Missions for Collins Class

[Fearless]

Hi there,

See Missions and Maps for DW in Downloads section for a file named RAN OS Perisher.

[Stewy1]

Awesome, Fearless, I'll check it out ;)

:ping:
Stew

[p7p8]

Thx
I've added a new Entity namely HMAS Rankin SS78 which was the last Collins Class sub launched 07 November 2001 and commissioned on 29 March 2003. Make sure that you add the new entity via DWEdit as all missions have the Rankin as the starting sub.
Can you make version without messing in database? Its very important to players in regular Friday/Saturday MP battles

[p7p8]

https://youtu.be/yFakIvSY6YA

Its only part 1
I played this because in notepad++ i've changed playable sub to Collins SSG 73

Now i'm going to TLAM area - but Collins havent TLAM missiles!
Did you change weapon loadout in database?

[Fearless]

Thx

Can you make version without messing in database? Its very important to players in regular Friday/Saturday MP battles

What do you mean by messing with the database? If it is an issue I will delete the download.



https://youtu.be/yFakIvSY6YA

Its only part 1
I played this because in notepad++ i've changed playable sub to Collins SSG 73

Now i'm going to TLAM area - but Collins havent TLAM missiles!
Did you change weapon loadout in database?

Negative you have a choice which platform you wanna use.

It appears this upload is an issue so it has been removed.
My apologies all. One should keep these files personally as it appears to create friction with the original modders. For your future update I suggest you add the 6th Collins Class sub to your database namely the Rankin SSG 78. Also note that The Collins class is a SSG not a SS or SSK submarine.

[p7p8]

Negative you have a choice which platform you wanna use.
Not exactly. This is how it looks without changing database:

https://i.imgur.com/HQmOeuO.png

What do you mean by messing with the database? If it is an issue I will delete the download.
In MP lobby you recive info: "Database is different than host files" - or something like that.
It means - player who join MP session have errors or not the same version of game
(for example host uses RA 1.46 but player have RA 1.42)
All database differences have major impact on game stability - not only for player with differend version.
Literally: it makes many bugs in session and players disconnections

In "your" mission nobody cares which "Collins" (Collins, Farncomb, Waller, Dechaineux, Sheean or Rankin) is drivable. Making mission unplayable only because you want to be Capitain of SSG 78 is little ridiculous.

BTW it's not "your" missions. You just put Collins class instead LA and made some corrections in briefings. Much easier was to add "playes has choice" attribute to playable platform.

[Fearless]

Not exactly. This is how it looks without changing database:

https://i.imgur.com/HQmOeuO.png


In MP lobby you recive info: "Database is different than host files" - or something like that.
It means - player who join MP session have errors or not the same version of game
(for example host uses RA 1.46 but player have RA 1.42)
All database differences have major impact on game stability - not only for player with differend version.
Literally: it makes many bugs in session and players disconnections

In "your" mission nobody cares which "Collins" (Collins, Farncomb, Waller, Dechaineux, Sheean or Rankin) is drivable. Making mission unplayable only because you want to be Capitain of SSG 78 is little ridiculous.

BTW it's not "your" missions. You just put Collins class instead LA and made some corrections in briefings. Much easier was to add "playes has choice" attribute to playable platform.

Mission has been deleted. Do what you wish with it. Fix up DWX than I wouldn't have had to add the Rankin. I request this post to be closed.

[p7p8]

Hey, don't be angry on me. I just believe, you didn't know about MP problems. Most MP sessions starts are delayed even 1 hour because some of players has "different database". Mostly they just forgot to apply patch. But sometimes nobody knows why database is different. Many players use different "interface" like red background or russian descriptions on stations. It's more safe than different database - which can broke game for many players.

So i want to prevent every possible errors before game - because i am usually host for players from half of the World. I'm not happy when game crashed because really big battles are announced 1-2 weeks before game - it needs huge preparations for many players (not only software but sometimes preparations in real life like hiring babysitter for child)
I hope you will understand my point of view.

[Fearless]

The only reason you don't see player-choice platform is the fact that it is set-up with Rankin start. Changing the starting sub in the mission files will solve the issue.

Also I didn't think the missions were for MP as the original 688H/K and training missions give you no choice whatsoever what platform you could command. Only the 688i. SSN 751.

To finish this heated debate off, I apologise for the abrupt responses but do consider how you respond yourself.

[p7p8]

The only reason you don't see player-choice platform is the fact that it is set-up with Rankin start. Changing the starting sub in the mission files will solve the issue. I know and this is what i did. Problem: you cannot do this via mission editor because game show you "empty" object and all binded triggers and briefing will be beleted. So its not easy for someone who use only mission editor instead text editor.

Also I didn't think the missions were for MP as the original 688H/K and training missions give you no choice whatsoever what platform you could command. Only the 688i. SSN 751.
Doesn't matter missions are for MP or not. Only database should be exactly the same for all players.

To finish this heated debate off, I apologise for the abrupt responses but do consider how you respond yourself.
Sorry i don't understand you.

BTW i will ask Crazy Ivan for adding Rankin SSG 78 into database. Next version of RA should be released soon :)

[Fearless]

BTW i will ask Crazy Ivan for adding Rankin SSG 78 into database. Next version of RA should be released soon :)

Thanks,

I've also asked CrazyIvan on the Reinforce Alert forum to increase the weapons loadout from 18 to 22 as per real life specifications.

[p7p8]

Weapons loadout is not easy to change - its hardcoded value depended on other factors like number of weapon types (if i remember correctly)

Almost all added submarines in RA havent correct number of maximum weapons.

18 its quite enough. On real submarines few torpedoes are dummy ones - for excercises, so lowered number of warheads is acceptable to me.

Rankin has been added to RA 1.47 database - info from Crazy Ivan

[Fearless]

Weapons loadout is not easy to change - its hardcoded value depended on other factors like number of weapon types (if i remember correctly)

Almost all added submarines in RA havent correct number of maximum weapons.

18 its quite enough. On real submarines few torpedoes are dummy ones - for excercises, so lowered number of warheads is acceptable to me.

Rankin has been added to RA 1.47 database - info from Crazy Ivan

See http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2585302&postcount=55 how to change the weapons loadout. The Collins class can carry a mix of Mk48 Mod 4 or Mod 7 CBASS torpedos and UGM-84C Sub harpoons total payload 22 or 44 Stonefish Mark III mines.

[p7p8]

Did you made some tests for game stability?

[Fearless]

Did you made some tests for game stability?

Currently running the Collins Class in the Sicilian Wedding Mission with no issues that I know off. All it did was change the 1-4 rack capacity from \9 to \13

[MANoWAR.U52]

Is it possible to get your file from somewhere else?

[p7p8]

"Missions for Collins" were in fact original missions from 688 H/K with changed LA to Collins :(

Really funny, because first or second mission goal was TLAM attack and "creator" of this "new missions for Collins" probably forget about lacking of TLAM missiles onboard Collins class :P

Btw 688 H/K missions are adapted to RA - you can find them in scenario folder if you use RA mod.

[MANoWAR.U52]

Is there a reason why you put creator in brackets? Furthermore what you consider funny is not really of my concern and I rather check for myself and I´m glad for everyone that tries to create content for DW. Besides, when several guys tell you to reconsider your attitude perhaps its indeed worth a try.

Anyways not here for an argument just for the file.

[p7p8]

When you shows someone else work as your work only because you changed title and playable unit (btw incompetently) it is an argument for criticism.

Btw those files werent available to play without messing with database - which may corrupt MP games.

It's a shame you don't understand things like intellectual property and copyrights.

If you wanna play this original 688 H/K in RA with different platform you can just add in editor:
"Player has choice of platform" attribute, and it will work better than "Collins version" because you dont need to mess with database.

Besides, when several guys tell you to reconsider your attitude perhaps its indeed worth a try.

I did and now i'm sure my attitude is exactly like i want :)
It prevent's me from writing tons of useless advices like people who don't like my style. I know it's painful to you because some time ago i prooved you were wrong and i'm sure you remember this very well.

[Fearless]

When you shows someone else work as your work only because you changed title and playable unit (btw incompetently) it is an argument for criticism.



I consider your comment an insult and have reported it. It's now up to the administrators to fix. Also I request this post be locked.

[p7p8]

LOL, what insulsts you? The fact that you have made "your" missions unplayable or the fact that you public them as your own work while they are from 688 H/K?

Missions were unplayable without adding additional "hull number" for Collins class and because you forget about changing main goals like TLAM strike (Collins is unable for launching TLAM's).

All of your missions have exactly the same names :D

https://i.imgur.com/jmenVAG.png

In my opinion you should write a word about it but you didn't.

At first i didn't recognise these little changed missions from 688 H/K
I was too excited playing something "new".

Btw i asked Crazy Ivan for adding your favourite Collins hull number (Rankin) and currently is playable.


So if you feel reporting me is necessarily, do what you have to. I don't care.
I still have "your missions" and everyone can do own "research" by comparison RAN OS Perisher and 688 H/K missions rebuilded for RA

RAN OS Perisher (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HIQX2YTK2Sm4NQaRBPvVk27ED4AxrsPN/view)

(link above is only for comparison and it's mission pack published by @Fearless as his own)

:ping:

[MANoWAR.U52]

I did and now i'm sure my attitude is exactly like i want :)
It prevent's me from writing tons of useless advices like people who don't like my style.
Well then good luck with being the forum´s prime douche-hat here. For sure will end as a success story for you here.


Also consider your strange believe that there is even an interest in hearing what you call "advice" as mistaken.

[p7p8]

I don't understand you: all what you ask about DW you have answer from me (suggestions of good solutions). But you are angry because it's from me.

I will tell you something. I don't care of your opinion and what you think about me. If you ask here about DW and I have proper knowledge I just answer to anybody who ask.

I do not gives advices like:

"If you are new to DW you should 2 months train making turns on your sub"

Its because DW is NOT on this level of simulation. I know somone can think "its cool" but for me it's just intentional misinformation for building myth "DW is only for pro gamers" (which is not true)

Returning to clue of my reply...

In this topic I gave you:
1. Solution how to play these missions with any playable submarine
2. Where to find those missions in RA
3. Advice how to play missions redesigned by @Fearles
4. Warning about fact that some missions redesigned by @Fearles are unable to complete
5. Link to originaly redesigned missions by @Fearles

Nobody gave you more than me :P

And you can only blame me.
It's really funny for me because it shows who you really are.
And it shows that you are just jealous :D

[Fearless]

LOL, what insulsts you? The fact that you have made "your" missions unplayable or the fact that you public them as your own work while they are from 688 H/K?

Missions were unplayable without adding additional "hull number" for Collins class and because you forget about changing main goals like TLAM strike (Collins is unable for launching TLAM's).

All of your missions have exactly the same names :D

https://i.imgur.com/jmenVAG.png

In my opinion you should write a word about it but you didn't.

At first i didn't recognise these little changed missions from 688 H/K
I was too excited playing something "new".

Btw i asked Crazy Ivan for adding your favourite Collins hull number (Rankin) and currently is playable.


So if you feel reporting me is necessarily, do what you have to. I don't care.
I still have "your missions" and everyone can do own "research" by comparison RAN OS Perisher and 688 H/K missions rebuilded for RA

RAN OS Perisher (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HIQX2YTK2Sm4NQaRBPvVk27ED4AxrsPN/view)

(link above is only for comparison and it's mission pack published by @Fearless as his own)

:ping:

I did NOT give you permission to re-release the mission as I deleted it.

I REQUEST THAT YOU DELETE THE LINK NOW.

[p7p8]

Strange because missions were public for free using, without additional licence requests.
Btw unlike you, I wrote who is the author :P

And you gave me permission:

Mission has been deleted. Do what you wish with it.

[techsubdiver]

One guy unpolitely mocks content makers for not delivering a perfect download or because it is from 688 (who the heck cares?) and who also does a neat job in scaring anyone away from the DW and RA mod threads and the other guy dramatically overreacts while screaming "lock this thread!" as if nuclear missile codes where released here.

And you know who suffers the most... The small dw community here. I really hope new and old who will see this here won´t start think twice and thrice before doing missions or mods for the best modern marine sim around. Everyone be sure that we´re happy for every addition you may provide and we do not require 100% perfection. Some of us however should re-learn to show some respect and at least show some appreciation for the free work of others no matter of the perceived quality, not just happily take and download without taking any second to say thanks. This way also the negative, detterent posts stand out and you can bet that these makers and many others learning from this role-model never will return to improve or make more.

Decades ago things were different in the naval modding scene, not so much "take!, take!, take!" folks around. I know this isn´t social studies class here but this culture sickens me and incidents like this here urged me to write it down somewhere in the infinite space of internet.

[Onkel Neal]

You're right, techsub. It really only take a little effort to be civil and helpful but some people just can't manage that. I appreciate when people try to help each other.

Can we try to smooth this out guys? It would be beneficial to all of us.

[p7p8]

One guy unpolitely mocks content makers...
content makers - LOL. One question: did you downolad and play this scenarios? Im sure not. You know why i kwow about it? Because those missions are unplayable and you even don't know about it.


...for not delivering a perfect download or because it is from 688 (who the heck cares?)
You don't understand. Download was ok, and nobody cares is this missions are from 688 H/K or SC. But someone did great job making this missions available for playing under DW+RA and they were described as "missions from 688 HK". So i think its "not polite" to change name of mission file and playable platform and call it "its my new missions" because it misleads players.

I was only one who did test of these missions because nobody (even pseudo author) hadn't time or patience to change manualy wrong strings in txt edidor or mess with game database every time when you want to play Fearless version. It proved in my video from game - check post #4
Its very easy to accuse someone without even little research.

... and who also does a neat job in scaring anyone away from the DW and RA mod threads
Guy made mission pack only for himself without any word about it's in fact little moddified someone else work and you suggest me it was great work for DW community? In my opinion it's not only useles but also unfair for real missions designer and modder.
I hope next time these kind of "mission designers" will think twice about releasing broken, useless and violating intellectual property and good manners stuff.
Thinking they doing something usefull for DW community is very naive.


And you know who suffers the most... The small dw community here.

Active community mostly suffers from subsim DW politic. Nobody upload own missions here because subsim don't allow for something more than empty maps with some names and lines - without any task, ships, playable platforms etc.
I've tried few times but subsim always plays in cat and mouse (yyy said: it's not my role to upload, talk to xxx. Later and : its not my role to upload missions, talk with yyy and so on)
If you want to find new missions for DW subsim is not good place. Check redrodgers, Betasom, or one of discord channels.


Some of us however should re-learn to show some respect
I agree. Calling others "douche-hat" shows very low level of manners.
Can you say something about my manners?


and at least show some appreciation for the free work
Exactly! If you use someones work, you should write about it.


Decades ago things were different in the naval modding scene
True, because decades ago naval modding scene didn't exist :)

[Onkel Neal]

Active community mostly suffers from subsim DW politic. Nobody upload own missions here because subsim don't allow for something more than empty maps with some names and lines - without any task, ships, playable platforms etc.
I've tried few times but subsim always plays in cat and mouse (yyy said: it's not my role to upload, talk to xxx. Later and : its not my role to upload missions, talk with yyy and so on)
If you want to find new missions for DW subsim is not good place. Check redrodgers, Betasom, or one of discord channels.




Sorry, I don't understand. What politic are you talking about? How is it difficult to send me a PM and then I give you access to upload missions? WHo is xxx and yyy ?

[p7p8]

After clicking there was opened PM to Sailor Steve. But he sent me to you.
Check your PM from dates 02-26-2017 and 03-01-2017
Exchange takes 3 PM's and no answer. But in the same time +/- 3 days were uploaded Stewy1 maps (if i remember correctly username).

[Onkel Neal]

Sorry about that if I missed your message, mate. I would be happy to turn on your access right now. Bam! It is done. :Kaleun_Salute:

[p7p8]

Sorry about that if I missed your message, mate. I would be happy to turn on your access right now. Bam! It is done. :Kaleun_Salute:
Ok, no problem for me, thx.