Set of fleet command campaigns

[Mustang19]

Hi all,

Just thought I'd leave this here, set of old fleet command campaigns.

https://github.com/ingrahammark7/test/tree/master/fleetcommand

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Mustang19!:Kaleun_Salute:

[Onkel Neal]

Thanks, Mustang

[Mustang19]

This is the only forum that talks about fleet command. If there is interest I can release a campaign about the gulf war, won't have many subs though.

[Mustang19]

If anyone has an idea for a historical conflict they'd like me to simulate, let me know.

[Otto Harkaman]

tried opening one of your scenarios but couldn't. Using vanilla steam setup

[Mustang19]

tried opening one of your scenarios but couldn't. Using vanilla steam setup

Let me know which one. I can see them being slow but not opening at all and crashing to desktop is strange. I am also using steam fleet command with no mods or any other changes.

[Otto Harkaman]

Hi Mustang19, I realize now I was downloading the file wrong. It kept being a html file named like a scenario file, but it was because I ''saved as' the link. The Gulf War scenario is amazing but too much for my poor little computer.

Have you thought of doing a set of three scenarios that cover the Gulf of Sidra events USA vs Libya?

Gulf of Sidra incident (1981)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1981)

Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_in_the_Gulf_of_Sidra_(1986)

1989 air battle near Tobruk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_air_battle_near_Tobruk

[Mustang19]

Hi Mustang19, I realize now I was downloading the file wrong. It kept being a html file named like a scenario file, but it was because I ''saved as' the link. The Gulf War scenario is amazing but too much for my poor little computer.

Have you thought of doing a set of three scenarios that cover the Gulf of Sidra events USA vs Libya?

Gulf of Sidra incident (1981)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1981)

Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_in_the_Gulf_of_Sidra_(1986)

1989 air battle near Tobruk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_air_battle_near_Tobruk

Sure, I will make those. I have a Diablo canyon scenario in that repo as well you can see.

The gulf war scenario is very cpu intensive because I included everything, thousands of aircraft, all of the power plants and tanks, and the ziggurat of ur.

[Mustang19]

I have been looking for information on what ships were actually present in those engagements. I think I am going to have to piece it together from cruise books and various sources.

https://i.ibb.co/tzPG406/070.jpg

[Otto Harkaman]

I have a couple books I can look at also


https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41qI0tq+J2L.jpg

[Mustang19]

I have a couple books I can look at also


https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41qI0tq+J2L.jpg

I don't have that one. I think I can piece the fleet composition together but any help is appreciated. The Libyan Air Force composition and bases are easy to find.

[Mustang19]

https://i.ibb.co/WKBXBVW/B6924142-8-D48-4-E94-A163-85-F151251410.png

[Otto Harkaman]

https://i.ibb.co/WKBXBVW/B6924142-8-D48-4-E94-A163-85-F151251410.png


:up:

[Mustang19]

https://i.ibb.co/sK4vb6h/ACEE33-C0-FFE5-4838-A5-BD-0-F022-E2-A0-E84.png

This is the only one with the battle group listed. For the others I will guess. I can't find the kitty hawk 1989 batte group at all. If nobody can find it I will just use the Buchanan and holt listed on Wikipedia.

The Peterson, Caron, biddle and ainsworth are the only other ships I can find.

[Otto Harkaman]

Jane’s Fighting Ships 1988-89

https://archive.org/details/janesfightingshi8889shar

[Mustang19]

Jane’s Fighting Ships 1988-89

https://archive.org/details/janesfightingshi8889shar

Great book, unfortunately it does not list the deployments. It actually says the kitty hawk was in service life extension 1988-91 which is odd if it was in combat.

[Mustang19]

https://i.ibb.co/GJ4S5Wz/2501-AB78-57-DE-4-A53-A6-A1-E6-BDAA64-A13-C.jpg

I wish I had this.

[Mustang19]

https://i.ibb.co/64Q4QM6/73-DE971-C-CBB7-4580-9-E14-F6-EA8-C7-A42-F8.jpg

[Otto Harkaman]

Yeah as much of a big deal Gaddafi was during the '80s I can't find much about the conflicts with him.

[Mustang19]

https://github.com/ingrahammark7/test/blob/master/fleetcommand/sidra81..scu

Sidra 81!

[Otto Harkaman]

https://github.com/ingrahammark7/test/blob/master/fleetcommand/sidra81..scu

Sidra 81!


Checking it out right now!

[Mustang19]

Checking it out right now!

Take your time. I'm sure there's things you want to change. This is a complicated task of historical interpretation and making it work in a game.

[Otto Harkaman]

Wish it was easier to post pictures without a third party website.

I played about seven minutes into the scenario, had two elements of tomcats (AAW) and hornets (strike) up, was going to recover the viking if need to but posted it seaward since it had plenty of fuel and encase some seaborne attack. Only had a I think a J-8 appear after I attacked one of the airports on the western side of the gulf. I stopped there because we were having dinner. I'll try again this evening. Thanks for sharing!

[Mustang19]

Wish it was easier to post pictures without a third party website.

I played about seven minutes into the scenario, had two elements of tomcats (AAW) and hornets (strike) up, was going to recover the viking if need to but posted it seaward since it had plenty of fuel and encase some seaborne attack. Only had a I think a J-8 appear after I attacked one of the airports on the western side of the gulf. I stopped there because we were having dinner. I'll try again this evening. Thanks for sharing!

Unfortunately fleet command does not have floggers and the closest equivalent aircraft (third generation, BVR, eastern) fighter is the finback. Let me know if you have a better solution.

The ROE in the scenario is up to you, in 1981 they did not go around bombing airbases and if you do nothing the fitters will launch at their historic time.

[Otto Harkaman]

Unfortunately fleet command does not have floggers and the closest equivalent aircraft (third generation, BVR, eastern) fighter is the finback. Let me know if you have a better solution.

The ROE in the scenario is up to you, in 1981 they did not go around bombing airbases and if you do nothing the fitters will launch at their historic time.


Thanks for making this scenario. I think I had just completed the "shore bombardment" scenario so I wasn't thinking about the ROE. :hmmm:

[Mustang19]

Thanks for making this scenario. I think I had just completed the "shore bombardment" scenario so I wasn't thinking about the ROE. :hmmm:

The two major airports (Tripoli and Benina) have pretty good air defenses and they shouldn't be easily attackable. In the game they are because one tomahawk will kill everything but historically it would take a lot of effort.

If you do want to blow everything up there is a dorado canyon scenario like I said

[Mustang19]

https://github.com/ingrahammark7/test/blob/master/fleetcommand/sidra86.scu

Sidra 86.

The remaining scenario is trivial, its just kennedy versus two migs.

[Otto Harkaman]

Sent the viking home right away.

Didn't know what to expect probing with prowler and two hornets, tomcats on call

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572338921590226954/995150631948013649/01.jpg

Ooops, call backup
lost one of the probing hornets, downed pilot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572338921590226954/995150632287739935/02.jpg

[Otto Harkaman]

https://github.com/ingrahammark7/test/blob/master/fleetcommand/sidra86.scu

Sidra 86.

The remaining scenario is trivial, its just kennedy versus two migs.


:up:

[Mustang19]

Sent the viking home right away.

Didn't know what to expect probing with prowler and two hornets, tomcats on call

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572338921590226954/995150631948013649/01.jpg

Ooops, call backup
lost one of the probing hornets, downed pilot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572338921590226954/995150632287739935/02.jpg

Cool!

Make sure to have CAP. Floggers will sink your carrier if you're not watching.

Historically they had Knox and Sherman class escorts, but their air defenses are just ESSM and guns. If Libya really tried they could have bombed the carriers. I did not give them backfires.

[Otto Harkaman]

:rock:
https://youtu.be/yNG3tjwwsi4

[Mustang19]

I will make the kennedy scenario if theres a request but its just going to be two floggers, its a reduced from of these other scenarios.

I don't care if there is replies, I will keep posting scenarios I make. I am thinking of a submarine scenario but the submarines in FC are detected easily. Maybe I could make some sort of submarine reconassaince scenario for historic parts of the cold war.

[Otto Harkaman]

There was a series of military techno thrillers written around the time of the game's development that I think would make interesting scenarios.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51suJ+vf47L.SX316.SY480._SL500_.jpg

https://www.fantasticfiction.com/d/keith-douglass/carrier/

[Otto Harkaman]

https://github.com/ingrahammark7/test/blob/master/fleetcommand/sidra86.scu

Sidra 86.

The remaining scenario is trivial, its just kennedy versus two migs.


Have it loaded but haven't tried it yet. Still having fun trying you first scenario :up:

[Mustang19]

There was a series of military techno thrillers written around the time of the game's development that I think would make interesting scenarios.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51suJ+vf47L.SX316.SY480._SL500_.jpg

https://www.fantasticfiction.com/d/keith-douglass/carrier/

I remember those novels- will try them.

The later novels have invisible ninjas and mini subs but there are aspects of the earlier novels that would work.

[Mustang19]

I have a plan to add all the airports, warehouses, train stations, hospitals, telecom buildings, cranes, factories and power plants, will take a few years.

[Otto Harkaman]

https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/missions-du-06-avril-2011-6.jpg

Operation Odyssey Dawn
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/odyssey-dawn.htm
https://theaviationist.com/2011/03/20/operation-odyssey-dawn-explained/


https://alchetron.com/cdn/operation-odyssey-dawn-3abc5f60-9fb2-4942-881d-46b96b6809d-resize-750.png

http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2011/03/X10360730/X10360730-0.jpg

https://alchetron.com/cdn/operation-odyssey-dawn-2b981a66-b9a5-4c53-8ebb-c39a5c9488f-resize-750.jpeg

[Mustang19]

https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/missions-du-06-avril-2011-6.jpg

Operation Odyssey Dawn
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/odyssey-dawn.htm
https://theaviationist.com/2011/03/20/operation-odyssey-dawn-explained/


https://alchetron.com/cdn/operation-odyssey-dawn-3abc5f60-9fb2-4942-881d-46b96b6809d-resize-750.png

http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2011/03/X10360730/X10360730-0.jpg

https://alchetron.com/cdn/operation-odyssey-dawn-2b981a66-b9a5-4c53-8ebb-c39a5c9488f-resize-750.jpeg

Awesome. I will do that as well. As Libya already has minimal infrastructure I can use the scenarios I already made.

I've been doing some benchmarking. I find that fleet command will handle two carrier groups before crashing. It can handle more if all the planes die at the start.

Even the scenario in the typhoon novel would be a cpu hog. I have no problem, just saying. 50 flankers vs 2 tomcats is fine, if both sides used their entire force it would take some cpu.

[Otto Harkaman]

I have Command Modern Operations as well, I've only scratched the surface.

I'm just taking Fleet Command for what it is, a twenty year old program, fun to do some small scenarios.

Perhaps you could break down Operation Odyssey into several different scenarios?

[Mustang19]

I have Command Modern Operations as well, I've only scratched the surface.

I'm just taking Fleet Command for what it is, a twenty year old program, fun to do some small scenarios.

Perhaps you could break down Operation Odyssey into several different scenarios?

It's not a problem at all, odyssey dawn was only a hundred or so aircraft. If the enemy is mostly passive and defending the cpu will handle a lot more which is why the gulf war scenario worked.

CMO has a significantly lower unit limit, no gulf war scenario for example.

[Mustang19]

It's not actually possible to fit goia del colle and Libya on the same map in fleet command but it's good enough.

https://i.ibb.co/4sR3zPk/D4-E26-C96-C178-400-A-A61-B-E276-CB0426-DA.jpg

[Otto Harkaman]

Just out of curiosity, have you manually manipulated the mission files? I noticed some is in text, is the map choice and size in code or text?

at the top of you first scenario there is a line

LATLONG 30.461088 17.725067
;

At the end of the file it says a line like bitmap and what looks like code

* Interesting reading that Libya had lost support of Mirages because of its war with Chad

[Mustang19]

Just out of curiosity, have you manually manipulated the mission files? I noticed some is in text, is the map choice and size in code or text?

at the top of you first scenario there is a line

LATLONG 30.461088 17.725067
;

At the end of the file it says a line like bitmap and what looks like code

* Interesting reading that Libya had lost support of Mirages because of its war with Chad

I didn't edit the text. That information is in every mission file.

Latlong tells the coordinates of the map, the color of the bitmap array tells the game what the terrain is, and the rest of the mission file is the list of unit information.

I could build a program to mass text edit multiple missions, add GIS information and all the civilian objects. However that would kill your CPU anyway as it would be thousands of objects. As fleet command fully simulated every object (treats a tent as a fighter jet with sighting, threat value, orders etc) it will use a lot of cpu even rendering static objects. This is the only shortcoming of the engine, otherwise it could render millions of objects.

However for now I'm just manually adding everything in the mission editor.

[Mustang19]

2007 wikipedia.

https://i.ibb.co/QjXkF3p/DCD960-BD-08-F7-4242-8-E98-2-EACAAC50529.png

[Mustang19]

I think it's fair to give them ten floggers. The rest will be paper strength. They will have a much more capable air force than historically because I'm going by Wikipedia.

[Otto Harkaman]

Libyan forces for Operation Odyssey Dawn from The Military Balance 2010 & 2011
-first two page images 2010, rest 2011. I wasn't sure if the Libyan forces would show the effect of operations in 2011 so I included 2010

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/557676573419896843/999828205999505599/Libya_The_Military_Balance_2010_Page_1.jpghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/557676573419896843/999828206322450452/Libya_The_Military_Balance_2010_Page_2.jpghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/557676573419896843/999828206695751730/Libya_The_Military_Balance_2011_Page_1.jpghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/557676573419896843/999828207069048923/Libya_The_Military_Balance_2011_Page_2.jpg

[Mustang19]

Libyan forces for Operation Odyssey Dawn from The Military Balance age_2.jpg[/IMG]

Great information. That's a lot of forces. If Libya has 7 blinders it could sink a carrier. I was thinking of not including the blinders because they were never operational after chad and never fired cruise missiles. If you want I can add them.

The western carriers come with tomcats in the game. But excluding that if we go by the paper forces then the Libyan Air Force would be extremely strong, combined with its air defenses. Historically it was nothing.

There were approximately 7 floggers destroyed (5 on the ground by France and 2 by air defenses), which I am using as the Libyan strength.

[Otto Harkaman]

Great information. That's a lot of forces. If Libya has 7 blinders it could sink a carrier. I was thinking of not including the blinders because they were never operational after chad and never fired cruise missiles. If you want I can add them.

The western carriers come with tomcats in the game. But excluding that if we go by the paper forces then the Libyan Air Force would be extremely strong, combined with its air defenses. Historically it was nothing.

There were approximately 7 floggers destroyed (5 on the ground by France and 2 by air defenses), which I am using as the Libyan strength.

Well I would wish that your scenario would be a playable challenge, while learning a bit of history. I suppose I would rather enjoy playing against Libya's paper strength maybe a couple blinders and even by some miracle they got a sub or two working. Have you done anything with random groups? Maybe each time you play the scenario these things might be different?

[Mustang19]

Well I would wish that your scenario would be a playable challenge, while learning a bit of history. I suppose I would rather enjoy playing against Libya's paper strength maybe a couple blinders and even by some miracle they got a sub or two working. Have you done anything with random groups? Maybe each time you play the scenario these things might be different?

That's a good idea. The random groups only work for surface vessels but I will implement them. Certainly plausible they could put a sub together and some missile boats, which will kill a carrier if you're not paying attention.

As a challenge you should try to accomplish the objectives as fast as they historically did. The mavericks in the game are actually 15 mile range, JSOW kind of weapons. Anyone can kill sams from far away, the challenge is getting it done quickly and prioritizing. In reality they did not have hundreds of JSOWs with perfect detection of SAMs and it would be harder.

I agree with the idea to make a challenging scenario based on paper strength (the strength listed in sources). Libya will have a real Air Force in that case.

[Mustang19]

Just to show how sams work in the game, I made a scenario a while ago.

https://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4602932/fleer-command-ww3-northern-europe#Post4602932

The sa 6 in the game has a ten mile range. To simulate grumbles you need to use a Russian cruiser (on land!) and use the naval sams. The Russian air defenses become much more capable, extremely hard to engage.

So far I have not needed to make any db edits, this is all possible within the game.

[Otto Harkaman]

Just to show how sams work in the game, I made a scenario a while ago.

https://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4602932/fleer-command-ww3-northern-europe#Post4602932

The sa 6 in the game has a ten mile range. To simulate grumbles you need to use a Russian cruiser (on land!) and use the naval sams. The Russian air defenses become much more capable, extremely hard to engage.

So far I have not needed to make any db edits, this is all possible within the game.


work today so I will check out tonight :salute:

[Mustang19]

work today so I will check out tonight :salute:

It is a very basic scenario, not asking anyone to check it.

[Mustang19]

https://i.ibb.co/rF9vxWc/7581442-F-6-A20-4712-9311-49-B2-E9-E4-DE50.png
https://i.ibb.co/HPnQRDs/827-FF15-F-B29-B-43-B6-A95-C-0-DF0-D26-F1-CFB.png
https://i.ibb.co/42mbjkk/8-EE3-ECCA-724-F-4383-8-A85-77661803-AF2-E.png
https://i.ibb.co/jTWdT4g/92-EB9010-343-F-42-CE-ABDD-B96-FBBEF9176.png
https://i.ibb.co/MC8269N/968-C8217-53-BB-4675-B6-BF-2506023356-AA.png
https://i.ibb.co/wc8Wymj/EC13-BF9-C-0114-4-EFE-886-B-A5242-C7-A9786.png

[Mustang19]

https://i.ibb.co/2vB2jJj/74-A42-CD0-FA37-46-DC-B871-5077-A4-F87-EDC.png
https://i.ibb.co/R3yx3Hf/8-B0-CDAE3-CCFE-4-DD0-94-DC-F103869-B7092.png

[Mustang19]

Fleet command doesn't actually have ground attack light jets. In the Kabul 1994 scenario I used Vikings. They can at least scout and draw fire.

Closest equivalent to the g2 Galeb I believe would be the a-4m in the game, or just nothing. The g4 Galeb had missile mounts and was a fully capable dogfighter.

[Mustang19]

https://i.ibb.co/rQnfRgW/4-A535-CBD-9-F9-E-4916-9-DAD-46428-D3-B77-D5.png

[Otto Harkaman]

Fleet command doesn't actually have ground attack light jets. In the Kabul 1994 scenario I used Vikings. They can at least scout and draw fire.

Closest equivalent to the g2 Galeb I believe would be the a-4m in the game, or just nothing. The g4 Galeb had missile mounts and was a fully capable dogfighter.


Libyan Air Force aircraft warplane Galeb shot down by French fighter jets over cityi Misrata 2403113

Posted On Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:19
https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2011/march/Galeb_warplane_Libya_Libyan_air_force_001.jpg



The coalition has had total control of the skies the last few days. Africa Command's Gen. Carter F. Ham said on Monday that no Libyan planes had flown since the start of the operations on Saturday. The Tomahawk missile strikes have effectively degraded Libyan air defenses to the point that the coalition has not even recorded any radar activity coming from Libya.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/libya_conflict_day_by_day_news_pictures_video_uk/libyan_air_force_aircraft_warplane_galeb_shot_down _by_french_fighter_jets_over_cityi_misrata_2403113 .html

[Mustang19]

I wish there was a way to add the Galeb, but there is no way to just make a plane that does nothing.

I have enough information, I am just adding units now, will take a long time.

[Mustang19]

I have a tentative version I can put up on the GitHub repo I gave.