Liberty ship Red???

[corvette k225]

Why do some of the Liberty ships in SHIII have red hulls not all but maybe
one out of 7 ships have red hulls.

[Stymnus]

Are you using any mods? Like the most recent Sub Commander?

[corvette k225]

NO!!!



Thanks for the input

[Duncan Idaho]

I've only ever seen one Liberty, and as I recall it was rusty red colored. I have some skins installed, but nothing for that ship that I know of.

[Jace11]

The third alternate skin is red in SH3 without any mods.

You can get a liberty skin pack from terrapins site. I have a blue/gray liberty skin I did to get rid of this red one.

[jasonb885]

The third alternate skin is red in SH3 without any mods.

You can get a liberty skin pack from terrapins site. I have a blue/gray liberty skin I did to get rid of this red one.

I thought the automatic skin rotatations failed in game?

[Carcassonne]

The third alternate skin is red in SH3 without any mods.

You can get a liberty skin pack from terrapins site. I have a blue/gray liberty skin I did to get rid of this red one.

No skin mods added to my game and I occassionally have seen the red skin on Liberty ships. In fact I saw a convoy with 4 liberties in it, "one of these ships isn't the same....". Sorry about that, I have 3 young kids and I reverted back to Sesame Street....Big Bird :rock:

[Jace11]

Ah, well alternate skins work fine in my game. I thought the are used when Liberty#2 Liberty#3 is called etc.

I did think for a while that was one of the drawbacks of lots of single ship entries in a convoy, eg.

libertyx1
libertyx1
libertyx1

means it may not call the extra skins in a convoy

whereas

libertyx3 will do,

but I am unsure of this theory, however. The SCR doesnt demand this, but the ships are numbered differently.

jason, next time you do one of your AAR's for IC, just check that more than one colour of ship is present for each class. I'm pretty sure it is ok, but worth checking.

[sergbuto]

I did think for a while that was one of the drawbacks of lots of single ship entries in a convoy, eg.

libertyx1
libertyx1
libertyx1

means it may not call the extra skins in a convoy

whereas

libertyx3 will do,

but I am unsure of this theory, however.

That is my understanding how it works in the SCR layer (at least that's how it for sure works in single missions and the campaign SCR layer uses the same naming routine as in missions) while in the RND layer skins are picked at random.

[Type941]

You'd be surprised, but there was a certain shade of pink, that was used by the British navy in early war. Apparently some commander was watching a line of ships when one suddenly dissapeared from view much much quicker than others. It was some passenger liner painted in it's civil colors, which were lavander type. So he devised this paint scheme, believing in its total effectiveness, that had full flotilla in pink/maroon color (Mountbatten Pink - http://www.steelnavy.com/images/chips/RNchip02.jpg). Anyway, HMS Kenya was doing an operation in Norway and german battery fire from land couldn't have success because their color markers were painted also in pink - thus the gunners couldn't figure out if they scored hits and where. it's one of those camouflage stories, don't know if it's true, but a pink ship was quite a real thing.

And the reason for pink/maroon color is because of the early morning/evening colors of sky - most crucial and denagerous time, when the visibility is bad, but good enough for the u-boat. ;)

[jasonb885]

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That is my understanding how it works in the SCR layer (at least that's how it for sure works in single missions and the campaign SCR layer uses the same naming routine as in missions) while in the RND layer skins are picked at random.

Then why the need of a batch file to rotate the merchant ship variety pack, if the game already handles this?

I am very confused.

[sergbuto]

Then why the need of a batch file to rotate the merchant ship variety pack, if the game already handles this?

I am very confused.

Actually, I may be wrong about the RND layer because I did tests quite some time ago and may not remember the results correctly.

[Jace11]

jason is in the best position to test. His RND layer contains convoys with only single entries per class.

If all the ships of a certain class appear as the same colour, then it may a problem hithertoo unnoticed.

The thing is, any C2 I find as a single ship contact is usually white skin. If it was random in the RND, you'd see the other colours too.

When I tested my liberty skin, I used a single mission and just added 6 liberties. 2 white, 2 grey 2 red spawned.

[iambecomelife]

There definitely is a red liberty ship; it annoyed me too. You can download the late war edition of the Merchant Variety Pack to get liberty ships with more plausible paint schemes. I've actually updated the liberty ship since the late war edition was released but I haven't released it yet.

[Nopileo]

I think I've seen 1 Liberty freighter in about 100 patrols. Where do you go to find so many that you can say '1 out of 7'?

[Jace11]

Also, is it me, or does the superstructure look too far aft in game. The superstructure of the victory looks more like a Liberty.

http://www.steelnavy.com/images/Jordan/liberty%20Jordan%2001.jpg

If you saw that silhouette in game would you think victory or liberty?

[Der Schatten]

Slightly OT, but I was looking at info about the Liberty ships and for some reason I pictured them much smaller than this....also I never realized how much STUFF they could carry!...........("The Liberty was 441 feet long and 56 feet wide. Her three-cylinder, reciprocating steam engine, fed by two oil-burning boilers produced 2,500 hp and a speed of 11 knots. Her 5 holds could carry over 9,000 tons of cargo, plus airplanes, tanks, and locomotives lashed to its deck. A Liberty could carry 2,840 jeeps, 440 tanks, or 230 million rounds of rifle ammunition.")......and what, they made some 2000 of them?
I know as a kid, being told by family, that during WW2 they built LST's here in Pittsburgh, then they would ship them down the Ohio river to the Mississipi, then out onto the ocean....LST #1 was made here, and took part in the Italian landings....made it through the war. I was amazed to find out that a few made then are still functioning for some third world countries.........talk about a bad retirement plan! :o

[Nopileo]

I was amazed to find out that a few made then are still functioning for some third world countries.........talk about a bad retirement plan! :o

:rotfl:

[Jace11]

440 tanks??? Wow! That's a lot. Er, I had no idea they could carry so much.

[Nopileo]

Yeah the 6-8 tanks on the deck of freighters in SH3 don't exactly give you the impression it could carry hundreds more. Still, most car transports nowadays aren't much bigger, and they carry hundreds of cars...

[Der Schatten]

...Yep, even if they were "little" shermans, thats still alot of tanks....I would think they didnt carry all of one thing......one sinking could screw up the entire war effort in Europe....."Sorry General Patton, we lost ONE ship......but can we interest you in 2000 jeeps?". :-?

[Der Schatten]

Just a postscript:http: //www.cascobay.com/history/libship/libship.htm At the bottom of this page is a neat little interactive picture of a liberty ship with cut away views.

[corvette k225]

I have been spending all my time with SHIII working with the Mission
Editor, making my owen Missions. I have convoys with mostly Liberty ships running the north sea to Russia, and about 1 out of
7 to 10 libertys ships have a red hull. The date is 1941-12-30. Time at
0900

did you evey make a mission with a FW-200 flying aroud 2500 feet above
a convoy very cool you can see AA guns going off and sometime a FW200
will go down! If looks great when you are about 4.5km from the convoy.

[Jace11]

Heres a replacement for the red skin.

Just a simple hue change to give a grey skin. I actually use it as my T01 Liberty skin, with the pale grey as 2 and the blue/brown skin as 3, but this will replace the red. Edited one of the other skins to make it, so it isnt drastically different in any way other than colour.

http://s62.yousendit.com/d.php?id=3473MYZUHEQSO13PIORZ0FWRKO

[iambecomelife]

http://rapidshare.de/files/3328448/MVPMLWv1.1.7z.html

Another option. This will change all the default merchant skins. If you just want the liberty ship skins, look for the tga files named L1, L2, etc, name them to NLL_T01, etc. Sorry for the self promotion.

[Bort]

I'm going to see the Liberty Ship and the Pompenito in San Francisco today! :yep: I'm on vacation just outside of Oakland and I've already seen the Hornet and the S.S. Red Oak, carrier and victory ship. But today it's down to pier 45 to adventure into the world of the Navy. :up: :arrgh!: