View Full Version : Started making my own nautical maps.
Jaystew
05-06-14, 06:51 AM
I wanted to get some better maps of the contours of the oceans, depth maps specifically. Can't find anything of good quality online without being limited to small size. So I decided to start making maps for operational areas.
The work will be slow but I plan to knock out a few dozen.
No1 http://i.imgur.com/4qwnnAA.jpg
No2 http://i.imgur.com/eWvI9eS.jpg
No3 http://i.imgur.com/HifwSx6.jpg
No4 http://i.imgur.com/EXXWmvn.jpg
No5 http://i.imgur.com/4Ejpvx4.jpg
REVISED and FINAL RELEASE Group No1 - No5
http://imgur.com/a/ssMsk#0 Link to the album containing all the contour maps...
Actual maps...
http://i.imgur.com/4qwnnAA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eWvI9eS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HifwSx6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EXXWmvn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4Ejpvx4.jpg
Let me know what you think. Feel free to use.
OldWulf85
05-06-14, 07:06 AM
Wow :o Good work !
Defiance
05-06-14, 07:39 AM
Niceone :up:
Sailor Steve
05-06-14, 10:29 AM
CHARTS! They're nautical charts!
Thank you. Now that I have that out of my system I feel much better. :O:
Oh, and that one is lovely. I can't wait to see more. :rock:
Aktungbby
05-06-14, 01:25 PM
This should help if you haven't discovered it on your own; Just finished reading the Great Cartographers - a useful tome in your endeavors!:salute: http://www.kartengruppe.it/index.php/nordmeer-deutsche-admiralitatskarten (http://www.kartengruppe.it/index.php/nordmeer-deutsche-admiralitatskarten) :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:Good work!:Kaleun_Salivating:awaiting great results! The one of San Francisco Bay (4' x 5') hangs on my mancave wall and is in my GPS Sailor IPOD which hangs in the gangway hatch when at sea-keeps the positional mapping paperwork down!:yep: Now if I can brain out the tacking on my new auto steerer to it, I can open a Hamm's!??:timeout:
Jaystew
05-06-14, 02:40 PM
Thanks for the positive feedback. I have been looking online for the actual charts they used, with depths. Alot of the materials online are blurry or non-existent. There are also terribly incomplete.
Was hoping we'd get more detail on the ingame map but oh well. The biggest thing I think that is missing is the depth contours. Where is that 100m and 200m line. The all important line of survival where the water gets deep enough to survive depth charged right?
So finally decided to make my own and then sort of standardize the format of them. If you liked that last one I think you'll love the next one coming.
Thanks much.
Jaystew
05-06-14, 03:07 PM
I like that site. I just cant see anything on those maps. The quality of the images is too poor. You can't make out any depths at all. Major features yes, navigable features no.
kartengruppe
05-06-14, 05:59 PM
contact me directly through this for:
http://www.kartengruppe.it/index.php/contatti
(http://www.kartengruppe.it/index.php/contatti)I think I may help you
KG (http://www.kartengruppe.it)
Aktungbby
05-06-14, 06:35 PM
I like that site. I just cant see anything on those maps. The quality of the images is too poor. You can't make out any depths at all. Major features yes, navigable features no.
http://www.kartengruppe.it/immagini/okm/0901-1000/0976-OBlatt.jpgARE we looking at the same site?
Jaystew
05-06-14, 07:22 PM
Read me a single depth off that chart. Maybe I need my eyes tested. Last time around I was better than 20x20. It might be possible to make that chart large enough and then sharpen it but I dont think so.
See this as an example of what I'm making.
http://i.imgur.com/w3N2DQZ.jpg
I find it easier to read.
Aktungbby
05-06-14, 10:33 PM
Apologies Thought you were interested in the contour lines only and would imput depths as you liked. Actually in the movie Master and Commander, the captain uses a loupe to look at the chart details and I am using a 5" glass lens on a flex stand to examine my post map; The way to go here IMHO would be to determine what commercial 'chandleries' are operating in areas you wish to map. In CA that is West Coast and they sell totally detailed charts on the heavy paper for around $13.00, as with my exceedingly detailed San Francisco Bay Entrance chart. These are becoming collectable as the Bureau of Engraving and Printing is ceasing as technology (IPODS) take over. A search of English and perhaps German boat supply stores would surely carry the same product. Keep up the great cartography! At least when you do 'operation drumbeat' you'll have no problems with the East coast! :salute: http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/AtlanticCoastViewerTable.shtml (http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/AtlanticCoastViewerTable.shtml) http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/11521/TileGroup0/5-10-4.jpg < Charleston Harbor similar to my SF Bay chart!:shifty:
banryu79
05-07-14, 02:56 AM
Outstanding work, awsome! :o
Defiance
05-07-14, 03:23 AM
Hiya's,
You have to dl all the rar's and extract, you use the pw given, then you get pdf's and on the chart parts u get images, i can zoom right in on desktop to see easily all depths etc
Amazing stuff :yeah:
Jimbuna
05-07-14, 03:48 AM
Read me a single depth off that chart. Maybe I need my eyes tested. Last time around I was better than 20x20. It might be possible to make that chart large enough and then sharpen it but I dont think so.
See this as an example of what I'm making.
http://i.imgur.com/w3N2DQZ.jpg
I find it easier to read.
Now that looks really promising :cool:
Jaystew
05-07-14, 05:30 AM
Yeah the NOAA ones are great. But they only cover the USA areas, and the other problem is there is no way to declutter them. Plus they have loads of modern data. So while detailed and great for their purpose I have ruled them out as a real source for WW2 cartography.
kartengruppe
05-07-14, 10:30 AM
Read me a single depth off that chart. Maybe I need my eyes tested. Last time around I was better than 20x20. It might be possible to make that chart large enough and then sharpen it but I dont think so.
See this as an example of what I'm making.
http://i.imgur.com/w3N2DQZ.jpg
I find it easier to read.
You understand, it is impossible for me upload full scan off all my maps and atlases on my collection. My site it isn't a business site, so I put only 1200 pixewl pics. And 1200 pixel are no many to see a 40 inch map!
But some time ago I've uploaded on mediafire some full scan. See here, it is an old post but it have some interesting links
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=198880
(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=198880)
by www.kartengruppe.it (http://www.kartengruppe.it)
PS: yours pics are a good job but, if you would realistic, remember, KM maps have names & informations only in their language
Defiance
05-07-14, 11:05 AM
Thankyou :salute:
Jaystew
05-07-14, 11:34 AM
You understand, it is impossible for me upload full scan off all my maps and atlases on my collection. My site it isn't a business site, so I put only 1200 pixewl pics. And 1200 pixel are no many to see a 40 inch map!
But some time ago I've uploaded on mediafire some full scan. See here, it is an old post but it have some interesting links
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=198880
(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=198880)
by www.kartengruppe.it (http://www.kartengruppe.it)
PS: yours pics are a good job but, if you would realistic, remember, KM maps have names & informations only in their language
Your map collection is an inspiration. I am unable to make out the depths which are the missing aspect of the maps in the game and on your images. I dont mean to be critical. They are originals and while a few are of the resolution needed to make out important information 1200 pixels is not sufficient to represent a 40in map in my opinion. For my purposes they are not usable.
I have created my maps to aid in navigation and for depth. The online program I am using to generate the base maps has the information in English. I have looked online for months to try to locate German resources or original German database but can't find anything of central or workable value. I am not going to be translating the information into German but you are free to do so if you wish, I have no restrictions on their use.
The end product is a result of these base maps plus my own research using google earth, and then some filters applied via pixlr. They also include custom decals from various materials online. I would love to see the most detailed images you can create. I have to make patchwork maps because the information is only drawn on the screen a little section at a time and then I need to copy and paste them together.
It takes me about 3 hours per map to get just the data, then fix names/coordinates/add decals/ and finally formatting. That is enough work for me for a simple navigation map. I also do not plan to color these as I think most maps/charts were not in color.
The original intent was black and white charts but they don't have enough flavor for me so I tint them up nice.
P.S. Tried your link in 3 different browsers but it keeps saying retry. So its not working right. Might want to fix that.
kartengruppe
05-07-14, 04:56 PM
.....Tried your link in 3 different browsers but it keeps saying retry. So its not working right. Might want to fix that.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/9gxg4eteg2xznoh/D.Adm.245_Der_Kanal_STRASSE_VON_DOVER_Kriegsmarine _Map_by_www.kartengruppe.it.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/download/vykeza9epgw87ob/D.Adm.303_Kriegsmarine_Map_by_Kartengruppe.it.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/view/pz2joq9hh2nsf2v/D.Adm.30_KIELER__BUCHT_Kriegsmarine_map_by_www.Kar tengruppe.it.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/view/vfd9008hu2jccsl/D.Adm.355_Kriegsmarine_Map_by_Kartengruppe.it.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/tde3fjtw05bba0e/D.Adm.406_STILLER_OZEAN_Mittlerer_Teil__Sudblatt_K riegsmarine_Nautical_Chart_by_Kartengruppe.it.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/85n8qlt4v3ir8al/D.Adm.50S.Blatt_Nordsee_DEUTSCHE_BUCHT_Kriegsmarin e_Nautical_Chart_by_Kartengruppe.it.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/view/17mt6p94c15ccc6/D.Adm.516_Kriegsmarine_Map_by_Kartengruppe.it.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/download/qoiq342hmq13x26/D.Adm.63_Nordsee_SKAGERRAK_Kriegsmarine_Map_by_Kar tengruppe.it.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ngk01e6m3php3ri/D.Adm.67_Ostsee_Deutsche_Kuste_KIELER_HAFEN_Kriegs marine_Nautical_Chart_by_Kartengruppe.it.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/klzdpvfchwbbg9x/D.Adm.8_Nordsee_Deutsche_Küste_REEDE_VON_WILHELMSH AVEN_Kriegsmarine_Nautical_Chart_by_Kartengruppe.i t.rar
if the rar file is protected, the password is kartengruppe.it
Jaystew
05-07-14, 08:06 PM
Im going to try and handle this tactfully. This thread is a listing however of the maps I'm making. I would ask you please refrain from asking simmers to check out your site here in this thread.
You have a business and I'm happy for you. I am a capitalist too. To claim that you are you are not engaged in the business of selling these maps when all of your maps have your logo watermarked on them and therefore are obviously property, i.e. products and that you are actively selling on ebay which is linked from your site and using my thread to market your site is what I would call a violation of good faith since. I have not been asked and have not agreed to sponsor or support your efforts and I'd appreciate it if you stop doing that.
Some might conclude that we are working together in the effort to steer you business and it appears to me that you are using this thread to try and sell your password protected "products" and steer people to your website and in turn your map auctions.
If your intent is to make money that is fine. Please don't misrepresent your intent.
If I have it wrong please forgive me and I will yield to your explanation in your thread. Meanwhile I will continue to add my works here and there will never be any charges for them.
That is all.
kartengruppe
05-08-14, 03:56 PM
I...
If I have it wrong please forgive me and I will yield to your explanation in your thread. Meanwhile I will continue to add my works here and there will never be any charges for them.
That is all.
That isn't all.
You wrong. I'm not a business man. I'm a private collector of ww2 kriegsmarine nautical charts, catalogues & atlases.
I haven't a philantropist and I can't buy all the item I want, I hope you understand. So, sometimes, I sell a doublet on my collection to make money to buy other most interesting items.
Currently I have more than 250 maps and 150 books on my collection and I have on my ebay ONLY 3 maps and 1 book on sell. I think this isn't a good business!
About the logo watermarked on the scans, it is because in the past I found them on a commercial product. But, this is the real fact: all my scans are free for personal use. I would you'll continue your works and I hope my resource may help you and all the people work for the community.
I am so certain of this rule, I updated on mediafire a new map "without logos", a present for all subsim followers, free for personal use.
It is the D.Adm. 66, Der Kanal (British Channel), 1943. I work on it all the day because it is a twin map, composed by 2 nautical chart. I've extract, cut, past and elaborate the image and I make a single image covering all the south Great Britain (north France).
It is an high quality scan, a 62 Mb jpg file, 12380x6250 pixel!!!
I think it's enough to see details.
Here the link for the download:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/vat3leoswcfhebe/D.Adm.66_DER_KANAL_by_www.kartengruppe.it(W+O.Blat t).jpg
and here the preview:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zvKoVOyROlj_-cmVnBjuNdgn8cklhHJXFWFSUTj4XKc=w600-h303-no
www.kartengruppe.it
Now I can say: THAT IS ALL.
Jaystew
05-08-14, 11:48 PM
My apologies. Your link does not load for me. I was able to see the direct link image though. That image is great. Can you make more of the high res ones like that. I know it is time consuming and difficult but it has real historical value. It also aids in navigation too.
Thanks
Jaystew
05-09-14, 12:08 AM
double post no delete
Defiance
05-09-14, 03:25 AM
Jaystew ...........
Click the link, it should try to open a viewer and try to buffer/load it to view, let it try for s few secs, then just click on the dl link, that should take you to mediafire dl page, dl is just shy of 70mb
Hope that helps
Jaystew
05-09-14, 12:07 PM
I can only see the image though direct download. It is pretty specacular in high res. The browsers simply cant handle 10000pixels. Im using Chrome and Firefox and Maxathon and none of them can do it.
Anyway. No4 Bay of Biscay is up
Thanks all :)
http://i.imgur.com/QdwEHVJ.jpg
Jimbuna
05-09-14, 12:26 PM
Very cool :cool:
BLACK_FLAME
05-10-14, 08:39 AM
I am also having issues with JSGME. I follow step by step but when i try a text run to see if mods are active they are not. I posted a screen shot of my file set up. If anyone can help I would appreciate it. :salute:
Jaystew
05-10-14, 08:50 AM
No5 up
Jaystew
05-15-14, 05:34 PM
Working on No 6 this will be a doozy. Does anybody have any specific areas they'd like me to map while I'm doing this? I'm beginning to run out of patrol areas that require navigation and depth charting. Well not really running out of ideas, I guess I'm running out of places I want to go and have maps for.
So now is the time I'm looking for requests. :) Thanks.
Ashikaga
02-16-19, 12:14 PM
He nall. Sorry to revive this topic but all imgur links are sadly dead. Just so you know. Hope they can be revived if your images still exist on your drive.
nutworld
02-23-19, 02:21 PM
He nall. Sorry to revive this topic but all imgur links are sadly dead. Just so you know. Hope they can be revived if your images still exist on your drive.
But Kudos to them for the use of "Zoinks". :haha:
bstanko6
02-23-19, 02:40 PM
I could really go for a high quality printed Scapa Flow chart!
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