"Match Bearings and Shoot"

[Holdit]

What exactly does this mean, and what is the DW equivalent command or action?

I've been reading Red Storm Rising (again) and this expression keeps popping up. I also remember it from the 688i HK intro movie (the best intro of the three editions IMO...).

Regards,

P

[John Channing]

It is an instruction, usually by the Captain, to take all of the information that has been generated by the Fire Control team (TMA, paper plot, time/frequency plot, etc) as to the whereabouts of the target, sent it to the weapon (torpedo), and then to fire the torpedo. Hopefully the weapon and the target will arrive at the same place at the same time.

It is usually preceed by the captain checking with each of the critical stations (Ship Control, Fire Control and Weapons Control) to make sure they are each happy with the situation. If so, it's "Match generated bearings and shoot"... shortly followed by a loud BOOM!

JCC

[Holdit]

It is an instruction, usually by the Captain, to take all of the information that has been generated by the Fire Control team (TMA, paper plot, time/frequency plot, etc) as to the whereabouts of the target, sent it to the weapon (torpedo), and then to fire the torpedo. Hopefully the weapon and the target will arrive at the same place at the same time.

It is usually preceed by the captain checking with each of the critical stations (Ship Control, Fire Control and Weapons Control) to make sure they are each happy with the situation. If so, it's "Match generated bearings and shoot"... shortly followed by a loud BOOM!

JCC

That would make it the equivalent of slaving the tube to the contact, wouldn't it? I normally do that first...ooops...

Thanks,

P

[Henson]

Submariners are big on rote, and doing things the same way every time. There are a lot of checklists, and a lot of verbatim procedures and communications, especially when we are doing something important to our survival.

When we prepare to shoot a weapon, there's a prepared script that each station follows, informing the Approach Officer (Captain) that the Ship, Solution, and Weapon are all ready before we shoot. Once that is settled, the captain has a few options when it comes to the shot, but it really comes down to this: He can obtain a final bearing on the contact and shoot ("Final Bearing and Shoot"), he can match current sonar bearings to the contact and shoot ("Match Bearings and Shoot"), or, if you are shooting an underwater contact that you have a good fire control solution on, he will shoot on the bearing of the generated system solution ("Shoot on Generated Bearing").

Hope this helps.

[Holdit]

Submariners are big on rote, and doing things the same way every time. There are a lot of checklists, and a lot of verbatim procedures and communications, especially when we are doing something important to our survival.

When we prepare to shoot a weapon, there's a prepared script that each station follows, informing the Approach Officer (Captain) that the Ship, Solution, and Weapon are all ready before we shoot. Once that is settled, the captain has a few options when it comes to the shot, but it really comes down to this: He can obtain a final bearing on the contact and shoot ("Final Bearing and Shoot"), he can match current sonar bearings to the contact and shoot ("Match Bearings and Shoot"), or, if you are shooting an underwater contact that you have a good fire control solution on, he will shoot on the bearing of the generated system solution ("Shoot on Generated Bearing").

Hope this helps.

Yes it does; many thanks.

P

[Nexus7]

Being part of an online virtual fleet I had the chance to train with real submarine officers sometimes. It was soon evident that they have fixed communication routines and that this way comms are granted to be quick, efficent and clean.

So I was asking my self, is a list of those communication routines available somewhere?

I would like to use them during some multiplatform game...

A link would be great :ping:


anyone ?

[Henson]

Being part of an online virtual fleet I had the chance to train with real submarine officers sometimes. It was soon evident that they have fixed communication routines and that this way comms are granted to be quick, efficent and clean.

So I was asking my self, is a list of those communication routines available somewhere?

I would like to use them during some multiplatform game...

A link would be great :ping:


anyone ?

They are all written in books that I cannot show you.

Most of the litany itself is unclassified, but the books most certainly are.

[Bellman]

:D Good to see you back Nexus7. :up: :rock:

[Nexus7]

Hi Bellman, thank you :)

[Neptunus Rex]

From the CO: "Match bearings and shoot" = "I don't give a (^^$%$*(*( what the computer says, do it this way NOW!"

[TopTorp '92]

Submariners are big on rote, and doing things the same way every time. There are a lot of checklists, and a lot of verbatim procedures and communications, especially when we are doing something important to our survival.

When we prepare to shoot a weapon, there's a prepared script that each station follows, informing the Approach Officer (Captain) that the Ship, Solution, and Weapon are all ready before we shoot. Once that is settled, the captain has a few options when it comes to the shot, but it really comes down to this: He can obtain a final bearing on the contact and shoot ("Final Bearing and Shoot"), he can match current sonar bearings to the contact and shoot ("Match Bearings and Shoot"), or, if you are shooting an underwater contact that you have a good fire control solution on, he will shoot on the bearing of the generated system solution ("Shoot on Generated Bearing").

Hope this helps.

Most excellent, sir.

[TopTorp '92]

Being part of an online virtual fleet I had the chance to train with real submarine officers sometimes. It was soon evident that they have fixed communication routines and that this way comms are granted to be quick, efficent and clean.

So I was asking my self, is a list of those communication routines available somewhere?

I would like to use them during some multiplatform game...

A link would be great :ping:


anyone ?

Don’t count on getting much of anything from the US Navy as virtually all forms of training on this subject are classified confidential at a minimum and can almost easily get into secret and top secret levels.

However, if you can find transcripts of public tours that feature battle stations scenarios, I think that would help. USS Pampanito (San Francisco) may have some material for a price. There may also be other submarine museums that offer some information to the public. The Library of Congress may have free material. You may even want to consult the services of the national archives.

Even works of fiction offer excellent accounts of the standardized communications associated with battle station scenarios. “Run Silent Run Deep” by Edward L. Beach is an excellent book as are his other books relating to the Cold War and World War II. Of course, Tom Clancy has extensive research on submarine operations and has published in several media. Several former submarine officers have published their own materials relating to the submarine experience and I suspect that if you can find

I think the material is out there for the public however, you will need to do some homework.

[Kapitan]

Try finding a book on submarine tactics some where in the last 30 years.

Tell ya theres none

[Nexus7]

Don’t count on getting much of anything from the US Navy as virtually all forms of training on this subject are classified confidential at a minimum and can almost easily get into secret and top secret levels.

However, if you can find transcripts of public tours that feature battle stations scenarios, I think that would help. USS Pampanito (San Francisco) may have some material for a price. There may also be other submarine museums that offer some information to the public. The Library of Congress may have free material. You may even want to consult the services of the national archives.

Even works of fiction offer excellent accounts of the standardized communications associated with battle station scenarios. “Run Silent Run Deep” by Edward L. Beach is an excellent book as are his other books relating to the Cold War and World War II. Of course, Tom Clancy has extensive research on submarine operations and has published in several media. Several former submarine officers have published their own materials relating to the submarine experience and I suspect that if you can find

I think the material is out there for the public however, you will need to do some homework.

Thanks TT. I will do some research myself then ;)

Since you adress the novels, I just ordered "SSN Seawolf" from an online bookstore.
Could you write down some titles please? This'd allow me to order 'em all at one time reducing deliver expences :)

[jason taylor]

Submariners are big on rote, and doing things the same way every time. There are a lot of checklists, and a lot of verbatim procedures and communications, especially when we are doing something important to our survival.

When we prepare to shoot a weapon, there's a prepared script that each station follows, informing the Approach Officer (Captain) that the Ship, Solution, and Weapon are all ready before we shoot. Once that is settled, the captain has a few options when it comes to the shot, but it really comes down to this: He can obtain a final bearing on the contact and shoot ("Final Bearing and Shoot"), he can match current sonar bearings to the contact and shoot ("Match Bearings and Shoot"), or, if you are shooting an underwater contact that you have a good fire control solution on, he will shoot on the bearing of the generated system solution ("Shoot on Generated Bearing").

Hope this helps.
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In The Good Shepherd by C.S. Forester a destroyer captain stops in the middle of a battle to rebuke a junior officer for not using exactly the proper wording-because confusion could be disastrous.

[Sub Sailor]

Tom Clancy's SSN is worth looking at. Story line a bit hokey but some good information.

Sub Sailor