View Full Version : How to sink Kirov?
Hi,
Did You test the 5th mission (Beating the odds) in Single Player?
If not, try it.
It's an armageddon. :ping:
If You launch Harpoons, every will be shot down by flak (or 80%), few minutes ago You will have 5-6 torpedos near You, if You escape be prepar to be detected by planes or helicopters and new set of torpedos? I did this mission 8 times till now I suppose, max I survived near 1 hour but all missions was a death machine :hmmm: .
Any sugestions for this mission?
For sure, if I launched Harpoons I escaped immediately, I tested with set of Mk.48 also but if Soviet fleet detect them they start to move immediately.
:salute:
Well in DW there is the same problem,,, but by accident I got some licks in on the Kirov,, you got to be some what close and undetected must have visual with scope,, you light him up with a Torp as she turns and runs from the torp and shows her stern you send your harpoons it's all in the timing ,, I just thought of if you can get in behind her on a track you might get a shot in ,,, coming in from the stern = less flak
PL_Harpoon
06-12-17, 04:42 PM
Here you go.
Hard difficulty. 1.01b. All mods disabled (except that I forgot that I left MAD sensors at 400 but they don't matter here anyway).
https://youtu.be/UaamV7ZZWag
PS. Sorry for bad quality - I have limited space on my hard drive ;)
Thx, watched Today, will try Your technique. I used Mk.48 but with active sonar from the beginning, maybe it was the fault.
Waervyn
06-13-17, 06:15 AM
Here you go.
Hard difficulty. 1.01b. All mods disabled (except that I forgot that I left MAD sensors at 400 but they don't matter here anyway).
https://youtu.be/UaamV7ZZWag
PS. Sorry for bad quality - I have limited space on my hard drive ;)
Great video. Tactics wise, what is the idea behind raising the ESM mast? Is it just to see whether there are helicopters and planes around?
PL_Harpoon
06-13-17, 06:34 AM
Is it just to see whether there are helicopters and planes around?
Yes. You can't be sure where they are exactly, but my reasoning is, if the line comes at a big angle from the main group it could be close.
Waervyn
06-13-17, 07:19 AM
Yes. You can't be sure where they are exactly, but my reasoning is, if the line comes at a big angle from the main group it could be close.
Thanks!
If you would see helicopters and/or planes, what would your reaction be? I'm still pretty bad at handling them so looking to see how other people do it :)
PL_Harpoon
06-13-17, 07:41 AM
Thanks!
If you would see helicopters and/or planes, what would your reaction be? I'm still pretty bad at handling them so looking to see how other people do it :)
If they haven't detected you yet, I'd sit at silent mode, perhaps change course just in case and wait for them to leave.
If they have found you, all I could do is to fire all torpedoes (trying to predict their evasions), go flank speed and avoid helicopter's torpedoes. After that you can asses the situation (did any of your torpedoes hit, what are the closest threat etc) and act accordingly.
Waervyn
06-13-17, 08:24 AM
Great, thanks again!
I saw in the patch notes that MAD range is at 1000 yards. So I'm assuming this means that if a plane flies directly over you, you basically have no chance at all of avoiding it right?
if there is helicopter or plane drops torpedo very near or right on top of your sub, does it mean it has already detected you or just guessing?
Harpoon, did You record any others vidoes from others missions (for example 6th with Moscow)? It will be nice to see. Btw. if You have Win 10 You can use settings for better quality (60 fps and better resolution) and You can record it Win+Alt+R. This tool is build-in Windows 10, its free.
yes, this 5th mission (Beating the odds) is very hard.
I have played it a few times, sometimes I sunk Kirov, sometimes I did not.
however, in the end I always get hit.
always, usually after I fire some torpedos away,
then, out of nowhere, there's a torpedo dropped right above my sub.
my speed is <=5 knots and I stay below thermal layer (if any).
what is wrong here?
how do you stay undetected?
Foxendown
06-16-17, 05:03 PM
It is hard, my first two attempts ended in failure because aircraft found me. It was easier being in the inlet, the aircraft stay out (whether they would in real life is a moot point). Also the water is deeper in there. I stayed not moving or at 5 knots almost on the bottom and used all my torpedoes and at the very end two missiles. I also used all my moss decoys to cause confusion as to my position.
FPSchazly
06-16-17, 05:13 PM
Great, thanks again!
I saw in the patch notes that MAD range is at 1000 yards. So I'm assuming this means that if a plane flies directly over you, you basically have no chance at all of avoiding it right?
1000 yards is the lateral range, so the radius around the airplane that it can detect targets. The MAD is effective to approximately 500 ft deep.
if there is helicopter or plane drops torpedo very near or right on top of your sub, does it mean it has already detected you or just guessing?
Yes, they have found you haha.
Good work, but how did they not send aircraft down your bearing? That's what is reliably killing me in this mission.
Btw. practice makes perfect ;). I backed to this mission with more experience
and better knowledge and ... no problem now :up:.
So how I sink Kirov:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1qUzEzhIBY
shocknawe371
06-21-17, 06:20 AM
I did it on max settings with an upgraded Sturgeon... Key is NOT to go inside the inlet, stay at entrance. This way you can go deep to 430ft to egress. TMA Kirov and fire at around 8000 yards. Yes they may well miss but seeker head has 4000 yard acquisition range. Obviously set for shallow and throw in a moss for good measure to keep them busy. Engage and re-engage at 7-8000 yards. Also try to aim for 70-90% TMA... The key here is to use torps and keep your distance and avoid active detection so watch ur ship / own ship sensors.
Foxendown
06-21-17, 06:57 AM
The aircraft did not want to attack me in the inlet in this scenario, they flew up and down the coast. One of the helos was looking for me in completely the wrong place even while ships were sinking near it. I can't understand why the helos in particular didn't hunt me down in the inlet. Could the acoustic properties of the inlet plus the moss decoys I used have had an effect? Alternatively, could it be a limitation of the AI which perhaps identifies water in the inlet as land? Also my sub was practically sitting on the bottom and I've noticed before with torpedoes a certain blindness to subs on our near the bottom, perhaps that is also a limitation of the AI.
I came so close last night. Got all three surface combatants, but the tacair got me eventually. I was below the layer and 12kyds astern of the closest ship when I fired.
I'm going to try the mod that lowers MAD range to 500yds. I think these guys are just too effective.
Badger343rd
06-21-17, 10:11 AM
Finally got that son of a $#^@,on elite settings, in the inlet... with 3 torps,stayed below 200 took out its escorting first then pursued the kirov at slow speed and engaged him at long distance. I can't tell you how many attempts ....but it was ALOT.Now I can finally move to the next mission.:Kaleun_Cheers:
xXNightEagleXx
06-21-17, 11:43 AM
I did it on max settings with an upgraded Sturgeon... Key is NOT to go inside the inlet, stay at entrance. This way you can go deep to 430ft to egress. TMA Kirov and fire at around 8000 yards. Yes they may well miss but seeker head has 4000 yard acquisition range. Obviously set for shallow and throw in a moss for good measure to keep them busy. Engage and re-engage at 7-8000 yards. Also try to aim for 70-90% TMA... The key here is to use torps and keep your distance and avoid active detection so watch ur ship / own ship sensors.
Well the inlet has a part that goes as deep as 600ft too. BTW, you might find yourself inside the inlet from the start.
https://youtu.be/2_TKAW-FBxU
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.