meaning of war?

[Kapitan]

"war is a continuation of politics by other means" von closwitz

but the true meaning of war is to serve its self right?

in war the only true enamy is war so no one can win

whats your views ?

[The Avon Lady]

Sure. The Allies didn't win and the Nazis didn't win. It was a tie!

Rhetoric. :yep:

Too much free time on your hands, Kaptain? :hmm:

[Kapitan]

yes and a persistant pest saying submarines should all be gone is naggin me

[TLAM Strike]

"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bull****. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight."

"Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base."

-General George Smith Patton, Jr.
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[gdogghenrikson]

Sure. The Allies didn't win and the Nazis didn't win. It was a tie!

Rhetoric. :yep:

Too much free time on your hands, Kaptain? :hmm:


The allies won because the Naziz stopped killing the jews. And if some one didnt go to war with them they would have taken over Europe

[gdogghenrikson]

"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of b.s.. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight."

"Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base."

-General George Smith Patton, Jr.
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What you say is a ignorant and dissrespectfull

[Happy Times]

The allies won because the Naziz stopped killing the jews What do you mean by this? What you say is a ignorant and dissrespectfull Well, he is only quoting Patton, dont see your point? :hmm:

[TLAM Strike]

The allies won because the Naziz stopped killing the jews. Ummmm no infact when they started losing they started killing them faster. :roll:

[Rockstar]

The meaning of war according Websters 1828 Dictionary

War

WAR, n. [G., to perplex, embroil, disturb. The primary sense of the root is to strive, struggle, urge, drive, or to turn, to twist.]

1. A contest between nations or states, carried on by force, either for defense, or for revenging insults and redressing wrongs, for the extension of commerce or acquisition of territory, or for obtaining and establishing the superiority and dominion of one over the other. These objects are accomplished by the slaughter or capture of troops, and the capture and destruction of ships, towns and property. Among rude nations, war is often waged and carried on for plunder. As war is the contest of nations or states, it always implies that such contest is authorized by the monarch or the sovereign power of the nation. When war is commenced by attacking a nation in peace, it si called an offensive war, and such attack is aggressive. When war is undertaken to repel invasion or the attacks of an enemy, it is called defensive, and a defensive war is considered as justifiable. Very few of the wars that have desolated nations and deluged the earth with blood, have been justifiable. Happy would it be for mankind, if the prevalence of Christian principles might ultimately extinguish the spirit of war, and if the ambition to be great, might yield to the ambition of being good.

Preparation for war is sometimes the best security for peace.

2. In poetical language, instruments of war.

His complement of stores, and total war.

3. Poetically, forces; army.

Oer the embattled ranks the waves return, and overwhelm their war.

4. The profession of arms; art of war; as a fierce man of war. Isa 2.

5. Hostility; state of opposition or contest; act of opposition.

6. Enmity; disposition to contention.

The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart. Psa 55.

Man of war, in naval affairs, a ship of large size, armed and equipped for attack or defense.

Holy war, a crusade; a war undertaken to deliver the Holy Land, or Judea, from infidels. These holy wars were carried on by most unholy means.

WAR, v.i.

1. To make war; to invade or attack a nation or state with force of arms; to carry on hostilities; or to be in a state of contest by violence.

He teacheth my hands to war. 2 Sam 22.

And they warred against eh Midianites. Num 31.

Why should I war without the walls of Troy?

2. To contend; to strive violently; to be in a state of opposition.

Lusts which war against the soul. 1 Pet 2.

WAR, v.t.

1. To make war upon; as, to war the Scot. [Not used.]

2. To carry on a contest.

That thou mightest war a good warfare. 1 Tim 1.

[Happy Times]

BTW this is the day "krystalnacht" took place :-?

[Iceman]

To me war simply ='s death.

Death is the one thing that was never meant to be.Men lived once I believe to 969 and would went up... indefinatley...now... we do good to make it to 60.The price of evil.

1 Corinthians 15
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

My take on WAR (http://www.cyberallies.com/war1.swf)6.84mb

[kiwi_2005]

War is caused through religeon?

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/justwar.html

[werauchimmer]

Damn, why is it that everybody is fascinated by such topics but

1) The guy quoted in the first posting is spelled "von Clausewitz".
2) Its not "krystalnacht": It was called "Reichskristallnacht". The PC term nowadays is "Reichsprogromnacht".

[The Avon Lady]

2) Its not "krystalnacht": It was called "Reichskristallnacht".
It's known simply as Kristallnacht by everyone that I know, including those that survived it and are still alive and recalling it.

[werauchimmer]

Okay, if you want it detailed:
In official Propaganda of the time it was called
"Judenaktion" (action against Jews), "Novemberaktion" (Only indicating the timeframe), "Vergeltungsaktion" (indicating revenge), "Sonderaktion" (Special action) or "Protest-Kundgebungen" (sounding so harmless as demonstration.

After the end of the regime there was a variety of names:
"Tag der Scherbe", "Reichsscherbenwoche", "Judennacht", "Pogromnacht", "Novemberpogrom", "Synagogensturm", "Synagogenbrand", "Novembernacht", "Synagogenstürmernacht".

The East germans had another name:
"faschistische Pogromnacht".

"Kristallnacht" and "Reichskristallnacht" were the standard terms used in West-germany and amongst historians internationally until 1989. After the unification it was changed to "Reichsprogromnacht" because the original term "Reichskristallnacht" had lost its meaning (FYI: It was a term used on the streets of Berlin for the first time, and it was actually kinda critic of the regime. For someone reading it today it does sound the opposite, so the PC term today is (Reichs-)Pogromnacht.

[The Avon Lady]

Noch a nacht.

[micky1up]

war isnt caused by religion , the people going to war use religion as an excuse to go to war or persuade ppl to go to war or bend to the will of the waring factions . make love not war is my moto oh and also death to all squirrels

[P_Funk]

War means different things to different people.

To the average man war is a directive. It is what the eldars say the young must do.

To the powerful, war is a means to an end. War has always been about economics. Territory, resources, politics, population. THe powerful use war to create power through wealth, often by stealing it or trying to steal it from others. Even the crusades weren't truly about faith. The great carts of booty carried back to Europe say it all.

To a father it means the end of the family, to a mother it means the death of her son.

We can choose to see war as what we want. Only those who have experienced it themselves can truly know what war is about.

I prescribe to the Edwin Starr school of thought. If you don't know what I mean just listen to the song.

We can all agree that there has to be a better way.

[kiwi_2005]

make love not war is my moto oh and also death to all squirrels

IN New Zealand its Death to all possums! 40 million and counting.

[The Avon Lady]

We can all agree that there has to be a better way.
Not always. :nope:

[Damo1977]

'Meaning of war'????????

Pointless question, unless you want revenge, than the cycle is repeated. Plus like my old man taught me the only ones that suffer during wars are the normal, ordinary people. Never the rich!!!

[gdogghenrikson]

'Meaning of war'????????

Pointless question, unless you want revenge, than the cycle is repeated. Plus like my old man taught me the only ones that suffer during wars are the normal, ordinary people. Never the rich!!!

yup

[Takeda Shingen]

Sure. The Allies didn't win and the Nazis didn't win. It was a tie!

Rhetoric. :yep:

Too much free time on your hands, Kaptain? :hmm:

Yes, the Allies gained the right to participate in a protrated Cold War, costing hundreds of trillions of dollars, the lives of countless men, women and children, and resulting in the near destruction of the entire world. True, as the defeated, Germany became the battleground, so in that regard the Allies, as mere participants, 'won'. However, that seems a shallow victory in the course of mankind. History shows us that one never truly wins.

Kaptain is infering that in war are always losers, who will ultimately seek to regain what was lost in the previous war. This, of course, leads to new wars and wars of greater frequency, resulting in what can be seen as one continuous state of war with relatively brief periods of peace. Thus, war fuels itself.

[Kapitan]

i was refering to a nuclear war the true nature of war is to serve a political mean but the role of war is to serve its self

yet in nuclear war the only enamy is war because both sides cannot win

[Takeda Shingen]

Ah, I see, then. I was impressed with what I thought was a journey into the realm of the profound, but a big 'nevermind' to that now. It is obvious that if you kill everyone, then no one can reap the spoils.

Besides, with all men gone, war would be without a vessel with which to serve itself. :roll:

[Excalibur Bane]

i was refering to a nuclear war the true nature of war is to serve a political mean but the role of war is to serve its self

yet in nuclear war the only enamy is war because both sides cannot win

Precisely the reason why a nuclear war simply won't happen, assuming the world's various countries retain the services of sane rules anyway. Nuclear weapons for the most part are useless for anything but complete and total destruction of an enemy, which is counter productive, since it destroys any tangible gains of territory, resources, etc.

We are a world gripped by fear and paranoia, which is only culled further by our various leaders to fuel a contant state of nuclear readiness, which in my opinion, is utterly pointless. :down:

The only people stupid enough to use a nuclear weapon are those who simply have nothing left to lose, and aside from terrorists, there is very few other groups or nations that are like that at the moment that I know of.

Anyway, if we managed to come to terms with the fact that these are just never going to be used in a war, we would do the sensible thing and disarm them. If we used the funding that the collective world spends on maintaining, constructing and keeping nuclear missiles ready to fly in there silos for something more constructive, say space, we might actually start advancing on some scientific fronts.

Personally, I'd rather see more progress being made toward the stars. Be nice to have something other then a fairly useless ISS that is currently in orbit. :-?

[TteFAboB]

You don't want to get rid of Earth's nuclear arsenal and explore space at the same time, what are you going to do once you chart the 1047530 10+km wide Asteroids that are heading to Earth at this moment?

[Frenchie]

"war is a continuation of politics by other means" von closwitz

but the true meaning of war is to serve its self right?

in war the only true enamy is war so no one can win

whats your views ?

Alright, someone's been watching Crimson Tide. :)

War is a continuation of politics by other means. - von Clausewitz again.

Sadly it does seem the only time countires come together truly to help each other is when they're blowing the crap outta some other poor bugger. I do think war is a necessary evil but whats with all this crap I read in the papers to do with war being illegal? Am I the only one who finds this idea hilarious?

Frenchie

[August]

'Meaning of war'????????

Pointless question, unless you want revenge, than the cycle is repeated. Plus like my old man taught me the only ones that suffer during wars are the normal, ordinary people. Never the rich!!!

yup

Not exactly true. There are plenty of examples of rich people being killed and wounded during wars.

[Kapitan]

yea crimson tide watched it thats the meaning of the post

[Excalibur Bane]

You don't want to get rid of Earth's nuclear arsenal and explore space at the same time, what are you going to do once you chart the 1047530 10+km wide Asteroids that are heading to Earth at this moment?

Send in the UNS Promethus, our newly developed space carrier with it's newly developed space fighters armed with our newly developed plasma throwers and blow away all the asteroids. :rock:

[Kapitan]

would it be a sin to say come back down to earth?

[Excalibur Bane]

would it be a sin to say come back down to earth?

:hmm: Not that I'm aware of, at least not in any religion I know. Not that I'm religious anyway. Meh. :shifty: