grey Legion]

If SH3Cmdr is so fervent about realism when giving out medals, why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right? If you start off with a IIa it insists on giving you U numbers which werent IIa boats. :damn: You know, I don't like wasting my time by answering the same questions twice, especially when asked by the same guy.

Use the forum search and you'll see I have already answered this for you. :damn: :damn:
I apologise, sir. I'm a post whore....as you know, whores have a hard time keeping track of things. Looking for it now...


edit: Ok, found it...finally. Thanks for the reply...I see what you mean. Good program by the way...I wont go on patrol without it....because I like to put a name to the merchants I sink.

How do you know what the ship you sunk name is ??

That is of interest to me !!

:arrgh!:

[Sailor Steve]

If SH3Cmdr is so fervent about realism when giving out medals, why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right? If you start off with a IIa it insists on giving you U numbers which werent IIa boats. :damn:
You know, I don't like wasting my time by answering the same questions twice, especially when asked by the same guy.

Use the forum search and you'll see I have already answered this for you. :damn: :damn:
But because of his rude tone I'll answer it again anyway. There were only six Type IIa boats, and not one of them ever saw combat. The IIb was the earliest type II to see action, and the numbers SH3 Commander gives are the IIb (and IIc) numbers. Unfortunately the game won't respond to those kinds of changes, so it still gets called a IIa.

Before you use insulting phrases like "...why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right?", you might try doing a little research.:damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn:

[Kurushio]

If SH3Cmdr is so fervent about realism when giving out medals, why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right? If you start off with a IIa it insists on giving you U numbers which werent IIa boats. :damn: You know, I don't like wasting my time by answering the same questions twice, especially when asked by the same guy.

Use the forum search and you'll see I have already answered this for you. :damn: :damn: But because of his rude tone I'll answer it again anyway. There were only six Type IIa boats, and not one of them ever saw combat. The IIb was the earliest type II to see action, and the numbers SH3 Commander gives are the IIb (and IIc) numbers. Unfortunately the game won't respond to those kinds of changes, so it still gets called a IIa.

Before you use insulting phrases like "...why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right?", you might try doing a little research.:damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn:
Sailor Steve, you stand corrected....oh and how wrong you are my sailor buddy. ;) By the way...just so you know, you are talking to a Type II freak here. I love the little boat.

U1 - Participated in two combat patrols: 29th March 1940 off Norway. And again on the 4th April. Both fruitless, but she was sunk by a British mine barrage Field No. 7. 24 dead-all hands lost.

U2 - Also participated in two fruitless combat patrols. Was sunk in an accident...

U3 - Participated in 5 combat patrols. Sunk 2 merchant ships for a total of 2,348 tonnes. She actually escaped an attack by the British sub HMS Porpoise.

U4 - Participated in 4 combat patrols. This was the most successful boat with 3 merchants sunk for a total of 5,133 tonnes and one warship (HMS Thistle) a British submarine for a total of 1,090 tonnes. Actually had quite a battle with her...here's a quick report: "The engagement was a lengthy one, as the two submarines were both small coastal craft with poor endurance, and so when Thistle attacked and missed U-4 on the 9 April, it gave U-4 a chance to evade and hunt her attacker, finally catching and sinking her as she recharged her batteries on the surface a day later."

U5 - Had two fruitless combat patrols.

U6 - Also had two fruitless combat patrols.


So as you can see...you're pretty far off the mark. In fact, U4 was one of the few boats to sink a British sub and all the type IIa completed at least a couple of combat patrols.

Oh...and I was "rude" because I didn't realise that bloke was the actual maker of SHcommander...otherwise I would've been a bit more diplomatic. I still think it wasn't necessary to change the Type IIa numbers to the Type IIb...and I will just roll the dice and choose a number that way next time I play on a IIa...for historical accuracy.

Over and out. ;)

[Sailor Steve]

Cool. I roll dice for lots of things, including which number I actually pick.

http://www.uboat.net/boats/index01.html
You're right, they did do "Front" patrols, but the numbers I see are different than the ones you post:
U-1: 1 patrol, the others were training.
U-2: 1 patrol, the others were training. It says 2 patrols, but the listing says otherwise.
U-3: 2 of the "5" were combat patrols, the other 3 were training.
U-4: Again the actual listings are at variance with the stated "4" patrols. They list 6, 2 of which are front line.
U-5: Again they say 2 patrols, but list 5, and only one of those says "Front Patrol"
U-6: Same thing-2 patrols, but list shows 5, only one of which is war patrol.

Which one is correct?

But you're right; they all did at least one war patrol.

I also posted before I saw your post about looking for the other thread.

I apologise. I don't usually react that way.

Well, usually, but not most of the time.

Well, most of the time, but certainly not all of the time.

[andy_311]

My crew has been shot up and killed in a few careers,but I never seen a wound medal, My crew has been straffed so many time I lost count,but yet not 1 sailor or officer has been awarded a wound medal in my last 5 careers.

[Kurushio]

Cool. I roll dice for lots of things, including which number I actually pick.

http://www.uboat.net/boats/index01.html
You're right, they did do "Front" patrols, but the numbers I see are different than the ones you post:
U-1: 1 patrol, the others were training.
U-2: 1 patrol, the others were training. It says 2 patrols, but the listing says otherwise.
U-3: 2 of the "5" were combat patrols, the other 3 were training.
U-4: Again the actual listings are at variance with the stated "4" patrols. They list 6, 2 of which are front line.
U-5: Again they say 2 patrols, but list 5, and only one of those says "Front Patrol"
U-6: Same thing-2 patrols, but list shows 5, only one of which is war patrol.

Which one is correct?

But you're right; they all did at least one war patrol.

I also posted before I saw your post about looking for the other thread.

I apologise. I don't usually react that way.

Well, usually, but not most of the time.

Well, most of the time, but certainly not all of the time.

No probs about the apology mate. :up: Though Steve, I think you are reading Uboat.net wrong. It lumps patrols together according to when it went combat operational etc...

[Kurushio]

How do you know what the ship you sunk name is ??

That is of interest to me !!

:arrgh!:

If you use SH3Commander, at the end of a patrol it will give you a name of the merchant/s you sunk (in the patrol report). I like it personally...makes it much more submersive.

[Fab]

My crew has been shot up and killed in a few careers,but I never seen a wound medal, My crew has been straffed so many time I lost count,but yet not 1 sailor or officer has been awarded a wound medal in my last 5 careers.

At the risk of putting this thread back on the rails . . .

I think the crewman has to be wounded at the END of the patrol for SH3 to award the badge. If his wounds are healed during the patrol, then SH3 won't give him the badge. You should use SH3 to award him both the wound badge as well as the U-boat Badge (since earning the one automatically earned you the other).

[JScones]

I think the crewman has to be wounded at the END of the patrol for SH3 to award the badge. If his wounds are healed during the patrol, then SH3 won't give him the badge.
Correct. He can be all but dead during a patrol but if he was healed before docking, no wound badge for thee.

You should use SH3 to award him both the wound badge as well as the U-boat Badge (since earning the one automatically earned you the other).
Not necessarily - it was still at the the Commander's discretion, thus not automatic. It's why SH3Cmdr does not force a u-boat badge if a wound badge has been awarded. I may, however, add a "suggestion" as it would prolly be a mean Commander that said no.

[JScones]

Hehe, I just remembered the main reason why SH3Cmdr uses IIB numbers instead of IIA numbers...

It wasn't due to a lack of IIAs in combat, it was simply due to the fact that the 1st Flotilla didn't have IIA's, they only had IIB, IIC and IID's!

[brunowe]

SHCommande3 is great, however it doesnt permit me to adjust the medals I receive personally. SH3 seems ahistorical, after my second patrol (sinking 17000+), I received the ICII, ICI, Knights Cross, Knights Cross with Oak Leaves and the War Clasp. At most, I should have gotten the ICII after the 1st patrol (17000 also) and the ICI and War BADGE after the second. Any way to adjust this? Thanks.

[brunowe]

...that I'm using the Grey Wolves Mod. Should I be discussing this in that thread? Thanks.

[JScones]

Personal medals and ranks are controlled in Basic.cfg.

[PLAYER_RENOWN]
AcademyBonus=1000
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1499; SCORE
RankLevel2=9000; SCORE
RankLevel3=15000; SCORE
MedalSettings0=0.25
MedalSettings1=0.5
MedalSettings2=1
MedalScore0=3000;2 class, SCORE
MedalScore1=7000;1 class, SCORE
MedalScore2=15000; knight, SCORE
MedalScore3=25000; oak leaves, SCORE
MedalScore4=37000;swords, SCORE
MedalScore5=50000;diamonds, SCORE
MedalScore6=70000;all, SCORE
Note the values may differ on your install.

Simply adjust to your liking. SCORE = renown required.

You could add this block to SH3Cmdr's "Basic changes.cfg" file, which will ensure that your preferred values are used regardless of whatever mod you install. However, it would still be *very* prudent to review after installing any new mod.

[Kurushio]

Hehe, I just remembered the main reason why SH3Cmdr uses IIB numbers instead of IIA numbers...

It wasn't due to a lack of IIAs in combat, it was simply due to the fact that the 1st Flotilla didn't have IIA's, they only had IIB, IIC and IID's!

You are right, the 1st never came out of Wilhelmshaven either....they came out of Kiel for the first part of the war. Suppose they put it there as a starting patrol for new players, as it was easier out of Wil then Kiel. :)

[JScones]

Yes. And RUb and subsequently most other mods change that too! ;)

[brunowe]

Much appreciated.
Personal medals and ranks are controlled in Basic.cfg.

[PLAYER_RENOWN]
AcademyBonus=1000
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1499; SCORE
RankLevel2=9000; SCORE
RankLevel3=15000; SCORE
MedalSettings0=0.25
MedalSettings1=0.5
MedalSettings2=1
MedalScore0=3000;2 class, SCORE
MedalScore1=7000;1 class, SCORE
MedalScore2=15000; knight, SCORE
MedalScore3=25000; oak leaves, SCORE
MedalScore4=37000;swords, SCORE
MedalScore5=50000;diamonds, SCORE
MedalScore6=70000;all, SCORE Note the values may differ on your install.

Simply adjust to your liking. SCORE = renown required.

You could add this block to SH3Cmdr's "Basic changes.cfg" file, which will ensure that your preferred values are used regardless of whatever mod you install. However, it would still be *very* prudent to review after installing any new mod.