NYGM - Chronometer not visible (but working) & a few other things

[yagura]

**EDIT: Solved - Optics/widescreen mods were causing scaling issues etc.**

Hello, sorry if this has already been discussed in the sticky or elsewhere, but I did try to search for the answer for a good while before posting this.

I am a new NYGM player and noticed that the chronometer, which is available in the UZO and periscope views, is not visible. I can only see a light-colored blob which I can only assume is supposed to be the reflection of the watch. When I click on the correct area near that blob I can hear the chronometer start ticking and I can similarly click it again to stop it. Sometimes I am able to move that blob around, which is probably moving the entire chronometer.

https://i.imgur.com/h3jmjAf.jpeg

On top of this I am unsure whether or not what I see on screen is in the correct aspect and size. The dials and text boxes at the bottom seem small. And e.g. the UZO view is not centered (I understand it might not be possible to do so.)

Also, my limited testing suggests that ships on the horizon are not as hull-down as they should be sometimes; multiple times I have seen far-away ships "floating in the air" a little above the water. I know from forum posts here and the documentation provided with the mods that this should have been fixed already, but have also read that there might still be something that causes the ships to float like this. Is there a simple way to edit this? I have read something about modifying EarthRadius in scene.dat to adjust this, but am uncertain about how it works.

My JSGME activated mods:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
Supplement to V16B1 (I am using h.sie & Stiebler's fixes)
Hitman Optics NYGM 3.6 (Fixed)
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
WYGM

Any ideas on how to make the chronometer fully visible, and whether or not what I am seeing on-screen seems to be correct in terms of size/visibility? What about the ships on the horizon floating?

Bonus question #1: while I was doing the installations of the mods for the first time, I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the Model effects option found in SH3Commander for malfunctions/sabotage does not work with NYGM. Try as I might I have not found the document/post saying so again. Any confirmation about it working or not? As far as I know, Use fatigue model, Adjust water clarity & Randomise ship tonnage should not be used and the deck gun reload times should be set to 15 seconds.

Bonus #2: you may also give suggestions for mods and settings to play with in NYGM; I am a SH5 Wolves of Steel player, and am very new to NYGM. My PC is not outdated, so visuals and such should be fine to suggest too, e.g. was considering looking into SH5 Water for SH3.

Thanks in advance! :salute: :subsim:

[John Pancoast]

Hello, sorry if this has already been discussed in the sticky or elsewhere, but I did try to search for the answer for a good while before posting this.

I am a new NYGM player and noticed that the chronometer, which is available in the UZO and periscope views, is not visible. I can only see a light-colored blob which I can only assume is supposed to be the reflection of the watch. When I click on the correct area near that blob I can hear the chronometer start ticking and I can similarly click it again to stop it. Sometimes I am able to move that blob around, which is probably moving the entire chronometer.



On top of this I am unsure whether or not what I see on screen is in the correct aspect and size. The dials and text boxes at the bottom seem small. And e.g. the UZO view is not centered (I understand it might not be possible to do so.)

Also, my limited testing suggests that ships on the horizon are not as hull-down as they should be sometimes; multiple times I have seen far-away ships "floating in the air" a little above the water. I know from forum posts here and the documentation provided with the mods that this should have been fixed already, but have also read that there might still be something that causes the ships to float like this. Is there a simple way to edit this? I have read something about modifying EarthRadius in scene.dat to adjust this, but am uncertain about how it works.

My JSGME activated mods:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
Supplement to V16B1 (I am using h.sie & Stiebler's fixes)
Hitman Optics NYGM 3.6 (Fixed)
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
WYGM

Any ideas on how to make the chronometer fully visible, and whether or not what I am seeing on-screen seems to be correct in terms of size/visibility? What about the ships on the horizon floating?

Bonus question #1: while I was doing the installations of the mods for the first time, I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the Model effects option found in SH3Commander for malfunctions/sabotage does not work with NYGM. Try as I might I have not found the document/post saying so again. Any confirmation about it working or not? As far as I know, Use fatigue model, Adjust water clarity & Randomise ship tonnage should not be used and the deck gun reload times should be set to 15 seconds.

Bonus #2: you may also give suggestions for mods and settings to play with in NYGM; I am a SH5 Wolves of Steel player, and am very new to NYGM. My PC is not outdated, so visuals and such should be fine to suggest too, e.g. was considering looking into SH5 Water for SH3.

Thanks in advance! :salute: :subsim:
1. You're mod application order is not correct. The IABL and WYGM mods need to go immediately after the NYGM 2017 mod.
2. You are using two optics mod that are conflicting with each other; Hitman's and the WYGM. That is the root of your graphics problem. Pick one or the other. Hitman's is not wide screen if that matters.
3. Bonus 1 info.: Do not use the malfunctions/sabotage option of Commander with NYGM. I can go into why if desired.
Anything else can be used.
4. Bonus 2 info: I'll let others answer. Everyone's tastes are different.

[Mad Mardigan]

On the deck gun firing rate... believe the fire rate for the 88 milimeter or 8.8 cm, was 14-15 rounds per minute... which would give a fire rate of about 1 shot, per every 4 seconds... on the 105 milimeter or 10.5 cm deck gun, believe it was about 11-12 per minute, which would be hmm... about 5-6 seconds rate per round.

Now, given that at that rate... coupled with the accuracy or lack thereof, on gun fire... would likely burn through the ammo stores, rather quickly.

What I did, was to set the rate of fire for the 88, to 1 every 6 seconds & on the 105, to a rate of 1 per every 10.

But... that's just what I set it to. Could very well, make it 8 on the 88 & 12 on the 105.

With those rates, it makes sense, when you consider that the weight of the shells & the 88 being a tad lighter in the loafers, as it were, in comparison to the 105's weight... so it makes sense that the rate of fire, would reflect that.

Meaning that the 88 would be a bit faster to reload & fire compared to the fire rate on the 105.

Hope this info helps... :shucks: :yep: :up:

:Kaleun_Salute:

M. M.

[Mister_M]

Also, my limited testing suggests that ships on the horizon are not as hull-down as they should be sometimes; multiple times I have seen far-away ships "floating in the air" a little above the water. I know from forum posts here and the documentation provided with the mods that this should have been fixed already, but have also read that there might still be something that causes the ships to float like this. Is there a simple way to edit this? I have read something about modifying EarthRadius in scene.dat to adjust this, but am uncertain about how it works.

The Earth is flat in SH3 (the 3D terrain is the same as the navigation map). The ships on the horizon are not floating in the air. It is an optic illusion created by the fact that the fog's color is the same as the sky, so the water is hidden by fog and you think that it's the sky...

Environmental aspect is very limited in SH3, and very few can be done to correct this... You could change the fog's color, the fog 3D model, and/or the fog distance on sea parameters... A lot of testings (trials & errors) are needed to find a result which will always have drawbacks... :/\\!!

[yagura]

1. You're mod application order is not correct. The IABL and WYGM mods need to go immediately after the NYGM 2017 mod.
2. You are using two optics mod that are conflicting with each other; Hitman's and the WYGM. That is the root of your graphics problem. Pick one or the other. Hitman's is not wide screen if that matters.


I changed the mods accordingly but the views are the same (maybe as they are supposed to be) and the chronometer is still missing (although clickable with the ticking starting after click.)

Activated mods list this time:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
WYGM
Supplement to V16B1

I do not have the subsim post at hand, but the mod order I posted earlier was based on one I believe Stiebler was using and had posted some time ago (could be quite old.) I will possibly try to find that post later.

P.S. I occasionally get crash-to-desktop when loading the main menu, and very rarely when initializing the game world. Maybe there is a small chance I did some of the SH3.exe patching or something incorrectly, or something went wrong with it for some other reason. :hmmm: The game seems to work just fine when it does not get those crashes in the beginning though.


3. Bonus 1 info.: Do not use the malfunctions/sabotage option of Commander with NYGM. I can go into why if desired.
Anything else can be used.

Please do tell more if you like! I am interested.
Thanks also to Mad Mardigan and Mister_M for your answers! :Kaleun_Salute:

[John Pancoast]

I changed the mods accordingly but the views are the same (maybe as they are supposed to be) and the chronometer is still missing (although clickable with the ticking starting after click.)

Activated mods list this time:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
WYGM
Supplement to V16B1

I do not have the subsim post at hand, but the mod order I posted earlier was based on one I believe Stiebler was using and had posted some time ago (could be quite old.) I will possibly try to find that post later.

P.S. I occasionally get crash-to-desktop when loading the main menu, and very rarely when initializing the game world. Maybe there is a small chance I did some of the SH3.exe patching or something incorrectly, or something went wrong with it for some other reason. :hmmm: The game seems to work just fine when it does not get those crashes in the beginning though.



Please do tell more if you like! I am interested.
Thanks also to Mad Mardigan and Mister_M for your answers! :Kaleun_Salute:


Almost everytime one has the problems you're describing, it is because of conflicts/overwriting with the menu_1024_768.ini file. It is what controls a large part of what you see in the game and where on the screen it is.

If when activating your mods you notice it being written over, that needs to be looked at.
As said earlier, I can guarantee you that the Hitman's Optics and WYGM mods conflict with each other, i.e.
A good test you can do is apply each mod ONE AT A TIME, starting and trying the game each time.
When the problems you list start, that tells you what mod is the problem.

[John Pancoast]

Regarding the malfunctions/sabotage function not being used in NYGM: that is because the Commander file that does that function, randomizedevents.cfg found in the Commander cfg folder, uses hex offsets on SH3 game files to activatate the malfunction/sabotage functions. See the randomizedevents file for examples.

The randomizedevents.cfg file that comes with Commander is based on version 1.4 of the game, including the above hex offsets.
A megamod such as NYGM changes these hex offsets. So unless the mod maker(s) include updated hex offsets for the randomizedevents.cfg file in Commander, Commander will be using the incorrect offsets when activating the malfunction/sabotage option.
Doing that can cause problems with the game files and gameplay.
NYGM did not update these offsets with their Commander files, thus the recommmendation to not use the malfunction/sabotage option in Commander.

[FUBAR295]

Link for correct load out of NYGM ;

https://www.subsim.com/mods1/nygm/

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

[Jeff-Groves]

That link don't work.
Takes me to the page but can't download the Commander files.

[FUBAR295]

Thanks Jeff.

Hmmmm .... :hmmm: It's working for me.:doh:

Let me make a screen shot and post.

[FUBAR295]

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[yagura]

Almost everytime one has the problems you're describing, it is because of conflicts/overwriting with the menu_1024_768.ini file. It is what controls a large part of what you see in the game and where on the screen it is.

If when activating your mods you notice it being written over, that needs to be looked at.
As said earlier, I can guarantee you that the Hitman's Optics and WYGM mods conflict with each other, i.e.
A good test you can do is apply each mod ONE AT A TIME, starting and trying the game each time.
When the problems you list start, that tells you what mod is the problem.

Alright! Simply removed both WYGM and Hitman's Optics, fantastic! It looks great and the chronometer is there, the game feels much more like how I remember vanilla being. The periscope & map views and such all scale nice and large. Thanks! :salute:

That link don't work.
Takes me to the page but can't download the Commander files.

I downloaded most of the needed stuff from there successfully, but I needed to right-click the link and select 'Copy link (address?)' and manually paste that copied address into a new tab in my browser to make the download start. For some reason, left-clicking the links did not work for me. I downloaded all those files ~2 days ago so it should still be all OK!

[John Pancoast]

Alright! Simply removed both WYGM and Hitman's Optics, fantastic! It looks great and the chronometer is there, the game feels much more like how I remember vanilla being. The periscope & map views and such all scale nice and large. Thanks! :salute:



I downloaded most of the needed stuff from there successfully, but I needed to right-click the link and select 'Copy link (address?)' and manually paste that copied address into a new tab in my browser to make the download start. For some reason, left-clicking the links did not work for me. I downloaded all those files ~2 days ago so it should still be all OK!


Glad to hear it. You can use Hitman's Optics (one of my favorites) OR the WYGM mod.
You just CANNOT use both.

[John Pancoast]

I just noticed this in your mods list: Supplement to V16B1 (I am using h.sie & Stiebler's fixes)
If this means you enabled some of Stiebler's patches via the options selector then that is incomplete too.
Let me know if you are using some of Stiebler's patches per options selector and I'll list what else you need to do to make them work correctly in the game.

[yagura]

Let me know if you are using some of Stiebler's patches per options selector and I'll list what else you need to do to make them work correctly in the game.

When I used Hsie Option Selector I had everything checked on except Wolfpk less contact reports & Bad Weather Fix. I followed these instructions:

2. If you ARE using H.sie's hardware fix.
You will need to activate the correct EnvSim file as follows:

a) Use the Options Selector provided with the H.sie V16B1 package to switch OFF H.sie's Bad Weather Fix in your SH3.exe file. Place your newly created SH3.exe file in this folder (EnvSimAct_10), where you can see the two envsim files mentioned above.

b) Rename EnvSim.act to EnvSim.acx (this means it will not be recognised by Silent Hunter III.).
c) Rename EnvSim_HsieFix.acx to EnvSim.act

d) ... Alternatively, copy across both the new EnvSim.act file and your new SH3.exe into your folder \Ubisoft\SilentHunterIII\, where it will replace the original version.

Note that, as per instruction d), I decided to copy and replace the .act and .exe files, instead of activating them via JSGME. The Supplement to V16B1 in my JSGME activated mods list is done according to the related documentation (Readme_V16B1.pdf) and the tests contained within that document (menu version number, new messages, wolfpack communications) were all OK. Weather has seemed normal/good too. Sorry if any of the info was confusing.

As for Hitman's Optics, I might be interested in getting that to work still but it seemed like both it and WYGM were giving me trouble with the views. But I will test that some more later on. Sound mods and some visual things might be nice too; an attack disc seems like a must-have for me. :haha:

[John Pancoast]

When I used Hsie Option Selector I had everything checked on except Wolfpk less contact reports & Bad Weather Fix. I followed these instructions:



Note that, as per instruction d), I decided to copy and replace the .act and .exe files, instead of activating them via JSGME. The Supplement to V16B1 in my JSGME activated mods list is done according to the related documentation (Readme_V16B1.pdf) and the tests contained within that document (menu version number, new messages, wolfpack communications) were all OK. Weather has seemed normal/good too. Sorry if any of the info was confusing.

As for Hitman's Optics, I might be interested in getting that to work still but it seemed like both it and WYGM were giving me trouble with the views. But I will test that some more later on. Sound mods and some visual things might be nice too; an attack disc seems like a must-have for me. :haha:


Ok as long as you didn't apply any of the patches from Stiebler's section of the option selector you should be alright.
However, you really should always use JSGME to apply any mod and I also would recommend using the Wolfpack less contact reports option.
It can take a long time to get a pack sorted out even with this option, let alone without it.

[yagura]

you really should always use JSGME to apply any mod and I also would recommend using the Wolfpack less contact reports option.
It can take a long time to get a pack sorted out even with this option, let alone without it.

Alright, I am planning on uninstalling all the mods and the game (SH3Commander is rollbacked) and redoing it all via JSGME + with the Wolfpack less contact reports. While making sure I did not miss some uninstallation instructions I noticed this in the NYGM3_6F documentation:

IMPORTANT NOTE FOR NYGM USERS: the latest Stiebler hard-code fix, version 4C, provides special Anvart-made turms that also mount both fixed and rotatable radars correctly. Owing to the impossibility of maintaining mod compatibility across NYGM and other super-mods, players of NYGM SHOULD NOT NOW USE the Anvart-Stiebler patch provided with the Stiebler hard-code fix 4C. Instead, download and install from the NYGM website at SubSim this patch: Stiebler4C_SubsFlag (put together by Tycho).

Do you have any knowledge about that?

I am also probably going to try out "Makman's Final GUI" (not sure if this is the correct name) mainly due to a specific periscope sight and the attack disc that should be contained within it. Do you think most of the mods related to that will be activated in JSGME after the NYGM and IABL mods?

Also if you have any general knowledge about the order of activating sound mods or mods that alter e.g. crew clothes, interiors, and other visuals I would be thankful for any notes.

[John Pancoast]

Alright, I am planning on uninstalling all the mods and the game (SH3Commander is rollbacked) and redoing it all via JSGME + with the Wolfpack less contact reports. While making sure I did not miss some uninstallation instructions I noticed this in the NYGM3_6F documentation:



Do you have any knowledge about that?

I am also probably going to try out "Makman's Final GUI" (not sure if this is the correct name) mainly due to a specific periscope sight and the attack disc that should be contained within it. Do you think most of the mods related to that will be activated in JSGME after the NYGM and IABL mods?

Also if you have any general knowledge about the order of activating sound mods or mods that alter e.g. crew clothes, interiors, and other visuals I would be thankful for any notes.


- You may disregard the 3_6f reference as all that is mentioned in it was incorporated into a later version(s) of NYGM which you already have. I.e., notice that info. has a 3_6 heading but it is a found in version 3_6f documentation. You can control the flag via shift-f and ctrl-f but a watch officer must be on the bridge to do so.
I never use radar but search the commands*.cfg file for what keys control that. Found in path game\data\cfg

- I've never used that GUI but *any* mods you add should be added *after* the NYGM and IABL mods. See the GUI's instructions for specifics on how to appy it.
Also, in general you will always want to apply H.sie's patch last.

- In general you can apply sound, etc. mods in any order you wish. Just look for conflicts with each other/other mods when applying them with JSGME.
When there is a conflict between mods when using JSGME you will get a dialog box with a notice of it, asking you if you want to continue.

[yagura]

Also, in general you will always want to apply H.sie's patch last.

Hello John. I reinstalled the game and the mods. It has run OK once already (will be testing some more right now) but I am a little uncertain about the mod list and its order. I tried to do everything via JSGME now; I followed the instructions as well as I could (it is a bit confusing with all the patched .exe that you need to copy and place in specific locations) and tried to activate everything via JSGME instead of the copy-and-replace I did earlier.

This time around I also had the newer Option Selector, with Stiebler's fixes available as its own button (previous attempt did not have this.) In it I had everything else checked, including Stiebler's, except: Realistic Repair Time(documentation says incompatible with NYGM, which has its own) and Bad Weather Fix(I think this needs to be off for some of Stiebler's fixes, right?). Additionally there was an option that was turned off by default named Diesel Damage Fix which I turned on, not sure if that is OK but I found nothing stating otherwise. I also set both Oxygen meters to 2.0, one being 2.5 initially.

I have some confusion about the order especially due to some documentation:

The mod that copies last is the one that is used.

This EnvSim_10 mod folder should always be the LAST mod installed with JSGME.

For example if you have Stiebler_4C_Revised hard-code package installed on top of the H.sie patch (it must always be installed after the H.sie patch), then the EnvSim_10 mod MUST follow after the Stiebler_4C_Revised mod

a. Copy your individualized Supplement-Mod into the MODS folder of your sh3-
installation

b. Activate it using JSGME as the last one - after all other Mods. File conflicts regarding files de_menu.txt, en_menu.txt and Campaign_SCR.mis can be ignored.

So is my activated mods list ok then, with EnvSimAct_10 after Stiebler4C? How about the Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME) which comes with the H.Sie patch if I recall correctly?

If it is of any use I noted that the "Smoke on the horizon!" modification mentioned in Stiebler4C documentation worked, I heard/saw that message for the first time (that 4C was not in use a day or two ago.) I have not tested the messages and wolfpacks yet.

Current JSGME activated mods, once crashed on loading, once played OK:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1
Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME)
EnvSimAct_10

[John Pancoast]

Hello John. I reinstalled the game and the mods. It has run OK once already (will be testing some more right now) but I am a little uncertain about the mod list and its order. I tried to do everything via JSGME now; I followed the instructions as well as I could (it is a bit confusing with all the patched .exe that you need to copy and place in specific locations) and tried to activate everything via JSGME instead of the copy-and-replace I did earlier.

This time around I also had the newer Option Selector, with Stiebler's fixes available as its own button (previous attempt did not have this.) In it I had everything else checked, including Stiebler's, except: Realistic Repair Time(documentation says incompatible with NYGM, which has its own) and Bad Weather Fix(I think this needs to be off for some of Stiebler's fixes, right?). Additionally there was an option that was turned off by default named Diesel Damage Fix which I turned on, not sure if that is OK but I found nothing stating otherwise. I also set both Oxygen meters to 2.0, one being 2.5 initially.

I have some confusion about the order especially due to some documentation:





So is my activated mods list ok then, with EnvSimAct_10 after Stiebler4C? How about the Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME) which comes with the H.Sie patch if I recall correctly?

If it is of any use I noted that the "Smoke on the horizon!" modification mentioned in Stiebler4C documentation worked, I heard/saw that message for the first time (that 4C was not in use a day or two ago.) I have not tested the messages and wolfpacks yet.

Current JSGME activated mods, once crashed on loading, once played OK:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1
Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME)
EnvSimAct_10


Hello;
- Use the "Bad Weather Fix" option only if you want to use H.sie's weather file instead of Stiebler's. Either weather file will work but with a 16k environment such as NYGM, you MUST use one or the other; no others. Reason being is because only these two weather files are coded to make the night vision fix work correctly. No others are.
Which one to use is strictly personal preference. They both do the job weather-wise.
But H.sie's supplement folder includes his EnvSim file and Stiebler's folder has an older EnvSim file (that does not have the night vision code). So if you want to use Stiebler's EnvSim 10 file you must install it after both H.sie's supplement folder and Stiebler's so it will overwrite their files.
That is what Stiebler is meaning in his documentation.
- The diesel damage mod is optional. Some like it, some not. I like it myself.
- The recommened O2 settings are left to right, 3.5 and 1.
- Your install order is correct except for the Stiebler and H.sie folders. Their order should be reversed with H.sie's applied first. Your patched .exe should be in Stiebler's folder.
Be sure to read the documentation with both H.sie's and Stiebler's mods. If the items there are not done correctly, etc. you will have game problems.
- In your JSGME options, BE SURE to enable the automatic rollback function.

[yagura]

But H.sie's supplement folder includes his EnvSim file and Stiebler's folder has an older EnvSim file (that does not have the night vision code). So if you want to use Stiebler's EnvSim 10 file you must install it after both H.sie's supplement folder and Stiebler's so it will overwrite their files.

Your install order is correct except for the Stiebler and H.sie folders. Their order should be reversed with H.sie's applied first. Your patched .exe should be in Stiebler's folder. Be sure to read the documentation with both H.sie's and Stiebler's mods. If the items there are not done correctly, etc. you will have game problems.

So provided I change the order to.. :
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
(...)
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME)
Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1
EnvSimAct_10

.. and the items are done correctly in H.sie/Stiebler mods, then both the weather and night vision code should be OK?

The recommened O2 settings are left to right, 3.5 and 1.

In your JSGME options, BE SURE to enable the automatic rollback function.

Argh! Using the Options Selector would mean a redo of a bunch of the items, or am I mistaken? At least one different .exe, if not more down the line that I do not remember by heart.

Did you mean the SH3 Commander automatic rollback? I have turned it on. :salute:

[John Pancoast]

So provided I change the order to.. :
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
(...)
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME)
Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1
EnvSimAct_10

.. and the items are done correctly in H.sie/Stiebler mods, then both the weather and night vision code should be OK?



Argh! Using the Options Selector would mean a redo of a bunch of the items, or am I mistaken? At least one different .exe, if not more down the line that I do not remember by heart.

Did you mean the SH3 Commander automatic rollback? I have turned it on. :salute:


- Yes, your install order looks good and there should be no problem if the mods were put together correctly.
- No, you can use the option selector over and over if desired. I.e, you do a patrol and don't like a certain patch or do want one, just change it.
Simply copy the .exe file in your Stiebler folder (that is the only one you should be using to start the game) to where you have the options selector, make whatever change(s) you wish, and then copy the .exe again and put it back in the Stiebler folder and also the main game directory (which is where the Stiebler folder places it via JSGME).
Note; the options selector will remember whatever you had checked for whatever .exe file you use it with. In other words, you'll only have to change the O2 settings vs. rechecking everything all over again if you use the same .exe file as before.
- Correct, the Commander rollback. Sounds like you're all set in that regard.

[yagura]

Simply copy the .exe file in your Stiebler folder (that is the only one you should be using to start the game) to where you have the options selector, make whatever change(s) you wish, and then copy the .exe again and put it back in the Stiebler folder and also the main game directory (which is where the Stiebler folder places it via JSGME).

As far as I know I have patched and moved the .exe's as required by the documentations, but I am sure I did not replace that vanilla sh3.exe myself in the main game directory. Should I? Or does JSGME take care of it for me completely (perhaps that is what you meant all along)? I always use SH3Commander to launch the game.

Just making sure I understand, I am very thankful for your help! :Kaleun_Salute:

[John Pancoast]

As far as I know I have patched and moved the .exe's as required by the documentations, but I am sure I did not replace that vanilla sh3.exe myself in the main game directory. Should I? Or does JSGME take care of it for me completely (perhaps that is what you meant all along)? I always use SH3Commander to launch the game.

Just making sure I understand, I am very thankful for your help! :Kaleun_Salute:


As long as you have an sh3.exe in Stiebler's mod and apply the mod via JSGME, it will replace the vanilla .exe.
Look at the date of the .exe in your game. It should match the same date as the one in your Stiebler folder.
The only reason I mentioned replacing the one in your game directory above was to save you from disabling and then re-enabling Stiebler's mod via JSGME after an option selector change; simply placing the .exe in the game directory does the same thing and saves you this step.

[yagura]

As long as you have an sh3.exe in Stiebler's mod and apply the mod via JSGME, it will replace the vanilla .exe. Look at the date of the .exe in your game. It should match the same date as the one in your Stiebler folder.

Hey that's nice! For now I only have one or two more additional Qs if you have the time for it:

Some of the mods, e.g. NYGM3_New, contain additional optional mods like the Harbor Traffic Add-in. There are even some cases where those same mod folders are found in multiple locations, for example the Harbor Traffic one is also in the NYGM3_6F parent folder.

If I want to add those additionals, should I add them to the activated mods in JSGME immediately after whatever the parent folder happens to be (hypothetical example: NYGM3_New -> Harbor Traffic Add-in -> NYGM3_6F) or all after IABL/similar, & also should I in case of multiple same folders be choosing the one that is in the latest version, e.g. Harbor add-in from 3_6F instead of 3_New?

[John Pancoast]

Hey that's nice! For now I only have one or two more additional Qs if you have the time for it:

Some of the mods, e.g. NYGM3_New, contain additional optional mods like the Harbor Traffic Add-in. There are even some cases where those same mod folders are found in multiple locations, for example the Harbor Traffic one is also in the NYGM3_6F parent folder.

If I want to add those additionals, should I add them to the activated mods in JSGME immediately after whatever the parent folder happens to be (hypothetical example: NYGM3_New -> Harbor Traffic Add-in -> NYGM3_6F) or all after IABL/similar, & also should I in case of multiple same folders be choosing the one that is in the latest version, e.g. Harbor add-in from 3_6F instead of 3_New?


You can add them usually anytime after the main NYGM install, do not have to be with the parent folder, though I like to keep any NYGM mods I use all together for organization sake if nothing else.
I.e., after IABL/similar.
You're getting the idea ! :up: Yes, in case of multiple versions of a mod use the latest version of it per your example.
Don't worry about asking any questions at any time. It can be confusing at times.

[yagura]

As long as you have an sh3.exe in Stiebler's mod and apply the mod via JSGME, it will replace the vanilla .exe.

Look at the date of the .exe in your game. It should match the same date as the one in your Stiebler folder.

Changing that .exe was easy (note: the Oxygen went only up to 3.0, should it by 3.0 or 2.5 for the left one?) and I feel I have it all set up ok, but there is still one uncertainty for me: the EnvSimAct_10 folder contains a different .exe, and as it is last in the JSGME list it is the one that replaces the main game directory .exe.

Use the Options Selector provided with the H.sie V16B1 package to switch OFF H.sie's Bad Weather Fix in your SH3.exe file. Place your newly created SH3.exe file in this folder (EnvSimAct_10), where you can see the two envsim files mentioned above.

So what I have now for that .exe mentioned in the instruction above is an older one, with incorrect Oxygen and so on. Question is should that .exe be the same as the one I just modified (changed the Oxygen values and placed back in Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1 folder)?

[John Pancoast]

Changing that .exe was easy (note: the Oxygen went only up to 3.0, should it by 3.0 or 2.5 for the left one?) and I feel I have it all set up ok, but there is still one uncertainty for me: the EnvSimAct_10 folder contains a different .exe, and as it is last in the JSGME list it is the one that replaces the main game directory .exe.



So what I have now for that .exe mentioned in the instruction above is an older one, with incorrect Oxygen and so on. Question is should that .exe be the same as the one I just modified (changed the Oxygen values and placed back in Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1 folder)?


Get the latest Option Selector version here (https://www.subsim.com/mods1/nygm/) ,#13,to allow the correct O2 settings.
You really don't need an .exe in the EnvSim 10 folder. Only the Stiebler folder (or H.sie folder if only that is used) needs it.
If you're more comfortable having it in the EnvSim 10 folder, just put the latest .exe version you want to use in that, and don't have one in the Stiebler folder then.
It won't matter if you leave it in the Stiebler folder too as it will be overwrote by the EnvSim folder, but might as well keep things "clean" and not have an unnecessary file in the Stiebler folder.

[John Pancoast]

One other thing since you're using Commander. Be sure to use the latest version of NYGM Commander files.
These are found in the documentation folders you mentioned earlier.

[yagura]

Looks like everything is working well after following your advice!

Current mod list:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
Hitman Optics NYGM 3.6 (Fixed)
Harbor Traffic Add-In
1500 meter bearing overlay
Enhanced Nav Map Plotting Tools
CaptainAmericaOfficerIcons
Anvart_Stiebler_TurmsR01R02
Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME)
Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1
EnvSimAct_10

Some mods I will be trying out:
EAX Sound Simulation SH3
Thomsen's Sound Pack v3.2 (or Das Boot Sound Mod)
depth charge noise - Rev A- master.7z (or v2, though I think this is the newer version)
Das boot officer icons
The MaGui mod (I am quite sure this is the 'Makman Final GUI' I was talking about earlier)

[John Pancoast]

Looks like everything is working well after following your advice!

Current mod list:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
Hitman Optics NYGM 3.6 (Fixed)
Harbor Traffic Add-In
1500 meter bearing overlay
Enhanced Nav Map Plotting Tools
CaptainAmericaOfficerIcons
Anvart_Stiebler_TurmsR01R02
Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME)
Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1
EnvSimAct_10

Some mods I will be trying out:
EAX Sound Simulation SH3
Thomsen's Sound Pack v3.2 (or Das Boot Sound Mod)
depth charge noise - Rev A- master.7z (or v2, though I think this is the newer version)
Das boot officer icons
The MaGui mod (I am quite sure this is the 'Makman Final GUI' I was talking about earlier)


Good job ! You don't need the Anvart_Stiebler_Turms patch; it is already part of NYGM, as is the CAM ship patch, i.e.
Stiebler's patch can be applied to any installation of SH3, hence the reason for instructions and files for things already in NYGM.
You'll also run into some conflicts applying some of the other mods you want to try.
That doesn't mean they can't be used, just be aware. Feel free to ask any questions at the time you try them.
And don't forget if you try any other GUI; you must use it or Hitman's. Don't have both in your mod list.
There are ways to merge conflicting mod files together to make things work and anything can usually be made to work with anything. It just may take a lot of editing work. Some to the point where it really isn't worth the effort.

But that's for another day. :)

[yagura]

Still working good, been trying various immersion/additional mods, noting and fixing conflicts here and there. A few things related to SH3Commander have got me curious. :hmmm:

1. As stated before I use Commander to launch the game. Occasionally, on startup loading the game will crash to desktop. I was wondering if the settings and stuff Commander does for you (captain name, U-number, and the game settings for e.g. randomized crush depth etc.) are still in effect if I launch the game after the crash without using Commander.

2. An interesting tip came up in Commander: "SH3 Commander simulates the effects of thermal layers by default. You can remove this feature by deleting the associated lines from "..\SH3 Commander\Cfg\Randomised events.cfg". Any knowledge about whether or not those effects, and any other possible stuff related to Randomised_events.cfg, work as intended within NYGM?

3. There is a Commander option under Time Compression for When receive radio report. I have set Max TC 1 for that, but it seems like radio messages/reports rarely if ever change the TC from e.g. a high value to something else. What gives?

[John Pancoast]

Still working good, been trying various immersion/additional mods, noting and fixing conflicts here and there. A few things related to SH3Commander have got me curious. :hmmm:

1. As stated before I use Commander to launch the game. Occasionally, on startup loading the game will crash to desktop. I was wondering if the settings and stuff Commander does for you (captain name, U-number, and the game settings for e.g. randomized crush depth etc.) are still in effect if I launch the game after the crash without using Commander.

2. An interesting tip came up in Commander: "SH3 Commander simulates the effects of thermal layers by default. You can remove this feature by deleting the associated lines from "..\SH3 Commander\Cfg\Randomised events.cfg". Any knowledge about whether or not those effects, and any other possible stuff related to Randomised_events.cfg, work as intended within NYGM?

3. There is a Commander option under Time Compression for When receive radio report. I have set Max TC 1 for that, but it seems like radio messages/reports rarely if ever change the TC from e.g. a high value to something else. What gives?




1. No, if you start the game via it's .exe no Commander effects are in force.
You also don't want to do that when using Commander, it will mess things up. See the Commander documentation for details. Better to just keep trying to start the game via Commander. It will eventually.
2. Everything but the malfunctions/sabotage section of that file work as intended in NYGM.
3. That will only work when you are very close to a convoy and get a convoy report.
TC not dropping is another SH3 omission vs. something not working right in Commander.

[yagura]

Too bad about the radio reports!

I noticed something peculiar. When I am underwater and go to the hydrophone station and then leave it, a wooshing sound starts to emit from around the hydro/radio room direction, audible at least in the command room and in exterior view by the bow as far as I could tell. Then when surfacing there is very large and unnatural white foam/wave-crash emitting from the bow, which keeps on for a short while. I don't think I have noted that before, so maybe one of the additional mods I installed is to blame, although I am somewhat doubtful that they should be causing such things. It's a bit irritating, being abnormal and making it more difficult to hear close-by ship propellers. Whilst not a complete disaster I do want to get rid of it so I will be trying to look into that myself, if you have any ideas let me know.

Here's the activated mods list:
NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 - Stand Alone Version
NYGM3_New
NYGM3_6F
NYGM_2017A
IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen
MaGui F
MaGui F FIX for NYGM v2017A
optional-stopwatch with speed lines for MaGui
New_clearsky_clouds
Sh3_volumetric_clouds&fog_V2.2
EAX_Sound_Sim_S3
depth charge noise - Rev A - NYGM
Harbor Traffic Add-In
Haunting Atlantic Wind
real_depth_charge
SH3UboatEngine
Spirit of machines
1500 meter bearing overlay
ail Das Boot officers mod v2.19
Das Boot Clothes
Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME)
Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1
EnvSimAct_10

[John Pancoast]

I don't mess with the hydrophone station but I've never heard nor seen what you mention. I suspect one of the sound mods involved would be where to look.

[John Pancoast]

Oh and fwiw, you don't need the clearsky clouds mod either; it is already in NYGM.
But it also won't hurt anything leaving as is.