Attempted Assassination of former President Trump

[Rockstar]

Haters gonna hate


Possible gunshots at former President Trump's rally in Butler, PA. Secret Service escort Trump off the stage.

[mapuc]

Haters gonna hate


Possible gunshots at former President Trump's rally in Butler, PA. Secret Service escort Trump off the stage.

It's breaking news here and they say Trump have been wounded.

Markus

[Rockstar]

It's breaking news here and they say Trump have been wounded.

Markus

I saw the video, I only saw him touch is ear like he was swatting a bug or something. Possible he was injured when secret service basically dog piled on him too.

[Dargo]

It's breaking news here and they say Trump have been wounded.

MarkusFootage of the incident shows blood on Trump's face. According to Reuters news agency, the sound of "multiple gunshots" rang out on the grounds where the election rally was underway. As Trump was led away, he raised his fist in the air toward the audience in attendance.

[Rockstar]

Prolly some jackasse brainwashed by 8 years of bull**** headlines.



Reports are multiple people have been shot

https://i.ibb.co/16vvwJg/IMG-0165.jpg

[Dargo]

A spokesman for the Secret Service, Anthony Guglielmi, said in a statement that Trump “is safe” after “an incident occurred” at his rally in Pennsylvania. Steven Cheung, a Trump spokesman, said former President Donald J. Trump is “fine and is being checked out at a local medical facility.” He added that Trump “thanks law enforcement and first responders for their quick action during this heinous act.”

[Rockstar]

Some reports say shooter has been shot and killed. Guess he won’t get to try out the new Baldwin defense.

[August]

I said that the Democrats would do anything to stay in power including trying to assassinate Trump and it looks like I was right.

[vienna]

Got any facts to back up that claim of yours or is just so much hot air...?...


BTW, it would seem more likely a Trump follower would have a gun than a DEM, statistically speaking...



<O>

[mapuc]

Blood on his right ear indicate for me that the perpetrator was aiming at Trumps head, but somehow missed-Thankfully.

Do you think this will alter his rallies in the future ?

Markus

[mapuc]

I said that the Democrats would do anything to stay in power including trying to assassinate Trump and it looks like I was right.

Hard words I must say-For me it's nothing more than a person who dislike Trump very much.

Maybe he was a Dem supporter, who knows.

Secondly I don't think it is the Democrats who's behind it ? Why !?
If Trump would get wounded more than he was today-His rating would go skyrocket up. He would get tens of thousands sympathy votes.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Butler County District Attorney's Office is officially confirming one rally attendee is dead, as is the would be assassin.

[Rockstar]

I said that the Democrats would do anything to stay in power including trying to assassinate Trump and it looks like I was right.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/30/22/40F2A50500000578-0-image-a-122_1496178428654.jpg

[August]

Hard words I must say-For me it's nothing than a person who dislike Trump very much.

Maybe he was a Dem supporter, who knows.

Secondly I don't think it is the Democrats who's behind it ? Why !?
If Trump would get wounded more than he was today-His rating would go skyrocket up. He would get tens of thousands sympathy votes.

Markus

And just how high would his ratings be if the assassins aim had been as good as that of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Biden just the other day threatened to put "Trump in a bullseye". Now maybe Joe didn't send orders to Seal Team Six but his rhetoric and that of his fellow Democrats have been advocating for this very thing to happen.

[mapuc]

Butler County District Attorney's Office is officially confirming one rally attendee is dead, as is the would be assassin.

Following was written in a Danish article

"The suspected perpetrator and a bystander have been reported dead. Another bystander is also reportedly in critical condition."

Markus

[Rockstar]

I said that the Democrats would do anything to stay in power including trying to assassinate Trump and it looks like I was right.

Ya, I remember when all the usual suspects thought it was a cool idea too.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/30/22/40F2A50500000578-0-image-a-122_1496178428654.jpg

Moving on towards today

https://i.ibb.co/R2VLGbB/IMG-0166.jpg

[mapuc]

And just how high would his ratings be if the assassins aim had been as good as that of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Biden just the other day threatened to put "Trump in a bullseye". Now maybe Joe didn't send orders to Seal Team Six but his rhetoric and that of his fellow Democrats have been advocating for this very thing to happen.

Maybe some sicko have been hearing and reading these word spoken by Biden and his fellow Democrats and felt obligated to fulfil the demand to eliminate Trump

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Crap that is really bad.

[Shadowblade]

that was close hit

it seem like someone doesnt believe that Biden will win

[Rockstar]

The Secret Service confirms:

- 1 innocent bystander killed
- 2 innocent bystanders critically injured

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

While I personally don't like Trump trying to assassinate him or anyone else in politics is the cowards way. As for the would be assassin I'm glad they were taken out be the Secret Service before either the former president or any of the people in the crowd where killed. It has been confirmed that the shooter is dead, one member of the audience was killed and two more where taken to the hospital in critical condition. As for who the would be assassin was and what their motives where it is far better to have the facts then to speculate.

[em2nought]

I said that the Democrats would do anything to stay in power including trying to assassinate Trump and it looks like I was right.

I said "they" were capable of anything, and I was afraid to see what "they" came up with. :hmmm:

[August]

I said "they" were capable of anything, and I was afraid to see what "they" came up with. :hmmm:


I expect there will be a lot of similarities between this incident and the Congressional softball game shooter. A leftist nut who was incited to violence by the Democrats constant over the top rhetoric.

[Aktungbby]

...a republican congressman, Michael Collins (Georgia), apparently inferred that "Biden gave the order"!?? :hmmm: Well, thanks to 'the Donald's recent Supreme Court decisions, :Kaleun_Wink:...'the President has immunity!' :yeah:

[Rockstar]

Joe Biden on 7.8.2024: "We’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye."


Trump recently had been requesting for an expanded Secret Service security team but was denied by Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas.

[Armistead]

Where is Hillary Clinton

[Ostfriese]

...a republican congressman, Michael Collins (Georgia), apparently inferred that "Biden gave the order"!?? :hmmm: Well, thanks to 'the Donald's recent Supreme Court decisions, :Kaleun_Wink:...'the President has immunity!' :yeah:


Turns out the shooter was a 20-year-old registered Republican.

[Exocet25fr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tf-kOCXO7U

[Dowly]

What a **** show from the secret service.

[Skybird]

So ein Pech.

Honestly, one can only wonder why such an incident did no already take place earlier.

Trump now will become even more ruthless and dangerous.

[em2nought]

What a **** show from the secret service.

More likely it almost worked out exactly like "those calling the shots" wanted it to until God interfered at the very last second making President Trump turn his head. :hmmm: Turn your head to the right and lay your finger across your ear and then keep your finger there and turn your head back forward again and look where your finger ends up.

[Platapus]

I don't care what your political beliefs are, this is completely unacceptable!


Kudos to the USSS, they have to do their job right every time, when scum like Thomas Crooks just have to be lucky once. I am grateful for our USSS personnel.


I wished this dirtbag could have been taken alive so we can learn the whys and hows, and then try this POS in court.

[Skybird]

"the whys"...? I am surprised to hear that question from somebody living in your country. I would say the "why" is obvious after the past years. And if it would not have been this shooter, than sooner or later somebody else.

Its was just a question of time until violence breaks out. And it will not stay there. Psychology.

In German media some headline san domments voice their hope that America now comes back to its senses. I am absolutely certain that right this will not happen. It will get worse.

You reap what you sow. Action and reaction. Pendulums swinging. Karma.

[Rockstar]

FBI identifies Trump rally shooter as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/us/trump-shooting-thomas-matthew-crooks-intl-hnk/index.html


CNN
—
Authorities have identified the gunman involved in the attack against former US President Donald Trump on Saturday as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, who was killed by Secret Service agents at the scene after the shooting.

The FBI named Crooks in a statement early Sunday morning, identifying him as a resident of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania – about 35 miles south of Butler, where Trump was holding his rally.

Crooks fired on Trump while perched on a nearby building rooftop outside the rally’s security perimeter, before being killed by the Secret Service, according to law enforcement officials.

Witnesses at the rally described a “bloody” and chaotic scene, with people trying to administer first aid to those hit by the gunfire and struggling with the dense crowd.

The shooting left one rally attendee dead and two others in critical condition, authorities said. Trump was injured, writing on social media that he’d been hit by a bullet in the upper part of his ear – though his campaign said he was otherwise fine. Trump flew back to Newark, New Jersey, late Saturday night.

Now attention turns to the active and ongoing investigation, which involves multiple federal and state bodies. The FBI has urged members of the public to submit any information they have through a tip line or the agency website, including photos or videos of the shooting.

Crooks graduated from Bethel Park High School in 2022, according to a local media report and a video of the school’s commencement.

He was registered to vote as a Republican, according to a listing in Pennsylvania’s voter database that matched his name, age, and a Bethel Park address that law enforcement was searching Saturday night and is linked to Crooks in public records.

This year’s presidential election would have been the first he was old enough to vote in.

Federal Election Commission records show that a donor listed as Thomas Crooks with the same address gave $15 to a Democratic-aligned political action committee called the Progressive Turnout Project in January 2021.

When reached by CNN late Saturday night, Crooks’ father, Matthew Crooks, said he was trying to figure out “what the hell is going on” but would “wait until I talk to law enforcement” before speaking about his son.

After being killed at the scene, Crooks didn’t have any identification on his body, so agents had to “run his DNA and get biometric confirmation,” Kevin Rojek, the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Pittsburgh field office, said at a press conference Saturday night before the gunman was named.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

[Shadowblade]

photo of the year:

https://i.ibb.co/RhSYBKS/Trump-survivor.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Can't honestly say I'm surprised.

Politics in the US have long been divisive yet I feel unable to condone such action.

I'd like to think one positive outcome would be to unite the American people but fear it will have the exact opposite effect.

[Jimbuna]

Can't honestly say I'm surprised.

Politics in the US have long been divisive yet I feel unable to condone such action.

I'd like to think one positive outcome would be to unite the American people but fear it will have the exact opposite effect.

[Skybird]

Can't honestly say I'm surprised.

Politics in the US have long been divisive yet I feel unable to condone such action.

I'd like to think one positive outcome would be to unite the American people but fear it will have the exact opposite effect.
Once again we totally agree.

[Onkel Neal]

That was close.

[MaDef]

130 yd shot,... someone was willfully negligent to allow a wanna-be assassin that close to any high profile political rally.

[Onkel Neal]

Let the theories begin...:k_confused:

[Jimbuna]

Thomas Matthew Crooks: What we know about the Trump shooting suspect

The FBI has named the man who shot at Donald Trump during a campaign rally as Thomas Matthew Crooks.

Crooks is alleged to have opened fire while the former US president was addressing a crowd in Butler, Pennsylvania, leaving one audience member dead and two others badly hurt.

The 20-year-old kitchen worker was shot dead at the scene by a Secret Service sniper, officials said.

In a statement, the FBI said Crooks was the “subject involved” in the assassination attempt on the former president and that an active investigation was under way.

Thomas Crooks had not been carrying ID, so investigators used DNA to identify him, the FBI said.

He was from Bethel Park in Pennsylvania, about 70km (43 miles) from the site of the attempted assassination, and graduated in 2022 from Bethel Park High School with a $500 prize for maths and science, according to a local newspaper.

Crooks worked in a local nursing home kitchen just a short drive away from his home, the BBC understands.

State voter records show that he was a registered Republican, according to US media.

He is also reported to have donated $15 to liberal campaign group ActBlue in 2021.

According to US media reports, Crooks was wearing a T-shirt from Demolition Ranch, a YouTube channel known for its guns and demolition content. The channel has millions of subscribers featuring videos on different guns and explosive devices.

Law enforcement officials believe the weapon used to shoot at Donald Trump was purchased by Crook's father, the Associated Press news agency reports.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, two officers told AP that Crooks' father bought a weapon at least six months ago.

Having established Crooks's identity, police and agencies are investigating his motive.

"We do not currently have an identified motive," said Kevin Rojek, FBI Pittsburgh special agent in charge, at a briefing on Saturday night.

The inquiry into what took place could last for months and investigators would work "tirelessly" to identify what Crooks' motive was, Mr Rojek said.

Speaking to CNN, Crooks’ father, Matthew Crooks, said he was trying to figure out “what the hell is going on” but would “wait until I talk to law enforcement” before speaking about his son.

Police sealed off the road to the house where Crooks lived with his parents, CBS News reports.

A neighbour told CBS that officers evacuated her in the middle of the night with no warning.

Bethel Park Police said there was a bomb investigation surrounding Crooks's home.

Access to the area remains tightly controlled with police vehicles blocking the roads. Only residents have been allowed in or out.

One person was killed and two others were injured in the shooting.

All three victims are adult men and were audience members, CBS News reports. Their names have not been released.

A GoFundMe page, organised by the Trump campaign's national finance director Meredith O'Rourke, was set up in the hours after the attack with donations going to the families of the injured.

It has so far raised more than $340,000 (£267,000).

In a post to his Truth Social platform, Trump said he was "shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear" and said he felt the bullet "ripping through the skin".

Blood was visible on Trump's ear and face as protection officers rushed him away.

Trump is "doing well" and is grateful to law enforcement officers, according to a statement published on the Republican National Committee (RNC) website.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gw58wv4e9o

[Skybird]

By missing, the shooter has decided the elections for Trump. Congrats.

[mapuc]

Read somewhere that the perpetrator was seen some minutes before he started to shoot and the spectators said this to the Secret Service.

I wasn't there so I can't say whether this being true or not-That he was visible a few minutes before the shooting started

If this is true in which the spectators made the Secret Service aware of this guy on the roof-Then the important question is-Why didn't they react ?

Markus

[Dargo]

Let the theories begin...:k_confused:Yeah now we stuck with mind-boggling brainfart fairy tales for years

[Dargo]

Read somewhere that the perpetrator was seen some minutes before he started to shoot and the spectators said this to the Secret Service.

I wasn't there so I can't say whether this being true or not-That he was visible a few minutes before the shooting started

If this is true in which the spectators made the Secret Service aware of this guy on the roof-Then the important question is-Why didn't they react ?

MarkusYou have always this kinda accusations with these kinda events Diana, Princess of Wales, Pim Fortuyn (Dutch politician) all kind of hearsay accusations that the system were behind their death. After years of investigation it proved that it did not happen same with what yesterday happened, mostly a boy with disturbing thinking acts because the disinfo has become so mind-boggling those young minds can not cope and go full brainfart.

[Rockstar]

The innocent bystander killed by the assassin has been identified as the former fire chief for Buffalo Township, Corey Comperatore.

The last thing he did, was to throw his wife and daughter to the ground.

[August]

Read somewhere that the perpetrator was seen some minutes before he started to shoot and the spectators said this to the Secret Service.

I wasn't there so I can't say whether this being true or not-That he was visible a few minutes before the shooting started

If this is true in which the spectators made the Secret Service aware of this guy on the roof-Then the important question is-Why didn't they react ?

Markus

They did react.

As the assassin was getting into position he was spotted by some people in the crowd who began yelling and pointing, which drew the attention of the sniper team to him. They were almost ready to shoot when the assassin opened fire and they killed him just a couple of seconds later.

We're talking somewhere about 10 seconds from the first alerts to killing the assassin. That's not a lot of time to acquire a target that's 200 yards away, reposition, aim and take a shot.

[mapuc]

Thank you August and Dargo.

It sad that there was victims among the spectators and thankfully Trump only got a flesh wound.

Markus

[Dowly]

Map from BBC showing where the shooter was. None of the roofs around the shooter were secured.
https://i.imgur.com/SGHPOKd.jpeg

[mapuc]

Don't like to speculate or turn things into conspiracy.

I have to ask though-Why ?? Why wasn't all the roof secured

Markus

[Rockstar]

Don't like to speculate or turn things into conspiracy.

I have to ask though-Why ?? Why wasn't all the roof secured

Markus

Not all candidates get secret service protection and the ones that do don’t get full service protection like sitting president does.

https://www.secretservice.gov/protection/leaders/campaign-2024

Anyway an investigation is underway I’d suggest waiting for that to finish.

[mapuc]

They did react.

As the assassin was getting into position he was spotted by some people in the crowd who began yelling and pointing, which drew the attention of the sniper team to him. They were almost ready to shoot when the assassin opened fire and they killed him just a couple of seconds later.

We're talking somewhere about 10 seconds from the first alerts to killing the assassin. That's not a lot of time to acquire a target that's 200 yards away, reposition, aim and take a shot.

Quote your comment after seeing a 2 minute interview with an eyewitness on Danish tv.

We were several who was pointing towards the shooter and tried to get the police aware of the shooter, but the police was just running around saying what what.I looked at the stage and saw Trump keep on speaking, why hasn't he been removed from the scene ? For 3 minutes we tried to make the police aware of the shooter when 5 shots was heard.
(Taken from memory.)

Markus

[Dargo]

Don't like to speculate or turn things into conspiracy.

I have to ask though-Why ?? Why wasn't all the roof secured

MarkusTrump got the same security as any candidate, better wait on the investigation, else we create the conspiracy.

[mapuc]

Not all candidates get secret service protection and the ones that do don’t get full service protection like sitting president does.

https://www.secretservice.gov/protection/leaders/campaign-2024

Anyway an investigation is underway I’d suggest waiting for that to finish.

You're right we should wait.

I'm pretty sure though that Trump will get full protection hereafter

Markus

[Rockstar]

You're right we should wait.

I'm pretty sure though that Trump will get full protection hereafter

Markus


There were quite a few snipers, SWAT, and from what I saw at least 4 or 5 secret service agents around him. I don’t think the number of agents is the biggest concern. Everyone in the security detail are dedicated and take their job seriously. Could be a few issues with the set up of the security perimeter though, then again given the circumstances maybe that was all they could do.. But like I said there’s an investigation going on to find out what worked and what didn’t.

Actually there will be two investigations happening one will be carried out by professionals that you and I will never hear the results of. The other will be a highly publicized political dog and pony show in congress.

[Platapus]

Honestly, I fear that we may never become united. :nope:

[MaDef]

Let the theories begin...:k_confused:

No "conspiracy theory" implied. My assessment was based on the terrain at the rally. In that terrain an anti sniper perimeter should have been set for any structures out to about 300-400 yards of the stage. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Trump rollin’ with the G.

https://youtu.be/UbBgxTp2e48

The argument that Trump posed a Hitler-level threat to American democracy can be traced back to the first outbreak of Trump Derangement Syndrome among left-leaning journalists in 2016. What made the argument so malignant was that it justified using all means possible to disrupt Trump’s presidency and to prevent his re-election. We should not be surprised, then, at what happened yesterday. It was the inevitable result of years of vitriolic, sustained demonization. - Ayaan Hirsi Ali

[mapuc]

Trump rollin’ with the G.

https://youtu.be/UbBgxTp2e48

The argument that Trump posed a Hitler-level threat to American democracy can be traced back to the first outbreak of Trump Derangement Syndrome among left-leaning journalists in 2016. What made the argument so malignant was that it justified using all means possible to disrupt Trump’s presidency and to prevent his re-election. We should not be surprised, then, at what happened yesterday. It was the inevitable result of years of vitriolic, sustained demonization. - Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Tell me about it-Have during the last week seen friends mention Trump as the fuhrer. Those are the friends who can't stand his guts.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Stop calling that nutbag a "Sniper". He was just a crazy "Shooter".
Wrong Gun/ammo for the job. Wrong shooting placement. Wrong to try a head shot.
I could have made a shot at that distance with several of my AirGuns!

An M24 would have been a better platform. And a body shot with the proper round?
Even a bullet proof vest could have been no problem.

[August]

Turns out the shooter was a 20-year-old registered Republican.


He sure doesn't sound like one but it is a common practice for people to vote in the other parties primary for the weakest candidate.

[August]

Stop calling that nutbag a "Sniper". He was just a crazy "Shooter".
Wrong Gun/ammo for the job. Wrong shooting placement. Wrong to try a head shot.
I could have made a shot at that distance with several of my AirGuns!

An M24 would have been a better platform. And a body shot with the proper round?
Even a bullet proof vest could have been no problem.


I kind of agree with you but could you still have made that shot with people pointing and yelling at you, knowing that the Secret Service was very likely drawing a bead on you at that very moment?

140 meters is well within the effective range of a 5.56. Thing is he didn't get the time to prepare and he rushed his shots and that is likely why he missed.

[mapuc]

I found the interview on X

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1812273630702952543

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

I kind of agree with you but could you still have made that shot with people pointing and yelling at you, knowing that the Secret Service was very likely drawing a bead on you at that very moment?

140 meters is well within the effective range of a 5.56. Thing is he didn't get the time to prepare and he rushed his shots and that is likely why he missed.

Thus why I said He was NOT a Sniper but a shooter.

A Sniper would have NOT taken that position.
Nor used that weapon. And with all the wind indicators in that area?
He'd not have missed that shot and would have been happy with a center mass hit!

Saying that I'm starting a fund for Alejandro Mayorkas so he can buy some KY-Jelly.
He's gonna need it when he gets called into answer why he turned down extra security for Trumph.
I bet he's gonna need it for the arse reaming he's gonna get!
:har:

[ET2SN]

This is what happens when you radicalize your base. :yep:

Just walk into a WalMart and buy a cannon, and you, too, can become a strong man. :O:

Think about it, the new neo-Nazis are lot more goofy than their O.G. grandfathers who were "only following orders".

The whole "grazed" theory doesn't sit right. Getting grazed leaves a trench. I'd bet this was more like shrapnel from an errant shot that hit the stage, so it really doesn't count. :O:

[Sean C]

I was watching the footage shortly after it happened last night. I could not believe how long it took the Secret Service to get the former President off the stage and in the limo. I don't care if he wanted his shoes, pick him up and carry him to safety if you have to.


It honestly reminded me of JFK's limo slowing down right as the shots were being fired. Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that any kind of conspiracy exists in either case.


It just strikes me as odd that in both situations, certain members of the Secret Service did not appear to immediately react appropriately to the exact situation they train so hard for.

[Ostfriese]

Honestly, I fear that we may never become united. :nope:


Yeah, with Republicans who claim "Biden ordered this" you never will.


Just compare the Democrats' reactions (including Biden's) to the assassination attempt to the Republicans' reactions (including Trump's) to the attack on the Pelosis.

[Ostfriese]

He sure doesn't sound like one but it is a common practice for people to vote in the other parties primary for the weakest candidate.


His classmates describe him as a staunch conservative, even if it meant standing alone:


https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/thomas-matthew-crooks-trump-shooting-bethel-park-20240714.html

[em2nought]

This Boston Globe first hand account sounds pretty suspicious to me in a something is rotten in Denmark sort of way. Already knowing exactly where the threat was at beforehand would explain how they were able to take the threat out so quickly "after".

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/07/13/nation/i-was-trump-rally-pennsylvania-this-is-what-i-saw/

First, there was an elderly woman to whom I had just given water; heat strokes were occurring frequently, and medical professionals were doing their best to manage them. Second, over her shoulder I noticed movement on the roof of what appeared to be a barn behind the stage.

Two US Secret Service agents were urgently using large military-green binoculars to scan an area away from the crowd. They weren’t looking in any other direction. Then, each agent pointed what appeared to be sniper rifles in that same direction.

Were those shots? I grew up with guns in the Midwest, so I’m familiar with the sound. Maybe it was fireworks or something?

When I looked up, the same agents were shooting in the same direction their guns had been pointed all along. I knew they were shooting because I could see smoke from their guns.

[em2nought]

Thus why I said He was NOT a Sniper but a shooter.


Saying that I'm starting a fund for Alejandro Mayorkas so he can buy some KY-Jelly.
He's gonna need it when he gets called into answer why he turned down extra security for Trumph.
I bet he's gonna need it for the arse reaming he's gonna get!
:har:

Can't think of a more deserving guy. Not sure how he'll explain that Secret Service already knew the dude was on that roof in the first place. :03:

[Jimbuna]

Donald Trump says he is "supposed to be dead" after surviving an assassination attempt on Saturday night.

He says he will "bring the country together" at the Republican convention this week - and will give a "whole different speech" to the "humdinger" he had planned.

On Sunday night, President Biden gave a televised address, where he called for the "temperature of politics" to be lowered.

"Politics must never be a literal battlefield, God forbid a killing field," he said.

The man who tried to kill Trump - Thomas Crooks, 20 - was shot and killed by the Secret Service but his motive remains unknown.

School classmates remember a "normal boy" who had been rejected by the school's rifle team.

[Rockstar]

Can't think of a more deserving guy. Not sure how he'll explain that Secret Service already knew the dude was on that roof in the first place. :03:

Can’t imagine the director of the USSS will have it any easier. Before this job she worked security at the Pepsi Co guarding bags of Cheetos.

Wasn’t there a time when government officials resigned after monumental, catastrophic failures in their departments or is that just something I imagined?

[Jimbuna]

I'm not so sure but first it would probably need the removal of both current contenders.

[August]

His classmates describe him as a staunch conservative, even if it meant standing alone:


https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/thomas-matthew-crooks-trump-shooting-bethel-park-20240714.html



(Apparent) Classmate singular.


But assuming it's true then why did he donate money to the Democrats? Not too many "staunch conservatives" do that.

[August]

MSNBC pulls their Morning Joe show because they are afraid of what they will say:

MSNBC pulled its flagship AM program "Morning Joe" from airing on Monday in the wake of the assassination attempt on former President Trump.
Viewers who tuned in Monday expecting to see the staunchly anti-Trump program, hosted by Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, were greeted instead by continued NBC News special reporting on the attempt on Trump's life on Saturday. A spokesperson said "Morning Joe" will resume airing on Tuesday.
According to a CNN report (https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/media/msnbc-morning-joe-pulled-trump-assassination), a person familiar with the decision said it was made in part over fear that one of the show's many guests over a four-hour broadcast "might make an inappropriate comment on live television that could be used to assail the program and network as a whole."



https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-yanks-anti-trump-morning-joe-off-air-following-assassination-attempt

[Skybird]

His classmates describe him as a staunch conservative, even if it meant standing alone



And there you have it. Trump is not and never was consvative, he is an egoist pretending to be whatever is opportune for him. This is why I do nto see him as a Republican, never did. The Repoublican party is in fatc the forme Republican oparty, now most of it is Trumist, and that is something very new and different than Republican. They are abusing the name of the GOP.


Thats why I often wrote "former Republican party".



And as we have learned these days, soem conservatives/Republicans take the hijack with quite some anger. Probably because they have realised what destruction it has brought into the party, and civil society.



Anyway, as far as I see it, the election is done, over and decided. Democrats can stop it all, pack their things and go home. Trump must not win it any more - he already has won it. All what could change the outcome is that he starts making mistakes himself. But whatever the Democrats think they still can and mist do: they have no say in it anymore.
Only Trump now can defeat Trump.

[Rockstar]

Tell me you’re a DEI hire without telling me you’re a DEI hire.
https://i.ibb.co/dfHRD1h/IMG-0183.jpg

[Ostfriese]

(Apparent) Classmate singular.


But assuming it's true then why did he donate money to the Democrats? Not too many "staunch conservatives" do that.


From what little I konw about him I don't think that he can be classified as either "Democrat" or "Republican".

[Ostfriese]

And there you have it. Trump is not and never was consvative, he is an egoist pretending to be whatever is opportune for him.


I fully agree, and have done so even before.



This is why I do nto see him as a Republican, never did. The Repoublican party is in fatc the forme Republican oparty, now most of it is Trumist, and that is something very new and different than Republican. They are abusing the name of the GOP.


That's the problem with American politics and the divide in the American public. There's just "either/or", there's very little space left for thinking "in between" or "beyond".

[em2nought]

Tell me you’re a DEI hire without telling me you’re a DEI hire.
https://i.ibb.co/dfHRD1h/IMG-0183.jpg

I wonder if someone's sidearm was supposed to "misfire" in case of a miss, but somebody lost their nerve? :hmmm:

[em2nought]

President Trump better hire some Mossad agents pronto. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Witch hunt confirmed

Judge Cannon dismisses Trump's classified documents case — says Jack Smith appointment is unconstitutional

[August]

From what little I konw about him I don't think that he can be classified as either "Democrat" or "Republican".


Yet for the last few posts you have attempted to do just that. :hmmm:

[em2nought]

Witch hunt confirmed

Judge Cannon dismisses Trump's classified documents case — says Jack Smith appointment is unconstitutional

Oh boy, "they're" gonna have a cow! :har:

[mapuc]

I never got an answer to my question

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2917836&postcount=8266

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Yet for the last few posts you have attempted to do just that. :hmmm:


I have merely quoted information that have been released.

[Shadowblade]

I was wondering why attacker was aiming at Trump's head because snipers aim for center mass. Plus he didnt hit with the rest of shots.

it seems that he was just bad at shooting:

Would-be Trump assassin tried to join high school shooting club, was rejected for being ‘comically bad’ shot
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-tried-to-join-high-school-shooting-club-was-rejected-for-being-comically-bad-shot/ (https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-tried-to-join-high-school-shooting-club-was-rejected-for-being-comically-bad-shot/)

[Ostfriese]

I was wondering why attacker was aiming at Trump's head because snipers aim for center mass. Plus he didnt hit with the rest of shots.

it seems that he was just bad at shooting:

Would-be Trump assassin tried to join high school shooting club, was rejected for being ‘comically bad’ shot
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-tried-to-join-high-school-shooting-club-was-rejected-for-being-comically-bad-shot/ (https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-tried-to-join-high-school-shooting-club-was-rejected-for-being-comically-bad-shot/)


I read that, too, but honestly - missing a target 50 feet away by 20 feet means that he was misaiming (does that word exist?) by an angle of 21°. Can you really be that bad?

[Shadowblade]

I read that, too, but honestly - missing a target 50 feet away by 20 feet means that he was misaiming (does that word exist?) by an angle of 21°. Can you really be that bad?


well, it is strange that guy with such bad aim would choose the rifle as tool for assassination :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

MSNBC pulls their Morning Joe show because they are afraid of what they will say:




https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-yanks-anti-trump-morning-joe-off-air-following-assassination-attempt...:hmmm:so much for "free press"?:O: as for 'the (lucky)Donald', they don't call it an ass-assination fer nuthin'!:yep::shucks::haha:

[MaDef]

I was wondering why attacker was aiming at Trump's head because snipers aim for center mass. Plus he didnt hit with the rest of shots.

it seems that he was just bad at shooting:

Would-be Trump assassin tried to join high school shooting club, was rejected for being ‘comically bad’ shot
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-tried-to-join-high-school-shooting-club-was-rejected-for-being-comically-bad-shot/ (https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-tried-to-join-high-school-shooting-club-was-rejected-for-being-comically-bad-shot/) He may have been aiming at the chest, when shooting on an angle (uphill, downhill) the projectile will usually hit high unless you do the math and compensate for it.

[Rockstar]

He may have been aiming at the chest, when shooting on an angle (uphill, downhill) the projectile will usually hit high unless you do the math and compensate for it.

Dweebs like that kid learn all their skills from Call Of Duty Zombies edition.

[Jimbuna]

Incoming.

[Shadowblade]

Dweebs like that kid learn all their skills from Call Of Duty Zombies edition.


I hope not - media and politicians would be again screaming that it was caused by videogames.

[Rockstar]

I hope not - media and politicians would be again screaming that it was caused by videogames.

No, it was years of vitriol, unfounded accusations, and fear mongering which fell on the ears of a disturbed individual who couldn’t tell fiction from reality. Who thought he could be a hero if he saved the world from someone he was told was hitler a nazi, dictator and fascist out to destroy democracy and the country. Unfortunately you just have read posts by the usual suspects to know there’s more like him out there.

[mapuc]

Do you think that some fanatic MAGA person will try to revenge this and go after Biden ?

I hope not.

Markus

[Skybird]

No need to do so. The race is now so hopeless for the Democrats no matter their candidate that they possibly give up, therefor stopping to get rid of Biden - and Biden now also is their guarantee for loosing the election. Its paradox, but the failed assassination of Trump may have given Biden immunity from his inner-party opposition because they say "for this time its all in vein, lets try again in five years, we waste nothing more in this race this year."


A stumbling, falling, mumbling doddering old man versus a wounded agile man with blood on his face, lifting the fist to heaven and shouting for his followers to fight. The images hasve burned themselves into the minds of voters, you will not get them out from there again. Its over. The even furtehr fanaticsation of Trump followerrs has already visibly set in. Many of those who got doubts about him, now will fall back in line.



Its not certain, but what also is possible is that it will not become just a victory, but a real landslide victory for Trump.



The shooting boy already messed it up by trying. But he even further messed it up by then missing, and so acchieving right the opposite of what he probably wanted to acchieve. Worst outcome possible.

[Shadowblade]

No, it was years of vitriol, unfounded accusations, and fear mongering which fell on the ears of a disturbed individual who couldn’t tell fiction from reality. Who thought he could be a hero if he saved the world from someone he was told was hitler a nazi, dictator and fascist out to destroy democracy and the country. Unfortunately you just have read posts by the usual suspects to know there’s more like him out there.




yes, we know this was caused by hate between people, but if murderer plays some eg. FPS game, media and politicians never miss the opportunity to blame videogames. It happens all the time.

[Shadowblade]

Do you think that some fanatic MAGA person will try to revenge this and go after Biden ?

I hope not.

Markus


no, I doubt about it, removing Sleepy Joe could improve chances for Dems, if they would put someone competent as replacement.

[MaDef]

Dweebs like that kid learn all their skills from Call Of Duty Zombies edition.I would like to hear the Father's rationale for buying him the weapon.

[Shadowblade]

I would like to hear the Father's rationale for buying him the weapon.

Wasnt it his father's weapon?

[MaDef]

The one news report I saw said the Father bought the rifle for the son.

I don't know the laws in Pennsylvania, but most parts of the Country an 18 yr old can purchase a "long gun" legally themselves. Colorado & Delaware have a min 21 age requirement for example.

[Aktungbby]

Incoming.
Ya mean 'outgoing!':O: https://www.livemint.com/lm-img/img/2024/07/14/600x338/GSaPgrSXoAASgNB_1720925844068_1720925848811.jfif A photo by New York Times photographer Doug Mills shows the bullet flying just past Trump’s head, when a shooter attempted to assassinate him during Trump’s election rally in Pennsylvania.

[em2nought]

Thank God for Ross Perot starting the whole bring your audio-visual devices along with you to reinforce your key points otherwise that bullet would have gone straight in President Trump's ear. :salute:

[Onkel Neal]

Do you think that some fanatic MAGA person will try to revenge this and go after Biden ?

I hope not.

Markus

I would be more worried a Democratic would try to go after Biden. He's ruining them and won't go.

[Reece]

100% Agree with that Neal. :yep:

[em2nought]

I think the American people need to hear some testimony from those two counter-sniper agents on that roof before they get "disappeared". :hmmm:

[Shadowblade]

I would be more worried a Democratic would try to go after Biden. He's ruining them and won't go.


true, he is ruining them, but I dont think they will try to remove him with violence.

[Jimbuna]

You usually reap what you sow.

[vienna]

You usually reap what you sow.

In Trump's case, truer words...



<O>

[em2nought]

The mainstream media wants to assassinate the photos from Butler, PA now. :har:

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/16/trump-shooting-photos-photographers-view

Multiple photographers worried privately in conversations with Axios that the images from the rally could turn into a kind of "photoganda," with the Trump campaign using them to further their agenda despite the photographers' intent of capturing a news event.

None would comment on the record for fear of losing future work.
A photo editor and photographer from a major news outlet said the "amount that publications have been using Evan's photo is kind of free P.R. for Trump in a way, and its dangerous for media organizations to keep sharing that photo despite how good it is."
When the shooting happened, "no one was talking about how these photos could impact public perception in the rush to get it out."
Their company "gets millions of millions of visitors everyday and I don't think we discussed enough about what these photos could mean," they added.
Another photographer who has freelanced for major publications worried that the photo would become "a propaganda machine," with the image itself making Trump "a martyr."

https://gna.org.gh/web/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Trump-Assassination-Attempt.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

That's going to be an iconic image that will outlive us all.

[Shadowblade]

true, it will be iconic scene

[Jimbuna]

That's going to be an iconic image that will outlive us all.

Reminiscent of the Iwo Jima image.

[Aktungbby]

Reminiscent of the Iwo Jima image....not the true one; the 'famous' one was a staged second flag raising with a bigger flag.

[em2nought]

Zuckerberg says President Trump is bad ass! Maybe there won't be any shenanigans at facebook this time around. :hmmm:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/zuckerberg-calls-trump-badass-without-endorsing-him/vi-BB1qhFgP

[Shadowblade]

Maybe there won't be any shenanigans at facebook this time around. :hmmm:



https://gifdb.com/images/high/no-way-robert-downey-tony-stark-34e19gp287oznikv.gif

[em2nought]

https://gifdb.com/images/high/no-way-robert-downey-tony-stark-34e19gp287oznikv.gif

Really? At the very beginning of that video Zuckerberg practically admits that he "did some stuff last time", but says he has no plans for any of that this time and he doesn't plan to endorse anyone this time either. :har:

Stuffing ballots isn't the only way to steal an election.

[Shadowblade]

Really? At the very beginning of that video Zuckerberg practically admits that he "did some stuff last time", but says he has no plans for any of that this time and he doesn't plan to endorse anyone this time either. :har:

Stuffing ballots isn't the only way to steal an election.

I dont trust him. Plus FB is very manipulative platform, manipulating with reach and visibility of posts and comments all the time.

[em2nought]

So did Joe step down because they missed? If President Trump was dead would Biden still be the democrat's candidate? Are they separating Biden from Harris in case somebody has to take responsibility for what happened in Butler? Not that anyone would take responsibility for anything ever.

[Rockstar]

So did Joe step down because they missed? If President Trump was dead would Biden still be the democrat's candidate? Are they separating Biden from Harris in case somebody has to take responsibility for what happened in Butler? Not that anyone would take responsibility for anything ever.

Kimberly Cheatle was the first person in authority I heard in a very long time step up to plate and accept full responsibility for the failure and resign. Not even Rowley did that.

[em2nought]

Kimberly Cheatle was the first person in authority I heard in a very long time step up to plate and accept full responsibility for the failure and resign. Not even Rowley did that.

Everyone involved should at least be on administrative leave with all their electronic devices seized. Somebody should be looking at every text, phone call, or email that they ever sent. Too much time has already passed probably, and I'm not sure who you'd even trust to be looking into it.

Can you imagine the hubbub if President Trump was the sitting President and somebody had taken a few shots at Kamala Harris or Joe Biden? :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Yes I can imagine the hubbub bub. But Im still inclined to believe such an operational failure had more if not everything do to with complacency, piss poor inter agency cooperation, communications and planning at every level.

Also violence against politicians is often assumed to be driven by political extremism. Be honest it’s first thing media does to train everyone to start pointing fingers at each other. I’d suggest that it’s individual grievance rather than partisanship which drives attackers, they’re just plain evil psychopaths.

[em2nought]

Yes I can imagine the hubbub bub. But Im still inclined to believe such an operational failure had more if not everything to with complacency, piss poor inter agency cooperation, communications and planning at every level.


It's a shame that ineptitude is the best we can hope for. Agencies spending huge sums of tax payer dollars not even being able to deal with a twenty year old kid? You'd think they'd learn a bit about needing to be a bit transparent after the whole JFK thing in order to not look suspicious? :hmmm:

[Dargo]

Donald Trump May Not Have Been Hit by Bullet, FBI Director SaysFBI Director Christopher Wray said on Wednesday that it was not clear whether former President Donald Trump was shot or hit by shrapnel when a gunman opened fire at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, earlier this month. The FBI is investigating the July 13 shooting, which killed one rally-goer and seriously injured two others before the gunman, 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, was shot dead by the Secret Service. Trump was rushed off stage with a bloodied ear. He said that night that he was "shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear." He said he heard "a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin" in a post on his Truth Social platform.

A week after the shooting, the Trump campaign released a doctor's note from Texas Rep. Ronny Jackson—who had served as Trump's White House physician—that said Trump sustained a gunshot wound to his right ear that was "less than a quarter of an inch from entering his head, and struck the top of his right ear." Trump is "doing well, and he is recovering as expected," Jackson said. But on Wednesday, Wray testified before the House Judiciary Committee that it is not yet certain if Trump's injury was caused by a bullet or shrapnel. "To the best of your understanding, how close did the assassin's bullet come to killing President Donald Trump?" California Rep. Kevin Kiley asked Wray.

Wray replied that his understanding was that either a bullet or a piece of shrapnel "is what grazed [Trump's] ear." Later in the hearing, Rep. Jim Jordan, the committee chairman, asked Wray if all eight bullets fired by the gunman had been accounted for. "We obviously know that Mr. Comperatore lost his life…two other rally goers were injured, seriously injured, and then the one that hit President Trump. Does that account for…were some of these individuals hit multiple times?" Jordan asked. "Where did all eight bullets go, is I guess my question."

Wray said he did not have that information to hand, adding: "As I said, I think with respect to former President Trump, there's some question about whether or not it's a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear. "So it's conceivable, as I sit here right now, I don't know whether that bullet in addition to, you know, causing the grazing, could have also landed somewhere else. But I believe we've accounted for all of the shots in the cartridges." Wray on Wednesday said the FBI would "work tirelessly to get to the bottom of what happened."

A spokesperson for the FBI told Newsweek that since the attack, the bureau "has been consistent and clear that the shooting was an attempted assassination of former President Trump which resulted in his injury, as well as the death of a heroic father and the injuries of several other victims. "FBI Director Wray provided extensive congressional testimony on Wednesday about the FBI's investigation. This was a heinous attack and the FBI is devoting enormous resources to learn everything possible about the shooter and what led to his act of violence. The FBI's Shooting Reconstruction Team continues to examine evidence from the scene, including bullet fragments, and the investigation remains ongoing." https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-might-not-shot-1930037

[Platapus]

Not sure how that really matters. There was an assassination attempt and the candidate survived. Whether it was the bullet or a fragment caused by the bullet, either could have been fatal.



But in any case, the attempt did, unfortunately happen.


It is not like Hillary dodging sniper fire though. :har:

[Buddahaid]

Agreed but this yet another instance where just releasing the medical report would go pretty far in removing any doubt. I'm not holding my breath as Trump has already claimed bullet and is monetizing it with merc sales.

https://gizmodo.com/get-your-trump-assassination-attempt-sneakers-now-for-only-299-2000475805

[Rockstar]

Not sure how that really matters. There was an assassination attempt and the candidate survived. Whether it was the bullet or a fragment caused by the bullet, either could have been fatal.



But in any case, the attempt did, unfortunately happen.


It is not like Hillary dodging sniper fire though. :har:

Well said

[em2nought]

Jeez, another FBI magical bullet. Shrapnel from where? Seems more likely that the guy aiming at President Trump hit him with a bullet than somehow a piece of magical teleprompter shrapnel boomeranged the entire way around President Trump's head to strike him on the right ear. Either way if he hadn't turned his head at just the right moment he'd be dead.

We really need a whole slew of new three letter agency directors. :up:

[Aktungbby]

Ya mean 'outgoing!':O: https://www.livemint.com/lm-img/img/2024/07/14/600x338/GSaPgrSXoAASgNB_1720925844068_1720925848811.jfif

Jeez, another FBI magical bullet. Shrapnel from where? Seems more likely that the guy aiming at President Trump hit him with a bullet than somehow a piece of magical teleprompter shrapnel boomeranged the entire way around President Trump's head to strike him on the right ear. Either way if he hadn't turned his head at just the right moment he'd be dead.
...if he hadn't turned his head, he'd be dead. The two teleprompters weren't hit, which might have caused shrapnel:hmmm: so it's gotta be the bullet caught by the photog's high-speed camera. No doubt Donald T. will, like fellow megalomaniac Adolf H., feel he's been spared for some greater devine purpose; having survived the 'Butler Putsch'! :shucks::timeout:

[Buddahaid]

If that’s the bullet that grazed his ear, it’s too low to have nicked the top of his ear. There won’t be enough parallax to account for the difference unless his ear sticks way out the side of his head.

[Rockstar]

If that’s the bullet that grazed his ear, it’s too low to have nicked the top of his ear. There won’t be enough parallax to account for the difference unless his ear sticks way out the side of his head.

You sound exactly like a far left version of Alex Jones.

[Buddahaid]

You sound exactly like a far left version of Alex Jones.

Thanks, I try to be.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/175/gJuosz.jpg

The original photo is credited to New York Times photographer Doug Mills but the edge of the MAGA hat looked odd compared with all the other edges. I'm not saying it's faked as there's no purpose to be served by faking it.

[em2nought]

Thanks, I try to be.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/175/gJuosz.jpg

The original photo is credited to New York Times photographer Doug Mills but the edge of the MAGA hat looked odd compared with all the other edges. I'm not saying it's faked as there's no purpose to be served by faking it.

Hit by one bullet, narrowly missed by another unless there were two pieces of shrapnel. That kid seems like a better shot than any of us would have thought. A pretty cool cucumber considering he knew he'd been found out moments before taking those shots. I guess they're going to take a look at those casings in regard to the rifle he used? Compare the firing pin strikes on the spent cartridges to one they insert in the firearm to test? :hmmm:

Seems almost like they don't know that we all watch crime dramas and documentaries now.

[August]

If that’s the bullet that grazed his ear, it’s too low to have nicked the top of his ear. There won’t be enough parallax to account for the difference unless his ear sticks way out the side of his head.




It's not the bullet that grazed his ear. He is already wincing and reaching for the wound. That must be one of the bullets that hit the bystanders.

[Armistead]

It was amazing the former SS director informed us radio transmission weren't saved. Then this comes out...
"Long before Crooks would fire his AR-style rifle that Saturday evening, Crooks' presence wasn't the only thing that didn't seem quite right to the local SWAT team.

Team members said that the day of the rally, they had no contact with the agents on Trump's Secret Service detail.

"We were supposed to get a face-to-face briefing with the Secret Service members whenever they arrived, and that never happened," said Jason Woods, team leader for Beaver County's Emergency Services Unit and SWAT sniper section. So I think that was probably a pivotal point, where I started thinking things were wrong because it never happened. We had no communication," Woods said. "Not until after the shooting."

By then, he said, "it was too late."

[MaDef]

It's a shame that ineptitude is the best we can hope for. Agencies spending huge sums of tax payer dollars not even being able to deal with a twenty year old kid? You'd think they'd learn a bit about needing to be a bit transparent after the whole JFK thing in order to not look suspicious? :hmmm:Four + years of DEI hiring and training, what did you expect?

If that’s the bullet that grazed his ear, it’s too low to have nicked the top of his ear. There won’t be enough parallax to account for the difference unless his ear sticks way out the side of his head. :har::har::har:

[Buddahaid]

Four + years of DEI hiring and training, what did you expect?

It didn't stop Reagan from getting shot either.:hmmm:

[MaDef]

It didn't stop Reagan from getting shot either.:hmmm: Really? Then answer this, to what does your vast intellect attribute the catastrophic failure (of what used to be known as the world's foremost protection detail) if not lower DEI standards?

( Looking forward to reading what kind of convoluted rationale you come up with)

[Rockstar]

Really? Then answer this, to what does your vast intellect attribute the catastrophic failure (of what used to be known as the world's foremost protection detail) if not lower DEI standards?

( Looking forward to reading what kind of convoluted rationale you come up with)

I think it was complacency, poor interagency cooperation, communications and planning.

I also think the USSS is very good at their job but they don’t lord over other agencies, best they can do is expect others to do their job. I think the main problem was with the local police departments dropping the ball being more interested in watching the game and collecting overtime.

[Aktungbby]

Really? Then answer this, to what does your vast intellect attribute the catastrophic failure (of what used to be known as the world's foremost protection detail) if not lower DEI standards?

( Looking forward to reading what kind of convoluted rationale you come up with)....the catastrophic failure was Crooks IMHO:O: My understanding is that the local sheriffs' sniper team left their position to investigate young Mr. Crook on the roof with a gun. One actually climbed the same hvac pipe Crook used for roof access, holding onto the roof with both hands, unable to use his sidearm, observed Crook with his weapon... and immediately withdrew, (actually fell back); after which Crook swiftly opened fire on the podium. The principal blame lies with the sheriff team failure at the very point of crisis.

[mapuc]

Friends, it doesn't matter how well trained an USSS is, if the assassin is committing a suicide attack.

This was the case with Ronald Reagan-The young man who fired the shots against Ronald was on suicide mission. He didn't expect to survive it.
(This I was told in a special program on CNN many years ago)

The question is whether the assassin attempt on Trump was a suicide attack or if the attacker expect to survive-We will never know.

So if some brainwashed guy decide to blow him self up near some top politician there isn't much a secret service can do to prevent this.

It wasn't only from CNN I was told this-From an old Israeli friend who had been accepted to join the Mossad's training center for bodyguards(Not the correct term I know) said the same.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Friends, it doesn't matter how well trained an USSS is, if the assassin is committing a suicide attack.

This was the case with Ronald Reagan-The young man who fired the shots against Ronald was on suicide mission. He didn't expect to survive it.
(This I was told in a special program on CNN many years ago)

The question is whether the assassin attempt on Trump was a suicide attack or if the attacker expect to survive-We will never know.

So if some brainwashed guy decide to blow him self up near some top politician there isn't much a secret service can do to prevent this.

It wasn't only from CNN I was told this-From an old Israeli friend who had been accepted to join the Mossad's training center for bodyguards(Not the correct term I know) said the same.

Markus

Very true. Protective services can only do so much. I’m sure if they had their way they would ban public appearances. :)

[em2nought]

For his own sake, I hope President Trump doesn't start to lead by too large a margin in the polls again. :03:

[August]

For his own sake, I hope President Trump doesn't start to lead by too large a margin in the polls again. :03:


They are running out of time to make any more changes. In a few weeks it will be too late to bring in someone else and get their name on all 50 states ballots.

[Rockstar]

Director Wray perjured himself when he told Congress Trump may have been struck by “glass or shrapnel” rather than a bullet.

His Deputy Director testified today that there was NEVER a doubt it was a bullet.

Why is there NO accountability? Instead empty heads happily filling the void between their ears with it like it was the truth.

The FBI is now claiming that the Trump shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks had an unspecified "social media account" in 2019/2020 (when he was 14/15 years old) that posted "anti-immigrant and anti-semitic" content.

This is not consistent with Gab's understanding of the shooter's motives based on an Emergency Disclosure Request ("EDR") we received from the FBI last week for the Gab account "EpicMicrowave" which, based on the content of that EDR, the FBI appeared to think belonged to Thomas Crooks.

Many, particularly regime media reporters, have doubted Gab's claims that this request existed. Normally we don't confirm the existence or content of law enforcement communications. In this instance we had to make an exception due to the overwhelming public interest in disclosure and transparency.

As a courtesy to law enforcement, we are not going to post the entire request. This is the first page of that request.

The story is this: the account for which data was requested was, UNEQUIVOCALLY, pro-Biden and in particular pro-Biden's immigration policy.

To the best of Gab's knowledge, as of 2021, Crooks was a pro-lockdown, pro-immigration, left-wing Joe Biden supporter.

https://i.ibb.co/StByQdw/IMG-0265.jpg

[vienna]

Really? Then answer this, to what does your vast intellect attribute the catastrophic failure (of what used to be known as the world's foremost protection detail) if not lower DEI standards?

( Looking forward to reading what kind of convoluted rationale you come up with)


I guess I'll throw in my less than vast intellect to make a couple of observations and ask you a direct question...

First, since the JFK assasination in 1963, Gerald Ford was the subject of two assasination attempts, and Reagan was wounded in one attempt; all, at the times, caused a huge hue and cry over the percieved lapses of the USSS in each of those cases, much as we are seeing and hearing now...

Second, the same sort of political posturing and attempts to make political capital from the attempts then are being seen now, only with a somewhat different tint; the old saying of "the more things change, the more they remain the same" jumps to mind...

Third, given past observations, the efficacy of the efforts of the USSS will be debated and some, usually superficial, 'remedies' will be applied (demanded resignations, appointed committees/commisions with vague recommendations, etc.), and thus it will sit until the next nutjob decides to 'make his name' by taking a pot shot at some future POTUS; plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...

Now, in those prior attempt and perceived failings involving the USSS, there was no such concept as DEI in existence; the current episode really and essentially doesn't materially differ from those prior; attempts were made; some degree of misaction occurred by the USSS in the handling of the situations, and social trends or perceptions had nothing to do with the way things went down; it was always failed attempt, flawed planning and response, and nothing more...

...and what is all this bull guano about "catastrophic failure (of what used to be known as the world's foremost protection detail"; the current failure was far less, in terms of results, than the attempt on Reagan and barely a notch above the two attempts on Ford; sloppy, yes, but hardly "catastrophic", regardless of the posturing of Trump and his Trumpettes in their zeal to gain political capital and fill the campaign coffers of The Griffter In Chief; when the shots were fired, at the moment when it all really mattered, those USSS agents did what they were sworn to do and they immediately moved to protect their assigned charge, using their own bodies to shield him, and quickly got him out of harm's way (not without having to deal with him trying to grandstand during the process; gotta get that photo op ya know); while the precision of the planning of the event is questionable, the actions and dedication of those selfless agents in the moment of need is on the level of the highest standards of what is expected of agents in such situations; calling what they did to protect Trump " catastrophic" demeans those agents solely for the purpose of scoring cheap, empty, political brownie points...

Now, the question: since you raised the idea that alleged DEI standards are to blame, and, in your post you certainly seem to state the standards are more than alleged, here it is -

Really? Then answer this, to what does your vast intellect provide specific explicit, verifiable proof that the catastrophic failure (of what used to be known as the world's foremost protection detail) was actually caused by DEI standards? Op Ed's and such are not proofs; cold, hard facts are; let's see what ya got...

"Looking forward to reading what kind of convoluted rationale you come up with..."...




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[vienna]

Director Wray perjured himself when he told Congress Trump may have been struck by “glass or shrapnel” rather than a bullet.

His Deputy Director testified today that there was NEVER a doubt it was a bullet.

Why is there NO accountability? Instead empty heads happily filling the void between their ears with it like it was the truth.

The FBI is now claiming that the Trump shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks had an unspecified "social media account" in 2019/2020 (when he was 14/15 years old) that posted "anti-immigrant and anti-semitic" content.

This is not consistent with Gab's understanding of the shooter's motives based on an Emergency Disclosure Request ("EDR") we received from the FBI last week for the Gab account "EpicMicrowave" which, based on the content of that EDR, the FBI appeared to think belonged to Thomas Crooks.

Many, particularly regime media reporters, have doubted Gab's claims that this request existed. Normally we don't confirm the existence or content of law enforcement communications. In this instance we had to make an exception due to the overwhelming public interest in disclosure and transparency.

As a courtesy to law enforcement, we are not going to post the entire request. This is the first page of that request.

The story is this: the account for which data was requested was, UNEQUIVOCALLY, pro-Biden and in particular pro-Biden's immigration policy.

To the best of Gab's knowledge, as of 2021, Crooks was a pro-lockdown, pro-immigration, left-wing Joe Biden supporter.

https://i.ibb.co/StByQdw/IMG-0265.jpg


Err, umm...

...who is " Gabs"? Your post exists in bit of a vacuum since there is no indication of who, what "Gabs" is and where the source of your post originated; also, the document you posted does not at all speak to the assertions "Crooks was a pro-lockdown, pro-immigration, left-wing Joe Biden supporter"; since we don't know the provenance of either "Gabs" or the assertions, the "best of Gab's knowledge" is highly questionable and, perhaps, false....

Inquiring minds want to know...



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[vienna]

For his own sake, I hope President Trump doesn't start to lead by too large a margin in the polls again. :03:

Well, since a 'nomination by acclaim' by his party, an assasination attempt, and the departure of his main opponent didn't move the needle on his poll numbers (and it appears he may have list afew points since Harris came in), I don't think Trump really needs to worry about leading by too much in the polls; besides, ya gotta remember yer talking about Trump, the guy with a spectacular record of failed endeavors; Trump is his own worst enemy; there are a bit less than 100 days left until the election and, given he is Trump, the chances of him saying or doing something to crap in his own bed are pretty good, not to mention who knows what little scandal associated with him or his minions may rear its ugly head; I have great confidence in Trump being Trump and torpedoing his run...




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[mapuc]

The only failure I see the USSS did during Trumps rally when he was shot at, was that they didn't widen the defence perimeter-The roof where the shot came from should have been sealed off and so goes for other high buildings within 3-400 meters from the speaker-Trump.

Even though they were only giving Trump partial protection-The defence perimeter should have been widen.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Well, since a 'nomination by acclaim' by his party, an assasination attempt, and the departure of his main opponent didn't move the needle on his poll numbers (and it appears he may have list afew points since Harris came in), I don't think Trump really needs to worry about leading by too much in the polls; besides, ya gotta remember yer talking about Trump, the guy with a spectacular record of failed endeavors; Trump is his own worst enemy; there are a bit less than 100 days left until the election and, given he is Trump, the chances of him saying or doing something to crap in his own bed are pretty good, not to mention who knows what little scandal associated with him or his minions may rear its ugly head; I have great confidence in Trump being Trump and torpedoing his run...




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At least one candidate was nominated by democratic vote. The other nobody voted for is proclaimed the party girl by decree.

And btw the GAB info is in the same drawer where Schiff keeps the glass fragment that hit Trumps ear, the whistleblower, pee tapes, his secret russian collusion evidence and all the oil Texas stole from California. Any day now.

[em2nought]

Well, since a 'nomination by acclaim' by his party, an assasination attempt, and the departure of his main opponent didn't move the needle on his poll numbers (and it appears he may have list afew points since Harris came in), I don't think Trump really needs to worry about leading by too much in the polls; besides, ya gotta remember yer talking about Trump, the guy with a spectacular record of failed endeavors; Trump is his own worst enemy; there are a bit less than 100 days left until the election and, given he is Trump, the chances of him saying or doing something to crap in his own bed are pretty good, not to mention who knows what little scandal associated with him or his minions may rear its ugly head; I have great confidence in Trump being Trump and torpedoing his run...




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If he doesn't, they're gonna feel they need to try doing that for him again. :03:

[MaDef]

I think it was complacency, poor interagency cooperation, communications and planning.

I also think the USSS is very good at their job but they don’t lord over other agencies, best they can do is expect others to do their job. I think the main problem was with the local police departments dropping the ball being more interested in watching the game and collecting overtime.As a result of what?,......Lower performance standards due to "Diversity Equity & Inclusion. :up:

[MaDef]

....the catastrophic failure was Crooks IMHO:O: My understanding is that the local sheriffs' sniper team left their position to investigate young Mr. Crook on the roof with a gun. One actually climbed the same hvac pipe Crook used for roof access, holding onto the roof with both hands, unable to use his sidearm, observed Crook with his weapon... and immediately withdrew, (actually fell back); after which Crook swiftly opened fire on the podium. The principal blame lies with the sheriff team failure at the very point of crisis. The failure was the person in charge of the security detail (there is always one person in charge). That kid was onsite and had set off alarm bells with security personnel a full 90 minutes before he fired. The only reason that kid got to where he was and able to take his shots, was because the Agent in charge set up a perimeter full of holes and blind spots, in essence, he failed to do his job.

[Rockstar]

An agent in charge can plan the best perimeter known to mankind but if the people on overwatch are instead inside eating donuts adding up their overtime hours or paying more attention to the show than their job the perimeter will be compromised.

You may have a point though about DEI. Thanks to her appointment by President Jill Biden, now former Director Cheadle went from guarding bags of Cheetos at the PepsiCo to serving as Director of the USSS. That is pretty messed up and demoralizing especially when Cheadle said she was hiring based on what a person has between their legs instead of their experience and capability.

Thankfully we now have an actual trained law enforcement officer with a 25-year career with the U.S. Secret Service as acting director.

[MaDef]

An agent in charge can plan the best perimeter known to mankind but if the people on overwatch are instead inside eating donuts adding up their overtime hours or paying more attention to the show than their job the perimeter will be compromised.

Isn't it one of the responsibilities of the agent -in-charge to prevent that from happening? If not, why have an agent-in-charge?

Sorry, security is not subjective, security assessments & personal protection operations follow certain rules, if you deviate or become lackadaisical in implementing them, you invite these kind of incidents. The agent-in-charge is the one who ensures the "rules" are followed.

[Rockstar]

Isn't it one of the responsibilities of the agent -in-charge to prevent that from happening? If not, why have an agent-in-charge?

Sorry, security is not subjective, security assessments & personal protection operations follow certain rules, if you deviate or become lackadaisical in implementing them, you invite these kind of incidents. The agent-in-charge is the one who ensures the "rules" are followed.

I doubt there was one person in charge of every agency involved. Likely more of a coordinated effort where the various agencies (Federal, State, County and City) got together came up with a plan, tasked certain responsibilities with the expectation it would be diligently carried out. I’d wager one or more individuals in one those agencies who should have been covering that roof top likely dropped the ball.

It’s like the star quarterback in a huddle calling the play. He really can’t do much once the ball is in motion. He has to rely on every player on the team to do their job. If just one person on the team fails, the whole plan can fail.

No dogma just my 0.2 cents

[mapuc]

Lets take the assassin on Ronald Reagan-This was, what I understand a suicide attack-The attacker didn't expect to survive.

Even though Reagan had top notch security-They could not prevent the assassin on him.

What the USSS and other security agencies fears most is a crowded mass, even though they are on very high alert they can miss a suicide attacker who could be hiding in the crowded mass.

What do I know-All this is taken from memory on different program about these USSS and other security agencies

Markus

[em2nought]

One of the guys who got shot filmed some good footage that is just surfacing.

[Aktungbby]

No dogma just my 0.2 cents...that's $.02 cents! :know: And, as to your astute obsrvation: "various agencies(Federal,State, County, and City)" clearly a classic case of: "too many chiefs" for young Mr. Crook to slip between with dad's AR-15.

[Platapus]

Four + years of DEI hiring and training, what did you expect?

:har::har::har:




More like being moved out of Treasury and in to DHS.. not exactly the stellar agency. Morale and management in the USSS dropped a lot after that move.

[em2nought]

One of the guys who got shot filmed some good footage that is just surfacing. Supposedly it was shot by one of the guys injured. Unless google suppresses the footage search results of course. :03:
https://nypost.com/2024/07/31/us-news/chilling-new-video-shows-thomas-crooks-moving-across-roof-before-trump-assassination-attempt/

[Buddahaid]

Amazing how his ear shows no scab, or scar, or any outward sign of being hit by a bullet traveling fast enough to have a sonic wavefront.

[Aktungbby]

Amazing how his ear shows no scab, or scar, or any outward sign of being hit by a bullet traveling fast enough to have a sonic wavefront....I think the sonic wavefront fibrillated his cerebellum so severely that he cannot distinguish black Kamala from Indian Kamala! His hypothalamus and medulla oblongata are different matter altogether...personally I'd have used a magnum on his foramen ala John Wilkes Booth:O::oops::dead: but then I'm a Republican??!:wah:

[Buddahaid]

Audio analysis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz_LpsZfLEA&t=29s

[AVGWarhawk]

Amazing how none of this nonsense seems to get to past a Congressional hearing. People have been fired. At the end of the day there was an attempt. Also, if you look at yesterdays live interview and close up of Trump there is a darker spot on the tip of Trump's right ear.

[em2nought]

Amazing how none of this nonsense seems to get to past a Congressional hearing. People have been fired. At the end of the day there was an attempt. Also, if you look at yesterdays live interview and close up of Trump there is a darker spot on the tip of Trump's right ear.

If I was President Trump I wouldn't have let the surgeon do any cosmetic repair. I'd pick the scab off for every appearance until November 5th. :har: I'd still be investigating getting myself some Mossad guys too.

[Jeff-Groves]

Amazing how his ear shows no scab, or scar, or any outward sign of being hit by a bullet traveling fast enough to have a sonic wavefront.

That is the most ignorent thing about bullet speed and transonic travel effect I've heard or read in years!

ignorant /ĭg′nər-ənt/
adjective
Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge.
"an ignorant mistake."
Unaware or uninformed.
"was ignorant of the drug's harmful effects."

[Buddahaid]

That is the most ignorent thing about bullet speed and transonic travel effect I've heard or read in years!

ignorant /ĭg′nər-ənt/
adjective
Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge.
"an ignorant mistake."
Unaware or uninformed.
"was ignorant of the drug's harmful effects."

Please educate all of us with your smerts(see I can misspell too).

[Jeff-Groves]

Still have a 2 inch long scar from a 5.56 grazing shot on my left arm.
I don't need to explain anything to people like you.

[Buddahaid]

Still have a 2 inch long scar from a 5.56 grazing shot on my left arm.
I don't need to explain anything to people like you.

Maybe you can't.

[Jeff-Groves]

You already know it all so tell me why I should?

[Buddahaid]

Because you called me ignorant, so show me in what way I'm avoiding learning why I'm wrong.

[Jeff-Groves]

You came up with a shock wave theory.
Why not prove that 1st?

Or are you trying to say He cut his own ear after shots were fired?
:har:

[Buddahaid]

You made the personal insult so back it up.

[Jeff-Groves]

Telling someone they are ignorant of the facts is actually not an insult.
Any Lawyer could tell you that!
Now had I said your stupid? Yea. Then that is a personal insult.
But Dems do like to split hairs and make up new meanings for stuff.
So have at it all you want.
:haha:

[Buddahaid]

So, you can’t as I suspected.

[Jeff-Groves]

So, you can’t as I suspected.

Perfect example of twisting one's statement to their needs.
How long before you run for office?

May I ask if you were shot with a grazing bullet while Serving in the Military?

[em2nought]

5.56? We gave away our stuff before Afghanistan too?

A high school friend shot himself with a hammer and a .22 before I ever met him. :03:

[Jeff-Groves]

5.56 ammunition is easy to buy.

As for your friend? I believe that. I did the same thing years ago!
The round went through my left hand. The meaty part of the hand just under the thumb. Funny the "Sonic shock wave" didn't blow my thumb off.
:har:

[August]

Amazing how his ear shows no scab, or scar, or any outward sign of being hit by a bullet traveling fast enough to have a sonic wavefront.


Modern American medicine is Great Aye. But what are you trying to imply by saying it had a sonic wavefront?

[Buddahaid]

Sure, why not. Cavitation tears and distortion of associated tissues caused by high velocity ballistic projectiles.

[August]

Sure, why not. Cavitation tears and distortion of associated tissues caused by high velocity ballistic projectiles.


That stuff only happens with resistance. The tip of an ear does not present very much of that. Why are you trying so hard to deny what happened?

[Aktungbby]

WARNING: may be disturbing https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/ During surgery on people shot with high-velocity rounds, he said, body tissue “literally just crumbled into your hands.”

The carnage is rarely visible to the public. Crime scene photos are considered too gruesome to publish and often kept confidential. News accounts rely on antiseptic descriptions from law enforcement officials and medical examiners who, in some cases, have said remains were so unrecognizable that they could be identified only through DNA samples.

As Sakran put it: “We often sanitize what is happening.”

The Washington Post sought to illustrate the force of the AR-15 and reveal its catastrophic effects.
You have been on this page for 3 minutes and 24 seconds.
It took less than 4 minutes for the shooter to kill 8 people and injure 7 at an Indianapolis FedEx warehouse.:k_confused:What makes the .223 potentially deadlier than the .22 is its velocity. When the .223 exits the barrel of a gun, it flies at more than 3,200 feet per second, and is still going 1,660 feet per second after traveling 500 yards. The .22, meanwhile, leaves the muzzle at 2,690 feet per second, and slows to 840 feet per second at 500 yards. At that long distance, the .223 will slam into its target with almost twice the speed of the .22. The .223 is carrying 335 foot-pounds of force, while the .22 carries 70 foot-pounds.
Slow-motion videos of ballistics tests clearly illustrate this difference. Watch the .22 and the .223 tested on blocks of ballistics gelatin, a material that mimics human tissue. The .223 generates a far larger shock wave, and penetrates farther, than the .22.
Developed in the early 1960s, the .223 round was first used in Vietnam. The U.S. military collected reports of its effects on the first Viet Cong combatants to be shot with the bullet. Here’s what they found it did to those enemies’ bodies, as republished in New York Times reporter C.J. Chivers’s history of the assault rifle, The Gun: https://thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screenshot-2017-06-20-15.08.49.png

[Buddahaid]

That stuff only happens with resistance. The tip of an ear does not present very much of that. Why are you trying so hard to deny what happened?

I made one post commenting on the apparent lack of damage and one post demonstrating that the photo showing the bullet flying by couldn't have been the one that hit him and observed that releasing the medical record would put an end to the subject.

Why does it take so little to trigger you?

[AVGWarhawk]

Sure, why not. Cavitation tears and distortion of associated tissues caused by high velocity ballistic projectiles.

Of what difference if his ear was directly hit or high velocity ballistic projectile cavitation tears and distortion? There was a direct attempt on his life. That is what should be focused on.

[mapuc]

There was a direct attempt on his life. That is what should be focused on.

True! It was an attempt to end his life, so whether the bullet went close by or went through his right ear is unnecessary to discuss. As I see it.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Of what difference if his ear was directly hit or high velocity ballistic projectile cavitation tears and distortion? There was a direct attempt on his life. That is what should be focused on.

Not much except for sticking a clown bandage on his head at the RNC and not allowing the USSS to get him off the stage before they found his shoes and he could get a photo op out of it. That there is the failure of the USSS I want to hear about.

[AVGWarhawk]

Not much except for sticking a clown bandage on his head at the RNC and not allowing the USSS to get him off the stage before they found his shoes and he could get a photo op out of it. That there is the failure of the USSS I want to hear about.


They put on quite a show and had collateral damage(1 dead/3 wounded). Now that is entertainment. Sorry you did not approve of the bandage.

[Buddahaid]

They put on quite a show and had collateral damage(1 dead/3 wounded). Now that is entertainment. Sorry you did not approve of the bandage.

Who is this they you are talking about?

EDIT: Ask any medical professional about that bandage.

[AVGWarhawk]

Who is this they you are talking about?

EDIT: Ask any medical professional about that bandage.

Who is they? The well orchestrated ballet of SS/Trump/the crowd/the poor people who pulled the short straws put in the line of fire.

Talk to a medical professional about the bandage? I'll get right on it. At least it did not look like this. Bit dramatic, no?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0c/4c/ba/0c4cba19d8d08ab180a1715d2e02780c.jpg


You spend a lot of time analyzing a possible near miss and less time on the implications of the incident. The failure of the SS.

[Aktungbby]

I have it from my secret sources that the philandering, megalomaniac, charlatan, cut his own ear with his thumbblade just to set up the photo op afforded by the inept Mr Crook:shucks: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/610GgtWtO8L.__AC_SY300_SX300_QL70_FMwebp_.jpg

[Buddahaid]

Yes, the failures. Why didn't they follow protocol and get Trump off the stage immediately while there was at least one active shooter known? The failure to have a secure perimeter is yet another and I'm sure all this will shake out when the investigations are published in spite of Congressional grandstanding for sound bites.

[AVGWarhawk]

[COLOR="Lime"]I have it from my secret sources that the philandering, megalomaniac, charlatan, cut his own ear with his thumbblade just to set up the photo op afforded by the inept Mr Crook:shucks:

It is an old ruse used in WWF wrestling back in the day. If you cut yourself and bled, you as the wrestler, received more money for the match. In Trumps case it was to get more votes if he bleeds. Hulk Hogan taught him the slight of hand. He was the convention after all. Definitely a connection here.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, the failures. Why didn't they follow protocol and get Trump off the stage immediately while there was at least one active shooter known? The failure to have a secure perimeter is yet another and I'm sure all this will shake out when the investigations are published in spite of Congressional grandstanding for sound bites.

They move the president when the perp is down. I believe this to be protocol. then again, it appears the detail was trained just hours before the rally. One SS agent could not find her holster clipped on her belt. But she look cool with the sunglasses. That is all that counts for the SS.

The only thing shaking out is waiting on Jean-Pierre calling it a deep/cheap fake.

It is egg on the face of the SS. A 20yo with a ladder and rifle go by the SS. Let that sink in.

[August]

It is an old ruse used in WWF wrestling back in the day. If you cut yourself and bled, you as the wrestler, received more money for the match. In Trumps case it was to get more votes if he bleeds. Hulk Hogan taught him the slight of hand. He was the convention after all. Definitely a connection here.


So you're saying he was just standing there, blade concealed in his hand, waiting for the moment that the first shot would wizz by? :roll:

[AVGWarhawk]

So you're saying he was just standing there, blade concealed in his hand, waiting for the moment that the first shot would wizz by? :roll:

Sarcasm sir. Sarcasm. Response to Actung. They think it was all made up. Like WWF wrestling.

[August]

Sarcasm sir. Sarcasm. Response to Actung. They think it was all made up. Like WWF wrestling.


Sorry, should have addressed that to him.

[AVGWarhawk]

Sorry, should have addressed that to him.

His post was quoted sir. :Kaleun_Salute:

[em2nought]

Maybe the only Secret Service agent who failed at what was supposed to be their "real" job was the one who took out the shooter. :03: They'd have never had to take the next step of firing Brandon.

[Aktungbby]

Sorry, should have addressed that to him.

....the catastrophic failure was Crooks IMHO:O: My understanding is that the local sheriffs' sniper team left their position to investigate young Mr. Crook on the roof with a gun. One actually climbed the same hvac pipe Crook used for roof access, holding onto the roof with both hands, unable to use his sidearm, observed Crook with his weapon... and immediately withdrew, (actually fell back); after which Crook swiftly opened fire on the podium. The principal blame lies with the sheriff team failure at the very point of crisis.

They move the president when the perp is down. I believe this to be protocol. then again, it appears the detail was trained just hours before the rally. One SS agent could not find her holster clipped on her belt. But she look cool with the sunglasses. That is all that counts for the SS. true enough, I ordered a pair of those SS sunglasses!:arrgh!:

The only thing shaking out is waiting on Jean-Pierre calling it a deep/cheap fake.

It is egg on the face of the SS. A 20yo with a ladder and rifle go by the SS. Let that sink in..as I pointed out above, he may purchased a ladder;but he actually climbed the HVAC pipe , as did the local officer who got to roof w/o a free-hand to draw his weapon and dropped away causing young Mr. Crook to commence rapid(9 shots) on the dyed-blond Assassinee at the podium.

So you're saying he was just standing there, blade concealed in his hand, waiting for the moment that the first shot would wizz by? :roll::yep::O::shucks: precisely!

[Gorpet]

It, would seem both parties wanted Don Trump to go away. The republicans want him to go away.They are in cahoots,with the Democrats. And what could be better than a one party rule. Look if both parties can come together, well **** we will not have to worry about votes anymore. And all the politicians across America can keep their positions.

And the globalist can continue their agendia for the security of the planet, for themselves and their families. And a lot of us will have to die. Covid 19 was just a test. None of the leaders of any country died. But my neighbors did, hell they were running ambulances up and down, hauling out my neighbors young and old. So? Do we trust the local's who seem to always win their elections. Oh damn ah well even here ya get an alithogram.
Ya bend the knee, In the name of Democracy , or get punched.

.as I pointed out above, he may purchased a ladder;but he actually climbed the HVAC pipe , as did the local officer who got to roof w/o a free-hand to draw his weapon and dropped away causing young Mr. Crook to commence rapid(9 shots) on the dyed-blond Assassinee at the podium.

:yep::O::shucks: precisely!

I don't care what you want to argue about.The fact is Don survived he was not supposed to.Both political parties were eating popcorn and watching that event. And when he stood up, All of them were shocked. He was supposed to be dead. And look at the reaction of both parties. Damn It , his death was supposed to create a situation for Martial Law.So the Democrat party could assume total control.
If you people don't think that those who want power. Haven't studied how the past Dictators achieved it. Your not Woke ya idiots

.as I pointed out above, he may purchased a ladder;but he actually climbed the HVAC pipe , as did the local officer who got to roof w/o a free-hand to draw his weapon and dropped away causing young Mr. Crook to commence rapid(9 shots) on the dyed-blond Assassinee at the podium.

:yep::O::shucks: precisely!

I don't care what you want to argue about.The fact is Don survived he was not supposed to.Both political parties were eating popcorn and watching that event. And when he stood up, All of them were shocked. He was supposed to be dead. And look at the reaction of both parties. Damn It , his death was supposed to create a situation for Martial Law.So the Democrat party could assume total control.
If you people don't think that those who want power. Haven't studied how the past Dictators achieved it. Your not Woke ya idiots

[vienna]

Amazing how his ear shows no scab, or scar, or any outward sign of being hit by a bullet traveling fast enough to have a sonic wavefront.


What I find interesting, and amusing, is how Trump paraded around in the days after the incident with that 'Yuuuge' bandage covering his ear; given the size of it, it would have been expected the wound underneath would have been of Van Gogh-like proportions; odd how once the doctors who attended him after the shooting began to describe to the press the true extent of Trump's injury, the mega-MAGA bandage suddenly disappeared; according to the ER doctor who treated Trump, the wound didn't even require any stitches...

I kinda think many of us have had worse shaving "nicks" in our lives...


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[vienna]

An additional thought about the Butler shootings...

In the days following, a GoFundMe page was set up to collect funds for the unfortunate victims killed or wounded during the attack, which was co-opted by the Trump campaign and relabelled as "Authorized by Donald Trump"; this came to my attention when I read a Fox News article where Fox themselves placed quote marks around the word authorized ('authorized') in both the title and body of their article(s); did a little further digging and found out that 'authorized' prettty much means nothing when it comes to GoFundMe pages; it just appears it was just another attempt by Trump and his campaign to brand something else with his name...

Of further interesting note is the list of donors on the GFM page, with the fund netting, at my last look, well over $6 million dollars; there are many rather large donations by many wealthy and well known people, up to and including Ivanka Trump and her husband, Jared; a curious, and somewhat glaring, name was missing from the list of donors, the name of Donald J. Trump; it seems Trump's 'largesse' only extends to him plastering his name on the fund solicitation to get self-serving media attention, but stops short of actually making even a token gesture of compassionately adding some very small bit of his own highly touted wealth to aid the victims of his rally; I saw an awful lot of people on the list giving about $5 or so and I saw quite a few give very generous donations (Elon Musk and even Kid Rock each gave $50,000) but Don The Con can't seem to pry open his purse to given even spare change; speaks very much to the character of a person when they can't even do the obvious and right thing to aid those injured by his actions and activities...



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[u crank]

I kinda think many of us have had worse shaving "nicks" in our lives...


Ever have anyone try to shoot you in the head?

:hmmm:

[Otto Harkaman]

"warning may be disturbing"

https://youtu.be/BrwKqQpa_YQ?si=Rhi8-VPUHAjSa2Tl

[vienna]

Ever have anyone try to shoot you in the head?

:hmmm:


I've been shot at some, but never hit; once a guy next to me was wounded, but, luckily, it was a minor wound...

Good enough for you...?...



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[u crank]

Good enough for you...?...

Not really. It was a rhetorical question. It would seem to me that you are trying to equate a near fatal assassination with a shaving mishap. Were you?

[vienna]

No, I was actually comparing a really very minor wound (if that at all) with the results of the everyday sort of mishaps we all face; Trump is not some brave hero by any means; that I would give to;

Andrew Jackson -




January 30, 1835: Just outside the Capitol Building, a house painter named Richard Lawrence attempted to shoot President Andrew Jackson with two pistols, both of which misfired. Later somebody tried the two pistols and both worked fine. Lawrence was apprehended after Jackson beat him severely with his cane.





...and, a real badass, Teddy Roosevelt -




On October 14, 1912, former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt survived an assassination attempt by John Schrank, a former saloonkeeper, while campaigning for the presidency in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Schrank's bullet lodged in Roosevelt's chest after penetrating Roosevelt's steel eyeglass case and passing through a 50-page-thick (single-folded) copy of his speech titled "Progressive Cause Greater Than Any Individual", which he was carrying in his jacket pocket. Schrank was immediately disarmed and captured; he might have been lynched had Roosevelt not shouted for Schrank to remain unharmed. Roosevelt assured the crowd that he was alright, then instructed the police to take charge of Schrank and ensure he was not harmed.

As an experienced hunter and anatomist, Roosevelt correctly concluded that since he was not coughing blood, the bullet had not reached his lung; he declined suggestions to go to the hospital immediately. Instead, he delivered his scheduled speech. His opening comments to the gathered crowd were, "Friends, I shall ask you to be as quiet as possible. I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot—but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose."

Afterwards, probes and an x-ray showed that the bullet had lodged in Roosevelt's chest muscle, but did not penetrate the pleura. Since doctors concluded that it would be less dangerous to leave it in place than to attempt to remove it, Roosevelt carried the bullet with him for the rest of his life.

Both President Taft and Democratic nominee Wilson suspended their campaigning until Roosevelt recovered and resumed his own. When asked if the shooting would affect his election campaign, he said to the reporter "I'm fit as a Bull Moose." The Bull Moose had become a symbol of both Roosevelt and the Progressive Party, often referred to as simply the Bull Moose Party, after Roosevelt boasted that he felt "strong as a bull moose" after losing the Republican nomination in June 1912. He spent two weeks recuperating before returning to the campaign trail. He later wrote to a friend about the bullet inside of his body: "I do not mind it any more than if it were in my waistcoat pocket."





TR not only continued to give his speech with a bullet lodged in his body, he gave a 50 minute speech and then sought medical aid...


One other notable aspect of TR's near death experience: he managed to show a remarkable sence of compassion towards the man who tried to kill him:




As onlookers gasped and screamed, Elbert E. Martin, one of Roosevelt's secretaries and an ex-football player, was the first to react, leaping at Schrank, wrestling him to the ground and seizing his gun. A. O. Girard, a former Rough Rider and bodyguard of the ex-president, and several policemen were upon Schrank at the same moment. Roosevelt stumbled, but straightened himself, and again raised his hat, with a reassuring smile upon his face. His aide, Harry Cochems, asked Roosevelt if he was hit, and Roosevelt simply said assuredly, "He pinked me, Harry."

As Schrank was subdued and held up on his feet, the crowd went into a frenzy. Several of the closest men around Schrank began pummeling him, and others screamed "kill him!", and "hang him!". Roosevelt, seeing what was happening, shouted to the crowd, "Don't hurt him. Bring him here. I want to see him." The crowd, hearing Roosevelt's voice, looked at Roosevelt, astonished to see him standing up and talking. A member asked, "Is he okay?"; Roosevelt, with a reassuring smile, waved his hat in the air and said, "I'm all right, I'm all right." In relief, the crowd erupted in cheers, enabling four policemen to gain their way into the crowd and hold Schrank.

Roosevelt ordered, "Bring him to me." Schrank was led to Roosevelt, and the two men looked into each other's eyes. Putting his hands on Schrank's head so he could look at him, and to determine if he had seen him before, Roosevelt said to Schrank, "What did you do it for?" Getting no response, he said, "Oh, what's the use? Turn him over to the police." As police held Schrank, Roosevelt looked down at him, and said, "You poor creature." Roosevelt ordered, "Officers, take charge of him, and see that there is no violence done to him." Girard and another officer led Schrank away into the hotel as the crowd booed at him and applauded for Roosevelt, abiding by his wishes. Roosevelt gave another reassuring tip of the hat to the crowd before he took off in his car. Schrank was led into the kitchen where he was turned over to the local police.





Somehow, getting an "owwie booboo" on the tip of an ear just doesn't really match up to either of those two gents...

...and I bet neither of them complained about their shoes or tried to fleece the public via a shallow con...



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[u crank]

Andrew Jackson -....

Teddy Roosevelt -....

You, like so many others seem to be missing the big picture here. Trump or Teddy Roosevelt's reaction is irrelevant when compared to that big picture. Can you guess what it is?

[Otto Harkaman]

The current administration with negligence facilitated an attempted assassination of a political rival.

The failure wasn't in the secret service failure to protect, it was the failure of the attempt itself, everything would of been fine if it had succeeded

[vienna]

You, like so many others seem to be missing the big picture here. Trump or Teddy Roosevelt's reaction is irrelevant when compared to that big picture. Can you guess what it is?


Do you mean the Big Picture as you think it is or The Big Picture as it actually is...?...



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[vienna]

The current administration with negligence facilitated an attempted assassination of a political rival.

The failure wasn't in the secret service failure to protect, it was the failure of the attempt itself, everything would of been fine if it had succeeded


Are you saying it would have been better if Trump had been killed...?...


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[mapuc]

Could it be that the shooter was aiming at Trumps forehead and missed by a few centimeter, due to miscalculation and thereby hitting or almost hitting Trumps ear instead
The shot came a 3-5 second after Trump had turned his head to the right

Why this thought was because I heard someone saying the shooter was aiming at Trumps temporal lobe

I could also be very wrong.

Markus

[Dargo]

Could it be that the shooter was aiming at Trumps forehead and missed by a few centimeter, due to miscalculation and thereby hitting or almost hitting Trumps ear instead
The shot came a 3-5 second after Trump had turned his head to the right

Why this thought was because I heard someone saying the shooter was aiming at Trumps temporal lobe

I could also be very wrong.

MarkusI think he mists all shots, think Trump was hit by debris.

[u crank]

Do you mean the Big Picture as you think it is or The Big Picture as it actually is...?...

Ok, I'll bite. What is the big picture 'as it actually is'?

[August]

Could it be that the shooter was aiming at Trumps forehead and missed by a few centimeter, due to miscalculation and thereby hitting or almost hitting Trumps ear instead
The shot came a 3-5 second after Trump had turned his head to the right

Why this thought was because I heard someone saying the shooter was aiming at Trumps temporal lobe

I could also be very wrong.

Markus


Given the range and the optics used by the shooter I seriously doubt that the aim was that exact.

[August]

I think he mists all shots, think Trump was hit by debris.




What debris? It's already been proven that neither of the teleprompters were hit.



https://www.news5cleveland.com/politics/disinformation-desk/fact-checking-the-shattering-teleprompter-conspiracy-theory-at-trump-rally-shooting

[Dargo]

What debris? It's already been proven that neither of the teleprompters were hit.



https://www.news5cleveland.com/politics/disinformation-desk/fact-checking-the-shattering-teleprompter-conspiracy-theory-at-trump-rally-shootingHow can a bullet leave so little damage?

[August]

How can a bullet leave so little damage?

Because it was only a nick on the tip of his ear.

To cause damage the bullet has to strike something solid enough to cause a transfer of energy. Hit a bone, travel through a muscle or through a body those are the hits that cause damage. Shoot through something thin like a piece of cloth or a paper target, or the tip of an ear and the hole is no bigger than the diameter of the bullet and there is little or no deflection from the flight path.

[Buddahaid]

Great argument pointing out how ridiculous the clown bandage was.

[AVGWarhawk]

Great argument pointing out how ridiculous the clown bandage was.

It's a bandage. Let it go.

[Buddahaid]

It’s a prop designed to play into Trumps eternal victim bleating. He was very lucky but that doesn’t equate into creating a hero of the people despite his best views of himself as that hero.

It mostly demonstrates his lack of substance.

[Otto Harkaman]

It’s a prop designed to play into Trumps eternal victim bleating. He was very lucky but that doesn’t equate into creating a hero of the people despite his best views of himself as that hero.

It mostly demonstrates his lack of substance.


https://www.thepubliceditor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Democrats_Say_Trump_Bandage_Looks_Rediculous-e1721747578306.jpg:agree::haha:

[Armistead]

Could it be that the shooter was aiming at Trumps forehead and missed by a few centimeter, due to miscalculation and thereby hitting or almost hitting Trumps ear instead
The shot came a 3-5 second after Trump had turned his head to the right

Why this thought was because I heard someone saying the shooter was aiming at Trumps temporal lobe

I could also be very wrong.

Markus
I believe there were two turns to his head, a more obvious turn that you see 3 secs before the shot, then a slight turn right before the shot, which had he not done it would've been a headshot. It was more a tilt than a turn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0CTBALMaP0

[August]

It’s a prop designed to play into Trumps eternal victim bleating. He was very lucky but that doesn’t equate into creating a hero of the people despite his best views of himself as that hero.

It mostly demonstrates his lack of substance.

If it were just a prop then he'd still be sporting it in public but he stopped wearing it just as soon as the BULLET wound was healed. You hate him so you try and twist anything and everything about him in the most negative light possible and your opinion here just demonstrates that.

His political enemies have tried to hamstring his presidency, impeach him, prosecute him, jail him and now have tried to assassinate him and he still shakes his fist at them and fights on. He's a hero of the people already.

[AVGWarhawk]

It’s a prop designed to play into Trumps eternal victim bleating. He was very lucky but that doesn’t equate into creating a hero of the people despite his best views of himself as that hero.

It mostly demonstrates his lack of substance.


Yes sir. All about optics.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/507/789/f22.jpg

[mapuc]

We have a saying in Danish
- No more soup can be boiled on that story

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Supreme Court Justice issues stern warning toward's Joe Biden

Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch sent a stern warning toward Joe Biden after the president recently laid out extreme reforms to the nation's highest court. Last week, Biden called for sweeping reforms to the Supreme Court , including term limits, a binding code of conduct for its nine justices and a constitutional amendment that would limit presidential immunity.

In an interview with Fox News , Gorsuch requested the president exercise caution in how he goes forward, because the judiciary is meant to be an independent check on Biden's office. 'It's there for the moments when the spotlight's on you, when the government's coming after you. And don't you want a ferociously independent judge and a jury of your peers to make those decisions? Isn't that your right as an American?' Gorsuch asked. The Donald Trump-appointed justice then added: 'And so I just say, be careful.'

Gorsuch, a part of the Republican majority on the 6-3 Supreme Court, told FOX News Channel’s FOX News Sunday that he worries Americans don't appreciate what the court represents. 'I´m not saying that there aren't ways to improve what we have. I´m simply saying that we´ve been given something very special. It´s the envy of the world, the United States judiciary,' he said. Gorsuch is currently promoting his new book, 'Over Ruled: The Human Toll of Too Much Law. 'Too little law and we´re not safe, and our liberties aren´t protected. But too much law and you actually impair those same things.'

The 56-year-old justice was the first of three Supreme Court nominees of Trump, and they have combined to entrench a conservative majority that has overturned Roe v. Wade, ended affirmative action in college admissions, expanded gun rights and clipped environmental regulations aimed at climate change, as well as air and water pollution more generally .

Biden, citing 'recent ethics scandals' involving justices and high court rulings that 'overturned long-established legal precedents protecting fundamental rights', has called on Congress to pass three major reforms in a bid to 'restore trust and accountability' in America's democratic institutions. The White House last week detailed the contours of Biden's court proposal, noting how the Democrat believes 'no one - neither the President nor the Supreme Court - is above the law'.

The President will officially propose the changes today during a speech in Austin, Texas , however his proposals appears to have little chance of being approved by a deeply-divided Congress with under 100 days to go before Election Day. Regardless, Democrats hope Biden's proposal will help to focus voters as they consider their choices in the tight presidential election.

Vice President Kamala Harris , the presumptive Democratic nominee, has sought to frame her race against Republican former President Donald Trump as 'a choice between freedom and chaos'. Biden is calling for doing away with lifetime appointments to the court. He says Congress should pass legislation to establish a system in which the sitting president would appoint a justice every two years to spend 18 years in service on the court. He argues term limits would help ensure that court membership changes with some regularity and adds a measure of predictability to the nomination process.

He also wants Congress to pass legislation establishing a code of ethics for justices that would require justices to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest. Biden has also urged Congress to pass a constitutional amendment reversing the Supreme Court's recent landmark immunity ruling that determined former presidents have broad immunity from prosecution.

It comes after the Supreme Court ruled in July that Trump cannot be prosecuted for actions that were within his constitutional powers as president in a landmark decision recognizing for the first time any form of presidential immunity from prosecution . The decision extended the delay in the Washington criminal case against Trump on charges he plotted to overturn his 2020 presidential election loss and all but ended prospects the former president could be tried before the November election.

Biden's push for reforms comes a week after Biden ended his reelection bid and endorsed Harris to square off against Republican presidential candidate Trump in November. It also follows the Supreme Court's ruling that there is no Constitutional right to abortion and other decisions that blocked Biden's agenda on immigration, student loans, vaccine mandates and climate change.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/supreme-court-justice-issues-stern-warning-toward-s-joe-biden/ss-AA1og17T?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=4d9ccd5e05674bbb842eb1ddeaf4d94c&ei=14#image=1

[Rockstar]

Supreme Court Justice issues stern warning toward's Joe Biden

Just what exactly does the article you posted have to do with the thread topic? Do you even read the articles you post?

[AVGWarhawk]

Supreme Court Justice issues stern warning toward's Joe Biden

Two things. Biden has nothing to do with this. They are only using his name. Second, each party loves to stack SCOTUS with their buddies. But, I agree, term limits for SCOTUS as well as Congress should be on the table for consideration.

[Aktungbby]

Just what exactly does the article you posted have to do with the thread topic? Do you even read the articles you post?GOOD GOD! R U accusing Geordius Maximus Moderatus of being 'off topic' in open politics forum?!!:o.... "et tu Brute? Then fall Caesar!" (with apologies to 'the Bard'):O:https://d3d00swyhr67nd.cloudfront.net/w800h800/collection/GL/GM/GL_GM_318-001.jpg <the autopsy reported no earnicks though megalomaniac philanderer(Cleopatra)Julius was known to 'turn heads'!:O:

[Buddahaid]

If it were just a prop then he'd still be sporting it in public but he stopped wearing it just as soon as the BULLET wound was healed. You hate him so you try and twist anything and everything about him in the most negative light possible and your opinion here just demonstrates that.

His political enemies have tried to hamstring his presidency, impeach him, prosecute him, jail him and now have tried to assassinate him and he still shakes his fist at them and fights on. He's a hero of the people already.

Even he got tired of looking stupid.

[ET2SN]

Two things. Biden has nothing to do with this. They are only using his name. Second, each party loves to stack SCOTUS with their buddies. But, I agree, term limits for SCOTUS as well as Congress should be on the table for consideration.

"Term Limits" is a very tricky concept to get right. :hmmm:
Ask Newt Gingrich how that worked out in the Congress. :yep:
He basically had to weasel his way out of a solemn promise he had made to his voters. The problem is that senior committee assignments are best held by senior members because senior committee assignments can backfire in a very bad way when trusted to Noobs.
For example, you don't want to wind up with titles like "This Month's Speaker Of The House" or "Chief Justice Of The Week". :timeout:

With the S.C., unfortunately they need some kind of independent oversight. How that happens and who gets to do it will need a lot of deliberation. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Two things. Biden has nothing to do with this. They are only using his name. Second, each party loves to stack SCOTUS with their buddies. But, I agree, term limits for SCOTUS as well as Congress should be on the table for consideration.

I reckon Trump would simply change it back again.

[AVGWarhawk]

I reckon Trump would simply change it back again.

Yes sir. One reason I'm not a fan of executive orders. Totally abused. Both parties presidents us it.

[Aktungbby]

Totally abused. Both parties presidents U.S. it. fixed:O:

[August]

I reckon Trump would simply change it back again.


You reckon wrong.


Term limits for SC justices are not something that a president can introduce or withdraw with a mere executive order. Nothing less than a constitutional amendment passed by Congress by a 2/3rs margin in both houses and ratified by 3/4ths of the US state legislatures would be required to do either one.

[Jimbuna]

Then I'll rephrase and say I reckon Trump would do his best to change it back.

[AVGWarhawk]

Then I'll rephrase and say I reckon Trump would do his best to change it back.

:har:

[AVGWarhawk]

You reckon wrong.


Term limits for SC justices are not something that a president can introduce or withdraw with a mere executive order. Nothing less than a constitutional amendment passed by Congress by a 2/3rs margin in both houses and ratified by 3/4ths of the US state legislatures would be required to do either one.

Watch Biden try. He is doing everything to pay off student loans and seemingly getting away with it. Congress be darned. SCOTUS be darned.

[Jimbuna]

You should laugh, you agreed with the initial remark :O:

[Jimbuna]

Posts crossed at same time but I'll let mine stand :)

[AVGWarhawk]

Posts crossed at same time but I'll let mine stand :)

:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

[mapuc]

Looks like there was other who had plans on killing Trump

A Pakistani national with purported ties to Iran was arrested last month on charges he plotted to assassinate former President Donald Trump and multiple other public officials, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Tuesday in Brooklyn federal court.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/pakistani-national-charged-alleged-plot-assassinate-donald-trump/story?id=112617075

Markus

[vienna]

Ok, I'll bite. What is the big picture 'as it actually is'?

Damned if I know; I kinda of thought he'd let us know...

One thing about getting old: if you live long enough, and pay attention, you learn some things; way back in high school, I was on debating teams and one of the big tells your opponents were having trouble defending their positions was if they invoked "the big picture"; it was an attempt to appear there was some 'greater' scheme or purpose bolstering their position(s); the easiest way I found to puncture their balloon was to just ask them to be specific about their grand "big picture" and its relevance to the specific issue being discussed; more often than not either they sputtered out or resorted to sometimes grander platitudes as a smokescreen...

So, no, I don't know what his "big picture" is, but I would suggest his bring it up hints at a paucity of substance underlying his arguments(s)...

As an aside, as I went through my working life, I had more than a few encounters with the "big picture" mongers and damned few of them actually had even a hint of substance behind their claims they had a privileged view of the "big picture" or that they even had any solid idea of what a "big picture" could be: the whole concept of "the big picture" is often neither big nor a clear picture; I recall on job I contracted for where the project leader was one of those types who peppered their speech with business school catch phrases and clichés; the project ran into some trouble and a meeting was held with the company's management team, the project team leader (and a couple of his minions/lackeys) and those of us who were actually contracted to do the work; at the meeting the PL kept bobbing and weaving and tried to lay the blame on us, the contractors; one of my habits on a job is to try to keep track of production stats and I had the stats at hand at the meeting; when he tried to claim we, the contractors were unable or unwilling grasp his "big picture", I spoke up and asked the company's management team to explain the exact parameters and goals of the project as they saw them and wished them done; there was a specific deadline to be met and I seized upon that to point out that the "big picture" of the PL couldn't possibly be met because the current rate of production with the current given size of workforce and equipment was statistically impossible; there was an icy silence and scowls directed by the management towards the PL and then they said they wanted a full review of the actual status of the project immediately; my co-contractors were delighted to see the PL taken down a notch; for me, after the meeting, the PL took me aside and tersely informed me my contract was terminated immediately; I didn't really care since I had a couple of other offers pending, but I did hear from one of my former co-contractors that significant changes were made in their work conditions and equipment and the PL was soundly chastised by the company's management...

Big pictures are a convenient smoke screen, but attention to the "little things" can often overturn the "BP"; ask that aircraft company about missing bolts or defective space capsules...

Oh, and the caveat about not always trusting the "big picture" also applies to those who, when confronted by having to defend specifics about the deficiencies of Trump and his ideas and minions, plead that we, who have our own eyes and brains, just don't grasp the "big picture"... at least as they see it...



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[u crank]

Damned if I know; I kinda of thought he'd let us know...

One thing about getting old: if you live long enough, and pay attention, you learn some things; way back in high school, I was on debating teams and one of the big tells your opponents were having trouble defending their positions was if they invoked "the big picture"; it was an attempt to appear there was some 'greater' scheme or purpose bolstering their position(s); the easiest way I found to puncture their balloon was to just ask them to be specific about their grand "big picture" and its relevance to the specific issue being discussed; more often than not either they sputtered out or resorted to sometimes grander platitudes as a smokescreen...

So, no, I don't know what his "big picture" is, but I would suggest his bring it up hints at a paucity of substance underlying his arguments(s)...

As an aside, as I went through my working life, I had more than a few encounters with the "big picture" mongers and damned few of them actually had even a hint of substance behind their claims they had a privileged view of the "big picture" or that they even had any solid idea of what a "big picture" could be: the whole concept of "the big picture" is often neither big nor a clear picture; I recall on job I contracted for where the project leader was one of those types who peppered their speech with business school catch phrases and clichés; the project ran into some trouble and a meeting was held with the company's management team, the project team leader (and a couple of his minions/lackeys) and those of us who were actually contracted to do the work; at the meeting the PL kept bobbing and weaving and tried to lay the blame on us, the contractors; one of my habits on a job is to try to keep track of production stats and I had the stats at hand at the meeting; when he tried to claim we, the contractors were unable or unwilling grasp his "big picture", I spoke up and asked the company's management team to explain the exact parameters and goals of the project as they saw them and wished them done; there was a specific deadline to be met and I seized upon that to point out that the "big picture" of the PL couldn't possibly be met because the current rate of production with the current given size of workforce and equipment was statistically impossible; there was an icy silence and scowls directed by the management towards the PL and then they said they wanted a full review of the actual status of the project immediately; my co-contractors were delighted to see the PL taken down a notch; for me, after the meeting, the PL took me aside and tersely informed me my contract was terminated immediately; I didn't really care since I had a couple of other offers pending, but I did hear from one of my former co-contractors that significant changes were made in their work conditions and equipment and the PL was soundly chastised by the company's management...

Big pictures are a convenient smoke screen, but attention to the "little things" can often overturn the "BP"; ask that aircraft company about missing bolts or defective space capsules...

Oh, and the caveat about not always trusting the "big picture" also applies to those who, when confronted by having to defend specifics about the deficiencies of Trump and his ideas and minions, plead that we, who have our own eyes and brains, just don't grasp the "big picture"... at least as they see it...

'The big picture' in this case isn't any where near that complicated. To be as concise as possible, someone tried to and came very close to killing a Presidential candidate.

[vienna]

'The big picture' in this case isn't any where near that complicated. To be as concise as possible, someone tried to and came very close to killing a Presidential candidate.

Well, whadaya know; the "big picture" is mighty small, after all...

Considering your response invoking the "big picture" came after I pointed out the clamor and alarms over Trump's 'bob-boo' was way out of proportion to the actual incident, it could be easily assumed you had some great insight into why the voters should really care about the attempt all that much, anyway; I noted if you live long enough and you pay attention, you might actually learn something; today, very, very few people even remember Gerald Ford was the object of two (2) assassination attempts; Ford actually was at only about arm's length from the would-be assassin in the first attempt and luck saved him:




On September 5, 1975, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, a member of the Manson Family cult, attempted to assassinate United States president Gerald Ford in Sacramento, California. Fromme, who was standing a little more than an arm's length from Ford, pointed a M1911 pistol at him in the public grounds of the California State Capitol building and without chambering a round in the gun, unsuccessfully attempted to fire.

After the assassination attempt, Ford continued to walk to the California state house, where he met with Governor Jerry Brown. For her crime, Fromme spent 34 years in prison and was released on August 14, 2009—two years and seven months after Ford's death. The Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan, later received the M1911 pistol used in the assassination attempt as a gift, and the gun was put on display.





...and the second attempt was a bit worse than the first with shots actually being fired...



On September 22, 1975, Sara Jane Moore attempted to assassinate the 38th President of the United States, Gerald Ford, after he had made an address to the World Affairs Council.[1] Moore fired two shots at President Ford with a .38 Special revolver, both of which missed. Ford had survived a previous assassination attempt 17 days earlier, and after the second attempt President Ford would wear a bulletproof trench coat while out in public. On January 15, 1976, Moore was sentenced to life in prison for the attempt, and on December 31, 2007, was released on parole.





So Trump's overblown brush with death, as I said once before, is really only a notch above Ford's situation and certainly very far less in gravity that the attempts on Reagan, RFK , and JFK; Trump is not a 'martyr' or tragic victim, although the firefighter who died certainly is, indeed, a tragic victim as are any others hit by gunfire (Aside: anybody hear if Trump ever pried open his purse to donate to the firefighter's family's GoFundMe page)...


...and for those who are excoriating the Secret Service, et al, for lapses in security oversight, those things do happen and like will happen again; it is literally impossible to defend against a determined attacker in every situation; think that what happened in Butler was unusual or suspect; think again; here's what happened prior to Ford's second assassination...




Sara Jane Moore had been evaluated by the Secret Service earlier in 1975, but agents had concluded that she posed no danger to the president. She was detained by police on an illegal handgun charge the day before the assassination attempt, but was released. The police confiscated her .44-caliber Charter Arms Bulldog revolver and 113 rounds of ammunition.





Getting an extremely slight wound; pausing for a photo op while the SS agents were trying to get him out of harm's way, and then parading and grandstanding around with a "yuuge" bandage as if he had endured a much more serious wound simply makes Trump the con man and shyster he has always been; all he gets from me is "Gee, man, what a bummer" and a shrug as I go on with my life; let the lemmings who follow him clutch their pearls and agonize full of "sound and fury signifying nothing"...



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President Trump has been shot at more often than Tim Walz. :hmmm: