Article on Tomshardware.com

[rfunes]

http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20051001/index.html

We are not the only people to complain about Starforce... professional game reviewers are doing it too.

Also a poll: If you see another cool game that uses this type of copy-protection (like StarForce), are you going to buy it?

Me: no.

[CCIP]

It depends on the game. If it's another shoot-em-up, probably not. Unfortuntaly, I will bend if it's something along the lines of SHIII (a sim, in other words).

Starforce hasn't caused me any problems whatsoever thus far with SHIII, but I'm overwhelmingly against it. I hope companies revise their strategy; and I hope articles like that help in convincing them that this is harming sales.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Starforce hasn't caused me any problems whatsoever thus far with SHIII, but I'm overwhelmingly against it. I hope companies revise their strategy; and I hope articles like that help in convincing them that this is harming sales.

I haven't had any problems with it either, but totally agree with CCIP. I can only imagine the frustration it has caused for some.

... and how many are out there who "just gave up" on SHIII because of this issue. Money is tight for many and eating $40.00 U.S. is an unacceptable waste.

To state the blindingly obvious... you shouldn't have to work so hard to get a product to work that YOU PAID FOR!!! :nope:

[Pinetree]

... and how many are out there who "just gave up" on SHIII because of this issue. Money is tight for many and eating $40.00 U.S. is an unacceptable waste.

I'm one,I had to uninstall it as starforce was playing merry hell with my dvd drive.Shame really, as I really like SH3. :(

[OneTinSoldier]

Piracy needs to be stopped, it's just a question of how. Even though Straforce has not caused a problem for me(i downloaded the latest update for it and installed it) I really don't like the idea of installing an 'extra' low-level driver on my system for anti-piracy purposes. But I do not have an answer as to what kind of anti-piracy system is the best.

I have numerous payware addons for MS Flight Simulator, and a number of them require an internet connetion for activation. But I worry about what might happen if I want to use it a few years from now if the company has gone out of business. But I knowingly took my chances when I purchased them anyway. More or less the same with SHIII. It says on the box that it contains technology to prevent piracy that may conflict with some CD-RW DVD-RW drives. I do wish it had said it actually installs a low-level driver into your OS though.

I will also say that, and I suppose it is unfortunate, but I know for a fact that Starforce can be cracked and subverted just like other anti-piracy schemes.

This may be a moot point if the powers that be have their way and get DRM(Digital Rights Management) integrated into the hardware. Maybe DRM is a good way to prevent piracy, but personally it scares me even more with all the possible problems that it may cause. But due to dishonest people it would seem that we need anti-piracy protection schemes or else pirates will just download whatever software they want for free which leaves developers cheated and then they stop developing the kind of killer apps/games that we all want.

So I think we need something, but I do not have the answer as to just what is the ultimate no hassle anti-piracy protection scheme. It seems to me that we live in complicated times.


Regards,

OneTinSoldier


P.S. If are wondering about DRM the Electronic Frontier Foundation has more info on it...

http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/

[stratege]

I have "definitely" solves any protection problems.

I bought a second hdd, bought a copy of acronis true image, made a clone backup of a minimaliste system, and now, every times i want to use my PC for gaming, i just reclone my machine.

Sound heavy, but this is fine for me. ( yes, of course, it cost me a extra 200 Euro, but my main system is safe from those "starforce and friends" problems )

[jumpy]

To my knowlege I only have 2 games that run Starfart as copy protection: Silent Hunter3 & Sniper Elite (pc) and whilst I have not had any problems with my dvd burner or anything else related to Starforce 'issues' I am not too keen of the intrusive nature (as I understand it) of such a program and its ability to change parts of your system and the way it opereates. Given that most people 'in the know' consider programs which unknowingly change your system function/settings as malicious spyware etc, perhaps (and by that I'm not merely 'suggesting') games manufacturers/publishers ought to take a long look at how they wish to do business in the future if they want to avoid loosing their trade, due to pissing people off with these pre-emptory 'strikes' against the possibility that a few ppl might try to copy their product. Counter productive in the long term.
I noticed that the box cover of Sniper Elite does not tell you that Starforce is included- neither does the games 'readme' file. If I had had some of the trouble others have shown, I would have been greatful to know this was on the disk- thereby avoiding the useless purchase of a game which is unplayable or damages my system for the sake of securing a few more beertokens for the multi-billion dollar games industry.
I dare say a cigarette packet style 'warning' would not go down too well for sales figures:
WARNING! THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS STARFORCE COPY-PROTECTION SOFTWARE WHICH CAN DAMAGE YOUR HARDWARE AND CAUSE SYSTEM INSTABILITY.
or how about:
STARFORCE CAUSES CTD, DON'T MAKE OTHERS EXPERIENCE YOUR FRUSTRATION.

[Der Teddy Bar]

I will never buy any game with Starforce or any simular product.

<Moderator edit: Part of message removed. Do not mention such things. - Gizzmoe> I had a spare PC I set up a little while ago for studying that I did put SHIII onto to putter around on as far as the editor went, but that gets rebuilt some times once a week and has no other use other than for me to test things on.

Starforce does not stop piracy, it barely slows it down for the big business pirates. It only screws up 'my' system and stops me from making a backup.

In all seriousness, Starforce and the likewise anti piracy software schemes will force me to move on from gaming as a pass time. After all, I am certain that we have not seen better and continuous support for Starforce protected games? Why not I ask, after all, are they not making 'billions' of extra dollars from these measures...

[tycho102]

As I understand it, people that use a burner as their "reader", it causes all kinds of problems. If you have a dvd-reader in your system, then it is less likely to cause problems.

[Syxx_Killer]

As I understand it, people that use a burner as their "reader", it causes all kinds of problems. If you have a dvd-reader in your system, then it is less likely to cause problems.

I have a dual-layer DVD burner. Never had an issue with Starforce.

[SmokinTep]

I've not had a problem with it.

[Mowgli]

If you want to read some real horror stories and Starforces arrogant atitude towards people who have the temerity to complain about their hardware not working, why not visit Starforce website http://star-force.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=f355e661a8901bf1d503891f50560aa1

They remind of this Government - Don't like what we are doing? Tough.

Do a search on google with "Starforce Problems Silent Hunter" and see how many complaints there are.

You can also download from there if you search long enough a tool to remove their malware from your equipment.

Be advised that Google can be used for searches othaer than Starforce Problems. :-j

[Soulcommander]

I can't agree more. SDtarforce locks all the threads too.


Why is that because they know that people don't like them ...They say it on the forum themselves. If they had legitimate copy protection that did not harm then no one would be complaining!!!

UBISOFT get a hold of your superiors and end this relatiosnship with Starforce or loose your customers! Thats plain and simple.
Law suites are now starting up too.

[Sheppard]

The only reason I bought SH3, even though it had Starforce with it,
was because it was a submarine simulator, with a dynamic campaign.

If it had been anything other than that, Starforce would have killed
the sale for me.

[Skubber]

The only reason I bought SH3, even though it had Starforce with it,
was because it was a submarine simulator, with a dynamic campaign.

If it had been anything other than that, Starforce would have killed
the sale for me.

Ditto for me. I had to think long and hard before I bought the game – and even then SF came close to killing the sale.
Anything other than a subsim, and I would have passed.

[kiwi_2005]

I just brought "Spellforce The Order of Dawn" a RPG game cos at times i like playing games where im Conan the Barbarian with big axe and sword and two babes to give me pleasure, ok im dreaming yup but this game comes with starforce and funny thing i got none of the problems. I think from my answer in a other thread works, Turn of System Restore before you play a game with SF protection.

[oRGy]

I'm a game developer and also totally against this sort of "we must defeat piracy" nonsense.

First of all, as no anti-piracy system will ever remain uncracked, and it only causes hassle for legitimate customers. Meanwhile it rackets up development costs licensing and integrating these systems.

A much better system is to accentuate the social aspect and positive nature of supporting artists. That your game is marketed properly and distributed widely is far more important for your bottom line than whether or not you have some baroque anti-piracy system.

[Paajtor]

Good post.:up:

[sasquatch]

I play my games through a dvd burner and have never had any problems. However, I don't like the fact that they don't explicity tell you what they are installing to your pc. Straforce barely slows down "priates" and makes life very difficult for the average consummer.

[donw]

I wasn't even planning to bit** about this subject here....as it's been covered many times over. But maybe someone new can learn something.

My hardrive crashed last Saturday...no choice but a full format, losing everything. Currently, SH3 is my only interest, so there we go....hours and hours of downloads. Even though GWX 2.0 is due out soon, I still wanted the current 1.3 so got that too.

This time, anticipating that this could happen again, after getting all the downloads, attempted to burn them to a CD or DVD. And image that, no matter what I tried, nothing would burn!. (I had already installed and ran Sh3) The next day, it dawned on me...STARFARCE!

Got the so called removal tool, which didn't work...wound up deleting all SF entries in the registry, and Bingo...burning ability had returned...and now have all personal Mods, updates, patces, etc etc on a DVD.

I suspect that as soon as I run the game again, SF will again be installed, even though I run the No-CD "mod".

But just wanted to pass the word...once again...SF can/will disable the abilty to burn!

[Rotary Crewman]

I'm a game developer and also totally against this sort of "we must defeat piracy" nonsense.

First of all, as no anti-piracy system will ever remain uncracked, and it only causes hassle for legitimate customers. Meanwhile it rackets up development costs licensing and integrating these systems.

A much better system is to accentuate the social aspect and positive nature of supporting artists. That your game is marketed properly and distributed widely is far more important for your bottom line than whether or not you have some baroque anti-piracy system.

Best post on this topic.

[kiwi_2005]

SF is ****e. :nope:

After i installed the SF update for Vista, before running SH3 for the first time, i restart and notice the red light doesn't stop running. Nor can i run SH3, just crashes to desktop each time, also dvd drive now cannot read dvds 100% at times i get "please insert dvd" Yet it is inserted!!!

So got no choice but to uninstall SF - guess what the red light stopped running after deletion, dvd drive recognises dvds.

SF is total crap.

[Mush Martin]

I'm a game developer and also totally against this sort of "we must defeat piracy" nonsense.

First of all, as no anti-piracy system will ever remain uncracked, and it only causes hassle for legitimate customers. Meanwhile it rackets up development costs licensing and integrating these systems.

A much better system is to accentuate the social aspect and positive nature of supporting artists. That your game is marketed properly and distributed widely is far more important for your bottom line than whether or not you have some baroque anti-piracy system.

That was Brilliant :yep:

[joea]

AGAIN? :damn:

[danlisa]

AGAIN? :damn:

Old issue with workarounds.

Why bump it after 2 years.:down::down:

[Dowly]

AGAIN? :damn:
Old issue with workarounds.

Why bump it after 2 years.:down::down:

Dang, couldnt find the resurrection pic I usually use.. so here:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/6869.jpg

[Koondawg]

Dowley you couldn't find the pic of the Resurector?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/koondawg/MISC%20BS/DEFIB.jpg