Did the soviets have their own version of the MOSS?

[somedude88]

It would be cool if the Soviets used their version of the MOSS in cold waters, (If they actually had one historically.)

[ikalugin]

Soviets did useself propelled imitators but it appears that they are difficult to introduce to the AI.

[Ruslan]

Еndorse topic,I was interested in and was surprised that the Soviets no version of the MOSS.:gulp:

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Soviets did useself propelled imitators but it appears that they are difficult to introduce to the AI.

Since the game generally starts with them being within 25 Kyards, it cannot really be that hard to just tell them to shoot one as soon as it spawns. Make their noise exactly the same as the firing subs, so we'll be forced to judge which is which entirely on behavior.

[NoodDoon]

Make their noise exactly the same as the firing subs, so we'll be forced to judge which is which entirely on behavior.

A MOSS doesn't make the noise of a sub calmly searching. It makes the noise of a sub frantically trying to get out of a torpedo's range. Getting the AI to pop them at the right time to fool a torpedo is the hard bit, I'd imagine.

[REDDQ]

A MOSS doesn't make the noise of a sub calmly searching. It makes the noise of a sub frantically trying to get out of a torpedo's range. Getting the AI to pop them at the right time to fool a torpedo is the hard bit, I'd imagine.

Well, game recognizes when torpedo has a lock on a submarine (yellow icon, "torpedo in the water" message), seems like a perfect time to fire something like MG-74 Korund.

[Aktungbby]

REDDQ!:Kaleun_Salute: & NoodDoon!:Kaleun_Salute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRD7aGs6aas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRD7aGs6aas) Might be too modern

[ikalugin]

Yes, Soviets had a MOSS equivalent.
A MOSS doesn't make the noise of a sub calmly searching. It makes the noise of a sub frantically trying to get out of a torpedo's range. Getting the AI to pop them at the right time to fool a torpedo is the hard bit, I'd imagine.
No, Soviet MOSS equivalents were commonly used for the ASW search evasion, while emulating "calmly searching submarine" signature amongst other things (ie the correct active sonar returns).

However, MOSS could not be introduced for the AI, as the player would see the AI launched MOSS (or equivalent) for what it is (ie a MOSS or equivalent) in the user interface.

[goldfish716]

Yes, Soviets had a MOSS equivalent.
However, MOSS could not be introduced for the AI, as the player would see the AI launched MOSS (or equivalent) for what it is (ie a MOSS or equivalent) in the user interface.

Good point, however you could change the way the MOSS is displayed to the user. It could show as just another contact where it's identity could be revealed only with a sonar solution and/or sonar identification.

[Killerfish Games]

A Soviet version of the MOSS is implemented (in code).
When fired it causes the % SOL against the firing sub to drop significantly over time.

However we haven't gotten around to determining which Soviet subs field such decoys and also need to add a check to the AI in order to fire this as opposed to a regular torpedo.

[REDDQ]

A Soviet version of the MOSS is implemented (in code).
When fired it causes the % SOL against the firing sub to drop significantly over time.

However we haven't gotten around to determining which Soviet subs field such decoys and also need to add a check to the AI in order to fire this as opposed to a regular torpedo.
Well, most modern ones would probably use ut ie. Kilo, Victor-II and III, Oscar, Typhoon, Sierra, Delta-III and IV, Alfa nad Akula if you decide to add it :03: Essentially anything commissioned after 1970.

Russianships.info list Korunds for all of them (and even Charlies) but the simple truth is Soviets need them. Badly.

PS. Shame it cannot actually simulate another contact. It would be fun trying to determine who is just pretending and who is the real McCoy. Maybe something to consider for the future.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

PS. Shame it cannot actually simulate another contact. It would be fun trying to determine who is just pretending and who is the real McCoy. Maybe something to consider for the future.

I agree that would be the best long-term solution, and more accurately represents what the US operator will see.

[Aktungbby]

Well, most modern ones would probably use ut ie. Kilo, Victor-II and III, Oscar, Typhoon, Sierra, Delta-III and IV, Alfa nad Akula if you decide to add it :03: Essentially anything commissioned after 1970.

Russianships.info list Korunds for all of them (and even Charlies) but the simple truth is Soviets need them. Badly.

PS. Shame it cannot actually simulate another contact. It would be fun trying to determine who is just pretending and who is the real McCoy. Maybe something to consider for the future.
Some Akulas have additional six 533 mm torpedo tubes mounted externally, capable of launching 6 MG 74 Korund decoys. The external tubes are mounted outside the pressure hull in one row, above the torpedo tubes, and can only be reloaded in port or with the assistance of a submarine tender.http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/602/V00mI.jpg Even the Typhoon class has an similar arc of six to twelve tubes outside the pressure hull to house the MG 74 Corundum (#15): http://www.hisutton.com/images/Typhoon_labels940.jpg (http://www.hisutton.com/images/Typhoon_labels2000.jpg)<klik 2 enlarge)

[REDDQ]

I agree that would be the best long-term solution, and more accurately represents what the US operator will see.

Yup. Significance of this might be invaluable to the overall gameplay.

Some Akulas have additional six 533 mm torpedo tubes mounted externally, capable of launching 6 MG 74 Korund decoys. The external tubes are mounted outside the pressure hull in one row, above the torpedo tubes, and can only be reloaded in port or with the assistance of a submarine tender.http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/602/V00mI.jpg Even the Typhoon class has an similar arc of six to twelve tubes outside the pressure hull to house the MG 74 Corundum (#15): http://www.hisutton.com/images/Typhoon_labels940.jpg (http://www.hisutton.com/images/Typhoon_labels2000.jpg)<klik 2 enlarge)

That's true. We can clearly see them here

http://www.military-today.com/navy/akula_class.jpg

Dunno when exactly Russians started to build them like that though. It is safe to assume that the only existing Akula in 1984 doesn't have them. With Typhoon the case is similar, only Dmitriy Donskoi (TK-208) has extra launchers and that refit ended in 2002 iirc.

[yamato9]

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-602.html

It is very detailed site about russian equipement and weapons.

Use automatic translation of page to english.

"adopted in 1974 as standard equipment"
MG - 74 is carried by this subs (refering to this site)

- pr.641

- 877/636

- pr.671RTM / 671RTMK

- pr.971

[REDDQ]

In order it is Foxtrot, Kilo, Victor III and Akula. Pretty interesting selection.

[ikalugin]

Dunno when exactly Russians started to build them like that though. It is safe to assume that the only existing Akula in 1984 doesn't have them. With Typhoon the case is similar, only Dmitriy Donskoi (TK-208) has extra launchers and that refit ended in 2002 iirc.
We began installing them on Improved Akulas.

However in addition to MG-74 we were using later, improved self propelled imitators.

[Aktungbby]

^ good site; I got the diagram from it and (tediously:wah:) translated it as well: http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/602/V00mI.jpg

[yamato9]

^ good site; I got the diagram from it and (tediously:wah:) translated it as well: http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/602/V00mI.jpg

You should have option of automatic google translation of entire page in upper right corner.