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I know it is a bit early but I shall be raising a glass of Plymouth or three in October to the Royal Navy's victory over the Dutch in 1797.It was one of the few naval victories of the period that Nelson was not involved with as the RN was fielding its'B team
TLAM Strike
04-10-06, 05:12 PM
And I shall raise a glass in salute to the Dutch who put the RN in its place and sent them running at the Four Days Battle in June of 1666!
And to the French and "Colonials" who cut off the Redcoats from resupply at the Battle of the Chesapeake in 1781 and changed the world!
Michiel de Ruyter and Comte de Grasse where ever you are may you continue rock on! :rock:
I think any dutchman can win when he has 86 ships and the British just over fifty.We also won the battle of Lowestoft!![url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Days_Battle
As to the war of Independence the colonies needed the help of the french to win and where did it get the latter?An invitation to the scaffold less than ten years later as the french state was bankrupt financially and morally
TLAM Strike
04-10-06, 05:43 PM
I think any dutchman can win when he has 86 ships and the British just over fifty. You boys had 150 ships at Jutland and the Germans only 100 yet they mopped the floor with you when it came down to the actual fighting. :P
Lets not forget when the IJN jumped the Prince of Wales and Repulse. Or when they ran wild in the Indian Ocean sinking everything British including one of your carriers while its pilots were all busy having tea time or something. The Kido Butai comes for you and you run the Kido Butai comes for the US and we fight (and win!)
As to the war of Independence the colonies needed the help of the french to win and where did it get the latter?An invitation to the scaffold less than ten years later as the french state was bankrupt financially and morally The United States of America accepts no responsibility for the failures of the French Government. The point still stands; you were defeated by the French much to your eternal humiliation. :P
Khayman
04-11-06, 05:33 AM
You boys had 150 ships at Jutland and the Germans only 100 yet they mopped the floor with you when it came down to the actual fighting. :P
Ah, so The Germans didn't turn tail and run when they realised the Grand Fleet was not only at sea but also engaging them. I guess if they mopped the floor then the High Seas Fleet was now safe to sortie whenever they wanted after Jutland :D
I'd take issue with the French being a major factor in the loss of the American colonies. From what I've read they hardly did a thing. They were asked by US Commanders to help, but they frequently either refused and sailed home or to the Caribbean. Getting them to do something helpfull was like pulling teeth.
Abraham
04-11-06, 05:33 AM
And I shall raise a glass in salute to the Dutch who put the RN in its place and sent them running at the Four Days Battle in June of 1666!
And to the French and "Colonials" who cut off the Redcoats from resupply at the Battle of the Chesapeake in 1781 and changed the world!
Michiel de Ruyter and Comte de Grasse where ever you are may you continue rock on! :rock:
For your relentless efforts to promote the international statute of Holland and its maritime capabillity, you should be recommended as Honorary Dutch Naval Person!
:()1:
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 08:53 AM
You boys had 150 ships at Jutland and the Germans only 100 yet they mopped the floor with you when it came down to the actual fighting. :P
Ah, so The Germans didn't turn tail and run when they realised the Grand Fleet was not only at sea but also engaging them. I guess if they mopped the floor then the High Seas Fleet was now safe to sortie whenever they wanted after Jutland :D They won the day (and proved the British don't know how to use Battlecruisers- a lesson they never learned) not my fault they didn’t act on it.
I'd take issue with the French being a major factor in the loss of the American colonies. From what I've read they hardly did a thing. They were asked by US Commanders to help, but they frequently either refused and sailed home or to the Caribbean. Getting them to do something helpful was like pulling teeth. Did you know they gave us Colonials basics like Bayonets when we had none? Although only a few fought on American soil (La Fayette, Rochambeau and his troops) they did provide some critical aid at the most important time. French and Spanish (and Dutch) forced the British to fight a lot of other wars at the same time taking the heat off us. The Spanish besieged Gibraltar for three years but were defeated. The Dutch took a beating for trading openly with the Colonials. The sacrifice of this people were very important to us Americans gaining freedom even if some don’t see it.
The United Republic (The Netherlands old name) was also the first country to salute the American Flag. :up: (I think that at one point a few decades before they refused to salute a ship flying the British Flag, then the British declared war on them! :o )
Abraham
04-11-06, 10:17 AM
... The United Republic (The Netherlands old name) was also the first country to salute the American Flag. :up: (I think that at one point a few decades before they refused to salute a ship flying the British Flag, then the British declared war on them! :o )
Actually the name was Republiek der Zeeven Vereenigde Neederlanden, which is, litterally translated, Republic of the Seven United Netherlands.
The incident you are referring to was in the first half of the XVIth Century. Britain, being an island, considered the surrounding seas as her possesion and demanded that any ship - but it was aimed at Dutch ships - therefor should salute the British flag.
Our Republic had as her policy the "Free Seas" and asked Hugo Grotius the find a legal basis for that in Natural Law - which he consequently did. Dutch ships were ordered not to salute British ships at sea. British ships were ordered to shoot at any ship that did not properly accept British souvereignity of the seas.
The result was - as could be expected - a war with Britain, the first one (I think) of four.
Final score: 2-2.
:D
By the way, the name of this thread should have been: Battle of Kamperduin (or Camperdune).
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 10:33 AM
... The United Republic (The Netherlands old name) was also the first country to salute the American Flag. :up: (I think that at one point a few decades before they refused to salute a ship flying the British Flag, then the British declared war on them! :o )
Actually the name was Republiek der Zeeven Vereenigde Neederlanden, which is, litterally translated, Republic of the Seven United Netherlands. Oh... well that’s easier to write than 'United Republic'! Maybe you should change the name from The Netherlands to 'The Dutch United Republic of the Netherlands that included Holland and some other places' just to cover all your bases. The DURNTIHSOP (Darn This, Oops) for short. :P :lol:
By the way, the name of this thread should have been: Battle of Kamperduin (or Camperdune). That’s why you got the Modding Cap. Dutch-a-fy it! ;)
Abraham
04-11-06, 10:42 AM
... The United Republic (The Netherlands old name) was also the first country to salute the American Flag. :up: (I think that at one point a few decades before they refused to salute a ship flying the British Flag, then the British declared war on them! :o )
Actually the name was Republiek der Zeeven Vereenigde Neederlanden, which is, litterally translated, Republic of the Seven United Netherlands. Oh... well that’s easier to write than 'United Republic'! Maybe you should change the name from The Netherlands to 'The Dutch United Republic of the Netherlands that included Holland and some other places' just to cover all your bases. The DURNTIHSOP (Darn This, Oops) for short. :P :lol:
Actually we abbreviated it: De Zeeven Provinciën (The Seven Provinces), everybody in the world knew what that ment. It was also by the way the name of Adm. De Ruyters flagship during the Third British War.
By the way, the name of this thread should have been: Battle of Kamperduin (or Camperdune). That’s why you got the Modding Cap. Dutch-a-fy it! ;)
I certainly considered it and even contacted Neal about it, but since the British language is not a forum member herself it is not in breach of forum regulations.
And you know how much I adhere to them...
:D
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 11:41 AM
Actually we abbreviated it: De Zeeven Provinciën (The Seven Provinces), everybody in the world knew what that ment. It was also by the way the name of Adm. De Ruyters flagship during the Third British War. Hmmm I was just reading a little about him and saw he was given the rank of 'Lieutenant-Admiral-General' no long before his death. Again just like with their country's name(s) the Dutch do their best to confuse us... :lol: :-j
...but since the British language is not a forum member... Forum member heck, since when is there a British language at all! :hmm: :rotfl:
I wonder if English and British is as confusing to the Dutch as Holland and The Netherlands is to us… :hmm: :doh: :D :lol:
Tlam you seem to have a deep seated dislike of the British and I was just wondering why?I have never heard anybody say "I speak British".We speak english over here ,plus welsh,gaelic, cornish and in some schools over 42 other languages!Your responses are those of a dumb bomb not a precision weapon that your name suggests.Our attitude to our colonial cousins is to divide them into two groups-New Yorkers and the rest.
I have called this thread the anglicised name as the winner usually gets to choose. :up:
Abraham
04-11-06, 12:47 PM
I'll raise a whole bottle (or two) for De Ruyter's Tocht naar Chatham (Raid on Chatham).
This was an amphibious raid on the docks of the RN'sl base along the river Thames and the first time that Marines (trained Naval soldiers) were used. This makes the Dutch Korps Mariniers the oldest marine force in the world.
Warfs and shipyards were burned, the British Flagship (Royal James I think it was) was taken as a prise and London was in panick.
This was the only serious assault of foreign troops into Britain since William the Conqueror.
Cheers :()1:
And sorry for using the phrase: British language. I was thaught English at school. But well, I'm just a bloody foreigner...
:D
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 12:58 PM
Tlam you seem to have a deep seated dislike of the British and I was just wondering why? I got nothing against the British I just don't like the undefeated better than everyone else attitude when it comes to the Royal Navy. And for the record I'm part English.
Your responses are those of a dumb bomb not a precision weapon that your name suggests. Your forgetting the TLAM-N. ;)
Spell checker in operation :taught-to teach.
The raid up the Thames was audacious,but so was capturing the silver fleet of the Spanish in Cuba.However listing all the Royal Navy's triumphs would make spam look like a mere canape!
Abraham
04-11-06, 01:16 PM
@ Cornwallis:
You caught me there. But well, I donated my own spell checker to Kapitan some weeks ago...
And, by the way, I have deep admiration for the RN, just like many people in our navy. And I know the RN has admiration for ours too.
It's just that we think we are a bit better...
:D
People... people
No need to bicker...
Cant we all just get along!?
I know! lets all sing a song together... everyone knows..
Drunk last night, drunk the night before..
Gunna get drunk tonight like I never got drunk before..
For when I am drunk I'm as happy as can be..
Cause I am a member of the Souse family...
c'mon Abraham.. Drebbel... you know the words... :D
Abraham
04-11-06, 04:17 PM
People... people
No need to bicker...
Cant we all just get along!?
I know! lets all sing a song together... everyone knows..
Drunk last night, drunk the night before..
Gunna get drunk tonight like I never got drunk before..
For when I am drunk I'm as happy as can be..
Cause I am a member of the Souse family...
c'mon Abraham.. Drebbel... you know the words... :D
I can't resist such an invitation.
Here I go:
Drunk last night, drunk the night before..
Gunna get drunk tonight like I never got drunk before..
For when I am drunk I'm as happy as can be..
Cause I am a moderator of the Subsim family...
Now I check out to live up to the words of the song...
Cause if you don't keep your word you're utterly wrong...
I did it yesterday, I did it the night before...
I'll do it tonight and then once more...
:D
THe last two posts are spam as thet deviate completely from the topic!It was a scotsman who won at Camperdown and the prizes were assimilated into the Royal Navy.
Takeda Shingen
04-11-06, 04:24 PM
Cause I am a moderator of the Subsim family...
Really? I didn't know that you were a moderator.
Sarcasm can be the lowest form of wit or somebody does not look at the names at the top of the topic page!Tak's post is also spam!
The battle of Camperdown took place shortly after the mutiny of the navy at the Nore.
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 04:31 PM
Cause I am a moderator of the Subsim family...
Really? I didn't know that you were a moderator. I know shocking isn't it. :D
Tlam's post is spam.That's at least five fritters I have seen already
.Duncan came from the Dundee area of Scotland.
The aftermath of the battle is discussed herehttp://www.wargamer.com/aos/camper-am.asp
Abraham
04-11-06, 04:37 PM
Cause I am a moderator of the Subsim family...
Really? I didn't know that you were a moderator. I know shocking isn't it. :D
Well, in Holland they say that being a drunk makes you an honest guy.
I've been trying hard to hide it for as long as I could, but I felt that by now, I might as well come out of the closet and give you the shocking news.
:D
Gentlemen you are spamming my topic!Where is John Channing when we need him?
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 04:54 PM
Gentlemen you are spamming my topic!
It is no longer your thread it has been annexed by the Empire of TLAM. :|\
All hail TLAM and his glorious new regime! :rock:
Oh dear the colonials are revolting again and rebelling.Duncan retired from the sea after the battle.
Takeda Shingen
04-11-06, 05:27 PM
Gentlemen you are spamming my topic!
It is no longer your thread it has been annexed by the Empire of TLAM. :|\
All hail TLAM and his glorious new regime! :rock:
From Simpsons episode 9F22:
Marge: Lisa, you got a letter.
Lisa: It's from my pen-pal Anya! [reads]
Anya: [voice over] Dear Lisa, as I write this, I am very sad. Our
president has been overthrown and
[voice changes to that of a man]
replaced by the benevolent general Krull. All hail Krull and his
glorious new regime! Sincerely, Little Girl.
Tak are you saying that TLAM is really a Simpson's two dimensional cartoon character?The flagship of the dutch admiral was taken in the battle.
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 05:35 PM
Gentlemen you are spamming my topic!
It is no longer your thread it has been annexed by the Empire of TLAM. :|\
All hail TLAM and his glorious new regime! :rock:
From Simpsons episode 9F22:
Marge: Lisa, you got a letter.
Lisa: It's from my pen-pal Anya! [reads]
Anya: [voice over] Dear Lisa, as I write this, I am very sad. Our
president has been overthrown and
[voice changes to that of a man]
replaced by the benevolent general Krull. All hail Krull and his
glorious new regime! Sincerely, Little Girl. Yea. I love that bit of diolog. :lol: :up:
Takeda Shingen
04-11-06, 05:36 PM
Tak are you saying that TLAM is really a Simpson's two dimensional cartoon character?The flagship of the dutch admiral was taken in the battle.
Are you saying that he is not a flat animation cell?
And just where was the Dutch Admiral's ship taken to? Pizza Hut?
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 06:48 PM
Tak are you saying that TLAM is really a Simpson's two dimensional cartoon character? I am.
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8319/bender3ij.gif
And you can bite my shiny metal ass! :P
Takeda Shingen
04-11-06, 08:01 PM
Tak are you saying that TLAM is really a Simpson's two dimensional cartoon character? I am.
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8319/bender3ij.gif
And you can bite my shiny metal ass! :P
I miss Bender. I cannot believe that Fox foolishly cancelled Futurama and replaced it with the hopelessly bland and derivative Family Guy. All bathroom humor, no wit.
TLAM Strike
04-11-06, 08:46 PM
I miss Bender. I cannot believe that Fox foolishly cancelled Futurama and replaced it with the hopelessly bland and derivative Family Guy. All bathroom humor, no wit. Yea. :( Those FuX Executives have a lot to answer for. I hope they all burn in the robot hell in New Jersey.
It is no longer your thread it has been annexed by the Empire of TLAM. :|\
All hail TLAM and his glorious new regime! :rock:
resistance is futile!
Tak are you saying that TLAM is really a Simpson's two dimensional cartoon character? I am.
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8319/bender3ij.gif
And you can bite my shiny metal ass! :P
I miss Bender. I cannot believe that Fox foolishly cancelled Futurama and replaced it with the hopelessly bland and derivative Family Guy. All bathroom humor, no wit.
Bring back Futurama :up: :up:
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6422/145benderwallpaper10246wa.jpg
TLAM Strike
04-12-06, 10:22 AM
Bring back Futurama :up: :up:
Yes, the Hypnotoad demands it!
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2038/hypnotoadanimated4ho.gif
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4575/benderdanceanimate5bx.gif Do the Bender
Abraham
04-12-06, 03:38 PM
Are we off topic or what?
:rotfl:
We are now seriously off the bate the dutch thread-so please do some editing.One of the other moderators is John Channing.I have not seen him on this forum for a while.Tak asked about the Dutch prizes being "taken".This is the language that was used during the time of the sailing navy.May I suggest he looks on Amazon for anything by Captain Marryat.He was a naval officer during the Napoleonic Wars and he was also a friend of Dickens.He wrote some great novels about his own experiences,mixing fact with some comic moments. :up:
By the way, bender is english slang for homosexual
By the way, bender is english slang for homosexual
Wrong not English slang just checked it.
Kapitan
04-12-06, 03:58 PM
Bent, Stoke on trent, noofter , whoofter, ladyboy all terms for gay in slang.
Abraham
04-12-06, 04:04 PM
Is anybody seriously wanting moderation on this subject...?
:rotfl:
OK Futurama fans let’s move away from this topic and open a new one. As for a slang one well I shall live that one with those who want to open up that one on a new thread. There done back on course. We hope?
Takeda Shingen
04-12-06, 05:16 PM
We are now seriously off the bate the dutch thread-so please do some editing.One of the other moderators is John Channing.I have not seen him on this forum for a while.Tak asked about the Dutch prizes being "taken".This is the language that was used during the time of the sailing navy.May I suggest he looks on Amazon for anything by Captain Marryat.He was a naval officer during the Napoleonic Wars and he was also a friend of Dickens.He wrote some great novels about his own experiences,mixing fact with some comic moments. :up:
By the way, bender is english slang for homosexual
And when the Amazon box arrives with the text 'This End Up' printed on it, what does that mean?
And when the Amazon box arrives with the text 'This End Up' printed on it, what does that mean?
That would be "Dit einde op" Tak... :D
Abraham
04-12-06, 10:48 PM
"Dit einde op" is the litteral translation. "Deze zijde boven" (litterally "This side above") would be better Dutch.
:D
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