View Full Version : Attempted Assassination of former President Trump
u crank
08-09-24, 03:57 AM
Well, whadaya know; the "big picture" is mighty small, after all...
Getting an extremely slight wound; pausing for a photo op while the SS agents were trying to get him out of harm's way, and then parading and grandstanding around with a "yuuge" bandage as if he had endured a much more serious wound simply makes Trump the con man and shyster he has always been; all he gets from me is "Gee, man, what a bummer" and a shrug as I go on with my life; let the lemmings who follow him clutch their pearls and agonize full of "sound and fury signifying nothing"...
Well thanks for your opinion but I could care less about Trump's or anybody else's reaction to the event. And thanks for the history lesson from you about past assassination attempts that I didn't need. You seem to be concerned about the wrong thing. There was an assassination attempt on a former President and the Republican candidate for the 2024 election. What happened after that is mostly irrelevant. That attempt on Trump's life should bother people regardless of their political bent. People like you should be very concerned about something that significant. You don't seem to be. Why?
Aktungbby
08-09-24, 01:21 PM
President Trump has been shot at more often than Tim Walz. :hmmm:...then both are guilty of 'stolen valor' as per Hillbilly Elegist, J.D. Vance; but he won't say anything against 'the Donald' whilst 'riding his coattails' into the White House.:yeah:... :oops:...gotta run; there's someone knocking on the front door!??:dead:
Buddahaid
08-09-24, 01:25 PM
President Trump has been shot at more often than Tim Walz. :hmmm:
I wouldn't try too hard at elevating Captain DJT Bonespurs over someone who gave over two decades more service than Vance. :hmmm:
Aktungbby
08-09-24, 01:31 PM
I wouldn't try too hard at elevating Captain DJT Bonespurs over someone who gave over two decades more service than Vance. :hmmm:..the Linda Vista Contiuum thinks alike! :O::arrgh!::Kaleun_Salute:
Jimbuna
08-09-24, 01:35 PM
I wouldn't try too hard at elevating Captain DJT Bonespurs over someone who gave over two decades more service than Vance. :hmmm:
I'm sure I once read somewhere there were four or five deferments but I also read it wasn't uncommon.
Buddahaid
08-09-24, 01:50 PM
I'm sure I once read somewhere there were four or five deferments but I also read it wasn't uncommon.
No, it wasn't, but it sticks in my gut when Captain DJT Bonespurs had the gall to say John McCain wasn't a hero because he was captured while doing all he could to dodge the draft.
Jimbuna
08-09-24, 01:52 PM
No, it wasn't, but it sticks in my gut when Captain DJT Bonespurs had the gall to say John McCain wasn't a hero because he was captured while doing all he could to dodge the draft.
Yeah I remember that and applauded his families decision telling Trump not to bother attending his funeral.
My father, an Army Master Sergeant, was due to retire in 1966 after 20 years of service but he extended his enlistment in order to go over to Vietnam with his unit. He completed his whole tour over there then retired after rotating back to the states.
Unlike the Democrat VP nominee, Pop didn't abandon his troops when they needed him the most. In the years after he came back from 'Nam until he passed away from Agent Orange cancer, Dad never once wore any insignia that he didn't earn or claimed to be a higher rank than he was.
To Democrats like Walz and John Kerry military service was only a bullet point on a resume. Both did the minimum necessary to establish that point and they both bailed early on their comrades.
I wouldn't try too hard at elevating Captain DJT Bonespurs over someone who gave over two decades more service than Vance. :hmmm:
Maybe you never served but to me and any other military veteran 20 years in the national guard stateside is not "elevated" over four years active service with a tour in a combat zone.
Bottom line here is one of them did a wartime deployment, the other quit the second that deployment became a possibility.
Is it so important whether a candidate have been in the military and if so having been in combat situation ?
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Buddahaid
08-09-24, 05:47 PM
Is it so important whether a candidate have been in the military and if so having been in combat situation ?
Markus
It is when one side has nothing but false claims of stolen valor to hang their fading MAGA hats on.
Is it so important whether a candidate have been in the military and if so having been in combat situation ?
Markus
To me it's definitely a plus for our leaders to have served in the military if they are going to have the power to send our people into war and it's even better if they have actually "seen the elephant" themselves.
em2nought
08-09-24, 07:22 PM
Is it so important whether a candidate have been in the military and if so having been in combat situation ?
Markus
You're missing the point. A cute girl said to me "you must have seen some stuff?", my reply was "No, I was stationed in Europe." I wouldn't even steal some valor for some good looking tail, and neither would any honorable veteran. Being stationed in Italy or Scotland is very different than being in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Carrying an M-14 around a base on Crete is very different than carrying a weapon of war in a war zone. Making it sound like you were in a war zone fighting for our country when you weren't is a real problem with many people.
Well thanks for your opinion but I could care less about Trump's or anybody else's reaction to the event. And thanks for the history lesson from you about past assassination attempts that I didn't need. You seem to be concerned about the wrong thing. There was an assassination attempt on a former President and the Republican candidate for the 2024 election. What happened after that is mostly irrelevant. That attempt on Trump's life should bother people regardless of their political bent. People like you should be very concerned about something that significant. You don't seem to be. Why?
Because I put the Butler situation into context and immediate scope, rather than claiming there is some sort of big picture; in the context of past such situations, Trump's is a blip, much like Ford's situations; I recall at the time of the two attacks on Ford, much jest was made of Ford over the incident owing to Ford's public image as a physically bumbling/tumbling oaf, and the attempts most certainly did not have any noticeable impact on Ford's run for the Presidency; and I also recall the two incidents barely merited more than a couple of news cycles; Trump's situation, as I pointed out before, is barely a notch above Ford's; he's certainly not in the league/severity of the Reagan attempt nor the fate that befell MLK, with whom Trump somehow seems to want to be compared; the Butler shooting Re; Trump is a non-issue; the Butler Shooting, however is an issue for those wounded in Trump's place and certainly a major issue for the family and loved ones of the murdered firefighter; Trump's grandstanding and attempt to co-opt the GoFundMe page for the victim's family by slapping his name on the fund while not contributing a single cent of his much vaunted wealth is just another example of the craven, self-centered lump of crap Trump really is, but, then what could be expected from someone who was found guilty of embezzling funds from a disabled veterans charity fund...?...
There is really very little "significance" to the shooting itself; it is now almost forgotten as the world has moved on; as for "bother"; well, if it makes you feel good to clutch at your pearls, go right ahead, all you want; the rest of us have bigger and better problems and concerns to deal with than Trump's little "owwie"...
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I'm sure I once read somewhere there were four or five deferments but I also read it wasn't uncommon.
Deferments were not uncommon, but they were more often than not unevenly applied; besides medical deferments, the most prevalent, during the Vietnam years, was the educational deferment, given to someone who was actively pursuing a recognized education; I got one, very briefly when I was in high school (I became of draft age in my senior year) and it was given out of hand with no need to apply; it was immediately changed to 1A status after I graduated high school; this is where one of the several forms of inequities came in; if you were fortunate enough to get a scholarship to college/university (which I did not begrudge those who earned it) you got a deferment if you were financially capable of paying your way through an accepting college/university, you got a deferment; however, if you were the poor sod who had neither the scholarship nor the individual/familial means to pay for school, you became cannon fodder; now, you could apply for a loan, but, back then, there wasn't really any student loan structure as there is today, so any other options were extremely limited (there was the case of my best friend in high school, a true genius in all senses, from a working class family, who not only got a scholarship to the most prestigious private university in SoCal, he also got it paid for by the US Navy on the condition that once he completed his pre-med education at university, he would attend medical school at Walter Reed Medical Center and serve as a doctor and officer for a specified number of years); that is a primary reason why so very many of the soldiers who served in Vietnam were from the lower levels of US economic society and so few were from the more affluent levels; the situation was part of the inspiration for the Creedence Clearwater song Fortunate Son...
Regarding Trump, the daughter of the doctor who wrote the notes leading to Captain Bonespurs' deferment has stated that her father told her he had written the notes as a favor to his friend, Trump's father and not necessarily because there was any substance to the "diagnosis"...
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u crank
08-10-24, 03:01 PM
There is really very little "significance" to the shooting itself; it is now almost forgotten as the world has moved on; as for "bother"; well, if it makes you feel good to clutch at your pearls, go right ahead, all you want; the rest of us have bigger and better problems and concerns to deal with than Trump's little "owwie"...
What, you are rating political assassinations now? Who would have thought it would be that blasé. If you think that political assassination, any political assassination is insignificant, good for you. What else do you have such a disconcerting view of? How about a military coup? Maybe a dictatorship instead of the democratic process? If anything out side of that democratic process is insignificant to you well it says a lot about your view of that process. If you don't mind though I'll take a slightly different view of that kind of thing.
What, you are rating political assassinations now? Who would have thought it would be that blasé. If you think that political assassination, any political assassination is insignificant, good for you. What else do you have such a disconcerting view of? How about a military coup? Maybe a dictatorship instead of the democratic process? If anything out side of that democratic process is insignificant to you well it says a lot about your view of that process. If you don't mind though I'll take a slightly different view of that kind of thing.
Oh, stop trying to put words in people's mouths; who knows where your words have been... :D
So you equate this failed assassination attempt with something as truly serious as a military coup or a dictatorship? As I said, the whole situation is really overblown by the pearl clutching Camille Trump supporters; their guy is no Reagan, RFK, JFK, or MLK, he's just a whining pile of crap who's trying to milk what is now in the rearview mirror for his own cons and grifts and in the belief it all will matter when Election Day comes along; do you really think many people will cast their vote, either for against Trump, heavily based on his "owwie"? You're putting way too much faith in an oversized bandage and a wound his doctor said didn't even require stitches...
.and, there are things, and people, and ideas outside of the democratic process that are significant and relevant and I do take them into consideration, in the degree they deserve to be considered; whatever news coverage the incident has been receiving has been more about the shooter than about Trump and his 'condition' (which has got to be really galling for him); however, I just can't find any interest in something that is already old news; I would suggest moving on, as the rest of us are doing; there are rather more important things in the world and in this country than an ear-nick...
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u crank
08-10-24, 06:00 PM
So you equate this failed assassination attempt with something as truly serious as a military coup or a dictatorship?
Yes. It is the exact opposite of the democratic process we should hold dear. It has nothing to do with Trump or the severity of the wound. That's your narrative not mine. It has everything to do with trying to subvert that democratic process with a violent non democratic means. Why you don't get that I cannot fathom.
..do you really think many people will cast their vote, either for against Trump, heavily based on his "owwie"? You're putting way too much faith in an oversized bandage and a wound his doctor said didn't even require stitches...
Again that is your narrative. I have not suggested or mentioned any such thing. Don't put words in my mouth.
I would suggest moving on, as the rest of us are doing; there are rather more important things in the world and in this country than an ear-nick..
You can stop talking about it anytime pal.
Maybe you never served but to me and any other military veteran 20 years in the national guard stateside is not "elevated" over four years active service with a tour in a combat zone.
Bottom line here is one of them did a wartime deployment, the other quit the second that deployment became a possibility.
I beg to differ. :yep:
I got to work for some enlisted folks who were either close to 20 years or beyond. Serving that long isn't easy. Basically, after 20 years (in the Navy) they had to present a good case of why they shouldn't retire. You might want to review how the Army/National Guard works in terms of seniority. :salute:
BTW, since you brought up the difference between 24 years enlisted and serving in a hot zone in an air conditioned office doing Public Affairs, why did JD Vance change his last name? :hmmm:
August, I'm just trying to warn you. Swiftboating Santa Claus usually backfires. :yep: Its a sign of desperation.
August, I'm just trying to warn you. Swiftboating Santa Claus usually backfires. :yep: Its a sign of desperation.
You see Tim Walz as Santa Claus? :doh:
You see Tim Walz as Santa Claus? :doh:
Well, let's see. :hmmm:
He gave school kids free breakfasts and lunch.
He gave adults legal weed.
Yeah, to me that sounds like Santa Claus. :yeah:
Well, let's see. :hmmm:
He gave school kids free breakfasts and lunch.
He gave adults legal weed.
Yeah, to me that sounds like Santa Claus. :yeah:
Santa wouldn't abandon his troops when they were going to war.
Buddahaid
08-10-24, 09:41 PM
Santa wouldn't abandon his troops when they were going to war.
You still believe? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
08-11-24, 11:00 AM
Regarding Trump, the daughter of the doctor who wrote the notes leading to Captain Bonespurs' deferment has stated that her father told her he had written the notes as a favor to his friend, Trump's father and not necessarily because there was any substance to the "diagnosis"...
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Yes I have previously read that and wasn't surprised one little bit.
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