View Full Version : Eat meat. Or not. Do like you want. That simple.
Skybird
10-01-19, 03:49 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49877237
This new study takes a vigorous look at the statistics behind claims that "red meat signficiantly increases cancer". It illustrates what I beleive sinc elong, that nutrition studies are very difficult to run and that the vast, the very vast majority of health claims concluded form "new studies" is due to improper, poor and sometimes even statistcially invalid methodology. In the end, you almost never have a nutrition study proving any causal link between cause and effect, you only have reports that explain an observation of things that were observaed simultaneously - not knowing whether they are causally linked or not.And control of interfering variables? Almost never present. Often even impossible to do even if there would be a desire for it.
Few things however are not in doubt. Refined sugar and corn syrup for example are beyond doubt regarding their health hazard level. With salt, fat, oil, carbonhydrates, of various kind, protein, it already gets problematic again. I do not listen to any "new study" on it anymore.
That politcs and ideology, world views and the demand to eat so to do somethign good for ecology/other countries/Gaia, drive strong own interests and dress them as health claims and better food claims, doe snot help, of course. Like with climate, the UN gremia seem to be heavily guilty of this abuse again.
I know an ecotrophologist from university times. she is good in business, but totally pissed, and since two years or longer talked of abandining the job. She is 52 like I am, and now has done so. She said she was sick and tired of the crappy study situation in her branch. Granted, her material situation is such that she can afford to stop her former profession, still she makes me wondering: how many are out there continuing to sell crappy theory and advise just because they need to do so to have an income for themselves?
Always ate red meat, especially lamb, and at 67 I'm not gonna stop!! :yep:
Skybird
10-01-19, 05:46 AM
"You planet killer...!" :arrgh!:
You dont need bacon, just rub some avacado paste on your knees!
FACT WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.....So just enjoy life. :)
I eat very little meat as I am more of a fish eater but the price of fresh fish is now out my price range, tin tuna is no real substitute for fresh fish.
captainadccdacaptain
10-01-19, 06:17 AM
I find EVERY excuse to grill meat, in every season. STEED makes a great point: Why spend your life trying to prolong it when you can simply ENJOY it?
STEED, don't eat too much tuna, I believe it contains mercury!! :hmmm:
STEED, don't eat too much tuna, I believe it contains mercury!! :hmmm:
I am still going to have tuna and bell peppers and cucumber for my tea tonight. :O:
Skybird
10-01-19, 07:25 AM
FACT WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.....So just enjoy life. :)
I eat very little meat as I am more of a fish eater but the price of fresh fish is now out my price range, tin tuna is no real substitute for fresh fish.
Tin tuna is not tin tuna, they are not all of the same quality and taste. I just discovered Saupiquet. I looked down on them for years, due to their luxurious prices, but then tried some of theirs, and now have tested all their stuff. Some of it is a rip-off, cheap vegetable and almost no tuna, but some other stuff is extremely nice. Two of their three pasta sauces/oils work miracle and wonder, two of their six "salads" I also like to have, on a bike tour for a break for example. Two of their three bread spreads have displaced my occasional use of tea sausage or liver sausage. The ordinary tuna tin cans by them I would not use, however, they are overpriced, and as said: some of their products are rip-offs, also are not good. But the items that I like by them, I like very much, and thus I pay the price for these. Needs some discovering mentality.
Frozen tuna from the fridge works well, too, and can be had at reasonable prices. i use it far more often for BBQ or in the pan than I prepare a beef steak these days, its cheaper, but has a tough bite.
Now who doesn't like eating the tails of grilled lamb loin chops? All of a sudden I'm hungry!! :yep:
Skybird
10-01-19, 07:34 AM
STEED, don't eat too much tuna, I believe it contains mercury!! :hmmm:
What fish does not, they all swim in the same oceans. ;)
Microplastic, anyone? Every human baby now has it in its body from birth on, they recently claimed.
Reminds me of this episode form "Northern Exposure", when they recall an event form the past, some friend of theirs working in a fish factory and falling into the machine where the fish was canned. "They had to retrieve hundreds of tins from the stores. I will never forget the funeral - the sight of several hundred tin cans lowered into the grave." :haha: - Wonderful series.
Skybird
10-01-19, 07:37 AM
Now who doesn't like eating the tails of grilled lamb loin chops? All of a sudden I'm hungry!! :yep:
Lamb in mint sauce à la My Style. I use three drops of mint oil, not just the green stuff. With salt potatoes and green beans in a coat of roasted bacon.
My fastening day today. :timeout: Every 4 days or so.
Good on ya, I wish I was that strong, mind you I'm not overweight, thanks for the cooking tip, I might give it a try! :yep:
Jimbuna
10-01-19, 08:13 AM
Simply put....I'm a carnviore.
Jeff-Groves
10-01-19, 02:18 PM
Aside from shrimp I don't eat those nasty non-air breathing things that live in water.
Now a good chunk of Gator or Alabama ditch bugs are tasty.
Not to mention Rattle Snake.
My favorite is BEEF! The more the better!
:yeah:
fred8615
10-01-19, 04:29 PM
Reminds me of this episode form "Northern Exposure", when they recall an event form the past, some friend of theirs working in a fish factory and falling into the machine where the fish was canned. "They had to retrieve hundreds of tins from the stores. I will never forget the funeral - the sight of several hundred tin cans lowered into the grave." :haha: - Wonderful series.
Somehow I missed that one. :har:
Aktungbby
10-01-19, 04:57 PM
STEED, don't eat too much tuna, I believe it contains mercury!! :hmmm:
Always ate red meat, especially lamb, and at 67 I'm not gonna stop!! :yep:
Now who doesn't like eating the tails of grilled lamb loin chops? All of a sudden I'm hungry!! :yep:
Simply put....I'm a carnviore.:Kaleun_Applaud:
Aside from shrimp I don't eat those nasty non-air breathing things that live in water.
Now a good chunk of Gator or Alabama ditch bugs are tasty.
Not to mention Rattle Snake.
My favorite is BEEF! The more the better!
:yeah:last night was bbq'd burgers; tonite is grilled lamb chops; and tomorrow nite will be salmon with apricot/ginger glaze & grill roasted peppers, onions and red potatos-wrapped in foil; all served with a two-buck chuck chardonnay!:Kaleun_Salivating:
I may have a greggs chicken pasty tomorrow, tried their vegan roll the other day and I just do not get the craze for it, it was bloody tasteless!
:Kaleun_Applaud:
last night was bbq'd burgers; tonite is grilled lamb chops; and tomorrow nite will be salmon with apricot/ginger glaze & grill roasted peppers, onions and red potatos-wrapped in foil; all served with a two-buck chuck chardonnay!:Kaleun_Salivating:
:O::O::O:
Skybird
10-01-19, 08:12 PM
Pork I do not eat since years, it just is nothing I crave for, but beef in the past years also got somewhat rare. Mostly I eat chicken, veal, and fish has gone up in my preference list significantly. No health and environmental considerations in these changes, it all was due to changes in taste and interest. Fish means tuna both in cans and as filet steaks for grilling them, and also much salmon. I discovered catfish recently, and plan to get back to it. On bread I prefer either sweet spreads, especially nougat and Austrian jam, or cheese of variosu kinds, cold cuts are extremely rare on my table. I eat just twice a day, and not at all every fourth day or so. I am doing intermittent fastening since over a year now. Killed 15 kg in six months. I do not ban anything I like to eat, sweets sins included, I just limit the time of the day when I eat to an 8 hour interval. Oh, and lots of cacao and Espresso. No beer anynmore, but alcohol-free white beer: the irony here is that I do not like neither white beer no alcohol-free beer, but non-alcoholic white beer I kill for. Wine frequently, Bayleys too, a mild Scottish malt (Dalwhinnie) or an Irish whisky (Jameson 1780) rarely. Whisky is harsh enough, if I drink it, then it must not be an especially coarse one, but a mild one.
Typical "American breakfast" with eggs, ham and all that, is horror for me, and always was. Breakfast means coffee, bread and sweet spreads to me. But usually I do not eat anything before noon or early afternoon. At noon: breakfast. Lunch is in the evening. No supper. My starsign is Aquaruius, we do things differently. :O:
Beef for Gulasch, and steak, and mince. Veal for Wiener Schnitzel. No pork. No barbecue sausages. Lots of chicken. Sometimes lamb, its expensive, and I use it only for mint sauce.
I buy "from the region", when available in the store, why I should buy potatoes from other countries when potato farmers in my neighbourhood face an already difficult market, is beyond me. From far away places I only buy what is not avialable locally - but I then buy it for sure, if I want it. These are the only environmental consideration I pay attention to, the rest or moral and ecological and pltlical and else demands I do not even "boycott": but it does not even come to my mind to waste my time with that nonsense. "Carbon footprint" and all that collective mass hype and ritual also do not interest me at all. They just want to keep you running with they themselves swinging the whip and raising fear so that you have no time to come to rest and start thinking yourself. A mind that is thinking their thoughts cannot think ideologically unwanted own thoughts.
No pork:up:
There is a funny smell to pork that I find nauseating, especially when it is being cooked, a no-no for me!
Aktungbby
10-01-19, 10:52 PM
:up:
There is a funny smell to pork that I find nauseating, especially when it is being cooked, a no-no for me!Get brave! Marinade some large pork chops in herb and garlic marinade for 8 hours then bbq:
6 minutes a side...directly over the coals; should cure your reticence- serve with a nice merlot or cabernet!:Kaleun_Cheers:
Forgot to mention it is an unclean animal. :yep:
Forgot to mention it is an unclean animal. :yep:Ugly as well, we are doing them a favour eating them. Pork pie anyone? :03:
Jimbuna
10-02-19, 06:08 AM
:up:
There is a funny smell to pork that I find nauseating, especially when it is being cooked, a no-no for me!
Has an uncanny similarity to a burned body :yep:
Skybird
10-02-19, 10:11 AM
Somehow I missed that one. :har:
That was that episode where Maggie's boyfriend Rick first lost his pilot license from bad eye sight and later was slain by that down-crashing satellite and was molten into it so that getting his coffin through the churchdoor was difficult due to all the antennas sticking out of it at all directions. :har:
fred8615
10-02-19, 01:35 PM
That was that episode where Maggie's boyfriend Rick first lost his pilot license from bad eye sight and later was slain by that down-crashing satellite and was molten into it so that getting his coffin through the churchdoor was difficult due to all the antennas sticking out of it at all directions. :har:
Oh man, I missed that one too! :doh:
Come on reece one wafer thin pork pie. :Kaleun_Wink:
Come on reece one wafer thin puke pie. :Kaleun_Wink:
I don't think so STEED, you can have it! :yep:
Aktungbby
10-02-19, 08:36 PM
Forgot to mention it is an unclean animal. :yep:Aha! the ol' "split hoof yet chewith not the cud" argument...well we don't want you risking your 72 virgins in paradise from associating with "death idolatry and sin" (Isiaah 65):O:
72 virginsI'm Christian not Muslim!! We have 150 virgins! (spares) :up:
I don't think so STEED, you can have it! :yep:
Go on you know you want it....
A nice bacon sandwich smothered in brown sauce. :D
Jimbuna
10-03-19, 05:19 AM
I'm Christian not Muslim!! We have 150 virgins! (spares) :up:
I doubt there are that many in the whole of the outback :)
Rockstar
10-03-19, 04:11 PM
Typical "American breakfast" with eggs, ham and all that, is horror for me, and always was. Breakfast means coffee, bread and sweet spreads to me. But usually I do not eat anything before noon or early afternoon. At noon: breakfast. Lunch is in the evening. No supper. My starsign is Aquaruius, we do things differently. :O:
You are sooooo missing out on a good morning breakfast :) . My favorite goto is a 2 or 3 egg omelet stuffed with pico de gallo (chopped red & yellow onion, tomato and cilantro) pepper jack cheese. Plate the omelet add a dolop of sour cream and some Cholula hot sauce. Follow it up with a big ol' buttermilk biscuit topped with a gob of butter and honey.
Skybird
10-03-19, 04:19 PM
Oh, I would try it. Just not for breakfast, but for lunch or supper. :03: First meal of the day must be light for me. Cant swallow heavy or wanrm stuff that early. Plusd I love the smell and taste of fresh bread. Germany has a rich bread culture, we have over 400 different types of bread, more than aynwhere else in the world, I read. Italians do better Chiabatta, French do better baguettes - but none of the two has such a diversity in different breads as the Germans have.
Just checked the dictionary. What exactly is the difference between "supper" and "dinner" if both mean "Abendessen", "Abendbrot", "Nachtmahl" ? "Lunch" is the main meal for noon time, right?
Rockstar
10-03-19, 04:29 PM
That's a good question, In my experience how breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner, and supper is defined and when they are taken seems to depend upon what part of the country you're from.
Go on you know you want it....
A nice bacon sandwich smothered in brown sauce. :D
Washed down with Newcastle brown ale, well reece? :)
I had a sudden rush to the toilet, now trying to overcome the foul stench!! :oops:
Aktungbby
10-03-19, 08:14 PM
On bread I prefer either sweet spreads, a Freudian slip if ever!
I'm Christian not Muslim!! We have 150 virgins! (spares) :up:What a fib! We know you can't count that high!:O: @ Rockstar: Dinner is the main meal of the day and may be 'lunch'... leaving the evening meal as ...'supper' although they are generally used interchangably in America! 'Supper', from the French 'souper', was the late evening light meal/repast in agricultural eras where lunch: ie dinner was the main meal of the day....:know: In my own household, 'Sunday dinner' is still a 12-2PM affair with all the trimmings!
Rockstar
10-03-19, 09:30 PM
Up in the land of 10,000 lakes all I ever heard growing was breakfast, lunch and supper. I never really heard 'dinner' used until I was south of the mason dixon line where some of them Rednecks were known to call lunch dinner.
Back in the day when nursing a hangover I would on rare occasion break my fast around noon. But because of the time of day it was considered I missed breakfast and had lunch instead.
Aktungbby
10-03-19, 10:39 PM
But because of the time of day it was considered I missed breakfast and had lunch instead. that's 'brunch'!:Kaleun_Wink:
No it's not!! Here's the actual events:
Breakfast
Morning Smoko
Lunch
Afternoon Smoko
Tea
Later if still hungry (fatso) supper!! :D
Aktungbby
10-04-19, 12:34 AM
well...we know what ewe do to that poor sheep on your smokos; shear travesty I tells ya!:O:
Mmmm, lamb roast, lamb loin chops, curried lamb, salt bush lamb snags!! :yeah:
How about a nice black pudding reece?
Black Pudding . . . http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/barfing.gifhttp://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/barfing.gifhttp://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/barfing.gifhttp://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/barfing.gif
Someone call an ambulance!! :dead:
Someone call an ambulance!! :dead:
OK, OK, how about fish?
Eel or hag fish.
Hey none of you have mentioned
Artificiel meat
Veggie meat
I haven't tasted any of these. The first is to expensive to buy the other doesn't really good.
Markus
Skybird
10-05-19, 12:57 PM
Three years ago I was on a christmas market in Cologne. I was hungry and bought a waffle. It escaped my attention that they made all their waffles "vegan". It tasted terrible and was as creamy as Camembert 6 months beyond consumation date, it was no waffles, but a spread to be put on bread. Terrible taste, I spit the second bite all into the bin, followed by the rest of the waffle (unbitten...), and under the eyes of the stand owner who sent me a very angry glance. A pale-skinned super-slick student he was, thin like a telephone pole and quite cheesy in face teint.
In that situation, really every cliché was met. :har:
Aktungbby
10-05-19, 03:49 PM
Well, with this thread in mind and my wife's reminder that we're bbqing steaks tonite-so no WHOPPER from Burger King
for lunch... I got her the grilled-chicken
and myself the 'impossible burger' at the local BK:ping::ping: literally my first vegan burger in 68 years of bovine cuisine bliss ever! I honestly thought it tasted great and i couldn't tell any different from the true Whopper I had on Thursday:arrgh!:
Catfish
10-05-19, 05:10 PM
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"Food and women made England a great sea-faring nation."
I will take back the women (literally), but not the food. :O:
Black pudding
Made me remember my childhood.
Black pudding or blood sausage as we call it here in Denmark was my little sisters favorite dish.
On her birthday we always had blood sausage.
I did not like it, but I had to eat it.
Markus
Rockstar
10-05-19, 05:18 PM
Hey none of you have mentioned
Artificiel meat
Veggie meat
I haven't tasted any of these. The first is to expensive to buy the other doesn't really good.
Markus
I've purchased 'Beyond Meat' brand burgers. They were actually pretty good, but a bit expensive. I still buy them from time to time.
Jimbuna
10-06-19, 07:36 AM
Three years ago I was on a christmas market in Cologne. I was hungry and bought a waffle. It escaped my attention that they made all their waffles "vegan". It tasted terrible and was as creamy as Camembert 6 months beyond consumation date, it was no waffles, but a spread to be put on bread. Terrible taste, I spit the second bite all into the bin, followed by the rest of the waffle (unbitten...), and under the eyes of the stand owner who sent me a very angry glance. A pale-skinned super-slick student he was, thin like a telephone pole and quite cheesy in face teint.
In that situation, really every cliché was met. :har:
I've tried a few vegan foods in the past and all I can say is....I'm overjoyed I'm not vegan :03:
Skybird
10-11-19, 02:35 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/well/eat/scientist-who-discredited-meat-guidelines-didnt-report-past-food-industry-ties.html?te=1&nl=well&emc=edit_hh_20191010?campaign_id=18&instance_id=12954&segment_id=17731&user_id=4da2dd90b7afb28353f15e975470bb16®i_id=86852650
IDIOT. :timeout:
How much I hate shabby methodology - or lousy credibility like here.
Mind you, there seems to be no evidence that ILSI has had an influencing interference with the metastudy the guy has run - but with his past history of ties to it, he should have acted with more offensive transparency on his own behalf to avoid his study later getting discredited like it is now the case. Now his meta-study is already discredited, no matter whether true or false. IDIOT....!
OK, OK, how about fish?
Eel or hag fish.
An old English favorite, fish n chips, love it!!! :up:
Skybird
10-12-19, 04:42 AM
I love fish and chips, just without the fish. We have another name for it, however. :D We call it pommes frites.
What's wrong with battered butterfish? :hmmm:
Skybird
10-12-19, 06:36 AM
Bin stur, Pommes nur pur. :D
All people in Europe do them a little bit different, use different oil or fat, add different spice or secondary distractions (like fish...). To me, chips/french fried/pommes mean pommes, mayonaise, whie salt, period. I got the difefrent tgastes, and Belgians claim they are their national dish, but I say: the Dutch and the Germans do pommes best. The Dutch use bigger slices/sticks, else not much difference to the German version. Really, for all what is holy: whie salt, mayonaise, golden crispy pommes not dripping with oil. If done right, pommes are far less unhealthy and less fat than their reputation is, its the sauce that does the harm.
Ironcially, the Belgian ones I like worst. If belgian snack, than neither pommes frites nor chocolate or pralines, but - waffles with whipped cream, cherries, at best bitter chocolade flakes a bit and maybe a very bit of cherry Schnaps: Waffles Schwarzwälder style.
Jimbuna
10-12-19, 07:51 AM
On the topic of fish......when I was living and working in Dordrecht I was based in a factory and as in the UK Friday appeared to be fish day.
I'll always remember the look on the food servers face when I would ask for a fried fish in batter because many of my colleagues would be eating raw pickled herring.
A close friend of mine and an ex-submariner in the Dutch navy called Johnny Van Rodenberg (Johnny from the red mountain....don't you just love some of the Dutch names) once said to me "You English are primitive, eating fish and chips out of a newspaper" and I replied "At least we are civilised enough to cook our fish before eating it"
Skybird
10-12-19, 08:47 AM
Well I like fish, both fried or grilled, and pickled or smoked. Just not with chips/pommes.
But boiled potatoes with butter and salt, and with Herring in Dill cream, is simple, but a favourite of mine.
Its also about calories a bit. A portion of chips and mayonaise already is a bomb, I really do not need even more calories stuffed down my throat in one meal.
BTW, how to distinct between "Lachs" and "Forelle" in English reliably, if Forelle can be both "trout" and "salmon" in English, and Lachs is "salmon" as well? If I would want Forelle, I would order "trout" and be safe, but if I would say "[this and that type of] salmon", I could get both either a Lachs or a Forelle, according to the dictionary. :06:
Try just buying fish without chips from a chip shop like I did.
Medium cod no chips
Do want chips?
No thank you
You sure you don't want chips?
Yes I do not want any chips
Last chance for chips?
NO THANK YOU, NO CHIPS!
Skybird
10-12-19, 05:36 PM
If you want fast food on basis of fish, buy at "Nordsee" in Germany. A bit expensive sometimes, but many dishes are of good quality. And fish is fresh.
For good pommes, buy at a Dutch stand or shop, at least avoid Burgerking or McDonalds, or go to a snack bar of your trust. Many of them however are not good. For good pommes I currently would not know where to go here in my town, the good two stands we had, are gone. But we have three fairgrounds per season, plus Christmas market (six scattered across the city), all these have Dutch pommes stands, and that is often enough for a year anyway.
For good pommes
You could copy and paste your own recipe from your thread about Pommers you created some years back.
Where the peeled potatoes should be put in a bowl within a kind of vinager store
Markus
Skybird
10-12-19, 07:40 PM
A, gourmets like you remember that one, eh? :) :D
However, I said back then while the result is good, what you get by pommes made manually from fresh potatoes is not any better than if you buy industry pommes from the fridge in the supermarket, good ones. It needs a lot of time to do it all by hand and wait between steps, it is no "fast food" then at all, you have to wait those time breaks. Really, buy them in the supermarket. Doing pommes frites manually and from fresh potatoes, is no gain in anything, just work, and hours.
P.S. edit:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=229915&highlight=pommes+frites
page 2 "V-day"
The sdauce I mentiojned there, by Heinz, "Tomaten-Cayenne", now is relabelled by Heinz as "Burger Sauce Mexican Style", years ago it was "Andalusian Sauce". Dont ask me what this notorious renaming nonsense should be for, but it is the same sauce. Promised.
Archibald
10-12-19, 09:18 PM
About,https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/237083/oven-baked-sweet-potato-fries/photos/5482892/ :yep:
Reece fancy a bacon buttie?
Jimbuna
10-13-19, 05:16 AM
Well I like fish, both fried or grilled, and pickled or smoked. Just not with chips/pommes.
But boiled potatoes with butter and salt, and with Herring in Dill cream, is simple, but a favourite of mine.
Its also about calories a bit. A portion of chips and mayonaise already is a bomb, I really do not need even more calories stuffed down my throat in one meal.
BTW, how to distinct between "Lachs" and "Forelle" in English reliably, if Forelle can be both "trout" and "salmon" in English, and Lachs is "salmon" as well? If I would want Forelle, I would order "trout" and be safe, but if I would say "[this and that type of] salmon", I could get both either a Lachs or a Forelle, according to the dictionary. :06:
I'm no expert on fish Sky but Trout and Salmon are both totally different to one another and both come in freshwater and seawater variants as far as I'm aware.
Skybird
10-13-19, 06:11 AM
I'm no expert on fish Sky but Trout and Salmon are both totally different to one another and both come in freshwater and seawater variants as far as I'm aware.
Yes, I know. Salmon=Lachs, trout=Forelle. But when I opened the dictionary I found for Lachs many names inclduing the word slamon, but also many names inclduing the word trout, while the german translation nevertheless referred to Lachs, still. I found that very irritating. I wonder whether they maybe had kind of a technical mishap.
I like Lachs/salmon. Forelle/trout is not so much for me.
Whatever. Today its lamb over here.
Jimbuna
10-13-19, 06:14 AM
Yes, I know. Salmon=Lachs, trout=Forelle. But when I opened the dictionary I found for Lachs many names inclduing the word slamon, but also many names inclduing the word trout, while the german translation nevertheless referred to Lachs, still. I found that very irritating. I wonder whether they maybe had kind of a technical mishap.
I like Lachs/salmon. Forelle/trout is not so much for me.
Whatever. Today its lamb over here.
Tis chicken over in my household today but lamb with mint sauce is also a favourite.
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