the new Funkraum update 1.3

[donots76]

here a little view of my Funkraum 1.3.

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/4508/13ke1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/3908/21ak.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/3619/31rr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[donots76]

is not finish.i work on it.:rock:

[Myxale]

:stare:
I swear by Neptune and my Boot Donots you're driving me mad!:damn:
I wish i never saw those damned pics! Now i will be restless, needy and cranky till my Boot can get an update too! Curse you! :up: Look at the amazing work! The silvery frames! Ahhhh :damn:


Any relase Date?
(See needy already!)

[Kpt. Lehmann]

LOL, it is sexy isn't it. :arrgh!:

[donots76]

@ myxale:i dont know.

thx kpt Lehmann.i hope u like them.

[jaxa]

I can't see anything either:hmm:

[donots76]

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6818/17gf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

pic update................

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6738/28xf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/4098/34hk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9974/41sm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

@ jaxa look and found it.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

*wipes drool* fluu..bluu..guu...GIMMIE!

[Hawk U-375]

donots76.....Do you ever SLEEP??????????:huh: :doh: :rock: :up:

[jaxa]

Nothing changed - I can't see it:damn:
When will you release this update?

[donots76]

------------------news---------------------

:oops:

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3870/16uz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1740/21so.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9467/38cj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4526/45yl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

looks better????????

[jaxa]

donots, thanks for trying, but it didn't help:hmm:
I'll see it after installing:)
Cheers mate:up:

[Hawk U-375]

I see it...:hmm: Jaxa...did you try "refreshing"...the screen....

[Fabrice]

Looks amazing donots :up:
BTW, do you think the same (the rusty look I mean) can be done in the conning tower?

[donots76]

yes fabrice.in bordinstrumente 1.3

[donots76]

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6568/15zq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[donots76]

My Funkraumupdate 1.3 is ready.:sunny:

[Myxale]

ALAAARM!

FLuuuuten!

:lurk:

[jaxa]

Where can I download it from?

[Tigrone]

Donots,
A lot of loving work went into this. It looks great. When will it be up for download. Where are you going to put it up?

[donots76]

rapidshare???

[Myxale]

Dat is Wahnsinn!
Perfect work!
Perfect Sub
Perfect donots!:rock:

[Flybywire]

I am confused concerning the install procedures. I downloaded the rar file and have the 2 files inside. GW Bordinstrumente 1.2 and the Funkraum Upgrade 1.2 but understand this version 1.3 is the latest. Do I use JSMG and enable GW Bordinstrumente 1.2 in the usual way in the MODS folder. Then do I place the Funkraum Upgrade 1.3 folder in MODS and use the dat file as you discribed pointing to which folder?

HELP?

[jaxa]

Bordinstrumente 1.3? It sounds very interesting:up:

[donots76]

@ flybywire.sorry this is my error.it is the funkraumupdate 1.3.sorry for this mistake.:damn:

u install it with the dattexextract.ok?

[donots76]

@ Myxale: Das ist der absolute Oberhammer.

[donots76]

here is the new link for the Funkraumupdate 1.3

http://rapidshare.de/files/22168742/Funkraum_update_1.3.rar.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/22168742/Funkraum_update_1.3.rar.html)


this link is avaible for 7 days only.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA0A354F484A8FDD (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA0A354F484A8FDD)

i hope all of u can download this mod.

donots76 out

[snakech]

here is the new link for the Funkraumupdate 1.3

http://rapidshare.de/files/22168742/Funkraum_update_1.3.rar.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/22168742/Funkraum_update_1.3.rar.html)


this link is avaible for 7 days only.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA0A354F484A8FDD (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA0A354F484A8FDD)

i hope all of u can download this mod.

donots76 out
d/l also here inside the Bordinstrumente Folder
IE user
ftp://snakech.kicks-ass.org/
username: SH3
password: silent-hunter

Firefox user
ftp://SH3@snakech.kicks-ass.org/
password: silent-hunter

[Flybywire]

Donuts,

Did I describe your install correctly? Am a bit confused on the Funkraum 1.3 install. Is this correct? First I place the GW Bordinstrumente 1.2 folder into the MODS folder and enable with JSGME or do I wait until I replace textures in the next procedure before enabling? Then do I place the Funkraum Upgrade 1.3 folder into the MODS folder along with the dat program. Then I enable using the DatTexExtract.exe tool?

The part I am confused about is this from your instructions.
IV.After loading a .dat file, two buttons become available: "Extract all textures" and "Replace textures". Press the "Replace textures" button, and point to the MODS/GW Bordinstrumente 1.1 Funkraum Upgrade/data/Textures/TNormal/tex/ folder.

Would you mind further direction concerning this? Thanks!

[donots76]

@ Flybywire :
My name is Donots....

First I place the GW Bordinstrumente 1.2 folder into the MODS folder and enable with JSGME:
yes

Then do I place the Funkraum Upgrade 1.3 folder into the MODS folder:

no.u dont put this funkraumupdate 1.3 in "Mods" folder.

Start the included DatTexExtract.exe texture exporting/importing tool.
Press the "Load Chess Set" button and open NSS_Uboat7_RR.dat located in your Data/Interior/NSS_Uboat7 folder. The result of this operation is displayed in the text area; you can see there all the textures included in the selected .DAT file, in the [texture name] [size] [color depth] format.
After loading a .dat file, two buttons become available: "Extract all textures" and "Replace textures". Press the "Replace textures" button, and point to the MODS/GW Bordinstrumente 1.1 Funkraum Upgrade/data/Textures/TNormal/tex/ folder.
Files will be imported into the .dat file. The result of this operation is displayed in the text area.
Repeat Steps III and IV for the Type IX and XXI respectively.

[Fabrice]

:up::up::up::up:

[Tigrone]

Donots,
I am sorry, but I think you are misspeaking. Your installation instructions say to put the Funkraum Upgrade into the JSGME Mod folder, but your note to Flybywire says not to? How can one point the DatTexExtract application there ["...point to the MODS/GW Bordinstrumente 1.1 Funkraum Upgrade/data/Textures/TNormal/tex/ folder"] if the file is not there? Also, there is no file named "GW Bordinstrumente 1.1 Funkraum Upgrade." Is that just a typographic error? The file we are speaking of is really "Funkraum Upgrade 1.3," isn't it?

Could you do a new, step-by-step, install instruction for this Funkraum upgrade? The files in the Funkraum Upgrade seem to be normal texture *.tga's? Why is a special application/tool and modification of the "NSS_Uboat7_RR.dat" needed? Are the *.tga files being converted to text code lines?

Asch, U-38
---------------------------------------------------------------

Donots: "no.u dont put this funkraumupdate 1.3 in "Mods" folder."
"Start the included DatTexExtract.exe texture exporting/importing tool.
Press the "Load Chess Set" button and open NSS_Uboat7_RR.dat located in your Data/Interior/NSS_Uboat7 folder. The result of this operation is displayed in the text area; you can see there all the textures included in the selected .DAT file, in the [texture name] [size] [color depth] format.
After loading a .dat file, two buttons become available: "Extract all textures" and "Replace textures". Press the "Replace textures" button, and point to the MODS/GW Bordinstrumente 1.1 Funkraum Upgrade/data/Textures/TNormal/tex/ folder.
Files will be imported into the .dat file. The result of this operation is displayed in the text area. Repeat Steps III and IV for the Type IX and XXI respectively."


Versus: "Installation"
=============================
I. Extract the content of GW Bordinstrumente 1.1 Funkraum Upgrade.7z into the MODS folder created by JSGME in your SHIII directory.

[donots76]

Installation
1 Start the included DatTexExtract.exe texture exporting/importing tool.
2 Press the "Load Chess Set" button and open NSS_Uboat7_RR.dat located in your Data/Interior/NSS_Uboat7 folder. The result of this operation is displayed in the text area; you can see there all the textures included in the selected .DAT file, in the [texture name] [size] [color depth] format.
3 After loading a .dat file, two buttons become available: "Extract all textures" and "Replace textures". Press the "Replace textures" button, and point to the Funkraum Upgrade 1.3/data/Textures/TNormal/tex/ folder.
4 Files will be imported into the .dat file. The result of this operation is displayed in the text area.
5 Repeat Steps III and IV for the Type IX and XXI respectively.

[Reece]

Hi Don, do you have to install the 1.1 then 1.2 then 1.3 or can you install from stock game to 1.3?:D
Thanks.

[Hawk U-375]

Where can I download it from?


Yes please.......:|\\ :rock:

[Tigrone]

Originally Posted by donots76
here is the new link for the Funkraumupdate 1.3

http://rapidshare.de/files/22168742/Funkraum_update_1.3.rar.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/22168742/Funkraum_update_1.3.rar.html)


this link is avaible for 7 days only.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA0A354F484A8FDD (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA0A354F484A8FDD)

i hope all of u can download this mod.

donots76 out

[Tigrone]

Hi Don, do you have to install the 1.1 then 1.2 then 1.3 or can you install from stock game to 1.3?:D
Thanks.

Funkraum 1.3 is just the Funkraum update only. 1.2 is a major update to Bordinstrumente. 1.1 has some files and folders not in 1.2, and I am still not sure if 1.2 is a meant to be an update to 1.1 or to be a stand alone.

I thought exactly as you and installed 1.2 over 1.1, then 1.3 over those to merge all 3. Now, I'm not sure if that is correct. I think you are just supposed to install 1.2 over 1.1, then you download 1.3 to a neutral folder. I believe you then install 1.3 by just using the install application that comes with it, and never put 1.3's *.tga files in the game's "data/Textures/TNormal/Tex" folder.

Donots told Flybywire, "no.u dont put this funkraumupdate 1.3 in "Mods" folder."

This is really a question to Donots:
1. Do we overwrite 1.1 with 1.2?
2. Do we ever put the Funkraum 1.3 .tga files in "data/Textures/TNormal/Tex" folder?
3. What happens if we do put the Funkraum 1.3 .tga files in the TNormal/Tex folder without using the DatTexExtract.exe texture exporting/importing tool?

I feel embarrased to ask, and I do apologize for my lack of understanding. I am just a plug & play user and configuring code in files gets away from me very quickly. For example, I feel comfortable using JSGME, but I do not feel comfortable using SH3Cmdr.

[Reece]

Hi 8x15 (is that large or small), I go that bit further to make the mod JSGME compatable:
I unpack to Mods folder & extract/update textures with the DatTexExtract utility, Then I create the 3 appropriate folders in the mods folder & move the 3 xxxxRR.dat to these folders, the go back to the original folders and rename the xxxxRR.000 back to xxxxRR.dat.!:up: This way it's back to original & can simply install with JSGME!:D Hope you can follow this!;)

Edit: Just did a test from stock to 1.3, then 1.1 to 1.2 to 1.3, compared the end results & the files were exactly the same, therefore each version is accumulative.

[Tigrone]

Thanks Reece. I was guessing, but did not know, that might be how to do it. I just always try to "Do no harm," and I am paranoid about any changes to files.

Note, an 08x15 is pretty big: Model 1908/1915 Spandau Heavy Machine Gun. It's big, heavy, clunky, hard to maintain, and inefficient. Something that's an 08/15 is a German equivalent of FUBAR.

[Tikigod]

is there any other downloads for this other than rapidshare? couldn't find it at realsimulation.....and rapidshare links are down as always...the bedsheets look outstanding! can't wait for the new update you are working on...

[Mast]

Damn...how'd I miss this mod? Does anybody have a link that works?:ping:

Mast

[Tikigod]

he is updating a new version but, from the above posts it looks like its only in grey wolf packs not released individually.....Im trying to find the smaller update...I just want the bed sheets....until the new updated version comes out...

[Mast]

Ah...ok. Thanks Tikigod.

Mast

[GT182]

I too completely missed this mod..... was at MAAM's WWII Weekend when it came out and still not home when the time limit was reach to download it. This was a great looking mod.

I hope you find the smaller update soon TG to pass around, or Don finishes his update soon. I might be shutting down my internet connection soon and need them plus GWX as soon as I can get them. Looks like we could be moving soon.

[kylania]

I too completely missed this mod..... was at MAAM's WWII Weekend when it came out and still not home when the time limit was reach to download it. This was a great looking mod.

You didn't miss anything GT182, this post is six months old. It's another necro post that's confusing people like you into thinking you missed something recent, when it's actually something from months to a year ago.:nope:

[donots76]

Hi.u like my mod???thx.Here is the update "onboard int 1.0".get it here:

http://hosted.filefront.com/donots76/

[GT182]

by Kylania
You didn't miss anything GT182, this post is six months old. It's another necro post that's confusing people like you into thinking you missed something recent, when it's actually something from months to a year ago.

BTW.... This was recent.... June this year, not one a year old or more. Maybe to you it's as you say but to the rest of us I don't think that's the case. And IMO your comment was uncalled for. I believe an appology to Don is in order.

Don, thanks for the update and the work you've done. :up: More of us appreciate what you do, and the rest of the modders also, than you all might think. Some of us wish we had the talent you all have to the things you all have given to us for free. You've all made more out of the sim than anyone else could imagine. Too bad it's not appreciated by some.

[bunkerratt]

ok ...i may make a fool of my self here..but ..ahh..the int looks just like the one i'm using that was in caritios unchange and adding versions?..:hmm:

[Tikigod]

I too completely missed this mod..... was at MAAM's WWII Weekend when it came out and still not home when the time limit was reach to download it. This was a great looking mod.
You didn't miss anything GT182, this post is six months old. It's another necro post that's confusing people like you into thinking you missed something recent, when it's actually something from months to a year ago.:nope:
kylania you have issues....there are people on this forum that aren't on it on a 24 hour day by day basis....I haven't played sh3 since february or so...which is well beyond your 6 month tolerance for "most recent posts".......

I'm trying to catch up on things here as well....so am I confused? yes....but, that is why I am on the forum to begin with....to read old outdated "necro posts" and find out what has been going on since I left....

I don't understand why you post this same response everytime someone asks a question about an old topic....its more redundant than the necro posts you dislike....

take a break sometime....they are wonderful :sunny:........

[Tikigod]

Thanks donuts76 for posting link! your textures are excellent! :up:

[kylania]

kylania you have issues....there are people on this forum that aren't on it on a 24 hour day by day basis....I haven't played sh3 since february or so...which is well beyond your 6 month tolerance for "most recent posts".......

I'm trying to catch up on things here as well....so am I confused? yes....but, that is why I am on the forum to begin with....to read old outdated "necro posts" and find out what has been going on since I left....

I don't understand why you post this same response everytime someone asks a question about an old topic....its more redundant than the necro posts you dislike....

take a break sometime....they are wonderful :sunny:........
My point was proven by GT's post saying he "missed" this mod since he was away this weekend. He didn't miss anything, but bumping a six month old post made it seem that way.

You can read all the old posts you want, just keep in mind that bumping a thread which contains outdated and expired links isn't helping anyone. Either PM the mod maker and ask for an update or post a NEW thread and ask about the progress. That way information given is either updated and timely (as in donot's "I have an upgraded version here" post above) or clearly marked as old information (if donot had said, "since my eariler thread about this I updated..." or something).

I don't feel I owe donot an apology, his work (as with Tiki's!) is amazing and I've never said anything to indicate otherwise, but if he feels I owe him one, than "I'm sorry". I just don't feel that dredging up threads from four months ago with unusable links is the proper way of making updates known to recent users on an internet forum. It simply causes problems and confusion.

I'm very happy to see that you're back Tiki, I remember spending a lot of time going through older posts to find your work myself. Perhaps the answer is to stop using rapidshare for hosting (which I see you've done in other posts), now a possiblity with sites like UBRS and FileFront and others. Since rapidshare is both annoying and fleeting it should die. :)

You're very right, people are not here 24/7 which is why I feel it's important to keep what information is displayed here useful. A thread with live and active links about such a wonderful mod is useful. A dead thread with unuseable links in the op and first page but burried three pages deep a recent response with a good link is less useful. I guess I'm the only one that feels that way though. :)

[GT182]

I didn't say that I missed it this weekend.... I missed it when it was first posted in June 06 while I was away.

So, why take up space with new discussions on an old subject when you can add to the old subject, and have all the info from the begining found without searching back for it. There are page numbers to select so you don't have to look in every page. Or don't you have that option turned on? Makes more sense than doing a search only to find many topics where you have no clue what's in them. Then having to search each and everyone to see if it has anything to do with the new discussion. if a link is broken it's for a reason and more than likely a new link will be added.

Besides it's their option to add to a discussion, not yours or mine. Like TG says, take a break.

[Mast]

Thank you very much donots76! :up:

Mast

[Tuddley3]

Outstanding work, nice to have a change of atmosphere. Now I'm waiting for Tiki to put Pinup's in the Captains Bunk.:up:

[Stormfly]

...so iam waiting for some penguins waxing this fine wood :yep:

Danke Don :D

[donots76]

thx Guys.U can download at Urbs.And test the other mod from urbs Simfeeling from "download central".:up:

[Jimbuna]

Great stuff donots...much appreciated :up: :rock:

[donots76]

:rock: Thanks :rock:

[Archive1]

Lovely work. What graphics program do you use to create these images?
Archive1

[donots76]

Thx Archive1.I work with Adobe Photoshop CS2.

[Yattky]

here is the new link for the Funkraumupdate 1.3

http://rapidshare.de/files/22168742/Funkraum_update_1.3.rar.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/22168742/Funkraum_update_1.3.rar.html)


this link is avaible for 7 days only.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA0A354F484A8FDD (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FA0A354F484A8FDD)

i hope all of u can download this mod.

donots76 out

These above 2 links are dead already, so could anyone upload this again?:ping:

[donots76]

u cant it download at a nother name.the new name is "Onboard Int. 1.0"
get it here.:up: and download my great "bachground menue 2" its another nice mod from me.

http://hosted.filefront.com/donots76/

[SquareSteelBar]

Hi don,

is it possible to upload both to UBRS?

SSB

[GT182]

SSB, Onboard Interior 1.0 rar is on page 5 in Download Central at UBRS. I don't see Funkraumupdate 1.3 there yet.

[Archive1]

Thanks. Again you do very nice graphics production. I would not try to duplicate it.
Archive1

[SquareSteelBar]

SSB, Onboard Interior 1.0 rar is on page 5 in Download Central at UBRS. I don't see Funkraumupdate 1.3 there yet. Hi GT182,

thanks for the hint. Didn't know that 'Onboard Int. 1.0' is already at UBRS.
You can't see 'Funkraumupdate 1.3' at UBRS because it's the same as 'Onboard Interior 1.0' as donots mentioned above. He also mentioned that there's a second package named 'background menue 2' but this isn't at UBRS yet. It's impossible for me to load it from FileFront.

Greetings,
SSB

[Kpt. Lehmann]

... and download my great "bachground menue 2" its another nice mod from me.


MY A$$ DONOTS76!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NEARLY ALL OF THIS WORK WAS PURPOSE BUILT BY BORIS FOR THE GWX PROJECT AND HAS BEEN STOLEN BY DONOTS76!!!

THIS WORK HAS BEEN RELEASED BY DONOTS WITHOUT ANY SORT OF PERMISSION GRANTED!!!

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME DONOTS76 HAS BEEN A LIAR AND A THIEF!


LOOKS LIKE DONOTS76 IS TRYING TO GET A JOB AT X-1!!

[Dowly]

Thanks alot Donots. :nope:

[terrapin]

ALL files by 'donots' deleted from UBRS DLC

[Boris]

DONOTS ICH KÖNNT DICH UMBRINGEN DU WIXER!!!! :x

Was soll die scheisse!

Man this **** pisses me off! That's weeks of my work you've callously just thrown out there... what the hell are you thinking! How the hell did you think to get away with this?

[JScones]

Good move Terrapin, especially when this thread is read in conjunction with http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=325724#post325724

Seems the evidence is stacking up against quick worker donots76. Clearly there's proof of plaguerism - how far does it extend is the next question... :nope: :nope: :nope:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

ALL files by 'donots' deleted from UBRS DLC

Thank you Terrapin.

I will provide total documentation of KNOWN files stolen by donots76 within 12 hours of this post.

Also of note- Translated from one of the German forums which we will also be documenting.

Donots wrote:
"Ich habe jetzt kontakte zu TeddyBar und werde bald nur für das NYGM team im artwork bereich arbeiten. "

Translation:
"I am now in contact with the Teddy Barr and will soon be working for the NYGM artwork department."

The GWX Dev team would HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DONOTS76 ANNOUNCING HIS DECISION TO WORK WITH NYGM... Had Donots76 not stolen files he had priveledged access to.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Found on the shipping list thread.


donots midget german submarine "Biber" and "his" Fiesler Storch are stolen out of the espona modell collection. Hi mates,

I think there are some more of 'his' mods stolen - more or less. I had this suspicion already some weeks ago in this thread [posts 17 and 20]:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97785

Since this day I always had doubts about the accumulation of his releases and the speed of creating new ships/planes.
Isn't it suspicious?

SquareSteelBar:nope:

[Pants]

I wished you well when you left..now you do this!
Shame on you, I pity the mod team that has you donots in thier modding team.
You sir are no better than a petty thief :down:

[Uber Gruber]

I shall hold off judgement until there is proof. However, if someone is guilty of releasing other peoples work whilst claiming it as their own then I have complete confidence that the person will be barred from working for the NYGM team.

I can say this because the NYGM team are gentleman and have a high standard of honour.

Cheers, Hans

[terrapin]

:hmm:

[Dowly]

:hmm:

:rotfl:

[terrapin]

:hmm:

:rotfl:
...:lol:

[Boris]

I shall hold off judgement until there is proof. However, if someone is guilty of releasing other peoples work whilst claiming it as their own then I have complete confidence that the person will be barred from working for the NYGM team.

I can say this because the NYGM team are gentleman and have a high standard of honour.

Cheers, Hans

What more proof do you need? 90% of that so called mod is my bloody work! Donots didn't even bother changing anything at all on my work... the grey wolves text on the campaign screen should be a dead giveaway :doh:

[Pants]

Even with the differences GW and NYGM have i would never wish NYGM bad luck.It's great for the community the there are choices of mods out there.
But I did not know Donuts is working with NYGM, DTB bud, becarefull with that guy.

[Dowly]

To add to Pants post: Keep watching the other SHIII forums too. :up:

[Uber Gruber]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uber Gruber
I shall hold off judgement until there is proof. However, if someone is guilty of releasing other peoples work whilst claiming it as their own then I have complete confidence that the person will be barred from working for the NYGM team.

I can say this because the NYGM team are gentleman and have a high standard of honour.

Cheers, Hans


What more proof do you need? 90% of that so called mod is my bloody work! Donots didn't even bother changing anything at all on my work... the grey wolves text on the campaign screen should be a dead giveaway :doh:
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I haven't looked at the mod yet and I imagine it will be difficult to obtain it as it has already been deleted from many places. So, without any proof, I cannot condemn someone. I think thats a resonable stance don't you ?

[VonHelsching]

Disgraceful, to say the least.:nope:

This calls for a ban in Subsim for this "productive" person, once all evidence comes forth.

[Boris]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uber Gruber
I shall hold off judgement until there is proof. However, if someone is guilty of releasing other peoples work whilst claiming it as their own then I have complete confidence that the person will be barred from working for the NYGM team.

I can say this because the NYGM team are gentleman and have a high standard of honour.

Cheers, Hans


What more proof do you need? 90% of that so called mod is my bloody work! Donots didn't even bother changing anything at all on my work... the grey wolves text on the campaign screen should be a dead giveaway :doh:
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http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/KptLehmann/potato.jpg (http://www.users.on.net/%7Ejscones/GWX/)
Download The Grey Wolves v1.1a (http://www.users.on.net/%7Ejscones/TGW/#dl)

I haven't looked at the mod yet and I imagine it will be difficult to obtain it as it has already been deleted from many places. So, without any proof, I cannot condemn someone. I think thats a resonable stance don't you ?

Well If you haven't seen it yourself then don't comment at all. I don't mean to sound rude, but the last thing donots deserves right now is clemency.
I have always made a point of staying out of these scandals in the past and like to think I've been a rather mild mannered forum member... but he's stolen my work now... AND I bloody know its mine. If you don't want to look at the content yourself then you'll have to accept that it's the GW teams word (who all know and see my work all the time) or donots, who has already stolen from other places too.

There is no doubt that this is not his work, absolutely none... it could'nt be any more blatant!

[Kpt. Lehmann]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/icons/icon1.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uber Gruber
I shall hold off judgement until there is proof. However, if someone is guilty of releasing other peoples work whilst claiming it as their own then I have complete confidence that the person will be barred from working for the NYGM team.

I can say this because the NYGM team are gentleman and have a high standard of honour.

Cheers, Hans


What more proof do you need? 90% of that so called mod is my bloody work! Donots didn't even bother changing anything at all on my work... the grey wolves text on the campaign screen should be a dead giveaway :doh:
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Download The Grey Wolves v1.1a (http://www.users.on.net/%7Ejscones/TGW/#dl)

I haven't looked at the mod yet and I imagine it will be difficult to obtain it as it has already been deleted from many places. So, without any proof, I cannot condemn someone. I think thats a resonable stance don't you ?

The link to donots76 filefront page is on page four of this thread... Download it and see for yourself.

Everyone leveling these accusations at donots has seen the proof.

[Uber Gruber]

Well If you haven't seen it yourself then don't comment at all. I don't mean to sound rude, but the last thing donots deserves right now is clemency.
I have always made a point of staying out of these scandals in the past and like to think I've been a rather mild mannered forum member... but he's stolen my work now... AND I bloody know its mine. If you don't want to look at the content yourself then you'll have to accept that it's the GW teams word (who all know and see my work all the time) or donots, who has already stolen from other places too.

There is no doubt that this is not his work, absolutely none... it could'nt be any more blatant!

Hang on a second mate, I can understand your anger and frustration if your work has been stolen but I will not accept being told my oppinion. I will NOT condemn anyone unless I have seen enough proof to convince me of their guilt.

I do NOT have to accept anyone's word of someone elses guilt without proof...period.

I would love to see the content but, like I said, that will prove quite difficult now that its been removed from all download sites I know of (perhapps you can give me a link to it ?)

And finally, instructing me to not comment when I haven't seen something is in fact very rude.


Sheesshhh, its all well and good making posts accusing someone of X and Y but don't expect me to just go "Oh yeah, he must be guilty cos Joe Bloggs said so"...i'm not a bloody US Republican Voter you know....i need a little more convincing!

:shifty:

[Uber Gruber]

The link to donots76 filefront page is on page four of this thread... Download it and see for yourself.

Everyone leveling these accusations at donots has seen the proof.

Thankyou Kpt for the link, I will download it this evening and have a look.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Uber Gruber...

Here is the link on a silver platter.

We have ALL reviewed it and we KNOW Boris' work.

[Link deleted]

This IS exactly what we are SAYING it is.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

The link to donots76 filefront page is on page four of this thread... Download it and see for yourself.

Everyone leveling these accusations at donots has seen the proof.

Thankyou Kpt for the link, I will download it this evening and have a look.

This is not for you to decide whether it is theft or not... or to champion some sort of alternative explaination. You were not present during its design... and are therefore unqualified to even comment on it.

We are RIGHTFULLY PISSED!!! This IS outright theft.

I will list the individual KNOWN files after a bit of desparately needed sleep.

[Uber Gruber]

Thanks again Kpt.

I don't doubt your, or anyone elses, oppinions here...I'll review it this evening and judge accordingly.

Cheers, Hans.

[Uber Gruber]

This is not for you to decide whether it is theft or not... or to champion some sort of alternative explaination.

We are RIGHTFULLY PISSED!!! This IS outright theft.

Firstly, it is completely up to me to decide whether I feel someone is guilty or not.

Secondly, what other alternative explanation have I championed ? Why are you accusing me of that ? I am, and have, only stated that I need proof beyond doubt to condemn someone and that I thankyou for providing me with a link to a potential source of proof.

I really think you should calm down and re-read my posts....I think then you'll realise that you're over-reacting.

Cheers, Hans.

[bigboywooly]

Mind you its a bit difficult for non GWX members to tell as they havent seen the GWX screens yet
Well till they look at Donuts mod anyway

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Thanks again Kpt.

I don't doubt your, or anyone elses, oppinions here...I'll review it this evening and judge accordingly.

Cheers, Hans.

These are NOT OPINIONS THAT WE ARE STATING and you are not one to make the Judgement.

Neal Stevens is.

Screw your minimization of the problem!

[Uber Gruber]

You were not present during its design... and are therefore unqualified to even comment on it.

Absolute rubbish! I am free to comment on anything in these forums whilst I remain within the realms of acceptable usage policy. I take offence at your remark to be honest and am very suprised you are reacting in this totalatrian fashion.

Really!

[Dowly]

Oi, calm down a bit there Kpt. & Gruber!

As it is stated, only the GWX team can say for sure that Donots stole the files, because we have seen them being done. We have no reasons to accuse Donots with out a proof. The GWX team has seen the files and confirmed that they are taken and released without reason. Just like Donots did when he was still part of the team.

[Pants]

KL i know we are pissed but please dont have ago at Uber, he's not privvy to all the facts.
Uber please dont take it personally, we are under HUGE stress, lack of sleep and trying to get this sorted.
I can only tell you from our side it is indeed theft from boris, once you see the files it should remove all doubt.

[Uber Gruber]

These are NOT OPINIONS THAT WE ARE STATING and you are not one to make the Judgement.

Neal Stevens is.

Screw your minimization of the problem!

Sigh...that about says it all really. :nope:

[Boris]

I apologise for my rudeness... I knew I was being rude, but like you've probably gathered by now we're REALLY pissed off.

The only concrete proof you're going to get if if you look at the contents of mine and/ or Donots hard drives.
Man, many of the items in those screens are real items that I touched with my own hands! I bought that apple at my local Coles Supermarket in Bendigo, Australia, and cut it with the very same knife on the screen... which used to be my grandfather's from WW2.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

You were not present during its design... and are therefore unqualified to even comment on it.

Absolute rubbish! I am free to comment on anything in these forums whilst I remain within the realms of acceptable usage policy. I take offence at your remark to be honest and am very suprised you are reacting in this totalatrian fashion.

Really!

You are unqualified to comment on it sir because you are simply not familiar with the work. Looking at a thing with which you have no acquaintance in order to state an opinion on it is utterly useless.

We take offence at your pretending to be an arbitrator in a matter that you appear to be ready to gloss over.

After months of work day in and day out... I will not stand by and let our collective original works go without a fight. If this is "totalitarianism" so be it.

I call it "standing up."

[Uber Gruber]

You are unqualified to comment on it sir because you are simply not familiar with the work. Looking at a thing with which you have no acquaintance in order to state an opinion on it is utterly useless.

We take offence at your pretending to be an arbitrator in a matter that you appear to be ready to gloss over.

After months of work day in and day out... I will not stand by and let our collective original works go without a fight. If this is "totalitarianism" so be it.


Okay, points to clear up (it woudl really help if you re-read my posts)

1. I have never pretended to be an arbitrator - please provide proof of this.

2. I have never appeared to be ready to gloss over the matter, on the contrary, I enter a topic to find someone who has been a member of this community for quite a while being accused of theft, followed by a post from yourself stating that you will have all the proof in 12 hours. I therefore respond stating I will make MY oppinion when I have seen the proof....i.e. when I am familiar with the work in question......now, is that "glossing over the matter" ?

3. I did not call your will to "not stand by and let our collective original works go without a fight" totalatarianism....I was refering to the attitude expressed in your comment, and I quote: "You were not present during its design... and are therefore unqualified to even comment on it."

Why are you posting here that someone has stolen one of the GW Team's work then at the same time posting that no one who is not a member of the GW team can comment ? Why ? Seriously ?

Sorry Kpt. But it seems to me you're venting your spleen on me and, quite frankly, you're doing it in a un-gentlemanly manner. May I suggest you get some sleep and then come back to us tomorrow ?

Cheers, Hans.

[Boris]

Ok, Uber, no hard feelings please. Just understand that we are very irate people right now and will have a tendency to snap at you. It's nothing against you.

Ok... I found some concrete proof for everyone to see. Only some of the original photos I took for one of the menu screens. Those who have it will recognise it.

http://s15.quicksharing.com/v/4567029/APFEL.rar.html (http://s15.quicksharing.com/v/4567029/APFEL.rar.html)

[Uber Gruber]

No hard feelings whatsoever Boris - just healthy debate. Thanks for the link, am downloading now.

Cheers, Hans.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Dammit. I may be tired... but even in dueling on occasion with others...

have you ever seen me turn left like this before? There's good reason for it mate. I never go for anyone's throat... unless I am certain it is appropriate.

Donots has made it onto my short little list of those gone to the dark side.

No doubt this will also only add to the stupid idea that we are all about just "sound and graphics" as well... and plenty of fallout will come from that.

I am beginning to wish I'd never laid eyes on SH3 or tried to make it better than it is.

[Uber Gruber]

Well there's no doubt about it, the apple and knife pics supplied by Boris bear a startling resemblance to the following in game pic from the mod downloaded from Donots link which he claimed to be his own.

It is my oppinion that this certainly begs an explanation from Donots.
http://www.kluki.com/images/waw/P1010009_rescale.JPG
http://www.kluki.com/images/waw/ingamepic.gif

[JScones]

Further, compare "donots" intro screen with the one Reece released back in July. Startling similiarities. Indeed, the only difference in donots' screen happens to be smudging in the area where the words "Das Boot" appears on Reece's screen.

The likelyhood that donots found the exact same image, cropped and coloured it exactly the same bar a patch of mis-coloured smudging (by mis-coloured I mean compare the actual colours - the dark areas in Reece's show a consistent RGB value of 8,4,5 even behind the text whereas the "smudge" in donots' is 8,0,0)...well...yes it's technically different, but with no source credits, I think that needs explaining too...

[Kpt. Lehmann]

JCWolf has been affected by this too. A work in progress of his is also in the same set of files donots76 uploaded.

[SubConscious]

Dammit. I may be tired... but even in dueling on occasion with others...

have you ever seen me turn left like this before? There's good reason for it mate. I never go for anyone's throat... unless I am certain it is appropriate.

Donots has made it onto my short little list of those gone to the dark side.

No doubt this will also only add to the stupid idea that we are all about just "sound and graphics" as well... and plenty of fallout will come from that.

I am beginning to wish I'd never laid eyes on SH3 or tried to make it better than it is.

Please don't give up the ship (or boat, in this case). I'm in agreement that donots should be banned, but I suppose we'll have to leave that up to the moderators.

FWIW, I'm eagerly awaiting the release of GWX. I'm purposely going to play in my bare feet, as I'm expecting any socks worn to be blown off.

Hang in there - and Godspeed!

[bigboywooly]

FWIW, I'm eagerly awaiting the release of GWX. I'm purposely going to play in my bare feet, as I'm expecting any socks worn to be blown off.

Hang in there - and Godspeed!

:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

@Sub Conscious,

Don't worry mate. I'm too stubborn to quit...

Besides, I think my team would have my head all squishy on a plate if I tried.

[VonHelsching]

Further, compare "donots" intro screen with the one Reece released back in July. Startling similiarities. Indeed, the only difference in donots' screen happens to be smudging in the area where the words "Das Boot" appears on Reece's screen.

The likelyhood that donots found the exact same image, cropped and coloured it exactly the same bar a patch of mis-coloured smudging (by mis-coloured I mean compare the actual colours - the dark areas in Reece's show a consistent RGB value of 8,4,5 even behind the text whereas the "smudge" in donots' is 8,0,0)...well...yes it's technically different, but with no source credits, I think that needs explaining too...

JS,

Can you please post the two images?

Thanks,

Von

[SubConscious]

@Sub Conscious,

Don't worry mate. I'm too stubborn to quit...

Besides, I think my team would have my head all squishy on a plate if I tried.

Good to know! :up:

(meant in the most respectful manner, of course ;) )

[Jimbuna]

@Sub Conscious,

Don't worry mate. I'm too stubborn to quit...

Besides, I think my team would have my head all squishy on a plate if I tried.

Very well said KL....that's the assurance all of us are looking for :up:

NOW STOP SLACKIN AND GET BACK TO WORK ON GWX BEFORE WE HAVE YOU KEEL HAULED!!! :D

[Uber Gruber]

I don't know about you but the following two pics look a tad similar. The first was supplied by Donots in his post titled "The new GW mask" which can be foud here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=91983&highlight=DONUTS

The second comes from an Open Source game called Danger from The Deep, which can be found at here:
http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/gallery.php (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=91983&highlight=DONUTS)

http://www.kluki.com/images/waw/gwmask.jpg

http://www.kluki.com/images/waw/dangerfromdeep.jpg

[mr chris]

GWX dev team, iam shocked that someone would try and steal then try to pass work off as his own. :nope: :nope: :nope: This im my opinon is the lowest of the low, you guys are better rid of people like this and so are the comuinty as a whole.:yep: Hang in there guys from what i have read on other threads the end is slowly coming round the corner.:yep: As the saying goes where i work "THE IS NO I IN TEAM!" Now you guys keep up the great work the whole of the comuinty is behind you:up: :arrgh!:

[CCIP]

Guys, a reminder to PLEASE refrain from raising too much heat here.

If the temperature goes up again, I'll be forced to delete posts or close the thread, and that'd be a shame since there's a lot of rather important information that might have gone through this.

The last thing we need is a lynching mob.

[Onkel Neal]

I've been reading the posts and looking at the screens mentioned. Certainly, GW Team would be the best to judge if their work has been plaqurized, and I think the correct move would be to make a case in a thread like this so the community can decide for themselves.

I'm a big proponent of intellectual property rights. I can understand why GW Team would be ready to fight if they feel their work has been used without permission by a former member of their team.

Where is donuts76... and donuts76, why haven't you replied to this issue?

The only authority I assume is the right to remove someone's mods from the Subsim section and remove someone from the Radio Room forums, if the situation warrants it. If 20 people claim Donuts76 stole mod work and I cannot get any explanation from Donuts76, I'm left with little choice. As I've said before, the first step is for the parties to try to settle this offline. If that has been tried and a settlement cannot be achieved, posting a bulletin in the forum is acceptable.

In many cases, mod work is borrowed with permission or very general in nature and can be found in several versions. But not when a specific piece of art or code is used, against the wishes of the acknowledge author.

[AVGWarhawk]

All I can say is "WOW". :nope: You got some pretty hard evidence there. The question is what to do with this hard evidence......I sure hope this does not put a stop to GWX. I have been sitting patiently using 1.1 waiting on the GWX masterpiece.:yep: Make me happy for Christmas:D

[Boris]

I've been reading the posts and looking at the screens mentioned. Certainly, GW Team would be the best to judge if their work has been plaqurized, and I think the correct move would be to make a case in a thread like this so the community can decide for themselves.

I'm a big proponent of intellectual property rights. I can understand why GW Team would be ready to fight if they feel their work has been used without permission by a former member of their team.

Where is donuts76... and donuts76, why haven't you replied to this issue?

The only authority I assume is the right to remove someone's mods from the Subsim section and remove someone from the Radio Room forums, if the situation warrants it. If 20 people claim Donuts76 stole mod work and I cannot get any explanation from Donuts76, I'm left with little choice. As I've said before, the first step is for the parties to try to settle this offline. If that has been tried and a settlement cannot be achieved, posting a bulletin in the forum is acceptable.

In many cases, mod work is borrowed with permission or very general in nature and can be found in several versions. But not when a specific piece of art or code is used, against the wishes of the acknowledge author.


Thanks for your attention on this Neal.

I've uploaded a little more now... some of the elements that I could scrounge up that I used to build some of the menu screens with.

http://s15.quicksharing.com/v/8091361/Evidence.rar.html (http://s15.quicksharing.com/v/8091361/Evidence.rar.html)

There should be enough in there to prove beyond a doubt that I made those screens.

[GT182]

In the immortal words of Frank Barone, from the comedy show "Everybody Loves Raymond"...

"Holy crap Marie!!" :o

I too hope the GWX team carries on. You guys don't deserve this mess after all the hardwork you've put into this super mod. Stand tall and steadfast, things will work out for the best for all of you.

[Razman23]

I've been reading the posts and looking at the screens mentioned. Certainly, GW Team would be the best to judge if their work has been plaqurized, and I think the correct move would be to make a case in a thread like this so the community can decide for themselves.

I'm a big proponent of intellectual property rights. I can understand why GW Team would be ready to fight if they feel their work has been used without permission by a former member of their team.

Where is donuts76... and donuts76, why haven't you replied to this issue?

The only authority I assume is the right to remove someone's mods from the Subsim section and remove someone from the Radio Room forums, if the situation warrants it. If 20 people claim Donuts76 stole mod work and I cannot get any explanation from Donuts76, I'm left with little choice. As I've said before, the first step is for the parties to try to settle this offline. If that has been tried and a settlement cannot be achieved, posting a bulletin in the forum is acceptable.

In many cases, mod work is borrowed with permission or very general in nature and can be found in several versions. But not when a specific piece of art or code is used, against the wishes of the acknowledge author.



Neal, this is your website and you can do with it what you want but if it was me, I would pull any 'work' that is claimed as being stolen from the website until either it is proven the work has been stolen or it is in fact original as the modder says.

Since I do not know how many people make up the GWX Team, I have seen enough to tell that what Team GWX says is true.

Donut hole is guilty and I vote for him to be kicked to the curb.

Ban Donots ----> One vote for yes.:mad:

[Dowly]

As he is not replying to any of this, he is digging his own grave. If someone would release his own made mod and then someone would accuse him of stealing, I bet the modder would fight back, not just keep quiet as Donots is doing.

[Boris]

To be honest, if I were in Donot's position I'd be doing the same thing, and just accept that its over. There's really nothing he can say to justify what he did... other than apologise maybe.

[Dowly]

That´s what I meant. It´s basically another proof of his theft for anyone who is still not sure what to think.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

For the record and as promised, here is a list of stolen works from the Funkraum Update 1.3 mod:

(these tga's can be found in both the "day" and "night" versions of the mod in question)

data/Menu/Data-

Birou01Stretch tga- Boris
Campagne02 tga- Boris
career tga- Boris
high libht campagne tga- Boris
Hilightbirou 01 tga- Boris
Startcampaign tga- Boris

data/Menu/Gui

Clog tga- Boris
MOrderBgnd tga- Boris
RadioMsg tga- Boris

data/Menu/Gui/Layout

Flaggen tga- JCWolf (this tga was a work in progress by JCWolf for GWX... I don't know if this tga was used by permission or not. RL duties have prevented JCWolf from interaction with us for some time.)

data/Menu/Loading-

Intro tga- Reece (I don't know if donots76 obtained permission for this)

All works listed by Boris were original and purpose-built for GWX.

[Ducimus]

ouch. At least he didnt run off with any of the core hard data files.

[Boris]

ouch. At least he didnt run off with any of the core hard data files.

Or did he?

[Kpt. Lehmann]

ouch. At least he didnt run off with any of the core hard data files.

Or did he?

Time will tell. We know our work.

[U-snafu]

I usually stay clear of the debate and hot threads but could not help myself:

As he is not replying to any of this, he is digging his own grave. If someone would release his own made mod and then someone would accuse him of stealing, I bet the modder would fight back, not just keep quiet as Donots is doing.

I don't believe he ever replied to the claims that his crew cap mod, Storch plane, and biber sub mod were stolen (at least in public)--He just kept churning out new mods:hmm: . I was wondering how he came out with something new almost every other day:arrgh!: . So I don't expect he will reply here.

This is as petty as you can get---donots--Is the thanks and compliments for a new "gee whiz" mod on a forum from a bunch of guys you really don't know personally worth your integrity??

[Der Teddy Bar]

I have just seen the Subsim threads regarding the latest concerns of Donots76 stealing. In this instance it appears that the issue is beyond doubt and as such I could not have him as part of the NYGM Team.

I can understand & sympathise with how disheartning this type of situation can be for a moder and/or mod team. I wish to extend my support and best wishes to the GW team and know that they will overcome this hurdle and deliver a knock out package in GWX.

[Der Teddy Bar]

ouch. At least he didnt run off with any of the core hard data files.
I can only speak for the NYGM Team when I say none of the GWX work has been shared with me. That is, donots76 has not supplied or offered to supply GWX files. Nor has he spoken of, described or referred to GWX features.

[Ducimus]

Well DTB, im sure the GW will appreciate your support. Maybe someday we'll all be able to bury the hatchet. Although im no longer on the GW team, i feel that your cooperation in this matter,is a step in that direction. Im sure im not the only one who's tired of all the backbiting cloak and dagger sublte dig shennanigans past or present.

BTW, you know im still upset about that 3rd flotilla mod in your documents directory. I dont mind you using it, its flatering honestly, but at least say whos work you based it off of. Oh well, old news, i just thought id poke ya in the ribs a little for fun.

[Reece]

Intro tga- Reece (I don't know if donots76 obtained permission for this)
Kpt. Lehmann, Donots did not ask (though I haven't actually seen his mod) for my permission to use any of my mods, had He, I would have given permission without hesitation. Really the credit for the 'Das Boot' Screens belong to the creators of 'Das Boot', The picture & the title, (I didn't ask for their permission to use their pictures & hope the don't mind.:oops:) ---- But I Just love that movie!:D

[kylania]

I think the most important thing to remember during all of this is that Boris does some freaking incredible work and that GWX will completely rock! :rock:

[Yattky]

u cant it download at a nother name.the new name is "Onboard Int. 1.0"
get it here.:up: and download my great "bachground menue 2" its another nice mod from me.

http://hosted.filefront.com/donots76/

To donots 76
Very sorry for my late reply...
I was very busy and didn't have much time to check this site.
I just got it from your web folder which you mentioned above.
Thank you very much!:up:

[kylania]

:o

:hmm:

:huh:

[_Seth_]

u cant it download at a nother name.the new name is "Onboard Int. 1.0"
get it here.:up: and download my great "bachground menue 2" its another nice mod from me.

http://hosted.filefront.com/donots76/
To donots 76
Very sorry for my late reply...
I was very busy and didn't have much time to check this site.
I just got it from your web folder which you mentioned above.
Thank you very much!:up:
:o:o:o Sorry mate, but have you read this thread........???

[joea]

u cant it download at a nother name.the new name is "Onboard Int. 1.0"
get it here.:up: and download my great "bachground menue 2" its another nice mod from me.

http://hosted.filefront.com/donots76/
To donots 76
Very sorry for my late reply...
I was very busy and didn't have much time to check this site.
I just got it from your web folder which you mentioned above.
Thank you very much!:up:
:o:o:o Sorry mate, but have you read this thread........???


I just PMed him outlining the situation. I am guessing Yattky doesn't have much time to visit the forums and just quickly replied to Donuts to be polite ... :know:

[HunterICX]

:stare: I hate people that steal others hard work, and try to get credits for it.
Donuts what kind of person are you!!! there is no respect in doing that
its an low life act what you done and now you pay for it.

@Boris, seeing the screenshots you did a good job, and you spend a lot of time in that. will it appear in GWX?:hmm: :up:

@GW Dev Team: I hope this act wont interfer with ur projects keep ur heads high and lucky you grabbed the thief on time

[Boris]

@Boris, seeing the screenshots you did a good job, and you spend a lot of time in that. will it appear in GWX?:hmm: :up:


Of course! That's what its there for... :up:

[Stiebler]

@Dulcimus:

You keep complaining that NYGM has in some way ripped-off your 3rd Flotilla mod, most recently in this thread:
BTW, you know im still upset about that 3rd flotilla mod in your documents directory. I dont mind you using it, its flatering honestly, but at least say whos work you based it off of. Oh well, old news, i just thought id poke ya in the ribs a little for fun.
NYGM has a reputation to protect. May I please just set the record straight?

NYGM was approached by 'BdU' at Wolves-at-War (WAW), which uses the NYGM mod for its patrols, to introduce a little variety with the patrol starting points. BdU suggested the 3rd Flotilla would be a good idea.

Therefore I spent many hours working out how to introduce the La Rochelle base for the 3rd Flotilla, since I'd never done this kind of work before. Our resident 'menu-items' expert (Observer) was, and currently still is, too tied up with normal work to do it himself. I can state categorically that, at the time of introducing La Rochelle, I had never seen (or perhaps had seen but not remembered) your 3rd Flotilla mod. I am, of course, aware of it now, since you keep referring to it. But I made no reference to it whatsover when doing my own work - a pity for me, perhaps, since it might have saved me a lot of work by trial-and-error!

Having completed -and tested - the La Rochelle side of things, I sent the whole lot to Observer, with fistfuls of notes on how to add Wilhelmshafen (sic; my error) too, if required. Observer, who has more talent than me, subsequently added Kiel (not Wilhelmshafen) and polished my contribution. That is the origin of the NYGM 3rd Flotilla mod.

I notice from the quote above that you say only that we 'based' our mod on yours, which implies that you agree that we have not copied your own work. Indeed, it would be an amazing fluke if, for example, the U-boat ran out from exactly the same grid references as yours in La Rochelle harbour. Presumably you have verified that this and similar small details do not correspond to your work - I don't need to look.

As the French might say: All understood, all forgiven now?

Stiebler.

[Yattky]

u cant it download at a nother name.the new name is "Onboard Int. 1.0"
get it here.:up: and download my great "bachground menue 2" its another nice mod from me.

http://hosted.filefront.com/donots76/
To donots 76
Very sorry for my late reply...
I was very busy and didn't have much time to check this site.
I just got it from your web folder which you mentioned above.
Thank you very much!:up:
:o:o:o Sorry mate, but have you read this thread........???


I just PMed him outlining the situation. I am guessing Yattky doesn't have much time to visit the forums and just quickly replied to Donuts to be polite ... :know:

Yeah, that's right, joea...
I received your mail and thanks.
I have been busy and don't have enough time to visit and read this forum these days.
I downloaded his mod with no intention but after I read your notice, I deleted the stolen one at once.

[joea]

No problem Yattky. I answered your PM. :know:

[Safe-Keeper]

It's very sad when things like this happens. It's not fun to have your ideas or products ripped off. The boldness of Donots surprises me, however, I find it hard to believe that he could think he would get away with this.

As I like to say: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - and the least respectful one". Refering of course to the unsanctioned imitation, or outright theft.

[Stormfly]

urgghh... and i thought that Oakgrouve just changed his nick to Donuts, or something like an agreement...

...now this penguins wont wax the wood any more :dead:

[Safe-Keeper]

urgghh...Q.E.D.:down:

[Stormfly]

urgghh...Q.E.D.:down:

:hmm: may i ask what for Q.E.D stand ?

[Seeadler]

urgghh...Q.E.D.:down:
:hmm: may i ask what for Q.E.D stand ? Quod erat demonstrandum

[Safe-Keeper]

Which means "which was to be proven". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_Erat_Demonstrandum)

For the rest of you: If you want to use someone's work - ask first.

Ban Donots ----> One vote for yes.:mad::up:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

A couple of things here...

First and foremost...To: UBER GRUBER... I am sorry that I lost my cool with you. You didn't deserve it... and in the end you actually helped us prove our case against donots76.

To: Der Teddy Barr and the NYGM mod team... The GW team offers their thanks for your support in this matter. It is much appreciated... and it is good to know our guns are pointed in the same direction for a change.

To: Everyone else

Donots76 should be banned.

It is not easy to look this problem in the eye. It takes a bit of intestinal fortitude to carry out punishment. There are a hundred other things you could chooose to do that allow your existence to stay on the simple side. It would be simpler to just ignore it and wait for it to go away.... to just sweep it under the carpet.

Those of you who only come here to see what you can get ... you cannot fully understand the meaning of what has happened.

For those of you who are modders... and have spent your time trying to make this game better... and take a personal responsibility for the longevity of this community... I hope you will take a moment to step back and imagine how you would feel if this happened to you...

... that someone took your work... put their name on it... and called it theirs for their own personal edification.

Even on the best of days, I think you'd feel as if someone just took a leak on your neck.

If this is swept under the carpet... and donots76's weak non-specific apology is accepted... It will happen again.

We don't always see eye to eye in this place... but some of you have been affected by theft and plagiarism before... A message must be sent. It cannot be tolerated.

I've slept on it... calmed down... and still find that I am an angry grey wolf who has a pack to protect.

[joea]

I agree 100% with you sir. :yep:

[anzacmick]

:smug: iknow what u mean and agree 100%

[Reece]

I certainly can understand you feeling that way Kaptain but after all that has been said and done in the numerous threads I do think that he's been punished enough, however I doubt that he would ever swallow his pride and apologise, not after all of this, certainly if he did you can be sure he would never happen again.:D Looking back he had done quite a few lagitimate mods, why he stooped so low as to take credit for other peoples work we may never know, anyway it does no one any good to continually hold a grudge!:)

[Dowly]

IMO, there havent been a punishment yet. Saying that he´s a bad boy isnt enough. Boris made that screen for quite some time and now when someone stole it, we just say; "NO, bad boy Donuts! Bad boy!! Sit! Stay! Play dead!"

[The General]

A couple of things here...

First and foremost...To: UBER GRUBER... I am sorry that I lost my cool with you. You didn't deserve it... and in the end you actually helped us prove our case against donots76.

To: Der Teddy Barr and the NYGM mod team... The GW team offers their thanks for your support in this matter. It is much appreciated... and it is good to know our guns are pointed in the same direction for a change.

To: Everyone else

Donots76 should be banned.

It is not easy to look this problem in the eye. It takes a bit of intestinal fortitude to carry out punishment. There are a hundred other things you could chooose to do that allow your existence to stay on the simple side. It would be simpler to just ignore it and wait for it to go away.... to just sweep it under the carpet.

Those of you who only come here to see what you can get ... you cannot fully understand the meaning of what has happened.

For those of you who are modders... and have spent your time trying to make this game better... and take a personal responsibility for the longevity of this community... I hope you will take a moment to step back and imagine how you would feel if this happened to you...

... that someone took your work... put their name on it... and called it theirs for their own personal edification.

Even on the best of days, I think you'd feel as if someone just took a leak on your neck.

If this is swept under the carpet... and donots76's weak non-specific apology is accepted... It will happen again.

We don't always see eye to eye in this place... but some of you have been affected by theft and plagiarism before... A message must be sent. It cannot be tolerated.

I've slept on it... calmed down... and still find that I am an angry grey wolf who has a pack to protect.Let me be the first to call for your resignation 'Kpt.' Lehmann. As GW project leader you must except ultimate responsibility for what has happened. This isn't the first time I've questioned your judgement either.

[Pants]

I certainly can understand you feeling that way Kaptain but after all that has been said and done in the numerous threads I do think that he's been punished enough, however I doubt that he would ever swallow his pride and apologise, not after all of this, certainly if he did you can be sure he would never happen again.:D Looking back he had done quite a few lagitimate mods, why he stooped so low as to take credit for other peoples work we may never know, anyway it does no one any good to continually hold a grudge!:)
Sorry no disrespect,you sir are entitled to your opinion i would never stop anyone from expressing thier opinion but.Theft is Theft however much you candy coat it, if people are not "punished" what is to stop said Thief from re-affending.If someone steals from you in the "Real" world you would contact the police and want justice.In "this" world said police are forum admins(Whatever forum).

[Dowly]

@The General

You can ask for it, but you wont get it. If Kpt. resigns, I´m pretty sure so will alot of others too and GWX will be another never finished mod.

Oh and what 'ultimate responsibility' are you talking about? We did not know that Donots would continue his actions after we kicked him out of the team. So, dont blame us of what Donots does.

[Pants]

A couple of things here...

First and foremost...To: UBER GRUBER... I am sorry that I lost my cool with you. You didn't deserve it... and in the end you actually helped us prove our case against donots76.

To: Der Teddy Barr and the NYGM mod team... The GW team offers their thanks for your support in this matter. It is much appreciated... and it is good to know our guns are pointed in the same direction for a change.

To: Everyone else

Donots76 should be banned.

It is not easy to look this problem in the eye. It takes a bit of intestinal fortitude to carry out punishment. There are a hundred other things you could chooose to do that allow your existence to stay on the simple side. It would be simpler to just ignore it and wait for it to go away.... to just sweep it under the carpet.

Those of you who only come here to see what you can get ... you cannot fully understand the meaning of what has happened.

For those of you who are modders... and have spent your time trying to make this game better... and take a personal responsibility for the longevity of this community... I hope you will take a moment to step back and imagine how you would feel if this happened to you...

... that someone took your work... put their name on it... and called it theirs for their own personal edification.

Even on the best of days, I think you'd feel as if someone just took a leak on your neck.

If this is swept under the carpet... and donots76's weak non-specific apology is accepted... It will happen again.

We don't always see eye to eye in this place... but some of you have been affected by theft and plagiarism before... A message must be sent. It cannot be tolerated.

I've slept on it... calmed down... and still find that I am an angry grey wolf who has a pack to protect.Let me be the first to call for your resignation 'Kpt.' Lehmann. As GW project leader you must except ultimate responsibility for what has happened. This isn't the first time I've questioned your judgement either. Where the HELL do you get off saying THAT!! When Donuts got caught stealing the first time he was punished by us. Now he has contuned OUTSIDE the gw teamteam and he needs to be punished again.
You sir "The General" are a bloody idiot! Was KL personally responseable for donots theft..NO
Did KL Punish him when he was a member of GW for stealing..YES
So before you make a stupid remark/statment like that get your Fracking Facts straight.

[danlisa]

A couple of things here...

First and foremost...To: UBER GRUBER... I am sorry that I lost my cool with you. You didn't deserve it... and in the end you actually helped us prove our case against donots76.

To: Der Teddy Barr and the NYGM mod team... The GW team offers their thanks for your support in this matter. It is much appreciated... and it is good to know our guns are pointed in the same direction for a change.

To: Everyone else

Donots76 should be banned.

It is not easy to look this problem in the eye. It takes a bit of intestinal fortitude to carry out punishment. There are a hundred other things you could chooose to do that allow your existence to stay on the simple side. It would be simpler to just ignore it and wait for it to go away.... to just sweep it under the carpet.

Those of you who only come here to see what you can get ... you cannot fully understand the meaning of what has happened.

For those of you who are modders... and have spent your time trying to make this game better... and take a personal responsibility for the longevity of this community... I hope you will take a moment to step back and imagine how you would feel if this happened to you...

... that someone took your work... put their name on it... and called it theirs for their own personal edification.

Even on the best of days, I think you'd feel as if someone just took a leak on your neck.

If this is swept under the carpet... and donots76's weak non-specific apology is accepted... It will happen again.

We don't always see eye to eye in this place... but some of you have been affected by theft and plagiarism before... A message must be sent. It cannot be tolerated.

I've slept on it... calmed down... and still find that I am an angry grey wolf who has a pack to protect.Let me be the first to call for your resignation 'Kpt.' Lehmann. As GW project leader you must except ultimate responsibility for what has happened. This isn't the first time I've questioned your judgement either.

@ The General
Are you refering to the responsibilty that Kpt Lehmann has in ensuring that his team members are trustworthy enough not to release/steal any work? If so there are many members of the GW Dev Team and the Kpt can't be 'looking over' each members shoulder all the time. There has to be some amount of trust within the team.

The team also has a huge list of files to edit or renew to achieve the spectacular results that they have so far. These can't all be accounted for all of the time. There is also the matter of Beta testing, the larger the test base, the more likely any 'bugs' maybe picked up.

This is a matter of trust and this is why I feel the GW dev's feel so let down by one of their former members actions.

I feel that you may have been a bit harsh in your post toward Kpt Lehmann. This is my view. I don't speak for the GW Devs.

[Dowly]

Is it a plane?! Is it a train!? No, it´s Gibs!

Duck & Cover!! :rotfl:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Let me be the first to call for your resignation 'Kpt.' Lehmann. As GW project leader you must except ultimate responsibility for what has happened. This isn't the first time I've questioned your judgement either.

Ask me if I give a damn about how many times you question my judgment. When you have the information that we do... maybe my care factor of your opinion may come up a bit above zero.

[VonHelsching]

Let me be the first to call for your resignation 'Kpt.' Lehmann. As GW project leader you must except ultimate responsibility for what has happened. This isn't the first time I've questioned your judgement either.

This is the second time you are provoking in purpose members of the GW team. In the previous time you claimed that you done this to provoke answers regarding the GWX release. A pittyful method, I may add, that made most of the members of the team losing some productive hours to useless posting.

Now you are provoking again, for a purpose known (and understood) only by you. I assume that you do not have the slightest clue what modding is all about, and from your last post, basic ethics principles.

If provoking is your hobby, from now on, this will not work, at least with me. You are on my ignore list.

Bye

[The General]

You're loyalty is touching but misguided, allow me to retort.

If GWX had been finished within a reasonable time-frame then there would be no issues of people stealing files or the like.

If Lehmann was a Project Manager in a professional capacity, he would have been replaced long ago.
The release of SH4 would make GWX instantly redundant. Don't tell me you'll even look at SH3 once it comes out, you're just kidding yourself.

SH4 is practiacally on the shelves and GWX is 'entering the beta testing phase'? How pretentious is that? Shape up or ship out.

Don't waste your time talking to me, get on with it!

[Pants]

You sir are a bellend.
say hello to my ignore list BuhBye!

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Get bent.

[danlisa]

You sir are a bellend.
say hello to my ignore list BuhBye!

Love It:rotfl: :rotfl:

How can we comment on time frames when we have not seen the final product.

[The General]

"A little revolution every now and then is a healthy thing, don't you think?" - Captain Ramius, The Hunt for Red October

[The General]

"A little revolution every now and then is a healthy thing, don't you think?" - Captain Ramius, The Hunt for Red October"It is better to live a short and meaningful life... than a long and miserable one."

"It's better to burn out, than fade away."

I've met smarter fish than you people.

[mr chris]

You sir are a bellend.
say hello to my ignore list BuhBye!

Well said pants :yep: :up:
Kpt. Lehmann i hope you realize that this guys just speaks for himself. Without your and your dev teams hard work with GW and now with GWX many many people would have never had the fun they are having now playing SH3. Keep up the great work :up: Dont let idiots like that put you and your dev team down:up:
Hopefully that is the end of the stupid posts asking for Kpt. Lehmann to quit:yep:

[bigboywooly]

You're loyalty is touching but misguided, allow me to retort.

If GWX had been finished within a reasonable time-frame then there would be no issues of people stealing files or the like.

If Lehmann was a Project Manager in a professional capacity, he would have been replaced long ago.
The release of SH4 would make GWX instantly redundant. Don't tell me you'll even look at SH3 once it comes out, you're just kidding yourself.

SH4 is practiacally on the shelves and GWX is 'entering the beta testing phase'? How pretentious is that? Shape up or ship out.

Don't waste your time talking to me, get on with it!

Reasonable time frame ? SH3 was NEVER finished , in a time frame longer than we had and by full time professionals

If Kpt Lehmann was a project manager in a professional capacity with a full time professional team GWX would have been finished a long time ago but as we all have real world lives it takes time

Dont kid yourself we are all interested in SH4 cos we aint

I have no interest in SH4 and am not the only one so for you to ASSume we will all drop SH3 is as misguided as the rest of your posts

How pretentious is that

Forget shaping up just ship out

Ignored

[Txema]

Lehmann. As GW project leader you must except ultimate responsibility for what has happened. This isn't the first time I've questioned your judgement either.


To the GWX team: please, do not loose your valuable time with this troll. Just ignore him. He is not worth even a second of your time.

Keep up your excelent work. Looking forward to GWX !!!


Txema

[Kpt. Lehmann]

You're loyalty is touching but misguided, allow me to retort.

If GWX had been finished within a reasonable time-frame then there would be no issues of people stealing files or the like.

If Lehmann was a Project Manager in a professional capacity, he would have been replaced long ago.
The release of SH4 would make GWX instantly redundant. Don't tell me you'll even look at SH3 once it comes out, you're just kidding yourself.

SH4 is practiacally on the shelves and GWX is 'entering the beta testing phase'? How pretentious is that? Shape up or ship out.

Don't waste your time talking to me, get on with it!

Reasonable time frame ? SH3 was NEVER finished , in a time frame longer than we had and by full time professionals

If Kpt Lehmann was a project manager in a professional capacity with a full time professional team GWX would have been finished a long time ago but as we all have real world lives it takes time

Dont kid yourself we are all interested in SH4 cos we aint

I have no interest in SH4 and am not the only one so for you to ASSume we will all drop SH3 is as misguided as the rest of your posts

How pretentious is that

Forget shaping up just ship out

Ignored

Where are the mods made by "The General." I'm having trouble finding them.

[kylania]

SH4 is practiacally on the shelves and GWX is 'entering the beta testing phase'? How pretentious is that? Shape up or ship out.

GWX is around a month to a month and a half out now according to recent posts by dev members.

SH4 is slated to be released "Spring '07" according to UbiSoft having no content on it's webpage and the only update being three screenshots and a video on the SH3 website. So even in a perfect world that would still be 5 months out.

However, we know it's UbiSoft, so anything less than an 6 month extention to the realease day is childish optimism, so you're looking for a release day 9-12 months from now. That's hardly "practically on the shelves". Heck, even if it's launched Jan 1, 2007 GWX would still beat it.

Please stop trolling, you've helping nothing.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

In case I need to defend myself...

My real life work takes first place with my time. I work NO LESS than 60 hours per week on an ambulance in my city.

We are always under-manned... and our work load is very high. I am tired 24/7 whether I sleep two hours or ten.

In an unfortunate second place... are my girlfriend Natasha and my two retrievers (who I also consider part of the family)... They all deserve the Knights Cross for putting up with all of the suffering that dealing with GWX has caused them.

Somehow in all of this... I am determined to see the GW project that I started more than a year ago, come to a logical conclusion and result in the best quality mod we can produce. This means dealing with coding that cannot have an expiration date placed on the solution when we KNOW the answer is not in hard code.

After GWX is done we will support it with updates and hopefully a final "total package" when we agree that it is time to stop.

SHIV only interests me from the player aspect... and then only in passing. My passion is for the U-boats... and for supporting Iblitz and WaW as soon as I can find a bit of time to do so.

You may hate us or you may love us... either way... We will release when I say we release... If it doesn't meet a certain level of quality... it will cook some more until ready.

I hate the waiting as much as you do.... I want to sail GWX as much as you do... Testing it is NOT fun... but we have lives and jobs required to maintain our lives.

If you cannot wait for GWX... you don't have to.

If you want to bitch and moan and only come to the table with "gimme gimme gimme" just go the hell away.

[mr chris]

Kpt. Lehmann ,you have need to deffend yourself you are doing a great job:yep: :up:
It just sad that certian people seem to think that real life does not exist. They seem to live in sh3 world where everything is rosey and you never have to work just play sh3 and other computer games all day long. These people need to rememeber that people make mods in there SPARE TIME! I look forward to GWX, as i have said many times before take as long as you need:up:

[Dowly]

@The General

As it is already stated, how can you talk about GWX time frame when you dont have a clue what all it changes and improves?

[danlisa]

@ Kpt Lehmann

There is no need to defend yourself or your team. You all work miracles in the small time available to you in RL.

I'm know that you have unconditional support from 99% of the forum members, myself included.

Please continue without further thought to this matter. I'm sure that any doubters will be the first to praise your new release.(they did before;) )

[fredbass]

If GWX had been finished within a reasonable time-frame then there would be no issues of people stealing files or the like.

If Lehmann was a Project Manager in a professional capacity, he would have been replaced long ago.
The release of SH4 would make GWX instantly redundant. Don't tell me you'll even look at SH3 once it comes out, you're just kidding yourself.

SH4 is practiacally on the shelves and GWX is 'entering the beta testing phase'? How pretentious is that? Shape up or ship out.

You wouldn't know what reasonable time-frame is because we don't know what they're dealing with since they do this for free in their spare time, dumbass. (hint: spare) You're lucky you get anything for free.

[FIREWALL]

"A little revolution every now and then is a healthy thing, don't you think?" - Captain Ramius, The Hunt for Red October"It is better to live a short and meaningful life... than a long and miserable one."

"It's better to burn out, than fade away."

I've met smarter fish than you people.


You don't seem to be happy with this site or the people on it.
Maybe you would be happier at another site where those people
could appreciate your whole "wit".
You only seem to be using half of it here.:rotfl:
Such a waste.

[Boris]

You're loyalty is touching but misguided, allow me to retort.

If GWX had been finished within a reasonable time-frame then there would be no issues of people stealing files or the like.

If Lehmann was a Project Manager in a professional capacity, he would have been replaced long ago.
The release of SH4 would make GWX instantly redundant. Don't tell me you'll even look at SH3 once it comes out, you're just kidding yourself.

SH4 is practiacally on the shelves and GWX is 'entering the beta testing phase'? How pretentious is that? Shape up or ship out.

Don't waste your time talking to me, get on with it!

You Sir, are a complete douchebag... that is my well thought out and deliberated opinion :D

[The General]

Come on, admit it, my posts have been the most fun had on here for weeks!

I only wanted to get the blood flowing again, during this lull before the eagerly anticipated release of GWX and then SH4. You guys are doing the Lord's work. I know that this praise means something to you, because it was earned. You have gotten complacent with the many sycophants saying 'nice work' :up: every two minutes.

If you've got a problem with doing this work for free, then charge for it. I would pay in a heartbeat. Afterall, we're not communists.

Kapitan Lehmann, you work on the ambulances and I think that those guys don't get enough credit, or money for that matter, so start charging for using your programming talents! I can't do what you do, not many can. "The Lord helps those who help themselves." for Chris'sakes!

I'm a baad man.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

@General

As far as charging for what we produce... NEVER... FORGET IT. We'd be worse than X-1 and it violates the whole concept of our community here... and the way I view things in an old school sort of way... like modern proprietary scientific advances that used to be shared openly for the benefit of all.

I shouldn't have bothered to post any explaination of why things are the way they are. Your comments have NO EFFECT on our release date or our standards of production.

This thread is not about me... the GWX release date... or whatever pleasure you seem to think we get out of this madness.

It is about THEFT of PURPOSE BUILT INTELLECTUAL MATERIAL and the as yet un-determined consquence donots76 will be called on to pay.

I owe it to my team and all freeware modders here to see this through to its end.

[_Seth_]

hey .... i guess the kapitan and the general doesnt like each other......:hmm:

Remember,guys, making freeware mods doesnt make you a millionare. In the freeware modders community you have to trust people on the other side of the worls, whom you might never have seen. There is no such thing as a legal action against the revealing of company secrets, its all based on trust and integrity. Donots76 didnt have these two. He didnt have the entusiasm or the will of sacrifice that the true modders had, so he had to make a fast turn. "Fake it until you make it", thats his rule. I understand Kpt. Lehmanns anger, no doubt about that. Being occupied in his job, wich is probably both physical and psychological demanding, and having his girl at home + two dogs.... And still be project manager on the GW / GWX team..... I bow my head in respect, mate..
Please, without trying to make anyone angry, we are all on the same team here. We are different people, gathered around the interest of a computer game. The General didnt steal this work, Donots76 AKA "Bernard" did it. But The General had comments that should'nt be tolerated, i agree, but wisdom is something that comes to you as long as you lives. :know:





Dont let the anger hit the wrong people.

[Razman23]

"A little revolution every now and then is a healthy thing, don't you think?" - Captain Ramius, The Hunt for Red October"It is better to live a short and meaningful life... than a long and miserable one."

"It's better to burn out, than fade away."

I've met smarter fish than you people.


WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!

http://members.ij.net/captbob2112/troll.jpg

[Reece]

You certainly win the wooden spoon award for the biggest stirrer General, but a little overdone I think!:-?
No one is to blame for what Donots or any thief has done, but we must put it behind us and get on with what is most important, having fun!!:rock:
Many thanks to the GWX team for there huge efforts with no costs in producing a very good addon for SH3, especially when having to deal with pirates as well!:up:

[AVA]

Hi.Im new here in this forum.Whats going on here?:hmm:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

AVA read the posts on this thread... and you will know what is going on.

I've been reading the posts and looking at the screens mentioned. Certainly, GW Team would be the best to judge if their work has been plaqurized, and I think the correct move would be to make a case in a thread like this so the community can decide for themselves.

I'm a big proponent of intellectual property rights. I can understand why GW Team would be ready to fight if they feel their work has been used without permission by a former member of their team.

Where is donuts76... and donuts76, why haven't you replied to this issue?

The only authority I assume is the right to remove someone's mods from the Subsim section and remove someone from the Radio Room forums, if the situation warrants it. If 20 people claim Donuts76 stole mod work and I cannot get any explanation from Donuts76, I'm left with little choice. As I've said before, the first step is for the parties to try to settle this offline. If that has been tried and a settlement cannot be achieved, posting a bulletin in the forum is acceptable.

In many cases, mod work is borrowed with permission or very general in nature and can be found in several versions. But not when a specific piece of art or code is used, against the wishes of the acknowledge author.

[AVA]

Oh i understand..........:doh:

[Dowly]

Oh, welcome to SubSim! :up:

[The General]

I've been reading the posts and looking at the screens mentioned....

In many cases, mod work is borrowed with permission or very general in nature and can be found in several versions. But not when a specific piece of art or code is used, against the wishes of the acknowledge author.
Hey, I got name-checked by Neal, how cool is that?:rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Come on, admit it, my posts have been the most fun had on here for weeks!

I only wanted to get the blood flowing again, during this lull before the eagerly anticipated release of GWX and then SH4. You guys are doing the Lord's work. I know that this praise means something to you, because it was earned. You have gotten complacent with the many sycophants saying 'nice work' :up: every two minutes.

If you've got a problem with doing this work for free, then charge for it. I would pay in a heartbeat. Afterall, we're not communists.

Kapitan Lehmann, you work on the ambulances and I think that those guys don't get enough credit, or money for that matter, so start charging for using your programming talents! I can't do what you do, not many can. "The Lord helps those who help themselves." for Chris'sakes!

I'm a baad man.

"sycophants" you say!...YOU CHEEKY BASTA*D :down:

I was mindful to keep away from this thread...but having witnessed the cowardly and totally unnecessary way you have attacked Kpt. Lehman I now feel the need to respond ! :damn:

What on earth gives you the right to make such a dum ass subjective comment ?:nope:

Do you measure and judge a person merely by the premise that they lack the ability to mod a subsim game yet have the good manners and decency to thank those who do and in so doing make a game more enjoyable for countless others and in addition have the manners and common decency to thank them ? :nope:

I believe you do :down:

What do you know of the people who attend this forum ? :nope:

Very little I suspect :down:

You know the occupation of Kpt. Lehmann....
Speaking personally, I'll never understand how he finds the time to devote so much and for that reason I thank him...as do so many others here :rock:

I have two close associates who subscribe to this forum...one being a veteran of the troubles in Northern Ireland and the other having recently been in Afghanistan with Special Forces.

Myself..until not too far back I served as a Police Officer before taking up a new career representing employees in legal cases on employment issues.

None of us think we are anything special or different or better than anyone else...just ordinary folk getting on with our careers and trying to detoxify the stress on occasion with the help of a software programme.....WE CERTAINLY DO NOT PERCEIVE OURSELVES TO BE 'SYCOPHANTS' :damn:

There is so much more I could add to what has already been posted here about you, but I have exercised my right to freedom of choice and expression and sign off by saying "I FULLY SUPPORT THE Kpt. AND THE DEV TEAM WORKING ON GWX....................YOU ARE NOW THE SOLE OCCUPANT ON MY 'IGNORE LIST'..........YES YOU ARE A BAAD MAN......IGNORED

[The General]

Listen Bub, you'll be missing out on some entertaining posts by having me on your ignore list, but that's your loss. If there's anybody left who I haven't insulted, please feel free to contact me via private message so we can schedule a personal insult session, I wouldn't want anybody to feel left out. :|\\

By the way, I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise to Kpt Lehmann for upsetting him. It was only a bit of fun, in poor taste maybe, but: "War educates the senses, calls into action the will, perfects the physical constitution, brings men into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man."

Wooden Spoon & Troll Award Winner 2006

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Listen Bub, you'll be missing out on some entertaining posts by having me on your ignore list, but that's your loss. If there's anybody left who I haven't insulted, please feel free to contact me via private message so we can schedule a personal insult session, I wouldn't want anybody to feel left out. :|\\

By the way, I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise to Kpt Lehmann for upsetting him. It was only a bit of fun, in poor taste maybe, but: "War educates the senses, calls into action the will, perfects the physical constitution, brings men into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man."

Wooden Spoon & Troll Award Winner 2006

Speaking as a veteran... and for veterans everywhere... Your view on war is just sick... ill... and speaks of mental illness to me.

... and now that you've admitted to baiting, trolling, and thread hijacking...

Get lost.

This thread (now) is about theft and plagiarism.

[Uber Gruber]

Ban everyone! Down with people! Say no to this forum!

"The revolution is only a T-Shirt away".....Billy Brag

:|\\

[_Seth_]

Set up a multiplayer game, with donots76 Vs. GWX team (Or just Kpt. Lehmann). All of us (others) could be spectators. Let the torpedos do the talking! :rock: Thats the Subsim way of solving problems: The torpedo duel! (please choose torpedo..)

[The General]

Listen Bub, you'll be missing out on some entertaining posts by having me on your ignore list, but that's your loss. If there's anybody left who I haven't insulted, please feel free to contact me via private message so we can schedule a personal insult session, I wouldn't want anybody to feel left out. :|\\

By the way, I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise to Kpt Lehmann for upsetting him. It was only a bit of fun, in poor taste maybe, but: "War educates the senses, calls into action the will, perfects the physical constitution, brings men into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man."



Speaking as a veteran... and for veterans everywhere... Your view on war is just sick... ill... and speaks of mental illness to me.

... and now that you've admitted to baiting, trolling, and thread hijacking...

Get lost.

This thread (now) is about theft and plagiarism.I take it a hug is out of the question? For the record; the quote I used above is Emerson, one of America's most eminent poet, writer, philosophers and don't think he (if he were alive) would take too kindly to being called 'sick' or 'mentally ill'. By the way, when I used an American poet to quote I was being generous, I could have used a superior European writer. Don't worry, it's not my intention to make you look foolish, that's no challenge for me.

This bickering has gotten out of hand now and I don't wish to detain you any further from your work, besides, we've all waited long enough for GWX as it is. The great Neal Stevens himself has come down out of his Ivory Tower to tell me to 'quit upsetting you', so, I will now leave you to your mediocrity. Thank you and good day!

Wooden Spoon & Troll Award Winner 2006

[Dowly]

Set up a multiplayer game, with donots76 Vs. GWX team (Or just Kpt. Lehmann). All of us (others) could be spectators. Let the torpedos do the talking! :rock: Thats the Subsim way of solving problems: The torpedo duel! (please choose torpedo..)

Could we make it like that the on who gets hit, will get a slight electric shock? I´d like to send some acoustics on him. :up:

[danlisa]

The great Neal Stevens himself has come down out of his Ivory Tower to tell me to 'quit upsetting you', so, I will now leave you to your mediocrity.

I don't think it wise to mock Neal. He provides us this forum and that alone gives him immunity.

[bigboywooly]

Anyway you can all be assured SHIV wont be released before GWX
How could it ?
The devs are waiting for GWX for ideas :rotfl: :rotfl:

[fredbass]

Well I certainly hope that the General doesn't use GWX since he feels it took too long. In the mean time the rest of us will show the appropriate kind of appreciation, respect and patience that anyone with common sense would have.

What would happen if we didn't get mods anymore because of comments like yours? Everyone should keep that in mind b4 you make posts that could possibly do more damage than good.

[irish1958]

SHIII without mods is unthinkable. The game would have been dead in the water a year ago.
GWX rocks!!:up::up::up:

[Onkel Neal]

Hi.Im new here in this forum.Whats going on here?:hmm:

AVA, are you the same person as donuts76? Yes or no.

[kylania]

Hi.Im new here in this forum.Whats going on here?:hmm:
AVA, are you the same person as donuts76? Yes or no.

:gulp:

[Dowly]

Hi.Im new here in this forum.Whats going on here?:hmm:
AVA, are you the same person as donuts76? Yes or no.

:hmm:

[Payoff]

The plot thickens.

[AVA]

No.Who is donuts?????

[Onkel Neal]

Let me correct my spelling and try this again: AVA, are you the same person as donots76? Yes or no.

[Dowly]

Let me correct my spelling and try this again: AVA, are you the same person as donots76? Yes or no.

:hmm::hmm:

:rotfl:

[hamburger]

i mean the topic should now be sattled and we concentrate our energy on a better sh3. donots76 is banned and that's it...

neal, i think so too: AVA is the same person as donots76

[Soviet_Warlord]

Let me correct my spelling and try this again: AVA, are you the same person as donots76? Yes or no.
Why not see if their IP's are the same? Who knows, maybe it'll work.

[Razman23]

I've been reading the posts and looking at the screens mentioned....

In many cases, mod work is borrowed with permission or very general in nature and can be found in several versions. But not when a specific piece of art or code is used, against the wishes of the acknowledge author.
Hey, I got name-checked by Neal, how cool is that?:rotfl:


Youre a dumbarse.

[Jimbuna]

i mean the topic should now be sattled and we concentrate our energy on a better sh3. donots76 is banned and that's it...

neal, i think so too: AVA is the same person as donots76

The mind boggles ....or someone might be taking the pee!!!:hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

With the banning of donots76 and Mr. Steven's investigation of "AVA" as a possible pseudonym for the same...

All modders here who produce purpose-built original works and intend to exercise their right to be the first to release them and/or expect proper crediting of their works have been served... and a powerful message sent.

To all: I'm sure it may seem otherwise... but I have not gotten some sort of perverse pleasure out of all this madness. It has made me feel rather sick. This is however, not a GW specific issue... This is not just about Boris' artwork... It affects all modders.

Every post I made here, I asked myself... "Do you really want to be a bulldog here?" Well, I'll just say that when the time to stand up is at hand... my mood or "how I feel" is irrelevant.

Theft drains the life from the fire of new ideas, originality, and creativity. Where freeware is concerned... The only payment that authors expect here is simple and basic recognition. Even if you build on or improve another's work... they deserve a mention. They deserve credit for the ground they broke before you.

It isn't hard guys... to make a text readme and give a nod to the original authors. Often it is a simple matter of cut and paste of text... with an explaination of the changes made by you.
Real modders understand this. Real modders even admit when they make a mistake... fix it... and move on.

Everyone who takes time away from other things in an effort to make this game better is an asset to this community whether great or small... even when you don't agree with them or feel as if their contribution is meaningful to you.

That's all I have to say here.



Thou shalt not steal.

[The Noob]

Thou shalt not steal.


"Originally Posted by God"

God posted on a internet forum? Wow!

[Safe-Keeper]

I think this thread's outlived its purpose. It's exposed donots as a thief, tested the Kpt's integrity, gotten everyone tired of The General, and given a nice warning to everyone so that the GWX team and the rest of us should feel a little safer in the future. But all in all, it's just sad. Not to back-seat moderate, but may I ask for it to just be padlocked, boarded up, and abandoned?

My real life work takes first place with my time. I work NO LESS than 60 hours per week on an ambulance in my city.Good man. General, you want GWX released sooner, take some pressure off of Kpt by joining the Red Cross' Ambulance service in his city.

I hate the waiting as much as you do....Too true for all modders. With any project, the person who wants it to be done the most is the creator, not the recipients.

hey .... i guess the kapitan and the general doesnt like each other......No ****:p?

Come on, admit it, my posts have been the most fun had on here for weeks!http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/6227/hahkq9.th.jpg (http://img328.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hahkq9.jpg)
And that, dude, is the last attention you're getting from me.

Speaking as a veteran... and for veterans everywhere... Your view on war is just sick... ill... and speaks of mental illness to me.Now, now, let's not insult the mentally ill now, shall we?

The devs are waiting for GWX for ideas Very likely:cool:.

[P_Funk]

Well. That was a real workout on the eyes. Somehow over the last week I missed this thread and just enjoyed (not really) the whole opera in one act.:p

At this point there is no doubt as to Donots' guilt. But look at what this scandal did to US the honest SubSim folks (not me really since I missed it). We saw Kpt. Lehmann and Uber Gruber going at it and The General stirring the pot for some reason. One dishonest guy abuses the trust of freeware modders everywhere and suddenly it threatens the integrity and polite conventions of this community. HE stole and WE'RE fighting! The thread almost got closed!

I think there's a lesson somewhere in there. I don't want to judge anyone (aside from Donots). I'm just commenting. Maybe we need to take some perspective from all this. Don't let one drop in the pail ruin it for the rest of us.

Cheers to the GW team. You guys are real heroes (to me anyway). And remember that the HL2 Source code was jacked too and in the end it didn't hurt the game. Good luck to you guys.

And I want to give special praise to Uber Gruber. Though his pretention for not passing judgement prematurely attracted the ire of one I think it was a very important thing. Having this kind of mature outlook is actually very key to keeping our community honest and as strong as it is. And in the end, as Kpt. Lehmann said, it helped prove the point all the more. So cheers to Uber Gruber for keeping his values in the midst of all this.

Hell, Cheers to everybody!:up:

[Tikigod]

Who did the kriegsmarine bedsheets? I redid my pinup girls mod with the new sheets from this mod and I don't know who to give the credit to.

[hamburger]

@ jimbuna
my english is not so well and it develops misunderstandings.

again: yes, that all is scandalous and i deleted the stuff i know donots did. okay?
maybe AVA is donots. well and? donots is history and he cannot harm us any longer. i did not want that the mind continues to head up unnescessarily here. you understand now?

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hamburger

[hamburger]

oh, @P_Funk :up: :up: :up:

[Jimbuna]

@ jimbuna
my english is not so well and it develops misunderstandings.

again: yes, that all is scandalous and i deleted the stuff i know donots did. okay?
maybe AVA is donots. well and? donots is history and he cannot harm us any longer. i did not want that the mind continues to head up unnescessarily here. you understand now?

Your command of English is a lot better than my command of German :up:

My earlier comment was a suggestion that it could well be donots who was 'taking the pee' :hmm:

Peace and Regards :D
Jimbuna

[The General]

While this may be hard for some to believe, the sole intention of my posts on this thread were to make this thread as entertaing as it could be. I used the momentum and drama inherent to the 'case of the missing files' to fuel my evil scheme. We laughed, we cried, we hurled insults. Some may bare me ill will, but that's a small price to pay for entertainment.

I don't dislike anybody on here, especially Kpt Lehmann. I don't know the guy! He sounds like a good guy to me and I wish him all the best.

I don't want GWX released sooner if it's not ready, if it's taking a while, it probably means it's gonna be awesome and well worth the wait.

I have played SH3 longer than any other game/sim and that is partly thanks to the modders.

I'll be back!:arrgh!:

Wooden Spoon & Troll Award Winner 2006

[Uber Gruber]

And I want to give special praise to Uber Gruber. Though his pretention for not passing judgement prematurely attracted the ire of one I think it was a very important thing. Having this kind of mature outlook is actually very key to keeping our community honest and as strong as it is. And in the end, as Kpt. Lehmann said, it helped prove the point all the more. So cheers to Uber Gruber for keeping his values in the midst of all this.

Thankyou...<blush>....I'm not sure what to say really as i'm not very good with compliments...<blush>....but I do like this forum, alot in fact. SHIII is the game i've played longer than any other game in my life. This is mainly due to the mods that are constantly made available and updated and the existance of WaW (http://www.wolvesatwar.org).

It's for this reason that I personally admire greatly the effort modders, like Boris, put into their work. There are two "super mods" for SHIII, namely GW and NYGM. As I work in IT, I really appreciate the shear ammount of time and effort that project managers put into these super mods. Kpt. Lehmann, as project manager for the GW team, rose valiantly to defend and protect the efforts of the modding team and should be accorded a resounding applause for doing so. :up:

I have one caveat however, if these forums lose their gentlemanly honour and descend into anarchy then it will inebitably fracture, divide and finally kill the subsim community as a whole.

I love humour, I love healthy debate and I love this forum.......we all have a part to play in keeping it this way.

Cheers, Hans.

PS: NYGM for ever :arrgh!: