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Looks really good, only problem being it keeps saying it can't write to my carreer file, and or to the en. menu file in Sh3 itself, and consequently will not launch, is there something I am doing incorrectly?
JScones
10-22-05, 03:23 AM
Basically, SH3 Commander is not being allowed to write to your game files. This generally happens because:
1. You are not logged in under the Computer administrator account. You must have administrator privileges to run SH3 Commander.
2. You have a firewall, antivirus, spyware or other system file monitoring application which is interpreting SH3 Commander's attempts to write to your SH3 files as malicious and hence blocking them. Try turning them all off and testing SH3 Commander again. If it works, turn the applications back on one-by-one, testing SH3 Commander in between. When it fails again, you've found the conflicting application.
I tried shutting my antivirus down, and since there is no "administrator" there was nothing I can do in that arena.
The problem persists. Also, when I try to change the starting date for a new carreer I get a warning window saying "Invalid Argument to date encode", whatever the heck that means.
I really wish I could get this to work. But this problem is baffling me.
JScones
10-22-05, 10:17 PM
What OS are you running it on? If XP or 2000, then there *will* be an Administrator account (check under Control Panel|User Accounts). Please note that SH3Cmdr is not supported on any other OS.
So because I am running on 98, I will not be able to run this new encarnation of commander? That blows ( a bit imature to say, but this sucks, I don't like xp or those other OSs.) Sh3 runs fine on my system, the same with all the mods ( from what I have seen anyhow).
Pinetree
10-23-05, 11:10 PM
So because I am running on 98, I will not be able to run this new encarnation of commander? That blows ( a bit imature to say, but this sucks, I don't like xp or those other OSs.) Sh3 runs fine on my system, the same with all the mods ( from what I have seen anyhow).
You're expecting a bit much aren't you? Why should a modder have support for an OS that is 7 yrs old and even the publishers of said OS aren't supporting anymore? I'll be immature too, build a bridge and get over it. Or upgrade.XP aint that bad..
JScones
10-24-05, 02:47 AM
So because I am running on 98, I will not be able to run this new encarnation of commander? That blows ( a bit imature to say, but this sucks, I don't like xp or those other OSs.) Sh3 runs fine on my system, the same with all the mods ( from what I have seen anyhow).
Conversely, I don't like Win98. Anyway, my DVD-ROM cover says the operating system required for SH3 is Windows XP or 2000. Hence, I have developed SH3 Commander to run on Windows XP or 2000. Other mods may work fine on Win98, but such mods generally consist of updated SH3 game files. SH3 Commander, however, is a full third party application. I simply cannot support older OS (which themselves are unsupported by their maker) when there are people with legitimate questions running on supported OS.
However, one thing you may like to make sure is that the files it fails on are not read only and that they exist at the path stated in the error message.
Cheapskate
10-24-05, 03:57 PM
So because I am running on 98, I will not be able to run this new encarnation of commander? That blows ( a bit imature to say, but this sucks, I don't like xp or those other OSs.) Sh3 runs fine on my system, the same with all the mods ( from what I have seen anyhow).
FWIW Pythos, I share your disappointment at not being able to run SH3 Cmdr. Would dearly have loved to experience the extra level of involvement that this mod would have given.
JS is right, the DVD did clearly state that only XP and 2000 would be supported. Pity then, that the pre release publicity did not. Then I might not have had such an unpleasant surprise on release day, when my copy landed on doormat (some three weeks after having ordered it ) . Strangely, the program's own system check passed my operating system without comment. Stranger still, it actually runs perfectly well despite the OS' obvious antiquity and decrepitness - that is , if you can ignore the sad fact that you can't save mid mission in career mode.
Looks like we're going to have to join all the others in the XX1st century! Or forgo the pleasures of SH3 Cmdr. I'm for the former option but not keen on going the XP route. Anyone got any informed views on suitability of Win2k?
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.
gdogghenrikson
10-24-05, 06:15 PM
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.
me tooo. just played silent service 2 week or two ago
:rock:
Cheapskate
10-24-05, 06:16 PM
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.
Wow! I didn't think of that ! Do you mean I could actually run Virtual Valerie 2 at the proper speed with the sound in sync?
Ooh...ooh....OOOH! Chalk up another sale for XP then!
Seriously though, I am considering Win2k Pro because:-
1) I can get a copy fairly cheaply
2) Someone told me in another forum ( not SH3 related )
that they had two computers in the same household.
Each of them was running the same program. The XP
system kept BSODing all over the place, whereas the 2k
set up ran perfectly stably.
SH3 seems have a peculiar propensity to fall over at the slightest
opportunity. So I would welcome any advice from 2k owners, as to its stability running it.
Redfoot
10-24-05, 06:27 PM
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.
It does? My copy of Warhammer Dark Omen has been gathering dust since 1997.. :(
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.
It does? My copy of Warhammer Dark Omen has been gathering dust since 1997.. :(
It's not guaranteed that it'll run every game, but I have some very old games running fine on it - "Omikron: The Nomad Soul" and "The Last Express" for example.
As for general stability, I've never had a more stable OS in my life, and I've been at a computer virtually every day for the last 15 years.
That's news to me. I can do everything the sime is capable of with my 98 machine. See the reason I like 98 is that not many virusus are being written for it, because it is too old. Also it does not and never has spewed all your personal info across the net for all to see, like the newer os s did when new. I also find it to be quite stable, unlike my roomates xp machine. This problem with commander, must be a simple fix, if the actual sim runs on the 98 machine.
I too was shocked when I saw the supported OS being 2000xp and newer, I was also upset when I found out I needed a new DVD rom. This kinda stuff should have been released far earlier than it was.
I however love the game, and am quite pleased with it. Along with the awsome mods.
Cheapskate
10-24-05, 11:12 PM
That's news to me. I can do everything the sime is capable of with my 98 machine. See the reason I like 98 is that not many virusus are being written for it, because it is too old. Also it does not and never has spewed all your personal info across the net for all to see, like the newer os s did when new. I also find it to be quite stable, unlike my roomates xp machine. This problem with commander, must be a simple fix, if the actual sim runs on the 98 machine.
I too was shocked when I saw the supported OS being 2000xp and newer, I was also upset when I found out I needed a new DVD rom. This kinda stuff should have been released far earlier than it was.
I however love the game, and am quite pleased with it. Along with the awsome mods.
Well your comments surprise me! You're the first person I've heard of getting in mission career saves with 98x systems. There have been quite a few threads started by people with this problem but they seem to peter out & die with no feedback as to whether, or more importantly, how the problem was solved.
Did you do anything special ... like renaming your save directory to match the XP protocols or are your saves just going to the usual " My Documents " folder? And which of the save options do you use i.e."Save then Exit patrol" or "Save and exit" ? Excuse all these questions but this problem has driven me nuts ever since I got the game. 98SE has always been stable for me too - I've hardly ever had a CTD - except when applying incompatible mods! And I have never CTD'd when using the crew configuration buttons that seem to trouble so many other newer OS' users.
Lastly, I am nervous about losing the comfort of a DOS based system. With DOS I think there is a fair chance of getting the system to do what YOU want , NOT what SOMEONE ELSE thinks you ought to. Maybe my confidence is misplaced but that's how I see it.
...This problem with commander, must be a simple fix, if the actual sim runs on the 98 machine...
Well, the problem (as I see it) is that SH3 Commander has a backlog of features that we would like to get developed. We have a finite time period to work on the mod, and we have a lot of work to do to make SH3 Commander be all it can be for Win2000 and XP. We are already looking at a situation where there's more to do than we have energy for. I believe that adding compatibility for other operating systems cannot be made a consideration at this point, because if SH3 Commander supports Win98 it's not just a case of a quick fix with no adverse repercussions. Even if it is a quick and easy fix, it means that we have lost that amount of development time (translation: a feature is not implemented). I am 100% devoted to getting as much content into SH3 Commander as possible. I want this mod to be the best free mod ever made for a simulation, and I think it can be that - it probably is already, but I want it to be unmatched and unchallenged for years. I want people to say, in 10 years time "Hey, do you remember SH3 Commander? Why don't they make mods like that anymore?" Maybe that's selfish, but it's how I feel about it.
This is the best, most promising, mod project I've ever been involved with, and I don't want even a quick sidestep to slow down the march of progress, because this mod (as everyone knows who has used it) is 'the business'. I realise that's a hard pill to swallow for those who can't use it. All the features in the world are useless if you can't use them, but I believe this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a good game really great, and I'm loathe to halt progress even for an instant. I'm telling you, if you really love SH3, and if you really want to use this mod, get an OS that will run it. I don't think you'll regret it. SH3 Commander, with its commander bio feature and the new features that are in development, creates a gaming experience that has never been matched by any mod that I've seen or heard about. It brings role-playing elements to the game that make SH3 deeper, more meaningful and more fun. What Jaesen has given us is a whole new reason to play. This blend of sim and RPG is (in my view) what simulations should be all about.
JScones
10-25-05, 03:32 AM
This problem with commander, must be a simple fix, if the actual sim runs on the 98 machine.
It's not a problem but a conscious design choice. Making it Win98 compatible means losing enhancements for WinXP/2000 users, or at the very least, rewriting the code to exclude features that won't work on Win98, meaning as Beery says, less time for adding new features. Either way, I don't think (supported) WinXP/2000 users will be happy.
And please, it's just not as simple as saying "well the game runs, everything else must be able to".
...I was also upset when I found out I needed a new DVD rom. This kinda stuff should have been released far earlier than it was.
Only when I got the thing home and wondered why it wasn't loading did I realise my mistake...Anyway, let's just say that I got my first DVD-ROM drive around the same time I got my SH3...
As for general stability, I've never had a more stable OS in my life, and I've been at a computer virtually every day for the last 15 years.
i agree.
i installed xp pro on an old system i have:
celeron 300a
abit mb
diamond 300mx sound
asus video
xp pro runs more stable and faster than 98 ever did.
Cheapskate
10-25-05, 10:49 AM
As for general stability, I've never had a more stable OS in my life, and I've been at a computer virtually every day for the last 15 years.
i agree.
i installed xp pro on an old system i have:
celeron 300a
abit mb
diamond 300mx sound
asus video
xp pro runs more stable and faster than 98 ever did.
Don't doubt this for a moment. The speed advantage of XP over 98x/ME has been well documented. It's just that , like Pythos ,I have reservations about XP and would like to consider a less draconian alternative. Win2k pro has been recommended to me - but not by anyone who is running SH3, and that would be my main reason for going NTFS! I know that 2k was never intended to be a gaming platform but that doesn't mean that it won't do the job. Has anyone out there had an opportunity to directly compare XP with 2k and can offer me advice. I know what I'm saying is " tell me that 2k is as good as XP" but I won't go that route if there is a cogent reason not to!
It's not a problem but a conscious design choice. Making it Win98 compatible means losing enhancements for WinXP/2000 users, or at the very least, rewriting the code to exclude features that won't work on Win98, meaning as Beery says, less time for adding new features. Either way, I don't think (supported) WinXP/2000 users will be happy...
Hehe, I can see it now:
Final version of SH3 Commander now available!
Commander bio feature removed.
Removed "Use real ship names" option.
Removed realistic crew transfers option.
Various deletions and feature cut-backs.
Win98 now supported!
:arrgh!:
Cheapskate
10-25-05, 12:44 PM
It's not a problem but a conscious design choice. Making it Win98 compatible means losing enhancements for WinXP/2000 users, or at the very least, rewriting the code to exclude features that won't work on Win98, meaning as Beery says, less time for adding new features. Either way, I don't think (supported) WinXP/2000 users will be happy...
Hehe, I can see it now:
Final version of SH3 Commander now available!
Commander bio feature removed.
Removed "Use real ship names" option.
Removed realistic crew transfers option.
Various deletions and feature cut-backs.
Win98 now supported!
:arrgh!:
Mum....MUM! Come here quick! Beery is laughing at us! :cry:
been building pc's since 286's and mfm hard drives.
operating systems i've used:
dos 5.0 thru dos 6.2
win 3.1
win 95
win 98
win 2000
win me(i include this because microsoft confirms it as an os; go look on their web site if you don't believe me)
ntfs 4.0
win xp pro
os recommended for home gaming pc: win xp pro
the thing that gets me most about this thread - what is so bad about win xp that makes it not an option? this is confusing to me probably because i know its the best option. but i DO want to hear the horror stories that are making you so reluctant...and leave your mom out of this!
gdogghenrikson
10-26-05, 01:18 AM
been building pc's since 286's and mfm hard drives.
operating systems i've used:
dos 5.0 thru dos 6.2
win 3.1
win 95
win 98
win 2000
win me(i include this because microsoft confirms it as an os; go look on their web site if you don't believe me)
ntfs 4.0
win xp pro
os recommended for home gaming pc: win xp pro
the thing that gets me most about this thread - what is so bad about win xp that makes it not an option? this is confusing to me probably because i know its the best option. but i DO want to hear the horror stories that are making you so reluctant...and leave your mom out of this!
huh..here is what I have used and my thoughts
Win 95..it was ok
win 98.. second worst OS I have used
win 2000 pro.good OS(second best OS I Have used)
Win ME..worst OS I Have ever used(lots of blue screen of death) :rotfl:
Win XP pro.. windows best OS.. IMHO (well I have had the least problems with this OS)
JScones
10-26-05, 02:41 AM
Hehe, I can see it now:
Final version of SH3 Commander now available!
Commander bio feature removed.
Removed "Use real ship names" option.
Removed realistic crew transfers option.
Various deletions and feature cut-backs.
Win98 now supported!
:arrgh!:
:rotfl: Note to self: do not read such comments with a mouth full of scotch...
The Avon Lady
10-26-05, 02:44 AM
Hehe, I can see it now:
Final version of SH3 Commander now available!
Commander bio feature removed.
Removed "Use real ship names" option.
Removed realistic crew transfers option.
Various deletions and feature cut-backs.
Win98 now supported!
:arrgh!:
:rotfl: Note to self: do not read such comments with a mouth full of scotch...
Glad to hear you can still read. :doh:
kiwi_2005
10-26-05, 03:15 AM
My OS order:
Unix
Dos
Win95
Win98se
Win2k
Linux Mandrake, redhat, SuSe and Dragon Lunix
WinXP Pro Drive C & Vista beta (longhorn) on second drive.
Favourite all time OS....drum roll....Windows2000 (with SP4)
Amazing how alot of threads lean away from the main topic :)
Col7777
10-26-05, 03:19 AM
That's the spirit, hic. :)
Cheapskate
10-26-05, 04:31 AM
been building pc's since 286's and mfm hard drives.
operating systems i've used:
dos 5.0 thru dos 6.2
win 3.1
win 95
win 98
win 2000
win me(i include this because microsoft confirms it as an os; go look on their web site if you don't believe me)
ntfs 4.0
win xp pro
os recommended for home gaming pc: win xp pro
the thing that gets me most about this thread - what is so bad about win xp that makes it not an option? this is confusing to me probably because i know its the best option. but i DO want to hear the horror stories that are making you so reluctant...and leave your mom out of this!
Well, nothing ,I suppose - just prejudice and good old fashioned resistance to radical change! Seeing a list of all the OS you worked with made me go all nostalgic. DOS 5 with PCTools......mmmmmm now that was a system. Who really needed Windows at all? If I wanted a GUI - would've bought a Mac! And don't forget DOS 3 -came on a 720k floppy and only used about half of that!
Dunno why Beery and JJ are getting all farty about a simple little adjustment to make SH3 Cmdr run on Win 98. Must be child's play for whiz kids like them! Now if we'd asked for a DOS 3 version they might have something to complain about!
Got to leave my mum out of it for the moment, more's the pity, her wheelchair has got a flat! Just wait til my dad gets home though!
Dunno why Beery and JJ are getting all farty about a simple little adjustment to make SH3 Cmdr run on Win 98. Must be child's play for whiz kids like them!
If it was child's play, we would have done it gladly by now, if only to have some peace. :damn:
Now come on, everyone's telling you to upgrade, and we've yet to hear your XP and Win2000 horror stories. I'm beginning to suspect you have some sort of weird Win98 fetish.
Cheapskate
10-26-05, 06:11 AM
My OS order:
Unix
Dos
Win95
Win98se
Win2k
Linux Mandrake, redhat, SuSe and Dragon Lunix
WinXP Pro Drive C & Vista beta (longhorn) on second drive.
Favourite all time OS....drum roll....Windows2000 (with SP4)
Amazing how alot of threads lean away from the main topic :)
Sorry for "leaning" off topic mate. I was just trying to get some info on a system that would let me run SH3 Cmdr without installing another invasive, spyware ridden application - I've already got one of those which came FOC with SH3 :) so I don't think I strayed too far. Just thought all you experienced computer buffs could help. Bloody good job I didn't hold my breath waiting for an answer though! :-j Still I've found a brilliant technical advice forum - 5 answers within 30 mins after I posted the query - and all good detailed stuff too! Upgrade to NTFS now proceeding.
Interesting you mentioned Win 2000 with SP4 - doesn't that turn it into a poor mans version of XP?
Beery: Thanks for the info on what wouldn't be in a win98 version. Wouldn't be much without all those features. I'm not going to tell my dad about you now.!
Cheapskate
10-26-05, 06:51 AM
Dunno why Beery and JJ are getting all farty about a simple little adjustment to make SH3 Cmdr run on Win 98. Must be child's play for whiz kids like them!
If it was child's play, we would have done it gladly by now, if only to have some peace. :damn:
Now come on, everyone's telling you to upgrade, and we've yet to hear your XP and Win2000 horror stories. I'm beginning to suspect you have some sort of weird Win98 fetish.
Fetish ......MOI? What are you suggesting Sir! Yes, I suppose I have become attached to 98SE. With the unofficial service pack applied it really is very stable, no more wrong reporting of drive sizes, support for external USB devices, Tweak UI included, 98 over 512 mb memory probs sorted, nice blue Win2k desktop. Plus I think it runs win95 games OK. I'll have to dig out my copy of Omikron ( hate to think how many hours I spent playing that!) to be sure. Don't think I'll be any good at it now though. Reflexes aren't what they used to be and I only beat those demons by luck first time round.
Don't really have any horror stories about XP or 2k. Have had about 2 short sessions on XP and I can't find where anything is!
No experience at all on 2k - although I've stuck my neck out and bought a copy of 2k Pro. I guess I'm just an inveterate late adopter and unnaturally cautious - some would say paranoid -with some justification I'm afraid.
kiwi_2005
10-26-05, 06:56 AM
Interesting you mentioned Win 2000 with SP4 - doesn't that turn it into a poor mans version of XP?
Yes and win98 is the poor mans version of WinME :-j
If you upgrade you will find your games run better. Compared to Win98....way better.
Cheapskate
10-26-05, 07:09 AM
Interesting you mentioned Win 2000 with SP4 - doesn't that turn it into a poor mans version of XP?
Yes and win98 is the poor mans version of WinME :-j
If you upgrade you will find your games run better. Compared to Win98....way better.
Hah! Not my version of 98SE - see previous post! It's way better than ME. Not far short of XP now but without the bloat and a nice familiar GUI. Problem is, a lot of inconsiderate perishers won't support it!
kiwi_2005
10-26-05, 07:32 AM
One thing i remeber about Win98se is we used it at work as the Server OS, back when win98 & se was state of the art material. Back then to have win98 as a server OS was a no no, as NT4 was the business OS choice but we were happy to stick with win98se. And she did the job well. Then of course we upgraded to win2k later.
Cheapskate
10-26-05, 08:22 AM
One thing i remeber about Win98se is we used it at work as the Server OS, back when win98 & se was state of the art material. Back then to have win98 as a server OS was a no no, as NT4 was the business OS choice but we were happy to stick with win98se. And she did the job well. Then of course we upgraded to win2k later.
I'm really happy with it too - particularly with unofficial service pack-that really does make one hell of a difference! The guy who compiled that upgrade deserves a medal.
Anyhow I've decided the way to go - I've got a fair amount of upgrade stuff ( you've got to buy nearly everything when you upgrade a M/B now) . So if I keep the old bits instead of junking them, add another case & a few other bits - I've got another computer!
Will keep 98SE on that for old game compatibility - I think Win2k has a few probs in that area??? And keep the new computer for new generation games - like SH3 - that need NTFS. This assumes of course , that there are some that don't have a protection system like the current version of SF!
Might want to pick your brains about the service packs though if that's OK with you?
kiwi_2005
10-26-05, 03:34 PM
Well what i can tell you is with Win2k and SPK 3 and up games are playable on this OS. I have the OEM version of WinXP Pro and it seems to have DLL problems compared to the retail version. I had alot of trouble updating my version of winxp pro to SPK 2, until i was notified by microsoft that the OEM version doesn't like certain DLLs so you have to manually deleted them to make way for others. If you dont do this later on your get a "unable to find file" error on startup, which means winxp will not load and a reinstall is the only option. :damn:
kiwi_2005
10-26-05, 06:34 PM
Berry when i try too DL Commander 2.2 from the link you gave me, the DL gets to 29mbs then restarts :damn: the DL again? Its done it twice so i gave up for now and am DL the IUB 1.1 mod which is going to take me about 12hrs using a 56k :roll:
Berry when i try too DL Commander 2.2 from the link you gave me, the DL gets to 29mbs then restarts :damn: the DL again? Its done it twice so i gave up for now and am DL the IUB 1.1 mod which is going to take me about 12hrs using a 56k :roll:
You're using a 56k modem? Ouch!
Perhaps time to consider Getright - when I had a 56k modem it was essential.
kiwi_2005
10-26-05, 06:45 PM
Ive heard of Getright, i might try it after this DL. I never use to DL much until i got SH3 and then all these mods started coming out. :)
Gotta make the switch to Broadband
I'm pretty sure it's a free download (it always used to be). It's at http://www.getright.com/. Once you get it you'll never want to download without it (until you get cable that is).
kiwi_2005
10-26-05, 09:23 PM
Thanks, will get it after this iub dL now at 47% another 6 hrs to go. :roll: Then will give CDR2.2 another try.
Kpt. Lehmann
10-26-05, 10:14 PM
Get cable.... and the only restrictions are sometimes the bandwidth-speed limit of sites you DL from...
Usually I get 400-500 kbps... sometimes as high as 600-700 kbps... totally addictive SPEED!!!!
It is expensive but I use the heck out of it.
I am not made of money, and from what I have seen a LEGAL copy of XP is in the 200 to 300 dollar range, or am I mistaken.
I understand the reasons for SH3 commander's not being able to work with 98. I find it unfortunate. I'll see if I can get a scab (in other words illegal copy) of win xp pro. All I can say is, both Silent hunter, and my flight sim had better work a hell of a lot better, cause it's gona cost one way or another.
Pinetree
10-26-05, 11:19 PM
Get cable.... and the only restrictions are sometimes the bandwidth-speed limit of sites you DL from...
Usually I get 400-500 kbps... sometimes as high as 600-700 kbps... totally addictive SPEED!!!!
It is expensive but I use the heck out of it.
Hehe,here in NZ the options are a bit more limited;broadband or dial-up.
The joys of one company having a monopoly. :down:
I am not made of money, and from what I have seen a LEGAL copy of XP is in the 200 to 300 dollar range, or am I mistaken.
I understand the reasons for SH3 commander's not being able to work with 98. I find it unfortunate. I'll see if I can get a scab (in other words illegal copy) of win xp pro. All I can say is, both Silent hunter, and my flight sim had better work a hell of a lot better, cause it's gona cost one way or another.
I've seen legal second-hand copies on Amazon.com for $150, and I've seen legal copies of Win2k on Amazon for $80. Only someone who hasn't used it would say that SH3 Commander is not worth an $80 investment. :-j
kiwi_2005
10-27-05, 06:50 PM
Cdr 2.2 works perfect Berry.
Tested it in campaign and single player, no problems. Only other mod i have running is the IUB1.1.
In the Commander setup is that single mission setup to generate single missions, which it will keep a record of?
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