What happens if you fire a man out of a torpedo tube? [Archive]

TLAM Strike

05-31-06, 01:26 PM

Might it be nobody has ever thought of this? :hmm:
Ever seen "The Man With the Golden Gun"? or "The World is not Enough" or "Never Say Never Again"? :D

The crew of the USS Holland SS1 once tried to shoot the ship's dog mascot out the torpedo tube to test it as a escape system. The put the dog in the tube, flooded it up and fired. The crew topside saw no trace of the dog. They drained the tube and found the dog totally dry- he found a spot in the tube to hide in.

MaHuJa

05-31-06, 06:55 PM

Norwegian subs have used torpedo tubes as "marinejeger" (think SEAL) "deployment chamber" for a long time.

Or at least, that's how I've been hearing it.

I believe that were you to actually impulse fire them, though, you'd have a lot of broken bones to deal with. The idea is that they swim out themselves.

Kurushio

05-31-06, 06:58 PM

Poor dog. :lol: Though no...I don't recall ever seeing a film where I saw that happen. I've seen most of the Bond movies...but not the ones after Moore (the ultimate James Bond INMHO).

Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! :smug: Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread! :yep:

Enigma

05-31-06, 06:59 PM

The crew of the USS Holland SS1 once tried to shoot the ship's dog mascot out the torpedo tube
.......
:o

TLAM Strike

05-31-06, 07:15 PM

Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! :smug: Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread! :yep:
Some people who have worked with them say the MK46 has that capability.

The NU90 might have it too. Anti-Torpedo weapons are being worked on by several navies.

BTW if anyone is instrested that story about the dog came from 'A Century of Silent Service' from SCS
http://battlefront.com/products/css_dvd/index.html
Its a good DVD.

LoBlo

05-31-06, 07:15 PM

I think most SF use the subs escape hatches for deploying. Some the the newest USN subs have special SF chambers (Trident SSGN and VA).

LoBlo

05-31-06, 07:21 PM

Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! :smug: Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread! :yep:

Nothing bizzare about that idea at all. Its actually in the works, with the main obstacle an accurate enough guidance system to get close enough for a successful kill... hard to achieve. There's a nice article about it somewhere on the net, but I've lost the link. It was either on the main Subsim.com page or maybe SeaPower Magazines site somewhere I forget.

Henson

05-31-06, 09:37 PM

SeaQueen

05-31-06, 09:47 PM

Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! :cool: A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it.

http://www.military.com/forums/0,15240,98288,00.html

http://www.afcea.org/signal/articles/anmviewer.asp?a=577&z=85

TLAM Strike

05-31-06, 10:06 PM

...with the main obstacle an accurate enough guidance system to get close enough for a successful kill... hard to achieve. Ivan took a more practical approach: throw a whole F*cking lot of ordnance at the torpedo. Maybe that’s why they've had an anti-torpedo system on their warships since 1957.

(I of course am talking about the Russian RBU systems)

:know:

LuftWolf

06-01-06, 02:57 AM

Solid Snake was shot out of a torpedo tube to open the game in the original Metal Gear Solid.

He was in a torpedo-like single person underwater infiltration craft.

FERdeBOER

06-01-06, 05:03 AM

I was thinking of this as a way to deploy special forces without surfacing. Why not eject them out of the tubes (with special equipment, of course). Might it be nobody has ever thought of this? :hmm:

I think is possible if you use less power (maybe less compressed air) on the launch.

Here's another idea of mine...how about they invent an anti-torpedo...torpedo?! A torpedo which, when launched, homes onto another torpedo with the sole purpose of destroying it. Wow, I'm just full of stupid ideas tonight! Hey...we can make this the bizzare naval ideas thread!

Stupid idea for the war? You will surprise about the things the military engineers and scientists thinks. :shifty:
I've seen a chapter of the serie "Soldiers", presented by Frederic Forsyth about engineers... and the ideas developed during the WWII for crossing rivers and for destroying mines are... :rotfl: but some were effective.
For example, USSR scientits thought on launch millions of dark papers (well, no paper, but similar) on the North Pole to cover the surface. That would make the ice to retain more hot, and it will begin to melt. If the North Pole melts, the sea level will increase... and USA has more coast, more important cities (almost all important city), and more population on that cities than the USSR...

You want more? Training "intuitive" people to find and even kill people from miles of distance with their mental power (don't laught, even to try to find Osama).

So, your ideas are more than serious :up:

Kurushio

06-01-06, 06:46 AM

Damn...and I was just about to patent that idea about the anti-torp torpedo. :damn: Just shows there aren't many original ideas left...

FerdeBoer...yeah I've read the Soviets had all these strange ideas. Must be all the vodka. :lol: Though that thing about melting the arctic ice is similar to Agent Orange the US used in Vietnam. I know the Russian army uses dogs to carry ammo even today...in London they opened a new memorial (massive thing) dedicated to animals who "fought" in wars. Ridiculous thing. It says in big writing "THEY HAD NO CHOICE...." :lol: Stupid also because they still don't have any choice...:rotfl:

TLAM Strike

06-01-06, 11:49 AM

LuftWolf

06-01-06, 01:01 PM

The Russians developed all kinds of nice weapons.

The one that sticks out in my mind is the one with the Pavlovian trained dogs used as anti-vehicular mines. The Russians trained dogs to find their food under large vehicles. They then strapped mines on short sticks on top of the dogs and set them loose to roam about near German bases.

The idea didn't really work very well, as much because the dogs were likely to go under ANY large vehicle, including Russian, although it scared the crap out of the Germans (Hans, these Russians are crazy with their dog-bombs!).

The Americans also had similar projects, such as the Incendiary Bat Bomb. The idea was to strap incendiary devices to bats with an altitude fuse and release them from heavy bombers over the wooden cities of Japan. When the bats got down to ground level, they would burst into flames and crash down on the rooves of the Japanese cities.

They got into the testing phase, when a swarm of bats ignited over the supervising General's car, after which, the project was cancelled.

I think my favorate quote from this enterprise was (loosely quoted) "In the bat bomb, we've got a weapon here that could really win the war, and they've got these guys over in the desert jerking off with atoms!"

Cheers,
David

Edit: Just to be completely correct, I think the bats also burned down some hangers on the base on which they were being tested... meaning the Incendiary Bat Bomb itself worked well, but was cancelled because of problems with the "fire control". :rotfl: :-j

TLAM Strike

06-01-06, 01:31 PM

The Americans also had similar projects, such as the Incendiary Bat Bomb. So Batman really did fight in WWII??? :o :lol:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/510/141400000153ih.jpg

"Don't worry Robin I'll use my Incendiary Bat Bomb on the Joker! Now go back to the Batcave and wait for me in the bed."

LuftWolf

06-01-06, 01:43 PM

Wow, things certainly are different now.

DivingWind

06-01-06, 01:57 PM

...or maybe WW1?

TLAM Strike

06-01-06, 02:00 PM

Wow, things certainly are different now.
A lot diffrent:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/9940/97400000586ik.jpg

Deadeye313

06-01-06, 02:05 PM

I wonder why noone ever thought of a HARM/TASM hybrid. It could be a weapon that would keep the enemy blind without even having to be shot.

Bellman

06-01-06, 03:01 PM

Karushios question deserved serious consideration.

The answer to 'why not ?' is quite simply in the process of ejection Special Forces would be transformed into Special Faeces. My many years in the 'Bilges' have allowed me to study at first hand the effects of sudden stress upon Naval personnel and the impact that has upon bodily functions.

SQ, who has access to a very good research library, will recall the work of Professor L.A. Xative of Brunell whose paper on indications from the relevance of the consistency and pile height of excrement. Early results tend to show that there is a correlation between levels of stress and height levels of tu**ds.

Perhaps we should consider keeping the Special Forces on board well fed (mainly meat) and calm. Their steely products could then be ejected to deadly effect from the tubes. Its clear there would be little errosion in passage to target and the sound of impact would have a corrosive effect on the opposing crews morale.
Splodge !! Splodge !! Splodge !! Quite devastating ! :know:

Kurushio

06-01-06, 03:34 PM

Effing brilliant Bellman! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Nippelspanner

06-01-06, 03:52 PM

Im absolutely wrong in this forum (SHIII) buuut i will answer this anyway ;)

The german Kampfschwimmer (Combatdivers) are exiting subs through the torpedo hatches. they will enter the "room" with all 4 man, always 2 man liying head to head (if a scuba gear is not working). then it will be flooded and simply opened... they leave and violá! no one knows that they are there... :up:

i saw this in a TV documentary years ago, very impressive... i would die in this tight, wet, cold and dark hatch, whats going to be flooded... spooky...

Bellman

06-01-06, 04:24 PM

I lurve that name Nipplespanner - it just gets me tittering :roll:;)

Nippelspanner

06-01-06, 04:29 PM

I lurve that name Nipplespanner - it just gets me tittering :roll:;)

youre not the first one mate - but this name is harmless, really... nothing else then a tool for bicycles ;) (in the SH3 forum one guy is always reading "Nipplespanker"):rotfl:

Captain Norman

06-01-06, 05:27 PM

Well, although it probably isnt real, if anyone here has ever played Metal Gear Solid, what about that thing that Snake was fired from in the submarine. Does that actually exist?

LuftWolf

06-01-06, 06:56 PM

@TLAM
I think, all in all, there are a lot more wackos now, although somehow that averages out to a more "enlightened" society with arguably less self-control.

Nexus7

06-02-06, 07:10 AM

For example, USSR scientits thought on launch millions of dark papers (well, no paper, but similar) on the North Pole to cover the surface. That would make the ice to retain more hot, and it will begin to melt. If the North Pole melts, the sea level will increase... and USA has more coast, more important cities (almost all important city), and more population on that cities than the USSR...

So, your ideas are more than serious :up:

The fool thing is that those ideas could even work :lol:

Talking about exotic ideas, I don't remember having ever read about the use of biological or chemical weapons in relation to naval warfare. I.e. Killing the whole crew of a Task Force leaving the platforms intact could be of interest to someone i guess?

Kurushio

06-02-06, 07:16 AM

The fool thing is that those ideas could even work :lol:

Talking about exotic ideas, I don't remember having ever read about the use of biological or chemical weapons in relation to naval warfare. I.e. Killing the whole crew of a Task Force leaving the platforms intact could be of interest to someone i guess?

Not meaning to cause offence, but I think it's because the important bits at sea are the platforms rather than the men. Sailors can't dig in and claim a piece of sea, you see. Whereas if you want a piece of land, you need to physically remove the soldiers from that piece of land.

Nexus7

06-02-06, 12:56 PM

Of course Kurushio, but in addiction to eliminate the offence with a single "hit", they could take possess of the units and for example copy the technology.
I think it's easier to "hit" a platform with a cloud of bacteria then with a missile basically... how would you defend yourself?

TLAM Strike

06-02-06, 01:27 PM

...how would you defend yourself? You close the hatch. :roll:

Serrously, in the old Soviet navy they had sailors trained to go out in suits and scrub down the ship after an NBC attack.

Nexus7

06-02-06, 01:59 PM

You close the hatch. :roll:

Ok but firs you have to realize what is happening and that it's coming :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
I'm gonna search the web about that :smug:

Deadeye313

06-02-06, 02:53 PM

I think they close the hatches anyway during battles to help with flood control if the ship is hit.

TLAM Strike

06-02-06, 03:28 PM

Ok but firs you have to realize what is happening and that it's coming :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
I'm gonna search the web about that :smug: Well I know certen army vehicles have sensors than warn of NBC attack and dangers so I assume the much more expensive warships have them too. I think in 'Nimitz Class' the ships and a sensor that told them of the radation danager and automaticly shut down ventalation and sealed the ship from the outside air.

Nexus7

06-02-06, 04:14 PM

Well I know certen army vehicles have sensors than warn of NBC attack and dangers so I assume the much more expensive warships have them too. I think in 'Nimitz Class' the ships and a sensor that told them of the radation danager and automaticly shut down ventalation and sealed the ship from the outside air.

The sensors would be aboard the ship I suppose, the alarm would come when the stuff is already in your blood I'd assume

I would like to see more "weird" ideas in here :lol: , like the one of the black papers on the north pole...
Myself I add another one: why don't deoploy a subnet behind the sub to catch an incoming torpedo? the net would open using explosives and the torpedo would get trapped in it and slowed down, with a bit of luck the net would block the torpedoe's helix eliminating the treath :hmm: of course the torpedo must be right behind you... it's cheap also :lol:

goldorak

06-02-06, 04:32 PM

And what happens if the torpedo doesn't come in from your six ? :-?
You're pretty screwed.

Nexus7

06-02-06, 04:46 PM

And what happens if the torpedo doesn't come in from your six ? :-?
You're pretty screwed.

You maneuver in order to have it at your six

TLAM Strike

06-02-06, 04:50 PM

The sensors would be aboard the ship I suppose, the alarm would come when the stuff is already in your blood I'd assume But it will save the guys below decks, and in wartime most people will be below decks on a modern ship.

I would like to see more "weird" ideas in here :lol: , like the one of the black papers on the north pole...
Myself I add another one: why don't deoploy a subnet behind the sub to catch an incoming torpedo? the net would open using explosives and the torpedo would get trapped in it and slowed down, with a bit of luck the net would block the torpedoe's helix eliminating the treath :hmm: of course the torpedo must be right behind you... it's cheap also :lol:Its been done, battleships around the turn of the century had nets they can deploy along side to catch torpedoes. This idea was also used to guard ships in port as late as WWII. Also sounds alot like the W-Gun devloped by the Barb's XO in WWII.

Kurushio

06-02-06, 05:02 PM

Nexus...you want weird? Ok...I've thought about this long and hard...at night, staring at the ceiling (when I couldn't sleep...not when humping my girl by the way). :yep: Anyway, could be weird for some. I think it's a good idea. And cheap. Did I mention cheap?

I think they should build fleets of polystyrene ships, to exact dimensions which are then towed by obselete SSBN (or other rusty subs). Could be rubber ships. Painted.

What do you think? :smug:

Nexus7

06-02-06, 05:02 PM

I might be dead wrong, but sometimes I have the impression that the amount of classified (virtually unknown) devices and capabilities is much more complex than what I get to assume playing DW, like if we get to deal with stuff that was modern 20 years ago :roll: :oops:

TLAM Strike

06-02-06, 06:28 PM

Kurushio

06-02-06, 08:16 PM

Oh like the inflatable tank decoys Ivan devloped? :know:
Yep, I admit I got the idea from that...and also the British did it in WW2 to good effect. But has it ever been thought of at sea?

But let's just admit that it's hard this day and age having an original idea...how about a ship made of biological material which "heals" itself if damaged? :rock:That's not my idea, by the way...I read it in a newspaper.

TLAM Strike

06-02-06, 08:32 PM

Yep, I admit I got the idea from that...and also the British did it in WW2 to good effect. But has it ever been thought of at sea? In sprit yes. The U-Boats had a decoy they could release that reflected radar signals giving a false target. Making the shape of a ship is of little value in the days of beyond visual range detection.

But let's just admit that it's hard this day and age having an original idea...how about a ship made of biological material which "heals" itself if damaged? :rock:That's not my idea, by the way...I read it in a newspaper. Didn't the seaQuest DSV have a hull like that?

Nexus7

06-02-06, 11:29 PM

What about torpedoes with nuclear propulsion? And at least have it sending the pinging frequency back to the boat might help. You could know if your torpedo aquired the sub or the decoy...

TLAM Strike

06-02-06, 11:39 PM

What about torpedoes with nuclear propulsion? And at least have it sending the pinging frequency back to the boat might help. You could know if your torpedo aquired the sub or the decoy... The torpedo would be huge to accomdate the radation shelding to protect the crew (weapon needs to be stored after all). Go look up 'Project Pluto' (...if you no longer wish to sleep at night).

The operators of wireguided fish have systems to tell if they have locked a decoy or the target so does the torpedoes AI.

EDIT: I'm such a killjoy aren't I? :lol:

Kurushio

06-03-06, 05:47 AM

How about this? A sub with active sound emiters which emits sounds of whales humping. The enemy would hear the sound and think it's a group of whales having an orgy. :|\\

Nexus7

06-03-06, 06:37 AM

How about this? A sub with active sound emiters which emits sounds of whales humping. The enemy would hear the sound and think it's a group of whales having an orgy. :|\\

You still would see the sub own frequencies too. Rather many UUV-Like fishes that emit all ownship frequencies and run at 10-15 knots on different directions?

Bellman

06-03-06, 07:59 AM

Kurushio: active sound emiters which emits sounds of whales humping.
I like this mans mind ! Great lateral thinking !:rotfl:

His originality would have served well in the 'Bilges' thread ! :lol:

TLAM Strike

06-03-06, 10:08 AM

How about this? A sub with active sound emiters which emits sounds of whales humping. The enemy would hear the sound and think it's a group of whales having an orgy. :|\\ Ever see Down Periscope or read Patrick Robinson's 'Kilo Class'? :know:

Kurushio

06-03-06, 10:15 AM

Ever see Down Periscope or read Patrick Robinson's 'Kilo Class'? :know:

No on both accounts. The only Patrick Robinson book I've read is the one where they nuke the Nimitz (called 'Nimitz Class' maybe?). Though I have to check out 'Kilo Class'. I've sort of grown fond of the Kilo...

Kapitan_Phillips

06-03-06, 06:11 PM

In response to the original "man-out-of-torpedo-tube" theory, werent the Kursk's torpedo tubes designed for that, as an emergency escape measure, should the rescue bouy or hatches fail?

I'm guessing it was never tested, what with the entire front of the sub being blown up and all. Shouldnt they be spending more time making the sub in such a way that it cant get IN emergency situations in the first place? ;)

Captain Norman

06-03-06, 06:23 PM

Well, after doing a little research and consulting some people, it would be possible to fire a man out of a torpedo without injury, if not light injury (a few bumps and bruises). If I am right, torpedoes are launched by compressed air, so if a person is in a torpedo tube with scuba equipment, and the submarine is at an adeuqete depth for human survival, they could very much so survive being launched from a torpedo tube.

Bubblehead Nuke

06-04-06, 03:18 PM

Way back when, we were doing an at sea burial for a WWII torpedoman who was cremated, and we were dumping his ashes at sea. When dumping the ashes overboard from the sail someone (the OOD, the captain, COW, who knows) forgot to secure surface ventilating. Sucked his ashes right into the snorkel induction mast. But that is a different tale.

On that same trip out the engineer told me that he was happy that the torpedoman in question did not ask to be ejected from a torpedo tube. As he put it the LAST boat that tried to eject a wrapped veteren body out of a tube spent most of a day shooting water slug after water slug attempting to clear out the debris that had become his body. It seems that while the torpedo ejections system is made to move a specifc mass out of the tube with a specific velocity. It does not adjust for the the mass of the item IN the tube. Thus the LARGE acceleration foces imparted on the dead mans body caused it to fail rather messesly as they found out during the post tube firing inspection.

Can you FIRE a man out of a torpedo tube?? I would say no. The system is designed to move a multi-TON weapon, not a 200lb person. Can he SWIM out of a tube? Yes.

Bellman

06-04-06, 10:03 PM

Exactly my point.
Bellman:Special Forces would be transformed into Special Faeces.
Is this thread for real ........................or has the summer silly-season arrived ?:rotfl:

Nexus7

06-05-06, 02:41 AM

I don't remember if it was a movie or a documentary, but I'm sure I've seen on TV exactly what Bubblehead says. A man inserted into a torpedo tube, flooded the tube and the man "swims" out of the tube. I also remember this was very difficult for the scuba to achieve due to the size of the torpedo tube itself. All in all a risky maneuver...

OneShot

06-05-06, 04:44 AM

A very interesting account of the Lock out/Lock in process with divers from a torpedo tube can be found in one of Richard Marcinkos (former USN SEAL) books (one of the fiction ones tho - forgot the title). In short as mentioned above 4 can squeeze 4 divers in with the divers face to face in each pair. So far so uncomfortable (squeeze is meant literally as the legs of the guys overlapp each other and the outside guys have to tug in theirs as good as possible. Once everybody is in the real fun of equalization/pressurization begins and there we have a really fun part as this happens a lot faster then you would normally expect (after all, torpedos do not care). Talk about a fun ride.

This procedure is SOP for most Naval Special Ops Teams in the world (if not all).

Smaragdadler

06-06-06, 01:37 AM

http://www.unterwasserfotografie.de/bildarchiv/speziellethemen/08kampfschwimmer_uboot_typ_206a.jpg

Two Kampfschwimmer preparing themself for leaving through a topedo tube of a type 206a costal diesel-electric submarine of the German Navy.

LuftWolf

06-06-06, 05:00 AM

I can't say they look particularly happy... :arrgh!:

FERdeBOER

06-06-06, 05:34 AM

I don't envy them.

I'm a recreative diver and the first thing I thought seeing the photo is: what amount of things to get hooked!!! (is that the word? :roll:)

Maybe is because is my worst fear when diving: getting trapped with something.
And this two guys, with that gear plenty of things that could get stacked on that thin torpedo tube... :doh:

That's because is a job for few chosen :yep:

TLAM Strike

06-06-06, 12:12 PM

I can't say they look particularly happy... :arrgh!: Their German when do they look happy?? (Well other then when there is beer or when out on a conquest of Europe) :-j

Captain Norman

06-06-06, 04:44 PM

Their German when do they look happy?? (Well other then when there is beer or when out on a conquest of Europe) :-j
Lol good one. But hey, I dont think anyone would look happy being fired out of a torpedo tube.

Smaragdadler

06-07-06, 12:55 AM

Again. They don't get 'fired'. The tube will be flooded and the hatch opened. Then they go on their own.

http://cassiopaya.de/4images/data/media/6/ausstieg_aus_torpederohr.jpg

I also have seen this on TV. They even have shown footage from inside the tube when it was flooded. Kind of 'claustrophobia deluxe'. I think that is the reason the don't look very excited. It will never be done with just only one guy - only with at least two, so that they can help each other when a diving gear has a malfunction. All the time a member of the crew with a wrench is standing next to the tube. If there are problems occuring they communicate through 'knocking'...

LuftWolf

06-07-06, 04:31 AM

Well what could possibly go wrong in such a situation? :lol:

Kurushio

06-07-06, 09:24 AM

So do torpedo tubes double up as guest beds when you have visitors staying the night? They look quite cosy...

RedDevilCG

06-15-06, 11:04 AM

Back on the actual strange weapon ideas, I seam to recall a US program where they were training Dolphins to bump their noses up against ship hulls in reward for food and play. Then of course the sick bastards designed the huge bomb backpack they would wear with a nose bump detonator. I hate people sometimes, I mean Dolphins?? Common!

Smaragdadler

06-15-06, 12:18 PM

Sounds like these russian tank-mine dogs in WW2... This time it always works as intended? :) What if the dolphins convert to islam? :D

Nexus7

06-15-06, 04:33 PM

Puzzling comparison :nope:

Worth a pool? :arrgh!:

Smaragdadler

06-16-06, 12:31 AM

There is this tale that the soviets in ww2 trained dogs to run under tanks. Then they bound some mine on their back and send them for german tanks. But for dogs a tank is a tank, no matter if the marking is a 'swastika' or a 'red star'...
Dolphins are said to be much smarter...but how much smarter?
If I would be a dolphin in US Navy - i would openly convert to Islam. Shortest way out...

LuftWolf

06-16-06, 01:29 AM

If I would be a dolphin in US Navy - i would openly convert to Islam. Shortest way out...

Actually, all the Arab-language TV stations in the United States are saturated with ads recruiting arabs and Muslims for the FBI, CIA, and armed services.

Smaragdadler

06-16-06, 01:45 AM

... recruiting arabs and Muslims for the FBI, CIA, and armed services.

Shure, for translation work, because electronic ami-intel collects lots of stuff, but they cant 'read it [at] all'. :)

GhOsT55

06-19-06, 11:45 PM

just watch u-571 they do it

LuftWolf

06-20-06, 12:09 AM

Well, I think the ultimate answer to the question "what happens if you fire a man out of a torpedo tube" is a "a lot of pieces." :lol:

Knotical

06-20-06, 12:39 AM

Ok here is my idea for evil new naval weapon: Scenario is a sub has been detected and is being hunted by a helo with a active dunking sonar. The sub shoots torpedo toward the next expected dunk location, or maybe several of them. The torpedo "loiters" at low power when it reaches the area, then when the helo lowers the sonar head, torpedo accelerates and actively or passively homes in on sonar head and blows it up, and probably the helo above it as well. Sort of a naval version of the HARM or ALARM anti radar missles, an anti sonar torpedo. It could even be miniturized to make it cheap and hard to detect, and have a 'sub-munition' warhead that could detach and magneticaly stick to sonar head. "Sonar operator to pilot, something weird is going on here, reeling in sonar head now. Pilot looks out and sees something hanging off of sonar, what the ------KERBLAAAAM!!!:know:

FERdeBOER

06-20-06, 08:01 AM

Dolphins are said to be much smarter...but how much smarter?

As smart to try to deceive their trainers. I've red an article about dolphins trained to search scuba divers and alert them... when they do that, they take a fish... well some dolphins alerted for non-existing intruders just to take their food!

And that was not the only problems, as they are intelligent (in an animal way, don't try to compare with human), they also get bored or simply want to play so you can never be 100% sure about them.