How to remove Swatiska from IuB ?

[MirabelleBenou]

Hi There !

I had installed IuB and some other mods but I want to remove the swatiska from German boats.

Can someone tell me how I can do this and revert to SH3 vanilla setting for this ? :)

Thanks a lot.

[Marhkimov]

hmm... I wonder if there is such a mod... :hmm:

[MirabelleBenou]

Well, I don't think so but maybe I could do this modification by myself.

The only things is that I do not know what to change and how to change it :)

Sure that the modders of theses swatiska's mods know and could answer :)

[Marhkimov]

Here's the thing... Most everyone makes mods with swasticas, so there is no "one" swastica modder. Just about all of us use it.

If by getting rid of swasticas, you mean on the flags and on the deck of the Bismarck, then I can do it easily. I can swap the swasticas for iron crusader crosses if you want.
http://www.zwpatch.com/images/army%20scans/german_iron_cross.JPG
Or I can blank out the entire swastica. Your choice.


I'll do it for you... Just give me a few specifics. Exactly which swasticas would you like removed?

[Marhkimov]

But unless you live in Germany or Japan, why would you want to remove the crosses?

It's just a videogame...

[Camaero]

I hope you don't try to act like it never happened.... It is just history dude! Don't be afraid!

(I respect anyones choice not to use it though of course... I just don't personally understand why.)

As long as you don't look too closely, I think you will mainly just need to modify the flags. Otherwise there are a few more such as the Bismarck etc... :up:

[MirabelleBenou]

Well, yes I know.

I do not want to launch a debate on this but this is related to my familly history.

I live in France and my Grand-Father was forced to join the werhmacht and the brother of my Grand-Mother died on the russian front near Stalingrad.

In my familly, the swatiskas mean something and, even if i know that it's a game, I do not want members of my familly to remind some weird things when I'm playing SH3. These enrollments were only a little part of what happened to my familly during the war.

And more personnaly, I think that I do not need this point of realism in my home :)

Anyway, thanks a lot for your help.

If by getting rid of swasticas, you mean on the flags and on the deck of the Bismarck, then I can do it easily. I can swap the swasticas for iron crusader crosses if you want.

That's exactly what I mean and the iron crusader crosses will be good :)

Thanks !

[MirabelleBenou]

I hope you don't try to act like it never happened....

No problem about this ;)

It happened and I hope it will never again.


I respect anyones choice not to use it though of course...


thanks :)

[Marhkimov]

Don't worry about explaining yourself. I was just curious...


If someone hasn't made new flags for you by the time I wake up, I promise I'll make some custom flags for ya. :up:

[MirabelleBenou]

Thanks again :)

[Type941]

If you get my Bismarck from Denmark Strait battle skin, it won't have any swastikas on it. ;) They are covered by gray color, as in real life.

[SubSerpent]

It's so retarded how everything gets blamed on a piece of cloth! The nazi flag didn't kill people! People with guns and bombs killed people! The war has been over for over a half a century when will people ever except that? It's important to not forget about our past and grow from it. This game that we play here puts us in the shoes of a GERMAN U-boat Captain during WWII that is sent out on mission to sink and KILL ships and PEOPLE (granted that people are not modelled on the ships that you sink, but in your imagination they are there). Ships don't drive themselves ya know! But let us forget all that and blame our sinister acts on the nazi flag so that we may enjoy the game and pretend that we are not a Nazi German U-boat Captain, but instead the protector of Germany and the Allies started the war and the Americans had the gas chambers and were the ones killing off the Jews and that we as a peaceful and fun loving nation of Germany are the Jew protectors.

Of course you will have to edit the game to remove all occupied German bases from France and other various countries and only sail from German ports the entire game and never use the RUb mod. Of course you will have to exchange the nazi flag with the American one or one of the actual allied flags so that- that symbol of evil is on the ships that you sink and so that you may feel good about playing this game...


OR


You could just simply NOT play the game and pretend to ignore fact and history and get on with your gay ol day. Cause honestly I don't see a connection between the flag and the ruthless acts that the people who flew it committed. Europe needs to get the F over it already! Last year I visited Paris, France, and inside the Napolean Museum I noticed that there WERE Nazi flags on display in there.

It's not like you're hanging it up from your front door when you play this game. It a SIMULATION that allows you to play on the other side for once and to see and use (simulated) the technology that Germany used during the war. When you play COD 1 or 2 do you never play as the Germans or pick up their weapons to use in the SIMULATED battle? I doubt it!

Anyways, go on and ignore FACT, HISTORY, and what you will. The rest of us enjoy playing and learning about our history. Grow the F up and realize that this is NOT a Disney F---ing world!


This post is not directed at you, MirabelleBenou, but just my feelings in general. I don't disagree with you that it was an awful period of time and that Nazi German was about as evil a nation as there ever was, but I can't stand folks who want to Mickey Mouse something that shouldn't be.

[drEaPer]

Couldnt agree more. Just wanna add: There is no "black & white" in any war. Especially in WW2 every participating nation did evil, even the US by refusing to let the jews migrate and sending ships full of jewish refugees back to germany. There is never a "good" side in war. Its all about "necessary cruelty". Whether justified or not lies in the hand of politicians, not soldiers. They usually just do their job and believe in what the politicans say, which can turn out very dangerous, as seen in WW2 with the nazi propaganda and lies preparing the men's minds for battle. And it can happen again, anywhere.... where the truth is being opressed and faulty believes are divulging. Though wars are fight by men, they are started by political leaders.

[Type941]

I do not want to launch a debate on this but this is related to my familly history.

I think he's said enough on the matter already. There was a rather heated debate on the matter some time back, so if it's interesting, I suggest visiting that one. the guy just asked how to remove the swastikas, not necessary to justify it. He just as well might have asked how to put numbers on the bows of destroyers. :roll:

[CCIP]

Yea, guys, this is a modding forum, not the politics forum. You go to General Topics for that.

Modding is always a matter of choice. And I think we know what the choice is here.

It should be a matter of altering textures - which, in itself, is not a terribly complicated mod.

It might also be worth to ask someone who has the EMEA version of the game if they can send you some of their data files that have swastikas removed from them (flags etc.)

[Type941]

You mean only European version has had swassy removed? :doh:

[CCIP]

Yeah. The US version (which goes throughout the Americas) always had it to start with.

[Marhkimov]

Don't worry, I'll make the mod when I have time... sans politics...

If someone wants a flag without the cross thingy, then I'll make it for them...

[SubSerpent]

I didn't mean to argue politics in this forum but I would just hate to have enough people ask for these type of mods and deter future developers from creating games with sensative material. One guy actually said he would not buy SHIII if there was a single curse word said or written in the game! :nope:

I guess when he was fighting in the middle of Vietnam or whatever war he was the one out in the field of battle scaring the living crap out of the enemy with his tough tounge, "YOU JERKS, COME HERE SO I CAN SPANK YOUR BOTTOMS" :doh:

What a shame it would be if they (the ones who want all PG rating games) actually got their way and the rest of us were left playing games like NO THEFT AUTO(a peaceful version of the old hit, but this time around you got to EARN the money to buy a car and obey all the traffic rules). <------How Lame :roll:

[CCIP]

Well developing games without swastikas or extreme violence fpr that matter is not really an issue of touchiness by the developers - both would be illegal for sale in Germany, for instance. :hmm:

[Gizzmoe]

Well developing games without swastikas or extreme violence fpr that matter is not really an issue of touchiness by the developers - both would be illegal for sale in Germany, for instance. :hmm:

Only the swastika thing is illegal. Extreme violence (blood and dismemberments) isn´t much of a problem, it´s legal to buy and sell uncensored US and UK imports here in Germany. You are allowed to buy them when you are at least 18 years old. They usually cost 10-20% more than the censored German version.

[Type941]

IOne guy actually said he would not buy SHIII if there was a single curse word said or written in the game! :nope:


And why would anyone sane worry about a guy like that? :huh: :rotfl:

I feel only sorry for people like that.

[MirabelleBenou]

Don't worry, I'll make the mod when I have time... sans politics...

If someone wants a flag without the cross thingy, then I'll make it for them...

Thanks again :) (and it's sans politique, nice try :D )

SubSerpent > Like they said, it's not the good place for discuss about this. But I propose you to continue by mail if you want, maybe I could explain you my point of view (and really, I do not forget history or want a disney game).[/i]

[Marhkimov]

Thanks again :) (and it's sans politique, nice try :D )

Really? Because in the US, it would be correct to say "sans politics," which translates to "without politics." But in French, I guess you gotta say it the other way...

Anyways, a few versions of the German flags are almost done. :up:

[Marhkimov]

Btw, you don't mind germanic crosses, do you?

http://people.sinclair.edu/thomasmartin/knights/Iron%20Cross%202.jpg http://www.aircombat.nl/bouwplank/stikkers/german_cross.gif

[CB..]

i don't think it's possible to play games like SH2 AOTD SH3 etc etc without having some sort of morale dilema around this issue (and the history that goes with it) you'd have to be brain dead not to think about it--and in some small way it actually becomes part of the sim for me--as the u-boat commanders them selves were faced with this same morale dilema--we have the luxury of dealing with this is a game with no real consequences either way regardless of what we may think of feel about it- but in the same way it is there in the sim if you are open to the problem--

i don't mind wether that swastika is in the game or not--as this doesn't change the thoughts about the historical events- nor the historical events themselves--whever it is there or not it will never be "cool"

[Marhkimov]

Download my new German flags from this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=46476

[SubSerpent]

Whether justified or not lies in the hand of politicians, not soldiers. They usually just do their job and believe in what the politicans say, which can turn out very dangerous, as seen in WW2 with the nazi propaganda and lies preparing the men's minds for battle. And it can happen again, anywhere....


EXACTLY, recently we saw another glimpse of this as the BUSH War Machine brainwashed most of the US into believing that WMD were inside Iraq and that Sadaam was going to use them on the US if we didn't take him down <----All in the name of avenging his father BUSH senior who was one of the worst presidents ever and didn't even last for a second term (thank God). This is why I truely believe that a son should not be allowed to be a president if his father was one before. I think that at least one full century should have to pass by before any of the decendents could even be nominated.

Not that I ever favored Saddaam or his evil ways, but I think that-that battle should have been done and finished in the first gulf war and left alone after that. To use America's sons and daughters to fight a war for personal vengence is about as evil as it gets. May Bush rot in Hell right next to Hitler and Sadaam!!!

[Marhkimov]

I thought we just wanted flags with no swasticas? :hmm:

Well anyways, problem solved...

[MirabelleBenou]

Thanks again :) (and it's sans politique, nice try :D )

Really? Because in the US, it would be correct to say "sans politics," which translates to "without politics." But in French, I guess you gotta say it the other way...

Anyways, a few versions of the German flags are almost done. :up:

Well, I didn't know that in the US it's a correct expression :)

And yes, in french we translate "without politics" by "sans politique". And maybe we can translate it by "sans polémiques" :)

[MirabelleBenou]

And thanks for the flags ;)

[Reece]

This file "NBB_BismarkC.tga" contains the swastikas for Bismark & can be edited with a good Graphics editor to the original white dot or Maltese cross etc.

[Marhkimov]

The Bismarck doesn't have to be manually edited. Just download Type941's Kriegsmarine/Bismarck skins and install the one with the grey sheet covering. Then you'll have a nice clean Bismarck.

[LuisCamoes]

I love it the guy dosnt want swasticas but hell play as a Uboat commander sinken allied shipping lol to each their own :up:

[Ducimus]

I love it the guy dosnt want swasticas but hell play as a Uboat commander sinken allied shipping lol to each their own :up:

I think the point here was a mere game played for entertainment mixed with icons relevant to painful memories to ones family shouldnt be mixed together.

If i had a an elder family member in my house who might see me play said game, and who had the relevant experience to bring back painful memories, id remove the swastica's from my game too.

[CCIP]

...not to mention that, again, selling games with swastikas is illegal in Germany, period. :roll:

[Camaero]

I have a question in reguards to swastikas and Germany. Is it legal to show them in German made movies? Say a movie on WW2? I don't recall ever seeing a swastica in Das Boot and was wondering if maybe this was the reason why? I also saw Downfall but can't remember if there were any...

Just curious is all. :know:

[Gizzmoe]

I have a question in reguards to swastikas and Germany. Is it legal to show them in German made movies?

Yes. It could be seen several times in "Downfall". I don´t recall a scene in "Das Boot" where it was fully visible, only parts of it on the flag when they returned home.

Quote:

Article 86a of the German penal code states:

1. There is a charge of up to three years in prison or a financial fee for:

- publishing symbols of an organization hostile to the constitution, or using these symbols publicly in meetings or publications

- importing, exporting using, publishing, distributing or producing items with these symbols domestically or internationally.

2. symbols are flags, buttons, uniforms, slogans and forms of greetings. Included are variations that are extremely similar to the original ones.

3. Excepted are the use of these symbols for public education, prevention of hostile actions against the constitution, the use in art, science, schooling, news reports, historical reports and the like.

[Camaero]

Thank you sir for clearing that up! ;)

[MirabelleBenou]

We have the same law (or approching) in France.

Indeed, the point 3 is exactly the same.

LuisCamoes > For me game is for fun. This game is fun, I like it. It'll be the same game but with japanese or US or wathever other nation, I'll like it too.

But this symbol (the swatiskas), is not a part of fun for me.

Please, respect the opinion of other guys or they thoughts. Thanks.