How does one become a muslim ?

[Sixpack]

By accident I found this during my Google travels this otherwise nice afternoon:

http://www.maghrebonline.nl/nl/islam/hoewordikmoslim.php
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Alas, the English text would not open.

Hoe Word ik moslim? Theme: How do I become a muslim ?

1. Acknowledge that there is no other God but Allah
2. Acknowledge that Mohammed is Allah's prophet.

It goes on: Join a muslim community or be a founder. Follow only the Quran.

I wont bother you with what this moderate Dutch-muslim site writes about women who dress like Dutch women.

Intelligent fundamentalism at its best. Not breaking any rules but cleverly dismissing the Dutch/western infidel's culture as inferior and promoting non-integration of muslims.

Why do they want to live here ? Answer: ...... be a founder.

[Sixpack]

Feast your eyes on the latest mosq in my region. Hail the new founder.

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[M.Mira]

Islam means subjection or submission...

[U-552Erich-Topp]

:) Yes Mira, you are right :up: :up: :up:

[DAB]

Islam means subjection or submission...

It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god. The words subjection or submission can be used... but thats just a touch loaded and a gift to the Islamaphobic lobby on this forum.

[DAB]

Intelligent fundamentalism at its best. Not breaking any rules but cleverly dismissing the Dutch/western infidel's culture as inferior and promoting non-integration of muslims.

Curious remarks from someone who someone else who considers some cultures inferior to his own.

[Konovalov]

Islam means subjection or submission...

It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god. The words subjection or submission can be used... but thats just a touch loaded and a gift to the Islamaphobic lobby on this forum.

Thankyou. This is exactly what it's meaning is.

[awood6535]

It wouldn't have something to do with blowing up Women and Children. Oh I'm sorry If there Jews there not children. Right :nope:

[CCIP]

How does one become a muslim? By saying dada. :rotfl:

[joea]

Islam means subjection or submission...

It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god. The words subjection or submission can be used... but thats just a touch loaded and a gift to the Islamaphobic lobby on this forum.

Islamophobes on this forum? :huh:
Really?

[Abraham]

Islam means subjection or submission...
It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god...Submission to Allah and his word, the Quran, I would say.

And that's where the misery starts for a religion - any religion - that has strict conformal rules, its own legal system (Sharia) and an pretentions of world wide domination.
Any form of intellectual criticism, be it theological, moral, historical, political, economical or sociological can always be suppressed by an appeal on fundamental Islam...
Liberal Muslims have (always had) a though time... they are seen as infidels by fundamental Islam.

[DAB]

Islam means subjection or submission...
It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god...Submission to Allah and his word, the Quran, I would say.

And that's where the misery starts for a religion - any religion - that has strict conformal rules, its own legal system (Sharia) and an pretentions of world wide domination.
Any form of intellectual criticism, be it theological, moral, historical, political, economical or sociological can always be suppressed by an appeal on fundamental Islam...
Liberal Muslims have (always had) a though time... they are seen as infidels by fundamental Islam.

Yeah...and I remember being expelled from Sunday School for suggesting Creationism was flawed.

Funny...fundermentalists seem to be there in ALL religions.

I love the fact that all these threads seem to be based on empahasis on certain words - with the arguments centering on their western meaning. Given the differences between English and my First Language (Welsh), there is no way that I am happy to make such presumptions

After all, literally translating terms for marrying from Welsh to English - you would get a phrase in English that suggests I own my wife. Let me assure you, we don't do that in North Wales.

Anouther example is that if you typed 'love' into an online translation dictionary - you would get 'Cariad'. Yet I would never say Cariad to my girlfriend, because the world has cultural connitations that means the only person who can acceptably use it is her father.

My point is that word empahsis is different in Indo European Germanic languages then it is to a Brythonic Celtic language and certainly very different to a Semitic Afro-Asiatic Language which is Arabic.

So short of you all getting out your dictionaries, translating the original text - and then proving the word context of all the verbs and adjatives in every sentace - all these arguments are actually useless. Because they are interpretations based on your word use, not a Muslims.

top tip from DAB: You won't be able to prove your arguments even then because interpretration will differ from one continent to the next. :sunny:

[Abraham]

Islam means subjection or submission...
It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god...Submission to Allah and his word, the Quran, I would say.

And that's where the misery starts for a religion - any religion - that has strict conformal rules, its own legal system (Sharia) and an pretentions of world wide domination.
Any form of intellectual criticism, be it theological, moral, historical, political, economical or sociological can always be suppressed by an appeal on fundamental Islam...
Liberal Muslims have (always had) a though time... they are seen as infidels by fundamental Islam.
Yeah...and I remember being expelled from Sunday School for suggesting Creationism was flawed.

Funny...fundermentalists seem to be there in ALL religions.Sure, you being expelled from a Sunday school may have been a traumatic experience, but that can hardly be seen as a prohibition to your critical thinking and to express yourself freely in this Western society, as your posting proves. It was a Christian Sunday school and not a Public school that expelled you! The comparison is therefore invalid (and slightly ridiculous).
And yes, there are of course fundamentalists in every religion, people that take their faith serious. This goes for Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Its the fundamentalist interpretation of his religion that determinates the behaviour of fundamentalists. If that religion does not accept the separation between State and Church and considers itself and its rules superior to Western nations and their Rule of Law, like fundamental Islam does, we have a problem.

And it's not just a matter of translation. as you said: My point is that word empahsis is different in Indo European Germanic languages... certainly very different to a Semitic Afro-Asiatic Language which is Arabic.I conclude that Islam stems from a culture widely different from our modern Western culture.

It is the vision Islam holds on its own dominant position in all aspects of society that is the crux of the problem. It can realise that position in predominant Muslim countries, but not in a 21th century Western society. That attitude causes much misery for its followers in such a society...
It's a challenge for Islam to modernize and accept its proper place in our society: next and equal to other religions.
Will it ever be able to survive as such? I sometimes doubt it...

[Iceman]

How is kill the unbelieving infidels translated incorrectly?...Only if they are not mentally handicapped? ...or if they are facing the west on a rug ?...My phobia is kicking in again sorry.I devolped this strange phob seeing Nicholas Berg's head come off...maybe dat Zarqi guy has mis-translated the Koran wrong? :huh: Islam o phobia....I have a phobia when peoples heads are coming off sorry.

[caspofungin]

you're assuming that what zarqawi is doing is based on religion -- it's politics. being a muslim doesn't require you to chop peoples heads off. stop generalizing, or making erronous assumptions. zarqawi;s group kills plenty of iraqis, too -- i'm pretty sure it's not because those innocent iraqi's weren't muslim enough.

[The Avon Lady]

you're assuming that what zarqawi is doing is based on religion -- it's politics. being a muslim doesn't require you to chop peoples heads off. stop generalizing, or making erronous assumptions. zarqawi;s group kills plenty of iraqis, too -- i'm pretty sure it's not because those innocent iraqi's weren't muslim enough.
The Quran sanctions beheadings in certain situations, for example, against apostates and unbelievers who oppose Islamic rule

The Quran should be the final authority in the lives of all Muslims, so I'm curious why any Muslims are at odds with the brutal reality of their own religious tradition.

Muhammed even had people who insulted him and his claims of being a prophet beheaded, including both men and women. If Muhammad is supposed to be the perfect man and perfect example for all mankind for all of time, as Islam has always claimed, then certainly all Muslims should find room for beheadings within their own religious convictions and doctrine. It is absurd for Muslims to claim otherwise, and even more absurd for non-Muslims to believe denials such as yours.

[caspofungin]

so you're saying nick berg was killed for religious reasons?

[The Avon Lady]

so you're saying nick berg was killed for religious reasons?
Not only was he killed for religious reasons, the method of execution was traditional.

[The Avon Lady]

so you're saying nick berg was killed for religious reasons?
Not only was he killed for religious reasons, the method of execution was traditional.
For your reference: Are the beheadings un-Islamic? (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/002836.php)

[caspofungin]

1. so what were the religious reasons he was killed for? because on the video, the killers claim he's being killed in direct retaliation for the abbuse of prisoners at abu ghraib. and i guess they of all people would know why they were killing him.

afterwards, scholars and clerics from al-azhar university in cairo, regarded as one of the top sites of islamic scholarship, condemned the murder, as did numerous other religous leaders. so are they all bad muslims -- those that many turn to to clarify religous points?

2. to be a muslim means to follow the 5 pillars of islam -- belief in God and his prophets, prayer, fasting, charity, and the pilgramage -- ritual beheading isn't one of them.

[caspofungin]

yeah, great, another "jihad watch" link. i should probably subscribe, becasue then i'd know what i have to do to become whatever that webmasters idea of what a good muslim is. instead of living by the ideals that my family taught me and that i learned from the quran, just like the millions of other muslims that aren't busy beheading people every day.

[caspofungin]

we need to have some different arguments, instead of retreading the same old ground.

coke vs pepsi, anyone?

[darksythe]

Why Become a Muslim Be a Yezidi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yezidi Instead.

[The Avon Lady]

1. so what were the religious reasons he was killed for? because on the video, the killers claim he's being killed in direct retaliation for the abbuse of prisoners at abu ghraib. and i guess they of all people would know why they were killing him.
And what is religiously wrong with that? Here was an infidel (a Jew at that!) that was abading the enemies of Islam during a time of war in Dar al-Islam.

Chop. Chop.
afterwards, scholars and clerics from al-azhar university in cairo, regarded as one of the top sites of islamic scholarship, condemned the murder, as did numerous other religous leaders. so are they all bad muslims -- those that many turn to to clarify religous points?
Yet the article I linked to (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/002836.php) states just the opposite:

"Let's go to a source I often quote: 'Umdat al-Salik, a Shafi'i manual of Islamic jurisprudence. I rely on it because it is readily available in English, so that any reader can check the book and see that what I say is true; and more importantly because it was endorsed by Al-Azhar University in Cairo, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam. Al-Azhar certified that it "conforms to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community."
2. to be a muslim means to follow the 5 pillars of islam -- belief in God and his prophets, prayer, fasting, charity, and the pilgramage -- ritual beheading isn't one of them.
Buildings rest on their foundations but they are shaped and formed by 1000s of small bricks, none the less, supported by those foundations.

Who are you fooling?!
yeah, great, another "jihad watch" link.
You must work for CAIR. All they can do is grunt at JW's mention but they can never respond to the point.
i should probably subscribe, becasue then i'd know what i have to do to become whatever that webmasters idea of what a good muslim is. instead of living by the ideals that my family taught me and that i learned from the quran, just like the millions of other muslims that aren't busy beheading people every day.
As the article I linked to stated:

But that moderate Islam, for it to have any power to neutralize terror, has to be convincing not just to Western non-Muslims, but to radical Muslims themselves. It has to take their Islamic justifications for murder and mayhem and show that they are wrong on Islamic grounds.

And the article concludes with:

So in sum: Akyol's piece is not the kind of moderate Islamic presentation we need in order to neutralize the radicals. We need one that confronts and refutes their arguments; his simply ignores them. Those who are looking for moderate Muslims to rise up and refute the radicals should keep looking.

We're waiting.

And waiting.

And waiting.

[caspofungin]

And what is religiously wrong with that? Here was an infidel (a Jew at that!) that was abading the enemies of Islam during a time of war in Dar al-Islam.

what's wrong with that is that it oversimplifies the situation. american and british and other soldiers aren't being killed because of their religion, they're being killed because some people see them as foreign invaders, there at the behest of foreign leaders, with the interests of foreign people in the forefront.

and those same insurgents or terrorists have killed many more iraqi -- muslim -- civilians than they've killed foreigners. plus they've killed egyptians, turks, pakistanis, moroccans -- all muslim. so there must be more to it than simple religion.

Who are you fooling?!

what -- exactly -- is that supposed to mean? i'm some super-cerebral power political player pulling the wool over everyone's eyes? i'm here to take over the forum and run it by sharia laws? i'm an al-qaeda sleeper agent, willing to blow myself up at a moments notice?

i'm not trying to "fool" anyone. you're busy presenting one view of islam. fair enough, i'm sure you have your reasons for that, and you've made your dislike of islam perfectly clear. but don't expect me to sit idly by while you post vitriol. you once stated that i wasn't objective. no, i'm fairly certain i'm biased towards myself and a fair representation of my faith. but because i agree i'm not objective, doesn't exactly allow you to place the mantle of aloofness or balance on your shoulders. you're just as biased as i am.

no, i've never once, ever, insinuated that me or my religion is superior to another. i've never once implied that -- please, quote me if i have.

i'm getting the impression that in your eyes, i'm "damned if i do, damned if i don't." whatever i post, quotes or links or whatever, to support the view that mainstream islam doesn't support killing civilians or whatever atrocity of the day is being pinned on islam -- you'll state that i'm not a true muslim, and not truly of my faith.

and no doubt, if i played into your hands and lived up to your (prejorative?) expectations, i'm suddenly the banner boy for islamic fundamentalism.

so which is it?

oh, and http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

[caspofungin]

you're waiting? so are a lot of people -- muslims included.

muslims are just like any other people on earth in that they won't do something about a problem until that problem starts affecting them directly. go to amman today -- i'm sure it's not exactly a hotbed of al-qaeda support, if it ever was.

and people do try to sway fundamentalists with religious arguments. but the principle of fundamentalism -- in islam or any other religion -- is that you believe every one else opinion is wrong. it all comes down to interpretation and belief -- there's no hard cold way to prove an interpretation is right or wrong. by definition, if there was, an interpretation wouldn't be needed -- the truth would be revealed, so to speak.

so, no, i don't respond to all the calls for JW about moderate islam needs to fight back or speak up -- it already is, despite what you think, but only a certain number of fundamentalists are going to be convinced. there's always going to be that hard core that are out to get western civlians and governments, as well as the "wrong" middle eastern governments, the "misled" middle eastern civilians, etc.

when people in the middle east talk about iraqi suicide bombings (now jordaian, too) or beheadings or whatever, they don't make a big mention of the religious aspects. the thinking goes, "i'm a muslim, and i'm not doing those things, so it certainly can't be islam alone that's solely to blame." or am i fooling myself?

so the approach to fundamentalism has to be multifaceted. interpretation of religion. the development of a social justice system that allows differences in opinion to be worked out in a court or in the newspapers instead of with an ak-47. leadership worthy of the following, with imagination and altruism. simple economics.

simply calling out "you're wrong, you're wrong" isn't enough by itself. that's my response to the JW link.

[The Avon Lady]

you're waiting? so are a lot of people -- muslims included.
That's the problem. Get off your tush, all of you, and refute them or excommunicate them.
muslims are just like any other people on earth in that they won't do something about a problem until that problem starts affecting them directly.
I know plenty of people, especially with religious convictions, that don't sit still when their beliefs are digraced to such a low point due to the actions of their own coreligionists. Your reply is a cop-out.
go to amman today -- i'm sure it's not exactly a hotbed of al-qaeda support, if it ever was.
Only because they killed Muslims this time. Had the victims been Jews, Americans or most any other infidel, there would be shouts of Allahu Akhbar and candies handed out in the mourning tents honoring the Shahids.

[caspofungin]

fyi, i edited my last post while you were posting. and check the 1253 post, not edited, but really responded to either. correct my misinterpretations.

That's the problem. Get off your tush, all of you, and refute them or excommunicate them.

they have been refuted. plenty of times. and there's no excommunication in islam that i know of -- in the sense that some overseeing body has the power to decide who's muslim and who suddenly isn't.

Only because they killed Muslims this time. Had the victims been Jews, Americans or most any other infidel, there would be shouts of Allahu Akhbar and candies handed out in the mourning tents honoring the Shahids.

maybe. but there's usually plenty more who start looking at the sky, wondering when and where the next retaliation is going to come down. there's plenty more who curse the "shahids" because they know they're going to be out of a home in a short while. there's plenty more who just want to get on with their lives, who've never lifted a hand against another person and would like the same courtesy extended to them. but i guess it's easier to demonize someone than it is to try and get along -- from either side.

I know plenty of people, especially with religious convictions, that don't sit still when their beliefs are digraced to such a low point due to the actions of their own coreligionists.

yeah, so what do they do? live their lives in such a way as to state, "this is what my religion is truly about." or have mass marches or demonstrations. or sign up for the military to fight those they disagree with, even if it means getting blown up in a recruiting line. or stand up on tv in front of a bunch of people whose opinions are already made up, and try to show a different face. or start blogs. or newspapers. all these things have been done. what else do you want? honestly, i'm not going to pick up a gun and start plugging people because they may or may not give me a bad name.

and as to copping out... trust me, it would be a lot easier on my blood pressure and my nerves to stop checking this forum out. but that would be a cop out.

[The Avon Lady]

you're waiting? so are a lot of people -- muslims included.

muslims are just like any other people on earth in that they won't do something about a problem until that problem starts affecting them directly. go to amman today -- i'm sure it's not exactly a hotbed of al-qaeda support, if it ever was.
See my previous post to these quotes.
and people do try to sway fundamentalists with religious arguments. but the principle of fundamentalism -- in islam or any other religion -- is that you believe every one else opinion is wrong.
This is not the whole picture. Unlike Christianity, Islam has concrete codes of law that touch upon every aspect of life. A classic example of this is homosexuality handled by various Christian denominations versus Islam (and Judaism, for that matter).

Christianity discontinued the vast majority of the Torah's legal ordinances. Pointing out the Old Testament's prohibitions to Christians is or can be 100% irrelevant.

Not so, Islam. Everything is codified or derived from that which has been codified. Islamic fundamentalists are hard to argue with because they can bring legal theological proofs and historical precedents to back themselves up.

Not so "moderate" Muslims. Try as they sometimes do, their arguments are no more convinving and often less so than the proofs brought by Islamists. And there are so many contradictions in Islam that it's impossible to often tell who's really justified and who's not.
it all comes down to interpretation and belief -- there's no hard cold way to prove an interpretation is right or wrong. by definition, if there was, an interpretation wouldn't be needed -- the truth would be revealed, so to speak.
More accurately, it comes down to belief in interpretation. Many of us non-Muslims view moderate Muslim's beliefs as comprimising, often based on the mediocre responses that are presented now and then against Islamic fundamentalists.
so, no, i don't respond to all the calls for JW about moderate islam needs to fight back or speak up -- it already is, despite what you think,
Where?! Where?

Why aren't they succeeding?
but only a certain number of fundamentalists are going to be convinced.
If anything, it's the other way around. Take those nice boys who blew themselves up in London a few months ago. Just as has been said for so many other Jihad warriors in the last few years, his family, friends and neighbors always knew him as a kind, gentle moderate soul.
there's always going to be that hard core that are out to get western civlians and governments, as well as the "wrong" middle eastern governments, the "misled" middle eastern civilians, etc.
I challenge you to give me numbers on what percentage amounts to that "hard core" you refer to. Also, you know as well as I that we can all Google for article showing Muslims polled in the UK and elsewhere, showing how many expressed sympathies for this or that Jihad cause, so on and so forth. This is a no-brainer.
when people in the middle east talk about iraqi suicide bombings (now jordaian, too) or beheadings or whatever, they don't make a big mention of the religious aspects. the thinking goes, "i'm a muslim, and i'm not doing those things, so it certainly can't be islam alone that's solely to blame."
In most religions, the vast majority of people are ignorant of their own faith's detailed scriptures, codes of law and ethics. What happens when they find out? Just ask the 10's of 1000's of Madras graduate students around the world.
or am i fooling myself?
:yep:
so the approach to fundamentalism has to be multifaceted. interpretation of religion.
Such "interpretations" have to stand up to Islam's existing standards. If it doesn't, then moderate Muslims should either join their fundamentalist brothers because they got it right, or abandon Islam altogether because it's hard to swallow that the Creator of the universe could advocate such barbarianism and transmit it through one guy whose actions in his lifetime were no less vicious and ruthless than what the Islamic world is offerring today.
the development of a social justice system that allows differences in opinion to be worked out in a court or in the newspapers instead of with an ak-47. leadership worthy of the following, with imagination and altruism. simple economics.
Sounds very western ideological to me!
simply calling out "you're wrong, you're wrong" isn't enough by itself. that's my response to the JW link.
It's a whimper of a cop-out.

If moderate Islam is genuine, then it needs to fight fire with fire. And Paris is still burning.

[caspofungin]

"Sharia has certain laws which are divinely ordained, concrete and timeless for the relevant situations (for example leisurely drinking of alcohol), and certain laws which are extracted based on principles by Islamic lawyers and judges (Mujtahidun). The sharia as interpreted by Islamic lawmakers is believed by Muslims to be merely a human approximation of Sharia, which is the divine and eternal correct path. In deriving Sharia law, Islamic lawmakers are not, therefore, actually creating divinely correct or incorrect actions beyond question, but rather attempting to interpret divine principles. Hence Sharia in general is considered divine, but a lawyer's or judge's extraction or opinion on a given matter is not."

so again i state, the interpretation of a religion is different from that religion itself.

Everything is codified or derived from that which has been codified.

it's that derivation, and the belief in it, which defines the fundamentalist.

his family, friends and neighbors always knew him as a kind, gentle moderate soul.

that's usually what people say when they find out someone they knew -- or thought they knew -- is a killer. it's not localized or limited to islamic fundamentalism.

I challenge you to give me numbers on what percentage amounts to that "hard core" you refer to. Also, you know as well as I that we can all Google for article showing Muslims polled in the UK and elsewhere, showing how many expressed sympathies for this or that Jihad cause, so on and so forth. This is a no-brainer.

and if we really believed that the duty of every muslim was to fight western ideology, it wouldn't just be paris that is burning. and in paris, there wouldn't be muslims standing up and speaking out against the violence.

Sounds very western ideological to me!

maybe. but the quran and hadith have bits about what's to be expected from the leadership of a country -- and trust me, no one's delivering.

anyway, my point is that it's more than just reading the quran which makes someone a fundamentalist, ready to kill for his beliefs -- if that was true, you and i wouldn't be talking. religion is used to justify a hatred that exists because of perceived ill-usage or poor treatment. religion is used to amplify the dislike and distrust of others. religion is used.

[Jesper]

I didnt bother to read this topi, but why would anyone wants to be a muslim?

[Abraham]

I didnt bother to read this topi, but why would anyone wants to be a muslim?
Ask Sixpack, he started the thread and wants to join, it seems: they're building a mosque on the other side of his street...

[darksythe]

So maybe he thinks that if he doesnt join hell be killed? :yep: (in the long run that is)

[Iceman]

-- i'm pretty sure it's not because those innocent iraqi's weren't muslim enough.

Well ... if your pretty sure that's good enough for me.I wonder what they were killed for then?

[Sixpack]

I didnt bother to read this topi, but why would anyone wants to be a muslim?
Ask Sixpack, he started the thread and wants to join, it seems: they're building a mosque on the other side of his street...

LOL, God forbid: It's on the other side of the river that divides this town.

[Sixpack]

I didnt bother to read this topi, but why would anyone wants to be a muslim?

You tell me, from a European perspective :know:

[Abraham]

I didnt bother to read this topi, but why would anyone wants to be a muslim?
Ask Sixpack, he started the thread and wants to join, it seems: they're building a mosque on the other side of his street...

LOL, God forbid: It's on the other side of the river that divides this town.Then dig a tunnel, you Dutchman! Water never stopped you guys in the past...
:D

[Sixpack]

You never got the point, did ya ?

[kiwi_2005]

How does one become a muslim? Strap some dynomite to your chest and run to the nearest resturant. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Wim Libaers]

I didnt bother to read this topi, but why would anyone wants to be a muslim?
Ask Sixpack, he started the thread and wants to join, it seems: they're building a mosque on the other side of his street...

LOL, God forbid: It's on the other side of the river that divides this town.

So that means they can safely burn down your side of the town without risking damage to their mosque? :rotfl:

[Abraham]

How does one become a muslim? Strap some dynomite to your chest and run to the nearest resturant. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I think that's the way to stop being a Muslim, and it is hardly funny.
To become a Muslim you have to accept the 5 pillars of Islam.

[Konovalov]

And nor is it funny to the victims of suicide bombers or their relatives/family the world over be they from Israel, Iraq, Bali, London, Madrid, New York, Washington DC, Sri Lanka, Pakistan et al. Goodnight.

[Abraham]

I didnt bother to read this topi, but why would anyone wants to be a muslim?
Ask Sixpack, he started the thread and wants to join, it seems: they're building a mosque on the other side of his street...

LOL, God forbid: It's on the other side of the river that divides this town.Then dig a tunnel, you Dutchman! Water never stopped you guys in the past...
:D
You never got the point, did ya ?
Sorry Sixpack, poor joke ;)