Enemy submarines

[Slemtiger]

Any enemy submarines out there? Havent seen any on about 20 patroles so they can't be common.

[STEED]

No :arrgh!:

[Slemtiger]

Maybe in sh4 then :) *hint, hint*

[STEED]

Can not see it shame.

[Slemtiger]

What about friendly submarines? Is it possible to see those pop when attacking convoys maybe, or in a random patrole?

[Torplexed]

No. No wolfpacks sad to say. One of this sims major oversights. :(

[Slemtiger]

LOL, so we command the only submarine in wwii :p

Little ironic, the game was made because the submarines played such a huge role in the war, and in the game itself they did not include other submarines then your own :damn:

[Torplexed]

Yup. Very ironic. Silent Hunter 2 made the same mistake as well. There may be some mods that include friendly submarines in harbour traffic. But that's probably it.

[Einsamer Wolf]

Someone suggested wolfpacks may be included in an expansion pack. Did anything ever come of this?

EW

[Slemtiger]

So how is multiplayer? Do every player get one submarine each and play together?

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[JU_88]

I belive the new X1 :stare: mediterranien expansion has a British T-class sub moddelled but, it wont shoot torpeedos or submerge :cry: as there is no Ai in the game to allow for this.

Bah! T class subs werent even used very much in the med, they were too big! they served more effectivly in the pacific against the japanese.

they Should have moddled a U or V class sub. Even the S-class would have been cool.

I gotta agree though, the lack of AI subs on both sides, is a glaring oversight for SH3! I hate being the only submarine in ther ocean, it only make things less interesting, some people think sub to sub encounters were rare in WW2, and just pretend its more realistic not to have other submarines about :roll: personally I think these people are well..... pretty stupid..... no offence :oops:

(The dev team used a similar excuse as to why no AI subs made it in to SH3, when in fact, they probably just didnt have time to code effective sub AI)

The fact is, sub to sub encounters were not THAT rare at all in ww2, look at my sig, that just Uboat casualties from british submarines alone! imagine how many more sub on sub sinkings took place between other nations! then bear in mind that there must have been many more encounters that were not fatal for either vessel.
There was even one instance in WW2 of a sub torpedoing and sinking another while both were submerged! (the first and last time this has happened in the whole of naval history in fact)

Its not like a Uboat commander bumped in to an enermy submarine and said, "oh we better leave it guys, as we,re not supposed to sink other submarines... just floating things.... its the rules you see"

[Slemtiger]

"During WWII, 21 Uboats were sunk by Allied submarines, 13 of those by the British alone."

Yeah, it would have been a very nice fight. Sub vs sub. Catfight. :o

[Sailor Steve]

"During WWII, 21 Uboats were sunk by Allied submarines, 13 of those by the British alone."

Yeah, it would have been a very nice fight. Sub vs sub. Catfight. :o
The only problem being that, like air combat, most of the kills were made on victims who never saw their attackers.

"Okay, I'm sailing out of Brest when I suddenly die. The screen says 'Killed by British Submarine'".

Boy, that sounds fun.

[AntEater]

I just bought a book "Duel of Submarines" (U-Boote im Duell) which covers that topic for WW1 and WW2.
Many times the victim saw the torpedo wakes, there were a lot more unsuccessful attacks than kills.
Keep in mind the british didnt have electric torpedoes, so a good lookout could spot the torpedoes.

[Sailor Steve]

Good points, and don't get me wrong-I loved encountering enemy subs in SHI. I just don't want to get TOO real.

[AntEater]

Me too, and I'm pretty certain that this feature was originally planned (since every country has a "submarines" folder).
One could cry if you think what this sim might have been.... :damn:

[JU_88]

"During WWII, 21 Uboats were sunk by Allied submarines, 13 of those by the British alone."

Yeah, it would have been a very nice fight. Sub vs sub. Catfight. :o
The only problem being that, like air combat, most of the kills were made on victims who never saw their attackers.

"Okay, I'm sailing out of Brest when I suddenly die. The screen says 'Killed by British Submarine'".

Boy, that sounds fun.

Nah!

lets think about this in game terms.....

1) a British/Dutch/Soviet submarine isnt going to be some
kind of invisible entity sneaking around submerged every
where, much like your boat they will spend most of the
time running on the surface.

2)It wouldnt dive until it spotted a threat such as your
Uboat, to do this you would have to be within visual
range, meaning the chances are your watch crew
might see it before it sees you! 50/50

3) Lets say for example it slips beneathe the waves
with out your crew noticing, (If you submerged you
will hear it coming anyway- )and if you are surfaced
well- you still might have some chance, your watch
crew might yell out something like:
'PERISCOPE SPOTTED! BEARING XXX'
or
'TORPEDO WAKE ON STARBOARD BOW'!!!'

This would give you some warning, enogh time to
hit 'C' and kick you rudder hard/port startboad to
dodge any torpeedos.

4) Once its submerged, evading it shouldnt be difficult,
since you can outrun it on the surface with ease, you
would throw engines in to ahead flank, keep changing
course every miniute to minimise the risk of being hit.

5) Once you have Radar, Radar warning, and acuostic
fish, you will be laughing anyway....

6) Imagine having a deck gun duel with a british sub,
imagine tracking one under water and taking a
hydrophone shot at it. You tell me thats not gonna
be fun....

Perhaps type 34 DD's will finally have a use for its
depth charges!?

Now I know that time compression could mess this
up and cause insta - death, but this already exists
in the game with aircraft, mines and destroyers in
heavy fog!
So it doesnt really make any major difference, since
of all those things being sunk by a surprise attack
from another submarine would be one of the most
unlikley.

Also remeber that Aiiled submarines never really ventured
out in to the Atlantic since there was no real need for them
to be there!
You would be more likley encounter them in coastal
areas, the North sea, Baltic sea and mediteranean,
where they savaged German shipping something
horrible!

The Germany-Norwiegen Convoys in the North sea,
and Supply/troopships in the med serving Rommels
Africa korps were hit hard by british Submaines.


If Silent hunter is to become a proper fully dynamic
naval simulator, it needs sub AI, with sub AI you will
open up the possibilites to have the following:

Enermy submarines
Wolfpacks
Milkcows
Destroyer command!

I think it goes with out saying that the above four
are the biggest and most noticable missing features
of SH3

:up:

[Noè]

SH2 have enemy submarines...i saw them a couple of time , one deck gunned.

[Khayman]

SH2 have enemy submarines...i saw them a couple of time , one deck gunned.

I saw them in SH2 as well. One of them was hanging about near the port I was departing. IIRC I was cruising on the surface and heard something like "Periscope spotted" and that it had fired torpedoes at me. I had to go to flank speed and dodge them. Then there was a submerged game of cat and mouse that ended with me just thinking "Sod this!" and leaving.

However that darned sub kept appearing in later patrols, and when I was returning from patrols - so I got fed up and blew it to smithereens.

I seem to also recall that other U-boats appeared on the map, and that you could sight them at sea from the conning tower.

Btw, http://www.uboat.net/fates/sub-sunk.htm says that 22 boats were lost to allied subs. What's one boat between friends though :D

[sergbuto]

What about friendly submarines? Is it possible to see those pop when attacking convoys maybe, or in a random patrole?

In the U-boat War Ace (Wolfpack) campaign you may see wolfpacks and single AI U-boats attacking Allied shipping. You can also put wolpacks to campaign yourself following advices/description by Col7777. You can also put in the campaign US S-class sub which is available as a free mod in both surfaced and submerged variants (I am not sure if it is used in U-boat War Ace (Wolfpack)) although it is not capable of attacking.

[STEED]

In SH2 you can take on enemy subs but as for friendly one’s I have only seen them on the map only strange.

[uhu]

There is an allied Uboat mod for submerged and not submerged version!

I don't know, from where I have downloaded, and only looked how it works in the game - it works, as the AI german Uboats.
It looks pretty nice.

[Wulfmann]

I have seen the British T class in the Seawolves med. Sank one with a fish. sank another with a deck gun. Very hard target to hit and dueled to a draw with another with a deck gun. Did not want to waste a fish.
They have AI U-Boats in port and there is a Russian L and an Italian sub but I have yet to see them. I waited until fired upon with the British subs because they are impossible to tell apart unless you are a few hundred yards away and the ones I ran into were around Sicily where they could have been the Italian.
Better than nothing but not what we would like in fish firing subs.
Wulfmann

[uhu]

I have seen the British T class in the Seawolves med. Sank one with a fish. sank another with a deck gun. Very hard target to hit and dueled to a draw with another with a deck gun. Did not want to waste a fish.
They have AI U-Boats in port and there is a Russian L and an Italian sub but I have yet to see them. I waited until fired upon with the British subs because they are impossible to tell apart unless you are a few hundred yards away and the ones I ran into were around Sicily where they could have been the Italian.
Better than nothing but not what we would like in fish firing subs.
Wulfmann

What I downloaded, was a free mod.
What type of weapons used that submarines, which you engaded?
These free mod sub has 'virtual torpedos', and maybe deck gun + AA (can't now remember).

[Sailor Steve]

Yes, SHII had enemy subs, but SHII had no career, just a bunch of scripted mission strung together and called a "Campaign". The mission writer could put in all the enemy subs he wanted.

Oh, SubSim's "Second Kampagne" had one mission with at least one friendly sub in it. I went over and said "hello".