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Skybird

06-28-14, 05:38 AM

Yes, sometimes they seem to wonder why they even should want to have one. :D

Meanwhile... MAFIA's... MIFA's..., I mean FIFA's godfather Blatter said that he plans to implement video evidence options soon for trainers. They should be allowed to call for video checks twice per halftime, and only in case of questions about "penalty yes or no", "inside or outside 16m", "foul or no foul". He also said that UEFA plans to copy the goal detection technology used in Brazil for the next European championship. And rumour holds that FIFA plans to take the cup 2022 away from Quatar.

I am absolutely for the video evidence, but would prefer another format, since now it could lead to 4 interruptions per halftime. I want them to have the right once per halftime, and when the case is decided in favour of the caller, then his counter is set back to 0, and he can call again in that halftime. If the case is decided against him, then he cannot make any further calls in that halftime. That should help to motivate coaches to call with self-restraint, but also allow to expose incompetent referees that whistle many misjudgements, and getting proven wrong time and again for that.

And another thing I would like to see: professional time taking. Like in ice hockey and basketball, let their bee a clock referee who switches off the timer when the ball is out or the ref is whisteling over a foul, and swtiching it off again when the match continues. Halftimes ends at exactly 45:00, no overtime. This would help to prevent treams trying to waste time when they are in lead, and in general imo is far more professional, and fair.

And take away that razor cream. I think it is ridiculous and does not help the authority of the ref. He should and must be able to enforce the correct distance without that. If needed: with cards.

CCIP

06-28-14, 02:00 PM

In thbe match againmst stubbornly fighting Chilenians (? Chileans? I dont know :D) it will be seen what the Brazilians' nerves are made of. Their nerves imo are the biggest handicap of the Brazilian team, due to the immense pressure resting on them. This evening.

And boy did we get to see that game really go on the edge. Close until the very finish - they really won this one by a hair and barely held their nerves together.

mapuc

06-28-14, 02:23 PM

I know the World Cup is not over yet

I have a few question to you

What do you expect to see in the next world cup or what kind of improvement do wish could be done

Here are mine expectations

Play:
Better shot from distance. It's makes me, don't know the word, when a soccer player is kicking the ball from a distance of maybe 25-30 or 35 meters and the ball goes waaaayyyy of target.

Referee:

Hope they will use top professional referees like they do in World Cup Ishockey
And that these will have, as some one mentioned before in this thread technical help

Host of a World Cup:

I hope that in the future FIFA would put some social demands to the host regarding social problems(example. A country wants to be a host for the World Cup in 2016, but FIFA says no. Reason: The social problem in that country is to big)

That's some of my hopes for World Cup in the future.

Markus

jakethescot

06-28-14, 04:03 PM

I'd like to see the ref's hand out more yellow cards for players taking dives. Nothing ticks me off faster than to see a player barely make contact and go down grabbing his knee or head and roll around on the pitch like a little girl. I know they're taught to do that, but my dad taught me and I taught my son to never let the other guy know he hurt you. I don't care if you have to limp, play on.

nikimcbee

06-28-14, 04:34 PM

mapuc

06-28-14, 05:07 PM

Skybird

06-28-14, 05:32 PM

Play:
Better shot from distance. It's makes me, don't know the word, when a soccer player is kicking the ball from a distance of maybe 25-30 or 35 meters and the ball goes waaaayyyy of target.
A drift control coulkd be implemented on the second thumbstick, yes.

Hope they will use top professional referees like they do in World Cup Ishockey
And that these will have, as some one mentioned before in this thread technical help
The referees will always be some good and some intentionally chosen bad ones, because FIFA thinks it must imose on tournaments bad referees from minor football countries to not disadvantage them culturally and have every country, even countreies without pro referees due to lacking football tradition, sending one referee. Its stupid and against the sports, but that is what happens when PC and politics get pushed into sports.

On technical assistances, see what some post earlier I quoted godfather Blatter with.

Host of a World Cup:

I hope that in the future FIFA would put some social demands to the host regarding social problems(example. A country wants to be a host for the World Cup in 2016, but FIFA says no. Reason: The social problem in that country is to big)

Will not happen, because FIFA is a corrupt money milking machine and your wishes are aga8inst its business models. FIFA always milks the hosting coutnry for money and demands total control over national stdiums and all merchandising and ticket selling and media broadcasting, leaving the host with stellar debts and empty, useless and eroding stadiums (see South africa, the socalled white elephants, it will happen in Brasil, too, I promise).

The Brasilians now protest and complain about that, which is hypocritical on their behalf, because nobody forced them to file their candidacy for the cup and when they won the hosting, they all celebrated. They could have known what they had coming at them: a stellar bill, big social unrest and a massive waste of money. They asked for it, they wanted it that way. Their wishes got fulfilled, congratulations.

What you should hope for, to honour your desire for social justice, is that FIFa does not fin d any nation that is willing to host FIFA events. But since politicians are master sin wasting money that is not theirs and getting events like this for the ranks as something like building heir own private little Versaille castles, this will not happen so easily also.

I earlier compared FIFA to a Mafia-like organisation. I was not kidding, I was serious. It is a criminal. money,laundering and profit milking machine, corrupt and non-transparent and ridden with criminal activity and bet manipulation to the max.

You want social justice considered in tournament events? Nuke FIFA and threaten politicians with immediate execution if they dare to have a word in it - that is your only chance.

And that is true for many other international major sport events, namely the Olympics, as well.

Jimbuna

06-29-14, 05:07 AM

The Brazilians can thank their lucky stars after last nights result and must take heed of the lesson from the Chileans because there will be more such tests of their nerves in future rounds.

The Uruguay defeat was no big surprise seeing as how much they rely on Saurez.

soopaman2

06-29-14, 11:29 AM

Being a realistic person, I know the USMNT will not pass Belgium.

Not a chance in hell, though I will still be watching and cheering for my home team!:up: I do not think we will make the same dumb mistakes against them as we did Germany, Tim Howard (New Jersey Boy!) saved that from being at least a 4-0 game.

So today I root for Mexico as a contingency plan.

My team loses I root for the closest team to my country, if Mexico loses I move into South America, beyond that, I would have to get out a map, and plot courses like I was a sub navigator to find out who to go for next.:haha::shifty:

Too lazy for that, so goooooooo Americas! (all the Americas, North and South)

soopaman2

06-29-14, 12:26 PM

Turn on the damn Mexico/Netherland games now!

Some great plays, some riveting back and forths!

Mexico is trying to stall, rather than attack. The US did that on Portugal and paid for it...

Skybird

06-29-14, 01:03 PM

Mexico died the most brutal of deaths possible in football.

And tomorrow its Netherlands versus Mexico. I think the Mexicans will for long time drive the Dutch desperate, before Robben finally nevertheless takes them out.

Anyone there wanting to discuss with me? No one...? Thank you.

:D :O:

:woot:

soopaman2

06-29-14, 01:08 PM

Mexico died the most brutal of deaths possible in football.

Anyone there wanting to discuss with me? No one...? Thank you.

:D :O:

:woot:

No sir. That was as embarassing as a grown man crapping his pants on his wedding day. (before saying I do, and the bride has sex with the best man on the pulpit (cuckolding the groom) to rub the shame in)

My backup team moves further south, USA tuesday, 3pm eastern time.

Miracle in the works? (Belgium is kinda scary)

With America, you never know. We always do things to piss people off, like win a group we should get swept out of.:O:

Pisces

06-29-14, 05:42 PM

No need to discuss. I'm happy with the result. :yeah:

Skybird

06-29-14, 06:30 PM

Truth being told, the first half of the Dutch was a shameful disgrace and an offence of the audience. Terrible.

It's a pity that Mexico could not move on. My sympathy in principle still is with the Dutch, but the Mexicans for most of the game were the better team, and are a very good team anyway. Their bad karma series at world championships continues.

Considering that an earlier penalty for Robben was not given, the result is okay. But the Mexican had more shares from the match, and did more to set up a fight.

Feuer Frei!

06-29-14, 11:33 PM

Truth being told, the first half of the Dutch was a shameful disgrace and an offence of the audience. Terrible

In particular one A. Robben.
He'll win the Oscar for sure.
His theatrics are nothing short of Gold medal material.

Machst Dir schon Bange um Deutschland gegen Algerien oder? :haha:

BossMark

06-30-14, 02:22 AM

Well the clog wearers where lucky and cheated their way to the quarter final, felt sorry for Mexico.
And well done Costa Rica, hope you can give the Dutch a game and progress to the semis.

Rhodes

06-30-14, 03:00 AM

So, did the Portuguese referee did a god job? Just asking because here, normally, he does not!!!

Feuer Frei!

06-30-14, 03:18 AM

So, did the Portuguese referee did a god job? Just asking because here, normally, he does not!!!

Better job than Ronaldo.

HunterICX

06-30-14, 03:20 AM

In particular one A. Robben.
He'll win the Oscar for sure.
His theatrics are nothing short of Gold medal material.

So you recon he'll be a good competition in the run for the Oscars against Thomas Müller?

Feuer Frei!

06-30-14, 03:25 AM

So you recon he'll be a good competition in the run for the Oscars against Thomas Müller?

It will he a tight run.
To be honest Müller bugs me too sometimes.

But:

http://a1.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/Soccer/images/2014/06/29/062914-SOCCER-moreno-robben-LN-PI.vresize.693.390.high.0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrUUPJnCIAEc9C4.jpg

There's our friend who does it best, and more consistently.

HunterICX

06-30-14, 03:43 AM

But:
There's our friend who does it best, and more consistently.

Ah yes that one, it made me roll my eyes too. One thing to give him ''some'' credit for is that he admitted that one after the match. :rotfl2:

as for consistently it's pretty much a striker's thing these days just get yourself in the penalty area and a foot will find your way eventually for you to fall over. Funny how it also can backfire by having ruined a fine chance for a shot at goal. :roll:
And 100% fairplay isn't going to get yourself the Cup, most winners have had their shares of dramatic performance to get the whistle blown in their favour.

If they want 100% fairplay Fifa should allow technology aid the referees which Fifa obviously doesn't want :shifty:

Nippelspanner

06-30-14, 03:43 AM

Well the clog wearers where lucky and cheated their way to the quarter final, felt sorry for Mexico.
And well done Costa Rica, hope you can give the Dutch a game and progress to the semis.
Well, yes and no.
While I was clearly for Mexico, Holland should have gotten a penalty in the first half already, that might have changed the whole game anyways, who knows.

Robben, I hate this guy, honestly. While he is a talented player and very capable, he is a class A diver who just proven his diving skills again yesterday. Ridiculous, simply ridiculous.
In my opinion, that was NO penalty, the one that was given I mean. Robben just, once again, knew how to make it look like the most brutal foul ever... and that brought Oranje into the quarter finals, nothing else.

They should have lost 3-0 measured by the shameful performance shown in the first half, really.

HunterICX

06-30-14, 04:02 AM

Well, yes and no.
While I was clearly for Mexico, Holland should have gotten a penalty in the first half already, that might have changed the whole game anyways, who knows.

and a card for the one sliding in and it was a close red one if you ask me.

Robben, I hate this guy, honestly. While he is a talented player and very capable, he is a class A diver who just proven his diving skills again yesterday. Ridiculous, simply ridiculous.
In my opinion, that was NO penalty, the one that was given I mean. Robben just, once again, knew how to make it look like the most brutal foul ever... and that brought Oranje into the quarter finals, nothing else.
it's gotten Germany the cup 1974 and 1990 :yawn:

They should have lost 3-0 measured by the shameful performance shown in the first half, really.Can say the same for Germany - Ghana guess you didnt' take in account that the arena is notorious for its heat

Skybird

06-30-14, 04:46 AM

Why the attacks on Robben? There were two situation were he dived, and slo-mo showed that in both cases indeed the defender hit first him (in case of the penalty he did not get he was even tackled twice, from front and from behind) and afterwards hit the ball. The rules are clear - inside the 16m zone, that is a penalty. And every good attacker worth his money tries to put so much pressure on the defender that the defender can only stop him finally by desperate measure that either intentionally include the foul, or run a high risk that the defender's action will not complete a legal but an illegal action. Both situation were no "swallows" by Robben.

Of course he let it happen once the defender tackeled him. So are the rules.

Different it would be of an attacker drops and stage-acts like if being tackled, while not having been touched or defender played ball first. Doing that is unfair and unsportsmanship, it should be immediately followed by a card.

In that condition Robben currently is in, it certainly needs a worldclass top defender to stop him. And even then he remains to be extremely dangerous. Verrückter Vogel. I somehow like him.

As I said easrlier, the first half played by the Dutch, was shameful and a disgrace. But after the goal for Mexico, they took of their pyjamas, and came back. That speaks for the potential in their team. And that in that heat - it seems to be recorded now as the hottest tournament football match ever played. Where the sun hit the seats in the stadium, half of the people fled into other zones of the stadium where there was some shadow, leaving their expensively bought seats empty.

I predict that the Quatar cup will not take place. I mean, not in Quatrar.

Jimbuna

06-30-14, 05:01 AM

Mexico were unluck to go out and well done to Costa Rica.

As for that theat old chestnut 'diving'...it is sadly part of the game now and if FIFA were serious about combatting it they would introduce technology similar to that used in rugby and cricket.

Until that time comes, if ever, we can debate ad nauseum and end up absolutely nowhere as usual.

On a personal note, I'm looking forward to the German game and no doubt more pseudo theatrics.

Skybird

06-30-14, 05:04 AM

pseudo theatrics.
double negation... makes the fake foul a real one... :D

Jimbuna

06-30-14, 05:12 AM

double negation... makes the fake foul a real one... :D

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Feuer Frei!

06-30-14, 05:48 AM

Why the attacks on Robben?

Why indeed:

http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA2LzI5LzFjL1VqMHlQWmwuY2M5ZDQuZ2lmCnAJdG h1bWIJMTIwMHg5NjAwPg/7a2c27df/b12/Uj0yPZl.gif

Foul my a**!
Flopper extraordinaire...

Jimbuna

06-30-14, 06:01 AM

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Nippelspanner

06-30-14, 06:16 AM

it's gotten Germany the cup 1974 and 1990 :yawn:
[...]
Can say the same for Germany - Ghana guess you didnt' take in account that the arena is notorious for its heat
Huh? So?
What does Germany-Ghana has to do with Hollands miserable performance?
And when the arena is so incredibly hot... how comes Mexico played so well (the first half), while Oranje where on sleeping pills?

@Skybird
Why the hate on Robben?
It's not that I am making this up, he is already well known for his excellent diving skills, just watch a FCB game when the BuLi starts again, although I'm sure you've seen your share of games with him.

Take a look at Neymar for example. I don't like him either, but at least he is not crash diving in every possible situation but tries to fight his way through, staying on his feet and keeping the ball (as he did in Brasils last game).
Robben is also complaining. A lot. Like he would have a bonus, like "mimimi, they tackled me, I am Arjen Robben, gimme a free kick, mimi!"

Gah! :shifty:

HunterICX

06-30-14, 06:51 AM

Huh? So?

Genau

Nippelspanner

06-30-14, 06:53 AM

Genau
Care to explain?

HunterICX

06-30-14, 06:59 AM

Care to explain?

I take it the ''huh, so'' was in responce of ''it's gotten Germany the cup 1974 and 1990''.

so exactly...why should one care how a game's won.

Nippelspanner

06-30-14, 07:06 AM

I take it the ''huh, so'' was in responce of ''it's gotten Germany the cup 1974 and 1990''.

so exactly...why should one care how a game's won.
Because it's dirty, cheap and simply not nice to watch?
Don't know, to each his own, if you don't care, fine.
I do though, a lot.

So much that I wish FIFA would start punishing divers tremendously.
So hard, so devastating that no one ever dares to dive again on purpose.
Together with that, bring in video proof, so we won't have any wrong decisions/minimize them.

This is football, not diving, isn't it?

Skybird

06-30-14, 07:35 AM

Why indeed:

http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA2LzI5LzFjL1VqMHlQWmwuY2M5ZDQuZ2lmCnAJdG h1bWIJMTIwMHg5NjAwPg/7a2c27df/b12/Uj0yPZl.gif

Clear foul, the defender nowhere touches the ball, not before, not after. Instead he steps onto or right before Robben's foot, taking Robnben down that way who was in forward movement. Robben just added a little thrust, but even without that it would have been a foul. Difficult to see, and so compliments to the ref.

HunterICX

06-30-14, 07:57 AM

Because it's dirty, cheap and simply not nice to watch?
Don't know, to each his own, if you don't care, fine.
I do though, a lot.

You do? I guess I misinterpreted the ''Huh, So?'' responce.

I actually do care too and the last foul by Mexico was a penalty even though Robben did bring in some extra drama but clearly is shown the defender stepping on his toes. Look Robben does overact in most cases and it sometimes do get on my nerves, but Mexico got really lucky in the first half with the duo flooring Robben in the penalty area.

So much that I wish FIFA would start punishing divers tremendously.
So hard, so devastating that no one ever dares to dive again on purpose.
Together with that, bring in video proof, so we won't have any wrong decisions/minimize them.

I agree, but we're talking about FIFA which doesn't stand for fair play. Which they have showed on many occasions.

This is football, not diving, isn't it?

Yes...so can still buy you a beer?

Rhodes

06-30-14, 08:33 AM

Better job than Ronaldo.

That is not so hard...:O:

Feuer Frei!

06-30-14, 08:47 AM

Clear foul?

Your point is faulty, since by your reasoning a simple touch is a foul.
If that was the case, then all touches are fouls.

The defender was going for the ball, the ball went past his foot/boot, and he placed his boot where gravity put it.
He committed his foot/boot for the ball.
Robben the olympic diver made it look like the biggest foul on the planet was committed.
Robben shouldn't be judged. He tried it on, He attempted to deceive the ref.
He won! The Reffing once again leaves a lot to be desired.
The Dutch could not finish the job without exaggeration.
There is a difference between putting your whole leg out to foul someone or to put your boot down inadvertantly when goiung for the ball, and the ball going past because too quick.
Big difference.
He won!

Now, let's hope Muller for Deutschland won't do something like this, he is also renowned for a swan dive every now and then. :)

EDIT:
I'll add this, from a different angle, makes him look even worse:

http://worldsoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/robben-dive.gif

Skybird

06-30-14, 11:03 AM

The defender hits not the ball, but Robben's foot, and the dangerous rush for the goal by Robben is brought to a halt. Intention or not is not important here. Case closed, the rules are clear there. Granted, Robben added some thrust to his liftoff, but that was after the foul, and doe snot really matter, its eye candy.

Sorry, Feuer, that was a penalty fully conformal with the rule. The ref's behavior also illustrates that: he did not hesitate one second, but immediately ruled it as a foul.

:03:

mapuc

06-30-14, 12:57 PM

A little bit late..

Forgot one more expectation for the next World Cup

The possibility to shot down the commentary sound and just listen the game and the spectator.

Our commentator Swedish and the Danish are awful.

Markus

Oberon

06-30-14, 01:37 PM

Meanwhile during last weeks Germany vs USA game, on twitter:

http://38.media.tumblr.com/f3c36af36005f8ee9d893d3e3018e15c/tumblr_n7wbrdI6Bj1qebgx2o1_1280.png

:hmmm: :/\\!!

Rhodes

06-30-14, 01:45 PM

France wins, so in the next round it would be France vs Germany/Algeria! :hmmm:

soopaman2

06-30-14, 02:33 PM

Meanwhile during last weeks Germany vs USA game, on twitter:

http://38.media.tumblr.com/f3c36af36005f8ee9d893d3e3018e15c/tumblr_n7wbrdI6Bj1qebgx2o1_1280.png

:hmmm: :/\\!!

It comes from ignorant people who know very little about anything outside thier own small sphere of influence. Alot of Americans think we are the best, when we are simply ordinary like everyone else.

Nazism is pretty much banned in Germany so it makes no sense to me proving the ignorance of the tweets.

Why can't people say, wow, the Germans outplayed us, I am happy we advanced. (although that ref collision was bullcrap, and what ticked me off , is the ref thought it was funny. A few 4 letter words came to mind, none of them nazi)

It's embarassing as a country as I bet 99% of those tweets came from Americans, most of them bandwagon fans who will be out once America loses.

I think it all boils down to sour grapes, no one like a sore loser.:stare:

Late edit: I am still rooting for Algeria, I am still mad at you sausage eating beer drinking, great car making, economical powerhouses. (see some positive stereotypes ;))

Jimbuna

06-30-14, 03:24 PM

A great result for France but Germany (currently ingame) are not having it all their own way.

soopaman2

06-30-14, 03:34 PM

A great result for France but Germany (currently ingame) are not having it all their own way.
Despite the even score, Algeria is clearly outplaying the Germans, getting good looks at the net nearly at will.

Algeria looked great throughtout the tournament, really an underestimated team.

Very sound athletic, and tactical game.

soopaman2

06-30-14, 03:52 PM

Being able to somewhat understand spanish, I giggled at this when it happened. Only because I love soccer chants. Chelsea, and the "Celery song" is one of the funniest things I ever heard at a match.

The ESPN announcer actually warned American audiences that calling the goalie a Puto was a tradition. He said something along the lines it was a homophobic slur. Though I more see it as "sissy" or "effeminate" and not "fag" like what most say. Typical American hypersensitivity.

My source? I know alot of Mexicans. They got much better words for gay slurs

soopaman2

06-30-14, 04:59 PM

Germany wins!:sunny:

Ich bin ein Berliner ..."JFK" (pronounced with the Boston accent) Berleener' LULZ
Not bad, not bad at all.

Rhodes

06-30-14, 05:03 PM

Funny, puto in portuguese means young boy. The feminine form in the other hand does mean something worse!

soopaman2

06-30-14, 05:15 PM

Funny, puto in portuguese means young boy. The feminine form in the other hand does mean something worse!

Puto can have multiple meanings, it is not as offensive amongst Puerto ricans.

Cabron is another example, I hear Mexicans use it freely, but to a Puerto Rican you will get punched in the face for using it. Cabron to them means "cuckold" a man who enjoys watching his wife be pleasured by another.

Dialects is a wierd thing, and meanings behind the words used culturally.

I see no problem with the "Puto", it is simply American hypersensitivity, over a literal translation, not a contextual translation.

(edit: Though I am quite sure they use the feminine form, why wouldn't they?:D)

You still got to match American football in hooliganism, we threw batteries and bottles at Santa Clause.

Rhodes

06-30-14, 05:24 PM

soopaman2

06-30-14, 05:41 PM

Cabron/Cabrão (in my language) has a diffrent meaning, but the true is an old goat with bigger horns. Normaly use for bad character guy - the motherf... in english.

And Germany has the ticket for the next round, almost up and still 1-0!

The American announcer could not help but to state that Germany and France shared a battlefield before.

Was that necessary? I am starting to catch small uncalled for shots here and there. ESPN is trying too hard to be funny/edgy.

I am about to watch on Univision, which made the Germany/USA game awesome for me, the Spanish guys are alot more animated than the English/American team ESPN uses.

I don't even know Spanish like that, but the tone of voice told the game.

Skybird

06-30-14, 05:50 PM

The German team lineup now is with Libero again, and without goalie. :hmmm:

First half: terrible.

After that: so-la-la. Convincing this all was not. Even if the stats were more clearly in favour of the Germans the longer the game lasted after halftime, it was not convincing. And the defence showed exactly the kind of weakness that I feared before the tournament. Mertesacker good, Boateng gambling, the other two defenders: were there two more defenders in the first 60 minutes?

Yes, they made it. But no reason to celebrate for how they won.

Congrats to the Algerians, they played incredibly strong in the first 60 minutes, then lost their physical stamina, it seems.

Manuel Neuer the best man on the green, by a huge lead.

Feuer Frei!

06-30-14, 09:33 PM

First half: terrible.
Agreed.
They played like they were lost, absolutely no idea what to do with the ball when they had possession.
The passes converted were attrocious.
They played like a Under 21 team.

Mertesacker good No he wasn't. He had a bad game, his lack of speed, which you allude to and i agree with was on show for all to see.
He made some bad errors and he was outpaced time and time again. Boateng was actually quite strong, with good saves, and good positional play.

Manuel Neuer the best man on the green, by a huge lead.Absolutely.
He showed why he is amongst the top 3 keepers in the world.
Had it not been for his reading of the game, Germany would have lost this game. There is no doubt about that.
71% of the earth is covered by water… …The rest is covered by Manuel Neuer.

Against France, if they play like this, they will get torn to shreds.
Man up!

The Vampire's apology:

http://media.tumblr.com/8c307355560c0c97ed9c8f33a483bccf/tumblr_inline_n80by9N4Wo1ryfaxj.png

kraznyi_oktjabr

07-01-14, 02:08 AM

Very entertaining match!

Great respect to Algeria for fighting to the end. No give up after setbacks just kept trying. Very different game compared to FRA - NIG match.

Jimbuna

07-01-14, 04:51 AM

Algeria should consider themselves unlucky and the Germans must show rapid signs of improvement if they want to prcoceed further in the tournament.

Man of the match for me was the Algerian goalkeeper Rais M'Bolhi.

Skybird

07-01-14, 05:20 AM

Boateng gambled too often, Feuer, he compensated that with speed, granted, but several times he was on the brink of causing havoc by reacting too late, being undecided. Just one scene where he acted from first tenth of a second on with all detemrination and speed. Thats why I said he did a 50:50 job. Mertesacker was not good, but of the very shaky and underperforming defence still the best.

See how the author here sees it.

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014/article129636405/Note-5-fuer-Goetze-Lahm-ohne-Impulse-und-Ideen.html

Jerome Boateng: Vertrat Mats Hummels in der Innenverteidigung. Katastrophal, was er in der Anfangsphase spielte. Fehlpässe, Stellungsfehler – er hatte ein faszinierendes Potpourri an Fauxpas' parat. Da hätte Hummels noch mit 40 Grad Fieber besser gespielt. Es soll allerdings nicht unerwähnt bleiben dass er kurz vor Ende gegen Slimani rettete. Note: 5

Per Mertesacker: Noch der Beste der deutschen Verteidiger – was zugegebenermaßen nichts heißt. Gut im Kopfball, aber wenn er in Sprintduelle musste, dachte man automatisch an eine startende Dampflok. Auch beim Gegentreffer zu spät dran. Note: 4

Neuer was best German man, but of the field players, Schürrle probably was the best.

The team lacks consistency. Since several years.

Now comes France, a highly emotional match between the too, after that it would probably be Brazil, and after that either Argentina or Netherlands. One more half like the first half yesterday, and Germany can say Farewell. A favourite for the title they are no more after yesterday.

Skybird

07-01-14, 05:39 AM

Ah, and finally an article that puts Löw's stubborness into doubt.

http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014/deutsches-team/nach-fast-blamage-gegen-algerien-loews-sturheit-kostet-deutschland-fast-den-titel_id_3958208.html

I thought like that very often in recent months. And during the last tournament, the lacking tactical flexibility of Löw in a match, who never seems to have a plan B, and opposes any demand to form one, and who seems to be extremely clumsy regarding adaptation to changing or different tactical needs during a running match, has been object of discussion and cirticism already. Löw seem to live by the premise: "Either by my first idea for a way - or no way."

His choice of defenders for the final cadre I have criticised before the tournament. Trading two or three of the best German defenders in the league for three almost no-names, is quite much. And it shows its revenge already.

Feuer Frei!

07-01-14, 06:17 AM

Skybird:

what do you think about Löw NOT fielding Klose when Germany were on the ropes in first half.
I thought that was a strange decision, considering the state of the game.
I know the ball wasn't really getting up into Algeria's box anyway, but even in the second half, No Klose????
Very strange indeed.
Didn't he do the same to Kose in 2010 wc? Play him off the bench?
His fitness is not questioned, at 36 he is supreme.
Klose i say because he is a out and out goal getter, like Thomas, but he is a talisman.
Lucky that Schürrle gamble paid off, great goal by him, made Jogy look good i think :D

Don't forget Hummels is coming back.
Hummels has proven himself in the group stage.
Probably best defender in die Mannschaft.

Interesting article, ty for link.

Skybird

07-01-14, 06:26 AM

Maybe he did not wan to trade Müller for Klose.

I don't know.

What he needed, was more defence, not more offence, at least after the first half. And generally a faster pace of almost all players. They were lucky that mental concentration and phyiscla fitness of the Algerians detoriated from halftime on. In the beginning, the Algerians both outtraced and outdanced them.

Feuer Frei!

07-01-14, 06:34 AM

Absolutely agree.
They were incredibly lucky to get out of that with a win.

I don't know enough about the French side to be honest.
Have you watched them recently?

Last time i watched the French was when balloon head (Fabian Barthez was still playing).

Obviously they are a good side, technically better than Algeria obvioulsy, but are their styles similar to Algeria?
Ie good counter attackers, quick, solid defense?

They will be a hard nut to crack.

Germany so far has been relying on the opponent to have a weak or weaker defense, so that they can score at least.
But if the French have a solid defense as well, and Germany cannot score, then the title race may well be over im Viertel Finale

Skybird

07-01-14, 06:50 AM

Don'T know much about the French after their climax some years ago. Jiust that they technically are very good, always tactically disciplined, and always try set up a fight, especially against germany. I recall two great duels from 82 and 86 when I still was at school (82). especially the match from 82 was a nailbiter.

The total record of Germany against France is slightly negative. I rate them like the Italians: a traditional "Angstgegner" of the Germans. Often they both were simply more "abgebrüht" than the Germans. "Abkochen" we call it in German, don't we.

This Friday, after yesterdays match, I blindly give a tip for France, they are favourites. But if the Germans get back into swing until then, it once again will be a match between equals, I suppose. But that needs a massive German improvement as precondition. So, the chance that this Friday Germany will be out, is 50% . Or higher.

Skybird

07-01-14, 06:54 AM

Just read that Bierhoff sees the French as favourites, too. That may be his team job' mandatory statement, maybe. But maybe it is his real opinion as well.

Jimbuna

07-01-14, 06:59 AM

Going on both teams most recent games the French are a good way ahead but as we all know very well...anything can happen in a one-off encounter over ninety minutes.

Dan D

07-01-14, 09:32 AM

France will play more openly like e.g. Portugal, so that gives the German team more room to play its game. I think that France should lose this match.

The Algerian coach did a great job and showed how you can beat the German team with Yogi Löw as coach who seems to be unable to make the necessary tactical changes. Mustafi and Höwedes as defenders must be put on the bench, Mustafi is injured anyway but Höwedes needs to be replaced because he is way too slow to match with players from NL, Brasil or France and he is unable play the position of a full-back.
Durm who is a real left full-back should replace Höwedes and Lahm should replace Mustafi by playing as right full-back. The back four with with four central-defenders does not work against teams who play like Algeria.
By putting pressure on every player but Mertesacker the Algerian coach used the same tactic that Borussia Dortmunds coach Klopp used to beat Bayern Munich imo when Dortmund attacked all players but Dante who did not know what to do with the ball.
The ball possession was always with Mertesacker who has the least technical skill and who is unable to play an opening pass.

I am sure that Löw will screw things up again. :salute:

Oberon

07-01-14, 12:43 PM

Meanwhile in Brazil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQR890g0AVc

BossMark

07-01-14, 02:45 PM

Going put my neck on the line and say the US to win this.
So my apologies now for being a jinx.......

soopaman2

07-01-14, 02:48 PM

Going put my neck on the line and say the US to win this.
So my apologies now for being a jinx.......
Would be an even bigger upset than USA getting out of the first bracket:03:

Belgium is a tight team, I will be cheering my boys on proudly, but I see some sadness in my future.:wah:

No jinx, America was Jinxed when we submitted the team roster to FIFA ;)

Dread Knot

07-01-14, 02:53 PM

Well, there are about 650 Belgian supporters on site versus 15,000 American ones. The Belgians will have to be loud.

BossMark

07-01-14, 02:53 PM

@soopaman2 what ever the result they have done your nation proud :yep:

soopaman2

07-01-14, 02:59 PM

Well, there are about 650 Belgian supporters on site versus 15,000 American ones. The Belgians will have to be loud.
We are closer, if it was in Germany it would be the opposite.

@soopaman2 what ever the result they have done your nation proud :yep:

Indeed, we kinda showed the world we can play a bit, and most importantly made the sport mainstream here, at least for a little while.

Rhodes

07-01-14, 03:18 PM

We got the first and possibly unique streaking by someone!

soopaman2

07-01-14, 03:52 PM

Halftime.

USA is getting outplayed, but not to the extent of the Germany game.

USA is getting at the net, Tim Howard (Jersey!) is saving this game for us, as well as a nice ability for the Americans to get a foot or head on the ball close to thier own net.

Overall, I am not as demoralized as I was watching the Germany game.

I think we are still in it!

GO USMNT!

This Yedlin kid is a speedster, I am watching him. Dempsey is due too.

soopaman2

07-01-14, 04:46 PM

Almost 90 minutes in, a draw still, although the Belgians have been barraging our net in the second half.

Tim Howard is truly a world class goalie.

Dread Knot

07-01-14, 04:51 PM

Almost 90 minutes in, a draw still, although the Belgians have been barraging our net in the second half.

Tim Howard is truly a world class goalie.

Yet another save by Howard!
Edit: and another one!
Edit 2: and another one!
Edit 3: you get the gist of it. It's the Tim Howard Show.

Rhodes

07-01-14, 05:00 PM

Belgium!

Edit: 2-0

soopaman2

07-01-14, 05:02 PM

Heart is officially broken.

Tim couldn't do it alone. Despite doing it alone all game..:wah:

Sooo how about them French?

Dread Knot

07-01-14, 05:05 PM

Had our chance to win it with Wondalowski in normal time and blew it, and now Belgium takes advantage. Ah well, Howard's the only reason we even survived this long.

Dread Knot

07-01-14, 05:08 PM

Heart is officially broken.

American Football is coming. Maybe the cheerleaders can dry your tears with their poms. :D

http://media.azfamily.com/images/12-1-13-NFL-CHEERLEADERS-GETTY.jpg

soopaman2

07-01-14, 05:08 PM

100 minute mark, Tim Howard just got save number 40. (scratch that, 14 sounded like 40, darn british accent)

Those are hockey goalie stats...:oops:

soopaman2

07-01-14, 05:18 PM

They bring in Green for Bedoya, then Green score....

The USA is teasing its fans now.

Dread Knot

07-01-14, 05:20 PM

Making a game of it. No matter the result, Saint-Timmy-between-the-sticks goes down in US soccer history.

soopaman2

07-01-14, 05:26 PM

Making a game of it. No matter the result, Saint-Timmy-between-the-sticks goes down in US soccer history.

That free kick trickery almost tied it up, the USA refuses to die!

soopaman2

07-01-14, 05:37 PM

Congratulations to Belgium, they deserved to win.:sunny:

With that said, at least we didn't make it easy.

Thank you to the USMNT and Jurgen Klinnsmann (a fine coach IMHO) for bringing pride to our country. Sure we lost, but we made for a hell of a showing at this years World Cup.

Tim Howard must be heartbroken, his own clubmate scored on him, gotta make for some good trashtalk in the Everton locker room.:D

(edit: at least our guys didn't throw any games http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-wc-cameroon-accused-20140630-story.html)

Say what you want about the usa policy wise, but we always fight to win.

Skybird

07-01-14, 05:57 PM

Dread Knot

07-01-14, 06:00 PM

It was a good run. Getting out the group was a major accomplishment, and having an opportunity to win the round of 16 game that just didn't quite come together is even more impressive. Disappointing in the end, but the US team ought to have pride in getting as far as they did. And Howard...there's not a high enough honor to give that man.

momo55

07-01-14, 06:12 PM

One of the better matches on this world cup till now imho . Both teams choosed to play with a open and offensive spirit and i found it a fair game . No ugly tacles etc......

Good fight by the US team indeed and yes we deserved to win this time . The US keeper was "man of the match" for me :rock:.....

soopaman2

07-01-14, 06:26 PM

Good fight by the US team. Since years, a not sprinting but steady and constant rise in US football's quality. Klinsmann turned them into a team one can no longer wave off easily. I think in four years they will show up even stronger, and then - who knows... If US sports would not be so heavily commercialised on TV (breaks for adverts and the like), it possibly would have a much better stand in US TV media. Hockey, American football and basketball simply have more TV spot breaks.

I did not see all of the game, though, was switching back and forth between cheannels, there was a pretty well done 90 minutes documentary on bees on another channel. I was unable to decide...

You missed the Tim Howard show! (New Brunswick, New Jersey!)

Klinnsmann did a fine job, and our guys worked really hard.

You also hit the nail on the head with the commercials.

Due to the difficulty of airing 5 minutes of commercials every 10 minutes, there is very little money in Soccer/futbol. We have a MLS (major league soccer) league, but it is kinda a joke, as any player who is world class caliber, opts to play in Europe. (we got a washed up Beckham, too bad they did not know the "Posh Spice takes it up the (backside)" chant, you silly Euros liked to use on him.

The European scene is much more lucrative financially and pride wise.

Look at American basketball, the best in the world come here to play, Same with Hockey, look at all the Russians we got, baseball, alot of latinos, The money is here, alot of sponsors, alot of prestige.

If America can somehow figure out a way to bring sponsors to the sport, in a way that does not disrupt the non stop nature of the game, then maybe we can have a serious league.

I always wanted to see a true world league in any sport really.

I always found it arrogant that the World Series only features American team, well ok we got one Candian team too, but barely...

Anyways, I ramble.:D

mapuc

07-01-14, 07:39 PM

My prediction - One of these eight teams will win the World Cup

Joke aside

France - Germany: Hard to say None of them have convinced me so far. I do hope that Germany will win

Brazil - Columbia: Here I give Columbia a little advantage. However Brazil is playing at home and with and extra player(Spectators) everything can happen

Argentina - Belgium: Same here none of them have convinced me. Of course Arg. Have Messi, but with him all alone on the field they would not come far(for me it looks like the other player are just standing there and see what Messi do or don't do)

Holland - Costa Rica: Holland is also one of my favorite team in this World Cup I do hope they will gear up and show us that they mean business

To be honest I really don't know which of these 8 teams will go to the Semifinals

Markus

Horst Degen

07-01-14, 08:25 PM

Congratulations Belgium! :up:

Jimbuna

07-02-14, 04:22 AM

Great game but in all honesty the beter team won, Howard has the official record for the most saves in a game (15) since records began in 1966.

USA have a lot to be proud about...a gutsy determined effort, only wish England would play with such passion.

Dan D

07-03-14, 04:22 AM

I don't get it why Germany has put its best field Player between the sticks
Manuel Neuer Pass & Skills Amazing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymQB5120rlM&feature=youtu.be)

sweeper-keeper

Skybird

07-03-14, 04:36 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-28141308

Jimbuna

07-03-14, 05:35 AM

I don't get it why Germany has put its best field Player between the sticks
Manuel Neuer Pass & Skills Amazing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymQB5120rlM&feature=youtu.be)

sweeper-keeper

Possibly the second best keeper in the competition on current form...behind Tim Howard of the USA.

soopaman2

07-03-14, 07:20 AM

I got this!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f259/Soopaman2/BrhvSSHIQAAuum-_zpsb721c0cf.jpg

Whoever did this on the Wikipedia page is hilarious, and my hero.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f259/Soopaman2/Brfpmp6IUAASzDP_zps51091f6f.jpg

The internet is alight with memes like this.

Dan D

07-04-14, 01:50 AM

USA: Belgium
"Howard was absolutely fantastic, but if your goalkeeper has to make a record-breaking number of saves, something has gone wrong higher up the pitch"
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/07/03/belgium-2-1-usa-belgium-dominate-but-takes-ages-to-make-the-breakthrough/#more-10810

Germany : Algeria
"The most obvious tactical feature of this game was the extremely aggressive role played by Manuel Neuer, who wasn’t so much a sweeper-keeper, more just a sweeper. He took up extremely high starting positions and repeatedly collected the ball outside his box...
Any tiny mistake could have been catastrophic, but Neuer’s decision-making was spot on throughout the game, and had it not been for his proactive goalkeeping, Germany would have struggled against Slimani even more.... Changes are needed if they’re (GER) to triumph, but you can say the same about almost every contender".
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/07/01/germany-2-1-algeria-aet-algeria-press-and-counter-attack-brilliantly/

Same here: if the goalie has to go sweeping that far out of the box, something "has gone wrong higher up the pitch".

I will add that it needed some nerves to watch this as a supporter of the German team.

Today, Neuer will need to make use of his hands, too.

France: Germany: 4:5

Jimbuna

07-04-14, 03:59 AM

Your predicting a 5-4 win to Germany?

Skybird

07-04-14, 04:32 AM

He means penalties.

Jimbuna

07-04-14, 04:43 AM

Ah right...I'll cancel the asylum transportation order :)

VipertheSniper

07-04-14, 05:06 AM

He means penalties.

Would be a rather exciting game if that was the score after regular time, or regular plus extra time though.

Apart from that: I don't think Germany will make it to the semis. Too many players who aren't in top shape atm.

Wonder who will go through to the semis in the second quarterfinal, Columbia looked pretty solid thus far, Brazil not so much.

Dan D

07-04-14, 05:45 AM

RT, AET, PSO whatever, I mean that I am hoping for a game that future generations will still talk about.

Please wait 'till the world cup that is giving my life at least some structure right now is over before you call the asylum transport.:woot:

Feuer Frei!

07-04-14, 07:45 AM

Apart from that: I don't think Germany will make it to the semis. Too many players who aren't in top shape atm
So you're saying France has met quality opposition in Honduras, Switzerland, Ecuador and Nigeria and their wins purely on paper look better than Germany's?
I wouldn't call any of those opponents, apart from Switzerland perhaps as something of a quality side.
Certainly Algeria and Ghana play a much more aggressive style of football than any of the French opponents.
France's results look good on paper perhaps, but they have had battles as well, most notably the last game, where the French didn't score until 79th minute and 90+2 ot against Nigeria.
A dour draw against Ecuador, i won't mention Honduras and Switzerland scoring 2 goals in the 81st and 87th minute (meaning it's possible to score against France late in the game).

No team currently in the quarters has had a overwhelming success over their opponents leading up to the quarters.
None.
Netherlands had their struggles, Argentina has, Brazil has, (most notably the penalty shoot-out), Belgium, Costa Rica...

Just because a team has had 2 hard-fought wins over sides that the media and the fans expected them to win 5:0 doesn't mean it's over before the match begins.

Germany has history on their side against the Frogs:

In WC Competition that is: they have met three times before, Germany winning two.

I'm not nervous, i know they'll rise, they always do in big games.

Trouble is, everyone always expects Germany to win and win 3 or 4:0 every game.
And when they don't, have a off day or come across a team who fights to the end and pushes them all the way, they get written off as losers before a game.
Pah!

Go Germany.

BossMark

07-04-14, 08:27 AM

France and Columbia to go through, I just hope its in the 90 minutes and not extra time....

VipertheSniper

07-04-14, 09:01 AM

So you're saying France has met quality opposition in Honduras, Switzerland, Ecuador and Nigeria and their wins purely on paper look better than Germany's?
I wouldn't call any of those opponents, apart from Switzerland perhaps as something of a quality side.
Certainly Algeria and Ghana play a much more aggressive style of football than any of the French opponents.
France's results look good on paper perhaps, but they have had battles as well, most notably the last game, where the French didn't score until 79th minute and 90+2 ot against Nigeria.
A dour draw against Ecuador, i won't mention Honduras and Switzerland scoring 2 goals in the 81st and 87th minute (meaning it's possible to score against France late in the game).

No team currently in the quarters has had a overwhelming success over their opponents leading up to the quarters.
None.
Netherlands had their struggles, Argentina has, Brazil has, (most notably the penalty shoot-out), Belgium, Costa Rica...

Just because a team has had 2 hard-fought wins over sides that the media and the fans expected them to win 5:0 doesn't mean it's over before the match begins.

Germany has history on their side against the Frogs:

In WC Competition that is: they have met three times before, Germany winning two.

I'm not nervous, i know they'll rise, they always do in big games.

Trouble is, everyone always expects Germany to win and win 3 or 4:0 every game.
And when they don't, have a off day or come across a team who fights to the end and pushes them all the way, they get written off as losers before a game.
Pah!

Go Germany.

I'm not saying all of that, I'm saying that the fitness of several players for Germany is an unknown. Seven players show flu-like symptoms, most notably Müller, Hummels caught some infection, although I hear he's fit for todays game, Schweinsteiger was at his limit and they had to go through extra time in their last match.

Even though I'm from Austria, I would really like them to succeed. I just don't think they will. I expect a nailbiter though

Jimbuna

07-04-14, 10:22 AM

Who do England play next? :hmmm:

Rhodes

07-04-14, 10:24 AM

Who do England play next? :hmmm:
Portugal or spain, I think!

Jimbuna

07-04-14, 10:27 AM

Portugal or spain, I think!

Touché :)

nikimcbee

07-04-14, 10:30 AM

Now that there's nothing better going on.. Great moments from a bygone era....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxspfInbLV8

nikimcbee

07-04-14, 10:32 AM

Touché :)

Nevermind the World Cup, when's the Ashes?

Jimbuna

07-04-14, 10:38 AM

Now that there's nothing better going on.. Great moments from a bygone era....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxspfInbLV8

Rgr that :smug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzsOOLIsZ-U

TarJak

07-04-14, 11:35 AM

Nevermind the World Cup, when's the Ashes?
Not for another couple of years yet. England has to get beat by India next.

Nippelspanner

07-04-14, 12:56 PM

JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TarJak

07-04-14, 01:05 PM

What a boring match.:yawn:

Catfish

07-04-14, 01:12 PM

^ Did not find it boring, well played by both sides. And it is not the boring "standing football" from two decades ago.

Fast paced, lot of runs towards the german goal (with 30 degrees Celsius), but the german defence was very good, especially Neuer :03:

Better than against Algeria, nice game with a lot of chances for France.
Very good passes in the german team, only Hoewedes never got one - wrong side.

Semi final !! :up:

Oberon

07-04-14, 01:52 PM

This is going to wind up as Germany vs Netherlands, isn't it?

That's gonna make for a match and a half. :haha:

soopaman2

07-04-14, 05:26 PM

I lost a dollar to my old lady on that Colombia game.

So embarassing when someone who never even watched a match, one ups me in sports picking.

She came in second in our football (gridiron) pool last year just picking based on uniform colors, and maybe a player she heard of. Women...

She's picking Germany all the way, the Jerseys are "cute".

I would drop a few bucks on them, she has been stellar.:D

Skybird

07-04-14, 05:31 PM

Finally the Germans seem to regain what traditionally is seen as their core virtue: real Kampfgeist. I am still not satisfied with how they played - but they played a lot better in most regards then before, and the changes in the lineup helped. However, the French had their moments, too. Hummels and Boateng did extremely well, Lahm showed where he really belongs in Löw's team. Klose was a disappointment, he really did not had the match on his radar, it seemed to me. The attackers' department scored too little goals. That a defender scored the only goal, hopefully doe snot become symptomatic for things to come.

Brazil now waits for them, and the Kolumbians showed them their limits. With one key player banned (second yellow), and their star player maybe also missing, or handicapped, the German might have a chance to beat Brazil indeed, if they can figure out how to take Luiz out of the match.

The matches tomorrow probably will see Argentinia and Netherlands as winners as predicted, but I do not know who will beat whom of these two. Key is to find a solution to neutralise Robben, or Messi.

Skybird

07-04-14, 06:01 PM

mapuc

07-04-14, 06:06 PM

Oh, and hang the referee of the match BRA-COL. That man was an offence to the rules and the game. The match marks the record climax in number of fouls at this tournament. And what did he do in reacting to it? He let it happen, did nothing. Some cards, and Neymar would not be in hospital now, crying from pain according to witnesses in hospital. I counted at least half a dozen fouls worthy to be rewarded with a yellow, and one maybe even a red. Them match saw over 50 fouls in total.

Agree on the referee-issue. We need pro-referees that doesn't care(or ain't afraid) if one of the team are playing at home with thousands of spectators supporting them. There was a few Brazilians that got a yellow card.

Markus

Skybird

07-04-14, 06:43 PM

The Brazilian goalie got one yellow for a last-minute brake, the penalty resulted in the 1:2.

And Silva got one yellow for interfering with the goalie during kickoff.

There were 56 fouls, and one seriously injured player (Neymar).

No, I do not think the relation fits.

Feuer Frei!

07-04-14, 07:11 PM

I'm happy with the Germans performance.
Finally, the best Aufstellung since the tournament started.
And Ice Ice Mertesacker wasn't missed. Plain to see why.

Lahm, good game, took him a while to get into the game,
Klose, very unimpressive.
Normally involves himself very well and aggressive, but in this game? maybe too hot or too old.

Mats, du bist ein Star :rock: I like his style, he is Germany's best defender, without a doubt.

Schweinsteiger, good game, controlling things from the middle.

Neuer, no libero antics needed this time but made a crucial save in the dying minute of game that would have been painful for us.
He could have gone down to cover a low shot but stayed upright, and like a pillar defended the strike away. Awesome.
Once again, it proves he is currently nO. 1 shot stopper in the world.

Defensively, still some holes and worries, but, a much better performance.

Bring on Brazil, Scolare was quoted before the columbia game saying to his critics: They can go to hell :haha:

Let's hope Brazil goes to hell in the Germany game (fig. speaking ofc)

Feuer Frei!

07-04-14, 09:12 PM

So it looks like Neymar is out. Breaking his 3rd vertebrae in the Columbia match.

And Silva, the captain definately out after receiving a second yellow in that game.

Good for Germany.

Skybird

07-05-14, 04:42 AM

Yes, good for Germany, but while I am grinning over Silva who really simply acted stupidly and foolish and deserves his ban, I regret Neyma - you do not want to sneak to victory by your opponent being tackled by fate like this.

Makes me even more angry about this piece of dog dirt of a referee. He really paved the road by his inactivity for the mountain starting to slide. And Neymar was given a very special treatment by the Colombians all game long already. A ref has the duty to prevent such goings. I think he shares his part in repsonsibility for Neyma's serious injury.

On the German team lineup, one more change I want to see: leave out Özil. The tournament bypasses him completely so far, he definitely got caught on the wrong foot by it. Five matches, five self-neutralizations - not impressive at all. Schürrle from beginning on?

Jimbuna

07-05-14, 05:56 AM

Not overly impressed with either game last night but that is what often happens 'entertainment' wise when the stakes are high.

Looking forward to the Brazil v Germany encounter and wouldn't be surprised if the winner of that game wins the competition outright.

Skybird

07-05-14, 06:06 AM

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014/article129820879/Neymars-Verletzung-hat-ein-juristisches-Nachspiel.html

Carlos Velasco Carballo ist als Schiedsrichter verschrien, bei dem die Karten locker sitzen, Gelbe wie Rote. Er ist dadurch schon vielfach auffällig geworden, zum Unwillen vieler. In der spanischen Liga, wo er pfeift, brachte er es mal auf die Bilanz von 135 Verwarnungen und Platzverweisen in 20 Spielen.

Die Frage ist nun, was nur aus Kartenpistolero Carballo geworden ist, der die Leitung des WM-Viertelfinals der Brasilianer gegen Kolumbien aus der Hand gab und beide Teams wild aufeinander losgehen ließ. Insbesondere in der letzten halben Stunde, wo seine ordnende Hand dringend vonnöten gewesen wäre. Es dauerte 40 quälend lange Fouls, ehe Carballo die erste Verwarnung aussprach. Das Spiel und die Spieler waren ihm da schon entglitten.

Es ist hypothetisch, aber vielleicht wäre dieses Foul in der 87. Minute gar nicht erst passiert, hätte er energischer durchgegriffen und den Entgleisungen zeitiger einen Riegel vorgeschoben.
The same referee, article says, is known to be shooting sharp with cards, holding a league record of having given 135 yellow red in 20 Spanish league matches
...? Are we talking about the same ref...?

What has FIFA told their referees to do in the tournament that such a card-sniper turns into such a blind lamb? Waste players if it helps to boost the number of dramatic scenes? Gladiator fights attract more audience and thus are better for sponsors than sportsmanship? Money over fair play? Considering what a criminal Mafia-like clan FIFA is, it would not be surprising.

Also this:
http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014/article129820879/Neymars-Verletzung-hat-ein-juristisches-Nachspiel.html

Quite some critics attest that FIFA seems to run a policy that favours gladiator fights over technical skilled players - who just get plowed under.

Some centimeters higher - and Neymar would have been paralysed for life. Imagine what heart-warmingly biographic documentaries FIFA could have filmed over such a bitter fate!" Think of all that money for sold DVD and broadcasting licenses! FIFA really had bad luck yesterday.

Feuer Frei!

07-05-14, 07:12 AM

I'm wondering if the ref was influenced by the Columbian cartel(s) maybe.

Not the first time the Columbian underworld has fingers in Columbian matches.

When one's life is threatened, and that of your family, a bad performance is not that unusual.

Remember Escobar !

It would not be a far-fetched notion that.
A match stat:
Columbia 23 fouls to Brazil 31,

Feuer Frei!

07-05-14, 07:31 AM

Schürrle from beginning on?

Maybe Poldi, Mezut is a Angriffs-Verhinderer at the moment to the National Elf.

Problem is, Mezut is Jogy's darling. :haha:

Skybird

07-05-14, 07:34 AM

Podolski is weak atm, too. An astral projection of his former self only. :) Vertraut mit der Macht sich wieder er machen muß.

There are some names on the secondary bench that I cannot sort in. Maybe one of those. I don't know.

And one for the record keepers: the Germans have reached for the fourth time in a row the semifinals. A first in football history.

Feuer Frei!

07-05-14, 07:46 AM

There are some names on the secondary bench that I cannot sort in. Maybe one of those. I don't know.

Not many really suitable to Midfield or Central attack,
Tony Kroos is a out and out defender, although has played in midfield, Draxler is midfielder by nature, Ginter und Durm are defenders.

Mertesacker not in the equation since he's a defender.

If replacement is taking place, they will have to put Muller in there, supplying Klose as lone striker.

There are options of course.

We will see.

The tactics for the Brazil game will take on a whole new context now.
Different style to France.
I feel maybe France more dangerous than Brazil. Brazil's defence is shaky, like ours, And now with Neymar and captain Silva out, it really evens the playing field even more, i just hope that the German brains trust and players don't fall for that.
There are still plenty of strong options for Brazil.

Will be a intriguing match i think.

Oberon

07-05-14, 12:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwzQVlpYxMU

Oberon

07-05-14, 04:01 PM

Considering his ailments, Navas is a damn good keeper. I mean, he has tendinitis in the shoulder joint and a dose of acromioclavicular arthritis and he's still really being a wall to the Netherlands.

EDIT: It's fairly obvious though that Costa Rica are playing dirty on this game because they're outclassed by Holland, they want to drag it down to penalties where they can snag a goal and knock Holland out. It's not honourable, it's not good football...but it is a valid tactic and probably about the only one they can use. It will be a damn shame for the Netherlands if they lose this on a penalty shoot-out.

Wolferz

07-05-14, 05:39 PM

Blocks man hug attempt by Armistead upon arrival at LAX.:O:

http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/tim-howard-s-defense-shines-yet-again-as-he-blocks-fan-s-hug-attempt-070414
Is there nothing this guy can't block? Oh wait, two goals in their loss.:D

Oberon

07-05-14, 06:12 PM

Well, that's a close one. Dutch manager played a good move bringing Krul on, Navas, bless him, was tired and probably in a fair bit of pain by the end of that match, Krul was fresh and unbloodied.
Holland deserved that win, they didn't deserve it to go to penalties, and I imagine the Dutch hospitals will receive an increase of cardiac patients shortly.

mapuc

07-05-14, 06:42 PM

Dare to guess the outcome of these two semifinals ?

I hope Holland and Germany win

Markus

Oberon

07-05-14, 06:44 PM

Dare to guess the outcome of these two semifinals ?

I hope Holland and Germany win

Markus

Me too, that would be a game to watch, those two at each other. Hoo-ee! :haha:

mapuc

07-05-14, 06:47 PM

Me too, that would be a game to watch, those two at each other. Hoo-ee! :haha:

just remembered that they meet for the first time in the 1974 World Cup final, 40 years ago.

Markus

mapuc

07-05-14, 08:53 PM

A headline in a danish news paper

"Experts believe that Brazil's gold-chance is gone after Neymars injury"

My response
It's definitely not good if a team can win Gold or not depend on a single player

Markus

Feuer Frei!

07-05-14, 11:11 PM

It's definitely not good if a team can win Gold or not depend on a single player

Look at Argentina. Messi.
Same deal.
Same shaky results.

BossMark

07-06-14, 12:23 AM

FIFA have denied that the world cup is fixed and that Brazil deserved their hard fought semi final victory against Germany next Tuesday.

Jimbuna

07-06-14, 06:31 AM

Not overly impressed with the Dutch last night but Costa Rica did their country proud.

The decision by Louis van Gaal on the goalkeeping switch was obviously a masterstroke and game winner, probably already agreed during pre match training.

My only wish is that Krul would perform like that for the TOON....as far as I'm aware he's only saved two of the twenty penalties he's faced for his club.

Jimbuna

07-06-14, 06:33 AM

Dare to guess the outcome of these two semifinals ?

I hope Holland and Germany win

Markus

I'm expecting an all South American final but Germany and Holland are well capable of spoiling the party.

HunterICX

07-06-14, 08:45 AM

Not overly impressed with the Dutch last night but Costa Rica did their country proud.

Guess they could be proud to get this far with shameful display of anti-football by just stalling and breaking down the game and bet it all on a penalty shoot out. :nope:
(and that goes also for that same thing they pulled of against Greece)

We played the game, Costa Rica just broke it :down:

Skybird

07-06-14, 09:12 AM

Costa Rica did kind of formation figure football. Their system obviously is extremely effective, and they are very functional and disciplined in implementing it. Being destructive for the opponent's play is not only a valid tactic, but is - once again - effective. Klinsmann has warned of Costa Rica since years now. And not for no reason, as we now have seen.

Clockwork Oranje just played - or tried to - as I expected. It makes them a strong team, and that is what it is about. But they depend a lot on Robben. And they can be beaten, I do not see that they are invincible.

Argentinia is a team of minimalists, who are very effective in managing a wanted score. Once they got their goal, they do not give it up again that easily - but also do not add much more to deliver a second punch. As somebody said already, they depend a lot on Messi. But they can be beaten.

Brazil - I think the Germans can compensate Brazil's individual class by their team spirit, on which Gary Linneker had this to say short while ago:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28172835

With two of their three most important players gone, only Luiz remains to be a major threat to the Germans' plans. That does not mean that the rest is harmless, obviously it is not like that, but Brazil has suffered two real weaknesses by these losses, and the goalie of theirs also is problematic.

It may surprise some people, but I think the Germans are favourites now, though only by a very small margin.

The duels next week?

Robben vs Messi
Hummels vs Luiz
Neuer vs the world

:D

Jimbuna

07-06-14, 09:20 AM

Guess they could be proud to get this far with shameful display of anti-football by just stalling and breaking down the game and bet it all on a penalty shoot out. :nope:
(and that goes also for that same thing they pulled of against Greece)

We played the game, Costa Rica just broke it :down:

Simply another tactic matey and perfectly legal.

Many can pick out 'divers' in national teams...Holland being no exception.

Feuer Frei!

07-06-14, 09:25 AM

Neuer vs the world

71% of the world is covered by water.
The rest by Neuer.

Skybird

07-06-14, 10:28 AM

The Brazilians imo try to play foul: they have demanded FIFA to neutralise the yellow for Silva, arguing on basis of article 37 of FIFA's disciplinary statutes.

I would support Brazil if by magic and mircale they could bring back Neymar. But Silva acted unfair and unsportsmanlike and stupid, and I do not see why the rules should be bend on behalf of such a fool's interests. We already have seen a massive erosion of the meaning of rules and cards. And now this should get trough?

No to Silva. He kicked himself into that yellow, and he should suffer for it. If he brought a disadvantage over his team by his action, then that hopefully will teach him and them a well-deserved lesson.

Something tells me that the Brazilians' chance with corrupt FIFA are not as bad as one may think at first. Its all policy these days.

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014/article129842617/Brasilien-fordert-Aufhebung-von-Silvas-Gelbsperre.html

Skybird

07-06-14, 10:41 AM

Did you know?

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-28128439

ReallyDedPoet

07-06-14, 10:54 AM

The Dutch baby :yep:

Jimbuna

07-06-14, 11:14 AM

Did you know?

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-28128439

No I didn't and I'm not sure I wanted to :)

Skybird

07-07-14, 04:40 AM

According to German tabloid "Bild", the chief referee of FIFA has given a secret order before the tournament that refs should avoid yellow cards "as long as possible" and should not give them "too early" in matches anyway.

The report coincides with a very obvious and lousy performance on display by referees at this tournament. If the report is true, it would not longer be only coincidence, but a causal explanation why a festival of fouls of increasing brutality has to be celebrated at this tournament and why players with outstanding technical skill are declared fair game by refs.

The German football association is absolutely critical of the desastrous referee performances at this tournament, attacking FIFA for accepting to damage the health of players.

http://www.focus.de/sport/wm-2014/heftige-kritik-an-fifa-obmann-massimo-busacca-nach-wirbelbruch-foul-an-neymar-die-wm-wird-zum-treter-festival-geheimer-fifa-befehl-bremst-die-schiedsrichter_id_3971108.html

Dan D

07-07-14, 04:46 AM

Brasil : Germany "0:2"

BossMark

07-07-14, 04:48 AM

My predictions for the semi-finals, Germany to beat Brazil and Argentina to do the diving cheating clog wearers :yep:

Feuer Frei!

07-07-14, 05:21 AM

Schweinsteiger is concerned with over the limit tough tackling style of Brazil.
Against Columbia they amassed 31 fouls.

And remember the ref from Uruguay v Italy game, where Suarez, the other vampire played?

Well, he's reffing Germany v Brazil game :down:
Marco Rodriguez.

God help Germany.

Jimbuna

07-07-14, 12:49 PM

Brazil to beat Germany and Argentina to beat Holland.

Nippelspanner

07-07-14, 12:49 PM

Brazil to beat Germany and Argentina to beat Holland.
Shush you!

Jimbuna

07-07-14, 12:51 PM

Shush you!

It will be an all South American final but there is always a chance there will be an all European final which would be a turn up for the books.

Skybird

07-07-14, 02:26 PM

I bet against you, Jim. :salute:

I read somewhere a good argument, saying that in both Europe and
South America, they nowadays play one and the same football style - the European. And I think the Europeans know better how to play that, than the South Americans.

With latest news just in, saying that Silva indeed is out now and Brazilian protests at FIFA have been blocked, Germany has even better chances.

I think there will be a an all European final. Germany-Netherlands: ein Knaller.:yeah:

At least if Löw does not coach the German advantages away again, like he did four years ago. That he listened to to the massive criticism now and changed his lineup, gives reasons to hope he has learned something.

All expectations calculated before any FIFA secret ref order interferences come into play. :-? The refs cannot be trusted anymore. :shifty:

Jimbuna

07-07-14, 02:58 PM

I bet against you, Jim. :salute:

All expectations calculated before any FIFA secret ref order interferences come into play. :-? The refs cannot be trusted anymore. :shifty:

I'd like to see the English officiate over the final but we have blotted our copybook with the head of The Family by criticising him publicly in recent times.

kranz

07-08-14, 08:47 AM

for skybird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djuaippXifM
(i'm on his ignore list so sb pls repost this for him).

Rhodes

07-08-14, 03:23 PM

2-0 Germany!
3-0 Germany, in the next minute!
4-0 Germany, in the next seconds :o :o :o :o
5-0 Germany!!!!! Humiliation and it is still only 28m!

Nippelspanner

07-08-14, 03:29 PM

I don't believe what I've just seen! :haha:
Neymar gone = Brasil gone.

Oh look, 5-0 as we speak!
AHAHAHAHA :har:

I am sorry for all Brasilian fans, really. This just hurts.

Oberon

07-08-14, 03:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao-a3FHZp7E

Enough said, this has to be what Germany is using.

Skybird

07-08-14, 03:33 PM

Meine Fresse...! Schlachtfest...!

Nippelspanner

07-08-14, 03:51 PM

Meine Fresse...! Schlachtfest...!
More like...

BLITZKRIEG! :D

Schroeder

07-08-14, 03:59 PM

It has come to a point where I actually feel sorry for the Brazilian fans.:88)

HunterICX

07-08-14, 04:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IynteMtSBxo

nothing more has to be said I think.

Skybird

07-08-14, 04:23 PM

Even with Neymar and Silva the Germans would have been individually and tactcally better.

The only thing I still complain about is that Oezil still is in the starting lineup.

25 min to go.

Rhodes

07-08-14, 04:25 PM

Another one! :huh::dead:

Skybird

07-08-14, 04:26 PM

6 to 0...

Last time Germans beat a team 6 to 0 at a world cup was I think 1982 against Mexico.

Rhodes

07-08-14, 04:35 PM

7-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skybird

07-08-14, 04:35 PM

Seven Nill.

Skybird

07-08-14, 04:38 PM

They just said the highest victory of a German team at world cup was 2002 against Saudi Arabia, 8 to 0.

Rhodes

07-08-14, 04:46 PM

Honour goal to Brasil!

mapuc

07-08-14, 04:57 PM

When you in the future look in the dictionary for the word "Humiliation"

A picture of today match between Brazil and Germany will to be seen with text under it

"Humiliation -in world cup 2014 the Brazilian football team was Humiliated by the German football team

Back to serious talk

Had any one of you expected this !?

Markus

Schroeder

07-08-14, 05:08 PM

Had any one of you expected this !?

Markus
I had thought it impossible.:doh:

Feuer Frei!

07-08-14, 05:12 PM

All you nay-sayers can go and take a hike!

Deutschland über alles!

Revenge for 2002 and Khan has been exacted.

Skybird

07-08-14, 05:13 PM

I had it by chances 53:47 for Germany, and something like 1:0, 2:1, maybe 2:0 by goals.

Brazil's problem is something much deeper than just missing Neymar and Silva, you cannot explain a 6 goal difference by them missing. Maybe an empotional collapse within the players, considering all the hype and emption and expectations loaded onto them - as I had hinted some time ago, some pages earlier.

New match, new cards - this evening means nothing for the final on Sunday. Hope the Germans do not take off, but stay well-grounded. Then they are the favourites, no matter whether it will be the Dutch or the Argentinians.

Rumour says the Dutch and then Argentinians already negotiate over a draw to avoid the Germans. :D

Schroeder

07-08-14, 05:19 PM

I guess if someone had placed a bet on that outcome the rate would have been a brazilian to 1.

Okay that one was bad but it's midnight here.:O:

mapuc

07-08-14, 05:20 PM

Here are my thoughts before game start

I do hope Germany will win, It will be Brazil who draw the longest straw, they are playing at home, supporting by 60-80000 spectators and a referee that will be like other referee, judging fair, but with a little advantage for Brazil

Markus

Feuer Frei!

07-08-14, 05:24 PM

It is oh so sweet, after having watched the 2002 final and to see Brazil win.
Khan, my alltime favourite German player (and will always be) sitting against the goal post, was terrible for me to watch.

I'm glad they thumped them by 6.
Good to see all the bRazil fans in tears.
No mercy. I hope its Argentina. We can rout them as well, 4:0 in 2010 wc.

Bring it on.
No matter who they play, they will be hard to stop.

Schroeder

07-08-14, 05:30 PM

Feuer Frei!

07-08-14, 05:38 PM

What's the hatred? This isn't war and they didn't rape your children. :nope:
Hatred? What's your problem?
You go for Brazil did you?
Get over it.

Let me enjoy my win.

I'm saying it's oh so sweet to see Brazil get demolished like that.
If you've got a issue with that then your problem.
You take offense to the fact that the fans cried?
It's football semi final in a world cup
You take offense to me enjoying my Team's dismantling of a football nation.?
The same one that won over us in 2002?
You take offense to me stating that it's sweet revenge?

Think before you post

Schroeder

07-08-14, 05:45 PM

Hatred? What's your problem?
You go for Brazil did you?
Get over it.

Let me enjoy my win.

I'm saying it's oh so sweet to see Brazil get demolished like that.
If you've got a issue with that then your problem.
You take offense to the fact that the fans cried?
It's football semi final in a world cup
You take offense to me enjoying my Team's dismantling of a football nation.?
The same one that won over us in 2002?
You take offense to me stating that it's sweet revenge?

Think before you post

First of all as you should know by now I'm German so it's out of the question for which team I'm rooting.

Second I don't take offense that the Brazilian fans are crying, that's normal.

I just think you exaggerate in your hatred with "no mercy" and stuff. It's just a football game.
So you see I actually thought about what I posted.

mapuc

07-08-14, 05:53 PM

This is what the Danish commentator said a few minutes after Germany had scored to 7-0

"Ladies and Gentlemen I hope you are enjoying the game 'cause you are witness to history being written"

Markus

Feuer Frei!

07-08-14, 05:56 PM

No exaggeration.

No mercy is 1 of two things in this game that was played.
I'm alluding to the fact that it could have gone one of two ways:
1) No mercy=7:1 score line
2) Show mercy (feel sorry for them, play conservatively, stand deep in defense, stack the midfield, all players behind ball, shut down the game, play boring football, play safe, protect lead, ensure semi final win, etc etc)=1:0 scoreline.
No thanks.

That's what i meant by no mercy shown.

I'll be the first to congratulate the opposition if they beat Germany.

But a win like this doesn't come often.

Schroeder

07-08-14, 06:00 PM

Feuer Frei!

07-08-14, 06:05 PM

Ah, okay then it was a misunderstanding.:salute:

Kein Problem. :salute:

For the German speaking contingent here

interview with Joachim Löw, after the game:

http://www.dfb.de/news/de/d-fifa-wm/joachim-loew-wir-haben-klasse-kombiniert/60510.html

mapuc

07-08-14, 06:22 PM

Kein Problem. :salute:

For the German speaking contingent here

interview with Joachim Löw, after the game:

http://www.dfb.de/news/de/d-fifa-wm/joachim-loew-wir-haben-klasse-kombiniert/60510.html

Only positive words al around Germany. I do hope that Löw will find any hole in the German strategy-if there is any.

Sometime a team can't see the fault itself or the team they are playing against. Until they meet a team in which the coach have seen the hole in their strategy

Happened to Sweden many years ago, they had played some matches before they had to leave for World Cup. They had won every game and the press was like "This is the best team Sweden ever have sent to a World Cup" a.s.o
Until they met Denmark in a last test match
Denmark beat Sweden 6-0

Markus

Feuer Frei!

07-08-14, 06:29 PM

@mapuc:

anything can happen, as you saw today.

I'm comfortable with the brains-trust of the German team, their preparations for their opposition thus far has been exemplary.
Methodical. i think that the key to Germany performing well in the final is that they not get carried away by this Euphoria of beating Brazil.
Joachim Löw doesn't strike me as the type of coach to let his players get too carried away with this win.
Of course there is such a thing as overconfidence.

I am also comfortable in knowing they won't let that get to them, ie becoming lax, thinking they are invincible etc etc.

They have a very good team mentality, all the while staying grounded.

But, as you say, anything can happen.

Skybird

07-08-14, 07:07 PM

Lets not loose ground under our feet. Brazil was weak, and probably was overestimated before the tournament. All that (hysterical?) emotion, all that tears and crying and more emotions,k and then national pride, and tears and - guess what - more emotion. Just listen to the interview by the Brazilian goalie afterwards, I thought that honey would start dripping out of my TV set any moment. I mean emotions are all nice and well, but I think the Brazilians have bathed and wallowed in them, and in tears, and sentiments and national pride and - wait - didn't I just say that...

This must have shifted the focus of players, and it must have been a mortgage for the players - too much is just too much. Even if it is tears and wallowing emotions.

One must also ask whether Brazilian football maybe indeed has changed, and players do not have the individual class anymore that once set them lightyears apart. Southamerican football has become more European in the past 6-8 years, no doubt. One already saw the shift in the last cup win of Brazil. And with the huge ammount of internationalization in football, national specialities in playing styles and skills become less obvious. That is also the reason why "football dwarf nations" can become so stubbornly uncooperative in getting just cleansed off the table anymore.

But that is their problem, not ours. :03: German football had to dramatically change as well, over the past 12 years or so. It started to do so when the era of French dominance started. It became playful, and enjoyable, just not effective and not including the traditional German fighting and team spirit. This now has been added again. The result was the performance of this night.

I feel not necessarily triumph over the Brazilian fans, why should I. But I love to see seeing the Brazilian team getting filleted. Their constant crying - and the hype about how fantastic they are - and their physical brutality in past games on several occasions really killed a nerve of mine. But the fans of theirs - lets remind of the fact that the German players are incredibly popular and well-liked in Brazil. No need to mock the Brazilian fans.

mapuc

07-08-14, 07:11 PM

Found this funny post on Facebook

1-0: Samba has come to Germany!
2-0: Who turned off the sound from 61,000 Brazilian fans at the stadium?
3-0: Neymar wrote on Twitter that he's ready, as a substitute, with a broken vertebra
4-0: The national sport in Brazil is now handball.
5-0: A whole world is in shock and are concerned if Brazil even enters the field in the 2nd half.
6-0: The Brazilian coach requests FIFA to accept 11 exceptional substitutions!
7-0: The supporters get their money back in order to avoid disturbances after the game. Players pay of their own pocket.
7-1: Brazil is allowed to play a Bronze medal match against Argentina or Holland to avoid history's greatest humiliation

Markus

Skybird

07-08-14, 07:46 PM

I laughed about a German tV comment in first half, it was something like this:

"Of course the Brazilians had taken into account that there were chances of 50:50 that Brazil would loose to the Germans - but nobody thought about a 0:5."

Oberon

07-08-14, 08:38 PM

I think I shall harvest some of the twitter comments I've seen and post them here:

BBC TWO:
Well, this is awkward...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsDfpbVIcAABDO2.jpg

Charlie Brooker:
I don't know much about sport. Does the World Cup final usually have only one team in it?

FutbolBible:
Christ the redeemer right now
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsDLMrwCAAIkFt4.jpg:large

Sue Perkins:
Germany have gone for the classic 4-3-3 formation, whereas Brazil have opted for the more pioneering 0-10-0

RickyGervais:
This won't be the first time that thousands of Germans will have to lie low in Brazil for a while for their own safety.

Well played Germany, now we just have to hope that Argentina falls over as well tonight so that we can get the classic rivalry match. That will be something worth watching, if only to read Hunters drunken rage/celebration on Steam. :03::haha:

Feuer Frei!

07-08-14, 08:45 PM

@Skybird:

Goes to show how out of form Mesut Özil is.
Missed a sitter in the 89th minute.
If he was on song, he would have buried that.
I think, in fact i'm pretty certain, any of the other German players would have scored.
I agree with you, why does Jogy persist with him?

What was remarkable was that Manuel Neuer and Bastian Scheweinsteiger were furious with Mesut Ozil for not defending in midfield. When Brazil scored their goal in the 90th.

BossMark

07-08-14, 11:34 PM

Well done Germany I hope Argentina do the same to the cheating diving clog wearers tonight so that the nice bookie pays me 80 quid :D

BossMark

07-08-14, 11:40 PM

A great tribute from the Brazil team to Neymar. He couldn't play so the rest of the players decided not to either.

nikimcbee

07-09-14, 12:00 AM

Holy blitzkrieg Batman!

So there is scoring in this sport?

CCIP

07-09-14, 12:09 AM

A great tribute from the Brazil team to Neymar. He couldn't play so the rest of the players decided not to either.

:haha:

What a game, seriously!

Skybird

07-09-14, 07:04 AM

Some basic reflections on the state of things in Brazilian football.

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014/article129953345/Scolari-tut-beinahe-so-als-sei-nichts-passiert.html

Bad technical education of the players, bad tactical training, lacking psychological training and mental stamina, the author says, corrupt national football association, no good trainers of Braziliuan origin. Maybe the magic of Brazilian football simply has faded over the years - and until yesterday just nobody noticed.

Nevertheless they already talk about their sixth title in 2018. Just a delay, that's what happened. Really?

Add "loss of sense for reality" to the list above.

Jimbuna

07-09-14, 07:36 AM

Missed the match because of work committments but couldn't believe the updates coming through on the iPhone at the time.

Got home and watched the game +1 hour after real time and must say it was definitely a one horse race.

Hopefully the Dutch will see off the Argentinians and create an all European final in South America...more history in the making.

Not all doom and gloom now Sky, looking at your early thread comments/predictions :)

Skybird

07-09-14, 08:44 AM

I have read through all it this night, and I do not take back one word. At the time of typing things, I think I gave realistic and correct descriptions of state of things. I also here and there pointed at what needs to change - and that were things they changed and improved indeed. So I admit I see little reason to regret what I said, and what I said all in all was constructive, and right.

Before the tournament, things were indeed like I described them. The defence was shaky for sure, the last matches before the tournament were desillusionizing, Klose seems to be dangerous still but is not playing all match long still, Lahm has changed positions, weak players identified still are weak and meanwhile all got traded out of the starting lineup (except Özil).

What was gloom and doom in my predictions? If these things would not have been changed, which I demanded, then the Germans would have died a beautiful death meanwhile for sure. Or a less beautiful one. Algeria was no nice game, US was close, it was a reasonable playing for the demanded result, but no beauty of a match either. You may have noted that I metaphorically scratched items off my criticism list one by one, since they changed them. As a consequence of their corrections, they now are the favourites. Something that they were not before the tournament. The only item still on my list is that Özil gets replaced, he even played bad against Brazil, and even took fire from his colleagues during the match for his performance. And a problem could rise regarding Hummels, who got not exchanged to save him, but because he has growing problems i his knee, currently in intense treatment. It is hoped, but is not certain, that he will be able to play on Sunday. If he cannot, the best card to neutralise Holland' unpredictable ace, Robben, or Argentina's Messi, would be out, which is a handicap for Germany and opens a certain hole in the defence again. We have seen the effect of Hummels missing in the early match.

Heck, even Löw himself seems to have changed for the positive, no longer stubbornly and unflexibly sticking to plan A and if that fails, not doing anything, but now he is listening to criticism form our media, and is adapting his tactic and lineup. Löw is one of the biggest German surprises to me in this tournament, he showed to be able to move beyond his shadow.

No, Jim, I do not think I have been that much off reality. And regarding yesterday, I say the same what I said after Portugal: those matches were against teams that set up no real challenge, but collapsed in major parts all by themselves. On Sunday, Germany is favourite now, no matter whom they will meet. But both Argentina and Holland could deliver the lucky punch to Germany. And then yesterday's 7:1 becomes meaningless again immediately. It was not only German strength yesterday: it was plenty of Brazilian weakness as well, like Portugal.

The Netherlands probably know Germany better then the Argentinians, so I expect them to be able to set up the tougher fight. But if they beat Argentia, I would win the bet I had with you, Jim :O:, and before the tournament I saw them as one of the top favourites anyway, so they have my blessings.

For the last time during this cup, however...

Feuer Frei!

07-09-14, 09:08 AM

Something that they were not before the tournament
Maybe in your eyes.
And i'm not speaking from bias here, but you talk to any football professional, be it player, media, critic, etc, Germany is always, regarded as one of the favourites at major tournaments.
No denying that, no matter how many 'shortcomings' or 'holes' they may have or have not in your eyes,
I agree with a lot of what you say, but take it for what it is:
We are in, and regardless of the finer details of their shortcomings, in big tournaments they have an unrivalled record for consistency and placing in finals games.

Be it EURO or WC.

Did you think the team was better in 2010? When they routed England and Argentina, but died that death, which wasn't beautiful?
I think the current team is much better, and there are reasons for that which i won't re-hash.

You say they played poorly against mediocre opposition.

Mediocre on the day maybe, but, rather than being critical of the shortcomings in those games, look at the positives. To come away from those mediocre performances with a win still takes something which is not mediocre.

My point is you labor on the negatives of the Mannschaft.
A win is a win.
A representation in a WC Final is a win.

That's all that matters.
So far.

Skybird

07-09-14, 09:36 AM

I do not shift that much focus on how things were more or less time ago in the distant past, I focussed on the past months before the tournament, which were more indicative for what the status of the team was, then how they were 2010.

And the German team was in a weaker shape before this tournament, then in 2010, yes. As a team - not as individual players who obviously have won, for the most four years of experience since 2010. The team dynamics did not work too well in the past months, the past 4-8 months or so. The results in matches showed that, and how those matches were played.

The point is: they became stronger DURING the tournament. Like I described a post above. That was not to be forseen or taken for granted before the tournament - to have assumed that would have been speculation only.

Many, and you as well, point at the Germans being a "tournament team", but that again is a curious empirical finding that describes history, but makes no predictions for the future (that is irrational to assume), and the DFB holds no courses in how to be a "tournament team". The effect that this term describes and means, is the result of other factors that fall in their correct places in the German football landscape, and national team, and DFB environment. and the variables helping these effects to shine have been given the right treatment during the tournament, and it has helped the general climate in the team.

But before the tournament, the Germans were not favourites. I stick to that. Argentina and Brazil, Spain maybe, Netherlands certainly, possibly Italy - and then came Germany. My biggest fault was with what I expected of Portugal - I hopelessly overestimated them.

Seeing the Germans as favourites before the tournament was romanticising their present state at that time, like the Brazilians romanticised about the imagined strength of their team. The difference is: the Germans grew again during the tournament's so far 3 weeks. The Brazilians did not, they started weak, and remained weak. Their lack of technical and tactical class and mental strength was obvious, the high number of fouls and their physical roughness was the symptom. No Brazilian ball magic anymore. The 70s are over, dear Brazil - wake up to reality. Like Germany had to maybe 15-20 years ago, too.

I stick to it, when the things that were criticised before the tournament would not have been addressed during the tournament, we would not be in the finals now. the team there is now is in a better shape than it was in just some weeks and the past months ago. That is easy to see. And it is logical. If oyu tackle and switch off deficits and weaknesses, you become stronger. If you imporve the climate in the team, the better for you.

The only thing left to be corrected now is Özil.Loyalty all nice and well, but since 6 matches he plays weak, often even bad. It's the finals, Özil has had six chances. He must make room for somebody else. Mach's nicht wieder mit Coachingfehler kaputt wie 2010, Jogi!

Interesting comments by both Scholl and Kahn, who both said something like that the players have grown up now and no longer submissively just obey Löw, but stand up and play their own part in the game and take responsibility, interacting and managing the game on the pitch by themselves. This is the change to what I also criticised in past times when I said Löw's boy group were so nice and polite and clean and tidy, just good, well-behaved boys. It all was too much about Löw. It seems it is not like that anymore. Maybe that is why Löw gives so much more a relaxed impression, too. The kids have grown up, they must no longer be told by Daddy how to play the game - they now play it by themselves. That is at least true for the older players, and they seem to take care for the younger ones as well.

In a way it is the closing of the full circle that began with Klinsmann in 2006.

mapuc

07-09-14, 01:24 PM

I forgot to tell you a funny story

OK here goes

I saw the first German Goal and just when the ball was over the goal-line for the second goal, my signal disappeared. I have Satellite tried some other channels they were OK. No signal to ANT2. Hmm made a check on this cable no damage

Then the picture came back-now imagine my face when I saw this on the TV-Screen
Brazil-Germany 0-5

Ok back to todays Semifinals between Argentina and Holland

Germany did as I told them to do, win the next to matches. Holland have won the first and hopefully the will win the second tonight.

MArkus

vanjast

07-09-14, 01:47 PM

Well i was sitting here at my box... the wife and eldest were watching.
the wife came through to make tea, saying 1-0 to Germany.
'Well they're one of the favourites' was my comment.
Barely had those words left my mouth and my eldest shouted '2 Nil'..
'Alrighhht, it's not over yet' I piped..
'3 Nil'
'What !!!', both the wife and I ran though to the lounge...
'4 Nil'
'The Brazillians must be crying.... They were.. 5 Nil... Is the stadium still full ??'.

I seen this happen in all sports... a good side just falls flat for 'no apparent reason', but I suppose there are the reasons as mentioned.

Oberon

07-09-14, 02:29 PM

Even the BBC was struggling to keep up last night, it was 2-0 at first when I checked, then Hunter mentioned on Steam that it was now 4-0, I checked back to the front page of the BBC which was still on 2-0. :haha:

Feuer Frei!

07-09-14, 06:04 PM

Dam. Argentina goes through on penalties to meet Germany in the Final.

What a way to go out in a semi.

Congrats to Argentina.

I'm not familiar with Argentina's team, apart from Messi of course.
And that Argentina are a team that relies too heavily on Messi.
Shut down Messi, shut down Argentina?
Maybe not that simple, but would go a long way to victory.

Marcantilan

07-09-14, 06:56 PM

Skybird

07-09-14, 08:42 PM

Very boring match, I switched off in the middle of second half.

German chances have risen once again. I think Netherlands would have been more difficult for them to play against.

Historically, German record against Argentina is positive. And its the third time a world cup final is played by these two teams, yes...?

With that performance of the Dutch and Argentinians today I again say that the Germans must accept to be called clear favourites now. After the past matches of Argentina, as far as I have seen them, I cannot see them defeating a Germany that maybe plays not again as overwhelming like against Brazil, but better than against France. A German performance set between those two matches, should be sufficient for this Argentina of last evening's match.

Even more so when Hummels can play.

Feuer Frei!

07-09-14, 09:09 PM

When you are too reliant as a team on 1 player (Messi), then there are clear opportunities for the opposition to triumph.

Even Maradonna has admitted as much.

He will be in the stands watching his beloved team.

I will agree, Germany as clear favourites.

On the back of THAT win, they will be hard to stop.

But, anything can happen.

A wc final will demand a different play style again, from say a semi final.

Getting to a wc final is the ultimate goal and dream for any team.

No-one wants to lose a final, once getting there.

Once you get there, teams have a tendency to play too conservatively, cautious gameplay, bordering on purely technical.

Will be interesting to see the first 15 minutes in this game, to see who dominates.
Or rather tries to.

The danger for a team is to sit back and play conservative, waiting for the counter.

Once again, i don't know much about the players of Argentina, their recent playstyle indicates what i said up top.
Too reliant on Messi.

That can play into Germany's hands.

Stifle and suffocate delivery to him, and perhaps that is half the encounter won.

Perhaps.

BossMark

07-10-14, 01:45 AM

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee374/rothwellwhite1/150740_600_zps61df1eed.jpg

Jimbuna

07-10-14, 03:49 AM

Sad to see Holland go out to Argentina, especially Argentina.

Pity about the substitution rules or Krul may have been able to come on and effect the change needed in a penalty shootout.

Not surprised Cillessen has never saved a penalty in his professional career.....doesn't look like he ever will.

Hopefully Argentina wil make a worthy apponent to Germany in the final but I put the Germans down to win by two or more clear goals.

Dan D

07-10-14, 04:32 AM

Messi as a forward and Mascherano in the mid-field, are the backbone of the Argentine team.

Germany will be local in RJ, due to the football rivalry between Brazil and Argentina.

Three days before the Word Cup starts, I bet for Germany. I am regretting that now...

Will the best win!

PD: The last sentence is a lie, Argentina, Argentina!

:)

Before the start of the tournament my prediction was Argentina to win the world cup.

They have made it to the final now, so my prediction was not that bad.

The fact that they are playing the final against my country Germany?:hmmm:

The match is completely open.

Deutschland! Deutschland!

Feuer Frei!

07-10-14, 05:07 AM

Sad to see Holland go out to Argentina, especially Argentina
Going out via penalties in a semi is cruel.
Although the dutch only did 1 thing well. Shut down Messi.
To be honest, neither team deserved to win. But a winner it had to be.

Not surprised Cillessen has never saved a penalty in his professional career.....doesn't look like he ever will
:haha: True that.

Hopefully Argentina wil make a worthy apponent to Germany in the final but I put the Germans down to win by two or more clear goals.
I think they will. A final is a final.
Where teams play with all on the line.
The hard work has been done. To get there.
Now, by playing wreckless perhaps or even too defensivley (waiting for the opposition to make a mistake) is dangerous.

Argentina on the whole are a better team than Brazil.
They will give Germany a good contest.
They will need to be on their guard.
The Germans have already said they expect a much tougher opponent in Argentina than Brazil.

Brazil is a shell of its former self.
Argentina is not.
Defensively they are a lot more cohesive. More compact.
Their attack, well, Messi.

My prediction Germany 2 Argentina 0 or 1.

I hope.

Skybird

07-10-14, 05:34 AM

When you are too reliant as a team on 1 player (Messi), then there are clear opportunities for the opposition to triumph.

Even Maradonna has admitted as much.

He will be in the stands watching his beloved team.

I will agree, Germany as clear favourites.

On the back of THAT win, they will be hard to stop.

But, anything can happen.

The Dutch had a strong attack. And they dried out on the pitch against Argentina. Argentina has dried out many teams in this cup. They play defensively, and with great discipline, from what i saw. Tough and sturdy defense, pulling Robben's, Snjider's and van Persie's teeth. And they are not as confused and emotional as the Brazilian players were. I think it will be difficult, very, for the German attackers.

Since the Argentinian attack meets a German defence that showed to be solid in past two matches, too, it could become a long match. Maybe even one that gets ended by tossing coins (penalties). Which would be bad. I only hope there is no problem with Hummels, they do not report about him anymore. Is that a good or a bad sign?

It won't be as easy as against Brazil. I expect a chewy meal to be served. Favourite or not, the match is open. Chances I rate as 52:48 for Germany again, like against Brazil before their match.

I hope for a ref that is up to the job.

Edit:
Very good German comment and warning:
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/deutschlands-finalgegner-argentinien-die-staerken-stehler-a-980230.html

Marcantilan

07-10-14, 08:51 AM

Well, all I could say is that I saw the German`s training match against Brazil and a I´m worried, as 99 % of the Argentine population who is following the Word Cup.

Germany is a superb team. Period.

But Argentina has good tactics (improving every match), Messi and we have the Argentine Pope, who surely is praying in our behalf. A pitty Benedictus retired and ended the "direct line" with the Guy above...

Regards!

Skybird

07-10-14, 09:39 AM

Mercantilian, your team's case is not so hopeless as you depict it, because it excels in destroying the other team's play, and always remains a force to count with in counterattacks. Such a destructive tactic is not beautiful to watch, and is not joyful for the audience - but it is effective, and that is what counts. In the end there is no B-note for artistic impression, only victory - or defeat (Van Gaal - I do not like this man one bit - is right when he says he hates matches for 3rd place, and that they should not be played. I think the same. Almost nobody recalls third and fourth places of past tournaments, they are immediately forgotten, but it is considered to be not nice to state the obvious). While probably the German team has technically better players on most positions, your team'S way of playing can destroy the German tactical team coordination that they describe as the "German machine" in the press currently. And if that happens - then we will see to what degree the individual technical advantages still mean something.

The "German panzers" will either do samba - or end like Kingtigers in the Bulge - having run out of fuel.

STEED

07-10-14, 10:04 AM

Germany please please win the final. :yep:

Skybird

07-10-14, 10:25 AM

If you donor the Argentinian team some British food, that would help our German boys. :D

:woot:

STEED

07-10-14, 10:32 AM

http://theheritagecook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Turkish-Doner-Lamb-Kebab2-iStock.jpg

They can have the doner kebabs they want, hate the stuff.

Skybird

07-10-14, 11:18 AM

Me too. I mean the taste was never my thing, but when I learned about how the meat loafs get created and what kind of stuff is in it - then I started to hate it.

During university I worked as a "cook" in a Biergarten kitchen for some weeks, one of many jobs I had, and one of the worst ever. Since the time I saw what was being done in there, I am extremely hesitent to visit restaurants anymore, and I certainly NEVER eat in minor imbisses. The mere idea kills my appetite immediately. If it must be a restaurant, then only an expensive one with transparent kitchen areas.

They say you get what you pay for. But with restaurants I would say you often do not get what is worth the money. I prefer to stay out.

mapuc

07-10-14, 12:37 PM

this is from an Danish article

I have used Google translate

"
After being drawn through the 120 minutes of death march of the World Cup semi-final between the Netherlands and Argentina, a fan presented Wednesday night a proposal that after the first immediate giggles had subsided, a frank discussion began about the format

The proposal, which appeared on Twitter, is as follow:

- Teams takes the penalty competition before the match - and find a winner.
- Then they play the game, and if there is a winner here, the penalty result is removed
- If it's still a draw after 120 minutes, the result from the penalty comes into order/action/force

The idea behind the proposal is that it would therefore force the 'losing' team from the preliminary penalty shoot-out to chase victory more in the actual game, which in theory will provide more entertainment. "

This is just a part of the story

Markus

Oberon

07-10-14, 12:40 PM

then I started to hate it.

I guess you remove it from premises?

Meanwhile some bored researchers at Cambridge University have compiled a list of the three most used words on the internet related to the various teams in the Cup:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsMhZr3IgAADu4x.png:large

Skybird

07-10-14, 12:40 PM

Skybird

07-10-14, 12:43 PM

I guess you remove it from premises?
Hm? :06:

Do I lose something in translation here?

Oberon

07-10-14, 01:05 PM

Hm? :06:

Do I lose something in translation here?

Well, surely if one has a kebab that one does not wish to have, one removes it from the premises? :hmmm:

BossMark

07-11-14, 02:17 AM

FOR SALE:

Medium size wet suit, snorkel, set of flippers.

Used on three weeks vacation. Of no further use.

Contact: A Robben, Netherlands.

Skybird

07-11-14, 05:19 AM

I cannot sort in what you mean, Oberon, premise I know to mean "Prämisse, Vorwegannahme, Voraussetzung, Räumlichkeit, Betriebsgelände, Firmengebäude". Vocabulary seems to fail me.

Jimbuna

07-11-14, 06:51 AM

I cannot sort in what you mean, Oberon, premise I know to mean "Prämisse, Vorwegannahme, Voraussetzung, Räumlichkeit, Betriebsgelände, Firmengebäude". Vocabulary seems to fail me.

Premises....such as a restaurant.
a.a tract of land including its buildings.
b.a building together with its grounds or other appurtenances.
c.the property forming the subject of a conveyance or bequest.

Skybird

07-11-14, 08:22 AM

Well, yes, that's what I figured, too. Somehow Oberon's mind and mine just bypasssed each other this time. Still have no clue what he was after...

Meanwhile, it became known that in halftime of the match GER-BRA there was a speech by the coach who warned against pushing the Brazilians into deeper despair, and a decision was being made in the lockers that the Germans would not attack any further but save the Brazilians from any further disgrace. Means: they switched back gears by policy change in halftime. This link

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014/article130048481/Brasilien-wurde-noch-verschont-von-den-Deutschen.html

refers to according statements by Mats Hummels in the Daily Mail.

If true and the Germans played with active parking brakes, one can imagine that they could have won even higher, if only they wanted.

Was it sympathy for the Brazilian public? Or fear to rise expectations too high regarding the German team? These two are not necessarily valid reasons, but one could tolerate them. But if it was to save the opposing team - this would have been the wrong motivation for this decision, then.

Article also says Hummel'S knee is fit again. Relief!

Marcantilan

07-11-14, 10:23 AM

Well, Argentina is going to wear the blue shirt in the final match (the substitute for the shirt with stripes), so we are really condemned now.

STEED

07-11-14, 12:23 PM

Me too. I mean the taste was never my thing, but when I learned about how the meat loafs get created and what kind of stuff is in it - then I started to hate it.

So we ship out all the doner kebabs from Germany and the UK to Argentina. :shifty: :)

READ ALL ABOUT IT..

Argentinian food poisoning, mass out break linked to dodgy kebabs.

Argentinian football team taken ill. :shifty: :shifty: :haha:

Marcantilan

07-11-14, 12:50 PM

Meat from abroad? Are you sure? Do you think any Argentine wants to eat any meat from abroad?

mapuc

07-11-14, 01:48 PM

Have been thinking of this idea for awhile it's not new this type of tournament is used in Ishockey

Here goes

Instead of 8 groups with 4 team in each we have only 4 groups with 8 team in each Group A to D

Each team plays against each other in their respective groups=7 matches for every team in

The first 4 from each group goes to two new groups E to F The rest those who came in place 5 to 8 can pack their things and leave

Here each team play additional 4 matches(they shall not meet the team they played against in the group they came from) Those who comes in place 5-8 in these two groups can pack their things and leave

The first 4 in Group E and F play Quarterfinal/semifinal and final and 3rd and 4th place

Markus

Oberon

07-11-14, 02:23 PM

Meat from abroad? Are you sure? Do you think any Argentine wants to eat any meat from abroad?

Definitely no need to! Argentina knows how to throw a damn good Bar-be-que, I have this from a reliable source. :yep:

Skybird

07-11-14, 03:33 PM

The taste of döner is a question of - well, taste. But what brings me into arms is the many scandals about döner meat loaf production, the inferior meat that often gets used, rotten meat, illegal meat from beyond borders, and meat that even was rejected to be used for animal food production. And, like with sausage production, there is always the high risk of simple slaughtering wastes being added in the process. In Germany, there is not for no reason the term "the Döner-Mafia".

Once you have seen film material about how these meat loafs get produced, you maybe loose appetite, too.

That also often chicken meat (yes, chicken meat) of dubious uncontrolled origin with high levels of medical drugs and antibiotics gets added into the production chain, is just the cream on top of it.

Ekelhaft.

The eyes all to easily can betray you, when standing at a döner grill stand. You cannot see what is in it once it got grilled. It must not even be bad intention by the grill owner selling döner. He just buys the prepared meat loafs from a small handful of factories. These are under the suspicion of having formed a cartel with Italian and Polish meat producer. At least five of these factories in Germany were shut down last year. Temporarily. Their identity usually do not get disclosed by officials - to not threaten profits and endanger jobs.

All industrial meat production now is suspicious, if not due to criminal energy, then for the high drug and antibiotics contamination. With chicken and turkey, pig, sausage and döner it is especially bad.

Which means not much more is left.

Ehem, football, yes. Football is one totem, two tribes, and no vegetarian in sight anywhere. :D

STEED

07-11-14, 03:40 PM

Definitely no need to! Argentina knows how to throw a damn good Bar-be-que, I have this from a reliable source. :yep:

Yea......

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads13/post+219+11456656651220810267.jpg

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/attachments/just-fun/26005d1235261225-nomad-left-his-tinfoil-hat-behind-tinfoilhatareaonly.jpg
((((Level 3 warning))))

STEED

07-11-14, 03:43 PM

The taste of döner is a question of - well, taste.

What taste? :haha:

To eat that all your taste buds are dead. :har:

Dan D

07-12-14, 06:50 AM

Listen, guys!

I dreamed watching the Sunday's world cup final Argentina:Germany last night.

The result was 0:0 after regular time with plenty of goal opportunities for Germany. The weird thing, there was no extra time and penalty shootout. In my dream a second match was scheduled by the FIFA, don't ask me why, those were the facts.

I woke up before the second match was played and so I did not get to know the result of the second match.

I guess, that means I have to predict a draw after regular time with extra time and probably even a penalty shootout out for Sunday's match.

Depending on what I dream tonight I might have to change my prediction.

Feuer Frei!

07-12-14, 07:49 AM

Depending on what I dream tonight I might have to change my prediction.

Or your medication.

Jimbuna

07-12-14, 09:56 AM

LOL :)

Dan D

07-12-14, 11:49 AM

Or your medication.

:) No, not medication. If anything, I have been eating superb tasting woolly pig (Mangalitza) sausages that night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangalitsa
It is a "fat-type" hog and so I probably did not sleep well.

No fat sausages tonight, I promise.

mapuc

07-12-14, 03:24 PM

I know this is not the funny thread, but it is funny and it has something to do with World Cup

Have a laugh

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/brazil2014/north-korea-not-in-world-cup-but-don-t-tell-them-that-1.2705201

Markus

Marcantilan

07-12-14, 04:03 PM

First half and NED 2 vs. Brazil 0.

...

Platapus

07-12-14, 05:05 PM

First half and NED 2 vs. Brazil 0.

...

But that was not good enough. 3-0 in the final :D

Skybird

07-12-14, 07:46 PM

Another lame match. I switched off at halftime.

Am no friend of matches for 3rd place anyway. But FIFA can again sack in good money from such matches.

Just a word of warning: the final begins one hour earlier than usual.

Everything is possible in this last match. I only hope they do not underestimate the Argentinians.

I hope there will be no penalty shootout, that would be the worst outcome possible.

Feuer Frei!

07-12-14, 07:50 PM

One more reason, and perhaps one of the biggest that Germany will win against Argentina:

Brazil fans will support a German win.
Argentina and Brazil are arch rivals.

Argentinian supporters were mocking Brazil's loss to Germany.
Even Maradonna, the hand of Drugs did so after that match.

Germany will have that advantage.
Amongst others.

History can be written here. Germany would be the first European country to triumph on South American soil and lift the trophy.

Adidas, the national supplier of Germany football has set a new record by selling 2 million German football shirts as of yesterday (12th July).

Latest FIFA rankings have Germany now at No. 1, following Spain's early exit from the comp.

Germany could very well dominate Football for many years to come.

They have players playing at their peak right now, with young players in the squad and also up and coming stars/talent who isn't even here at this world cup. Gundogan, Reus.
They could well do what Spain has done.