Tesla: ‘There’s almost no reason to have a gas car’

[Skybird]

There is move ment behind the curtain of th eoffiocial stage. They want to ban ownership of combustion engine cars some years after the ban of selling them, because they fear - propably correctly - that else we see the phenomenon that you have inCuba. In Cuba, people do not get their hands on new cars,a nd sop they stick to the old, antioque ones, which are decades old, they polsih them as best as they cna and keep them gopong, so to slow down their rotting. And so you have cars from the 50s and 60s still rolling in Cuba. This is the nightmare scenario of the EU bosses.



If the sales ban really gets realsied - and I dohbt it can be sustained - then the ban of owenerhsip will coem much earlier afterwardfs, too. Of this I am sure. But I am not sure that the sales ban can indeed be enforced according to the current timetable. Practical reality more and more mercilessly points against it.

[mapuc]

Found this wiki page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles#European_Union

Markus

[Oubaas]

Maybe I'll keep an eye out for an old Volkswagen Beetle with the 1600cc Dual Port, do a ground up restoration on it, buy some spares, and keep it around just in case.

Which brings to mind the question, how will these bans affect availability of spares for old ICE powered vehicles? If manufacture of spare parts for them is banned, you'll need your own machine shop to keep them going.

I think when the towering geniuses who make up the rules see what it does to work force mobility, supply chains, and the electrical grid, they'll repent. Once the S & P 500 tanks, they'll see the light.

As for horses, I already have horses. I just came in from the barn. If we went to horses, I could look forward to years of hilarious entertainment as people whose ancestors last rode horses in colonial days tried to come to grips with riding a horse. The poor horses!

Modular reactors and steam engines, that's the ticket. Eventually we could make them self-driving with AI. Imagine thousands of AI-controlled vehicles on the road, each with a fission reactor onboard. What could go wrong? :haha:

[Otto Harkaman]

We need biologically altered insects with cybernetic parts to be used as vehicles :shifty:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG1.ZX_EEI7vsFwAvT1ccLQp?pid=ImgGn

[Oubaas]

We need biologically altered insects with cybernetic parts to be used as vehicles :shifty:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG1.ZX_EEI7vsFwAvT1ccLQp?pid=ImgGn

Oh yeah! I'd drive one of those! I want mine with yellow and black stripes like a bee!

:Kaleun_Salute:

[ET2SN]

If manufacture of spare parts for them is banned, you'll need your own machine shop to keep them going.



Spare parts don't get banned, they just become unprofitable to produce. :yep:
Imagine keeping an assembly line for parts going when there's only 100 models running on the continent. Then, you're stuck hitting Flea Markets and Estate Sales while keeping your fingers crossed.

Beetles are cool, but they are almost impossible,-now- to maintain. :doh:

[Ostfriese]

I don't think electric cars are going to make it. They're expensive.

If you follow the thought "electric car = Tesla" then you are right. :) They are unreasonable expensive, and with Musk at the helm Tesla is never going to make it.

Still here? Right, so you might want to read my experiences of driving a relatively small electric car for eight years now (and still going). My Renault ZOE with a 41 kWh accumulator (usually called battery) gives me a summer range of about 300 km (that's about 185 miles, for our friends with imperial measurements). In winter the range drops considerably, to about 220km (about 140 miles).
At a typical charging station charging from 0% to 80% takes a little more an hour, after that the charge is gradually reduced to protect the accumulator, just like in your mobile phone.

The range more than enough for my every day driving, by quite a margin. Longer trips are not much of a problem if there's just one charging stop necessary, in which case I have a break after two hours of driving, and going for a half hour walk is quite relaxing. It'll be worse with trips that require more than one charging stop - but I have yet to do one of those.

Of course I have to admit: even though I live in the least densely populated area of (former) West Germany driving distances here are much shorter than in the US, and I know that the ranges I mentioned are too short to cover the typical distances in the US, especially in the rural areas.

The limiting factors of the electric grids usually are not the local grids. It's either on the larger scale (the national grid, which the Bavarians stubbornly refuse to modernize) or on the smaller scale (the grid at your home, which might be too old to carry the loads).

Why not pair a mini-reactor with the Cyclone Engine in automoobiles? Zero carbon cars.

:Kaleun_Cheers:Well, Ford actually developed the concept of a nuclear powered car:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon

Didn't go far in the crazy 1950s :D

[JU_88]

We are told that supposedly by 2030 everyone must have an electric car and will be using AI in everything for everything - all while running on a power grid that relies only on Russian natural gas or wind and solar.
So Energy demand will be x10, while energy supply will be-90%

Yeah...
I think One half of the above 2030 prediction is simply not to happen. :hmmm:

[Platapus]

We already have a thread on this

[mapuc]

We already have a thread on this

I expect Jim will merge this thread into the other when he return from Mexico.

Markus

[em2nought]

I just noticed a news report about a condo fire in Thailand. Immediately I wondered if it was an electric bicycle parked inside the guy's condo? Electric vehicles are impacting my ideas of the places I might live in the future. I'm pretty sure I don't want to own in a building with a car park under it. If I rent I'd probably be thinking of having some sort of emergency escape rappel device. $2000 is kind of pricey though. :hmmm: Maybe I can get a used one. :D

https://skysaver.com/

[JU_88]

I just noticed a news report about a condo fire in Thailand. Immediately I wondered if it was an electric bicycle parked inside the guy's condo? Electric vehicles are impacting my ideas of the places I might live in the future. I'm pretty sure I don't want to own in a building with a car park under it. If I rent I'd probably be thinking of having some sort of emergency escape rappel device. $2000 is kind of pricey though. :hmmm: Maybe I can get a used one. :D

https://skysaver.com/


Its ok, in the future you wont get to own neither car or apartment, so its fine if it all burns down from the battery explosion or a mostly peaceful protest, we'll be just happy, happy all the time :D, (social credit score +0.5 points) pass the yummy bug sauce please...

[JU_88]

The EU wise persons' board wants to release legislation that makes it illegal to operate combustion engine cars a la Cuba style. They want to prohibit even ownership already just a few years after the sales ban.



Worse and worse.


I just wonder whether that sales ban will ever come true. Reality may not submit to ideology. It will get extended, and maybe even more than just once.


Didnt they already try to pass laws to prevent repair to combustion vehicles not up to modern standards? I say 'try' but of course its the EU so its not 'if' the law gets passed, its just 'when' I think they must have nearly a 100% success rate there, And yet they are still talking about getting rid of the MEPs, whos only real power is to slow things down.

[Oubaas]

If vehicles with internal combustion engines are outlawed, and I suddenly come bursting out of the garage in my monstrosity of a rock crawling pickup truck and roar down the road with the pickup bed full of Jerry cans, who's going to stop me? Even if they're driving the fastest EVs available, I can take shortcuts that their eyes wouldn't believe.

"Come on! Follow me in your Tesla, I dare you!" :haha:

:Kaleun_Cheers:

[Oubaas]

And another thing. Will this ban on internal combustion engines affect vital emergency generators in places like hospitals? I want to see them pull that off.

"We'll have the power back on as soon as we charge the generator." :haha:

[Ostfriese]

And another thing. Will this ban on internal combustion engines affect vital emergency generators in places like hospitals?


No, it won't.

[Platapus]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/epa-rules-biden-administration-gas-car-ban/


No, President Biden and the EPA are not banning gas cars.

[mapuc]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/epa-rules-biden-administration-gas-car-ban/


No, President Biden and the EPA are not banning gas cars.

Maybe not. However no one knows what type of cars that will be sold most of in 5 or 10 years from now in USA.

It could be a majority of cars being sold in 2030 is Electric cars or it could be gasoline cars

What your government ban or not-Doesn't matter. It's up to the buyer what they want.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

I expect Jim will merge this thread into the other when he return from Mexico.

Markus

Send me the link and I'll sort it.

[mapuc]

Send me the link and I'll sort it.

We have this thread which was made by Neal

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=242026

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Sorted :Kaleun_Salute:

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/0xde0MZ.jpeg

[Skybird]

https://youtu.be/OEkIh2PcSYE?si=vdz5mBUjlp8ckxc0