What would happen if..................

[Kapitan]

China went to war with japan ok and il narrow it down to one area as well and only this area.

a chinease kilo improved is in the sea of japan the japanease know roughly where it is and send a oyashio submarine to hunt her down.

specs of the boat:

Kilo Improved

2,350 tons Surfaced
3,126-4,000 tons Full load submerged

11 knots Surfaced
20 knots Submerged

250 meters Operational
300 meters Maximum
17.5 meters Periscope

7,500 miles With snorkel (@ 7 knots)
400 miles Submerged (@ 3 knots)
45 days Sea Endurance

8 Strela-3 (SA-N-8 Gremlin) or
8 Igla (SA-N-10 Gimlet)

6/533 mm Torpedoe Tubes
18 VA-111 Torpedoes or
24 mines


oyashio class:

Standard Displacement 2,750ton

Boundary Dimension Length: 82m

Width: 8.9m
Depth: 10.3m
Draft: 7.4m

Boat Shape Double shell system (part single shell) leaf coil type

Main Engine Kawasaki 12V25/25S Diesel x2,

Main motor x1;
1 shaft propulsion
Horsepower 3,400ps (surfaced)
7,700ps (submerged)

Maximum Speed 12kt (surfaced)
20kt (submerged)

Crew 70

Primary Armament HU-603 underwater torpedo tubes x6
(dual use with Harpoon USM)
Surface Radar ZPS-6
Sonar Flank array sonar, TASS




WHO WILL WIN

[gdogghenrikson]

neither, they would end up just shadowing each other

edit- I guess the KILO would win

[kiwi_2005]

China would win.

[Oberon]

Much as I like the Japs and their movies, my money's on the Chinese.

[TLAM Strike]

PLAN torpedoes are crap. My vote is with the JMSDF. :yep:

[Terrax]

China hands down. History has shown what happens when Japan with her small islands and meager resources goes to war a big country with lots of resources.

[Kapitan]

once as i remember but china could end up having the back up of north korea and iran they too are powerful ok not as powerful as some.

india and russia would more than likely help the west although russia supplys china with millatery equipment i dont think russia would want to get involved in a quabble with america again

[kelawi]

China hands down. History has shown what happens when Japan with her small islands and meager resources goes to war a big country with lots of resources.


Japan is larger in land mass than Germany, though you are correct on the natural resources. But keep in mind that Japan had most of Indo-China under their thumb until they decided to bomb Pearl Harbor. There is still animosity between the two nations for the Japanese occupation of China. Earlier this year, China started a diplomatic row over the way the occupation was handled in new Japanese textbooks.

I read something a few years back that said Japan has one of the world's largest and most modern navies. I believe that article also siad the Japanese navy is larger than the navy of Great Britain.

The comparable size of two opposing nations (land, population, etc) should not be viewed as a direct correlation on the stronger party either. Viet Nam, Argentina vs Britain, Afghanistan vs USSR, Isreal vs all Arab nations in several wars, Ghenghis Khan vs China, the middle east and eastern Europe... the list is long... the physical size and amount of resources does not always indicate who the winner will be.

As final thought... David really did beat Goliath.

[Kapitan]

japan does not have a larger fleet than that of the UK at this moment in time, currently 3% of japans GDP is spent on millitary if japan boosted this to some where like 45% or even up to 50% japan could maintain a fleet equal if not larger than america's.

japans submarine fleet is a very good fleet they have a very good build reserve retire cycle.

currently japan does not poses an air craft carrier nor that many frigates or destroyers.

i shall get current numbers in both fleets in about 45 mins

[joea]

Interesting thread Kaptain, and fitting to our site SUBSIM.

Not Islamsim.

Not SS professional soldiers / war criminals sim.

Ok rant over...I won't vote say match null...Japan could never conquer China...but China unless they had a much more modern and numerous navy and air force would not be able to beat Japan.

Sorry for the cop out. :lol:

[August]

I think China would win for the simple reason they have The Bomb.

[Konovalov]

Yep, they have the big bomb. I agree with you August. China, the winner.

[Kapitan]

JMSDF ships totals:

8 destroyers

21 frigates plus 2 building

1 LPD plus 3 building

17 Attack submarines (one 4 building another 8 to be paid off)

12 mine warefare ships (aproximation)

61 vessels not including auxilaries



British royal navy:

3 aircraft carriers plus 2 building (one has paid off but still can be used)
18 Frigates

8 destroyers plus 8 building

3 landing ships

6 research vessels

25 patrol craft

22 mine warfare vessels also double as PT craft

11 Nuclear attack submarines plus 5 or more building

4 nuclear missile submarines

total 101 vessels not including auxilaries

[Takeda Shingen]

NATO will side with Japan. Thusly, Japan will win.

[Kapitan]

japan has more allies but china could have allies that are more powerful india and russia put it this way china and russia single handedly could take america on but america has some good allies and thus could turn tables.

japan is a good navy and should win

[kelawi]

Kapitain, your source has more info than I found. Here is the sight I looked at: http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/2204.html

The 25 patrol craft on your list, I might find suspect as the site above lists 18 unarmed "Fast Training Boats". If so, I'd probably discount the "patrol craft" on your list bringing the number of vessels between the two nations closer to parity.

However, I do not mean to say that Japan's Navy is on parity with that of the Royal Navy, as you mentioned, Japan does not have even one aircraft carrier.

I couldn't find a good source on Japan's ships including their own website. Jane's is all paid subscription. CIA Factbook wasn't helpful. What I'm getting at is what was your source for the info? I'd like to be able to look at this info in more detail on other nation's navies.

Thanks

Kevo

[Kapitan]

i got the source from i cant remember when i return from my interview today il post up the link.

the unarmed patrol craft as you put it yes they are unarmed but in time of war or if the need arrises they can be armed counting them as patrol craft.

nearest the japanease have to a aircraft carrier is the osumi LPD i suppose it could carry one or two harriers but i doubt it its more like HMS ocean than anything.