Kennedy Space Center Visit

[Stealhead]

This will have some pics sometime tomorrow I'm too lazy to upload them to night.

I went with my wife an daughter to Kennedy Space Center today for my birthday.Needles to say very cool little trip only a 2 hour drive from the house.I have been before but over 20 years ago twice in the late 80's to witness Shuttle launches (both of which got canceled that day:wah:). I also wen once in the early 90's to see the exhibits and go on one of the tours.

I heard from a friend that recently they built a museum for the Atlantis (June 0f 2013 I think) and about 4 or 5 years ago made they made a huge complex for a Saturn V that was left over from Apollo.They decided to fully restore it and put on on display inside a huge building along with tons of other displays related to Apollo program.

The way NASA does it is you must buy a ticket to the park which has a good bit of things on display including the brand new Atlantis complex.Then you can buy one of three tours via bus (they make stops) of different sections of the complex then each tour ends at the Saturn V complex.

The one we went on goes to the Vehicle Assembly Building(VAB). The VAB at one time was the largest building in the world by volume and it still has the largest doors on earth.This is where they assembled the Saturn rockets and later the Shuttles and the SLS will be assembled there as well.

Let me tell you walking into this structure will pretty much blow your mind because of what was assembled there but also the engineering that is in the structure itself.when you step inside and look up you can see clear to the ceiling about 526 ft above your head.

It is hard to describe its layout without seeing it so I'll just post some pictures of it later.But basically it has two huge sets of doors on the north and south end and four smaller(though still massive) sets of doors on the east and west ends.The vehicle(or very large object) would come in via the north and south doors and they do all the fine tune assembly in one of the smaller bays(large enough to fit a Saturn v) including being placed on top of one of the huge crawlers.then they drive it out the small bay doors.


There are four huge cranes inside the largest can handle 320,000 tons(:o) these cranes are so precise you could place and egg under one and have it rest gently on top of the egg and not crack it.The orbiter portion of the shuttle was placed in a special jig when they needed to set it vertical during this process once they had slowly moved it 90 deg they le it sit for at least four hours to make 100% certain that it had stopped swaying before they did anything else.

Another cool thing about the side bays was they had been designed for much smaller Saturn V sections but the Orbiter had too large of a wing span So they have had to lift it 80ft in the air where the gaps for the cranes are just large enough pull it up and then through and then lower it down into the bay.

They never used the west facing bays for final assembly because doing so would mean extra turns for the crawler to get to its special road way instead they use them mainly for storage and smaller mock ups.At the time they had some mock ups of the new Orion mulch-purpose crew vehicle.I mean real engineering mock ups in one of the side bays they had more but it was behind opaque plastic and we where not allowed back there.They had several displays showing the assembly stages of Saturn V and the Shuttle to give you an idea what it looks like.

They also had a display of the various heat tiles and "blankets" which I'm sure they put there after the Columbia loss.The "blankets" which are newer are used on the upper surfaces early on the orbiters had solid tiles on the surface on at the bottom they found during the shuttle program that the "blankets" worked better than tiles did for upper surfaces.These are sown by hand in another facility across the road.All of the tiles and blankets are silica based with varying forms of connection and construction.

If you have ever seen photos of the VAB on the south facing side there is an American flag and the NASA emblem.On that flag the stars are six feet tall and the blue area is that same size as an NBA basketball court I'll post a picture of the flag to give you an idea just how massive this building is.

The Saturn/Apollo complex is just as awesome the rocket is on display horizontally and is in three sections.The pictures do not do this thing justice honestly they did a very good job with the restoration it looks like in time warped from 1970.In a few areas it is cut away to show what the fuel tank/stowage bay looks like.they also had a lunar rover and a section of Skylab.They also have the Apollo 14 capsule on display.

In another room they had several prototype space suits for the Apollo program along with some personal effects of Guss Grissom and Roger Chaffe two of the three astronauts that died in Apollo 1 Grissom's Congressional Space Medal of Honor and a watch that Chaffe almost always wore.

The Atlantis complex is very impressive you watch two short films about the shuttle during the last one you stand in special theater when the film is over the screens lift up and you actually see the Atlantis through the screen.It was very nice it actually kind of takes your breath away the way they do it and some people kind of stood there for a few seconds just staring.They have Atlantis suspended as if she is still in orbit and the bays are open and the robotic arm is extended reaching towards the Hubble telescope (or a very well done mock up).

You can not go inside the Atlantis (which I like actually) but you can stand very close to her.They just left her as she looked on the last mission so the tiles are scorched and all but it looks very awesome.I have worked on and around aircraft for years but this was still something to see a ship just as she looked after a space mission and she is no mock up she is real the last Orbiter to fly in space.It is really something to see up close and so well displayed.Again photos just do not do her justice.

[Stealhead]

The VAB from about 5 miles away taken from the bus.
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Hanger used for shuttle Orbiter storage these are near the VAB.they will be re-purposed for the SLS program.
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USAF Titan IV pad with Titan IV on the pad it was supposed to be launched a week or so ago but they delayed it.The white structure is actually a USAF VAB which is behind the pad.
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These are regular sized double doors on the NASA VAB to give you an idea how massive the VAB is this was from the bus and we where only about 200ft away.
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Inside the VAB from the north end looking inside and in the second photo looking upwards.Yeah America baby!! Notice the guys using the crane near the middle we where there about an hour and that object they only had lifted maybe 2 feet I think they where using it to calibrate the crane.The larger flag is about 716 feet away Jiminy Cricket :huh:.

In the seond photo you can see the cranes as well some are about mid level and some are near the top.I think the crane with the American flag is one of the heavier lifters there was another one parked over one of the bays.
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[Aktungbby]

That's a bigger post than mine!; ya need a Hamm's:up:

[Stealhead]

A shot of the slot where they had to squeeze the shuttle orbiter and the external tank trough.I forgot to take a shot of the lower opening to the side bays they where large but not wide enough for the Orbiters wingspan.those sky light are over 500ft away.
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And another shot of the large American flag because America even the Hamms drinkers but this one is large and of course is for the bourbon whisky drinkers.Hamms drinkers get ne of those plastic Chinese made American flags.
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[Stealhead]

these are basalts to test the weight limits on the cranes the oversize propane tank can hold up 900,000 gallons of water.
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This is the pad that the new SLS will use.Sorry the other building totally Bogarted that shot the tower is part of the pad and it and the rocket all mount on top of a crawler for transport.
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[Stealhead]

Thermal tiles
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An engineering mock up of the SLS Orion capsule.By the way there where 3 security guards watching every move you made in the VAB.
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[Stealhead]

Road intersection that the VAB is on.For Saturn rocket Von Braun also helped design the VAB.
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This the huge painted American flag and NASA emblem I was talking about.
The blue section is the same area as a regulation NBA court.Each star is 6 feet tall to give some perspective.
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[Stealhead]

A few shots of the crawler...no Jawas in sight though.:D
They just performed some major upgrades on them.Inside are two 16 cylinder diesel electric motors much like a locomotive only powering tracks.I would have moved seats but they dislike people doing this while the bus is moving.

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Those blast marks are too precise for Sand People....

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The road that the Crawler drives down top speed 1mph fuel efficiency 1 gallon per 35 feet.Water trucks spray the road down when it is in use and the bed is 8 feet thick all gravel.
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[Stealhead]

launch 39B(I think might be A) all Apollo and Shuttle missions left one of the two.this one still has the Shuttle apparatus the other has been removed and is being converted for SLS.

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part of the blast deflector.If you stand too close to a Shuttle launch the sound vibration alone is so strong it will knock your heart out of rhythm and kill you.

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[Stealhead]

The Saturn V rocket complex picture really do not do this justice though you just have to see it in person.

The business end I'm 6'2" to give you some perspective.Yeah I'm 37 and still get carded what can I say genetics and no smoking.

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[Stealhead]

Different sections of the Saturn V from back to front they have both an Apollo section and a Skylab section.Apollo is on the ground.

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[Stealhead]

Lunar Lander and Lunar Rover
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[Stealhead]

Russian language headline my wife said that the paper is from Belgrade Yugoslavia.

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One of the vans that Apollo astronauts rode to the pad in.(with a funny looking Swede in a pink shirt an ABBA fan I bet..... maybe he is Danish)
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Detailed model of the Saturn V
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[TarJak]

Great pics looks like a good tour.

[Stealhead]

Cutaway side of the same model with the back of my wife's head this section was crowded these where the best shots I could get.

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[Stealhead]

Skylab
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[Stealhead]

Great pics looks like a good tour.


It was, the guide was very knowledgeable he obviously had worked for NASA in a much more considerable capacity this was just a retirement thing fro him seemed like most of the guides where former NASA engineers and techs so they know what they are talking about.

Someone asked ours about the Columbia and he gave a little body language que just for a second that it was very personal to him.I forgot to ask but I am pretty sure he was an engineer of some sort he knew what he was talking about not just recalling a script.

There is a basic tour that comes with admission which goes to the Saturn V complex and the rest you pay extra for but they are well worth it.There are three other tours in addition to the one we went on and a "mega" tour but I think it is better to go on each tour because they each last a few hours and take more than one full day while the mega tour takes a bit less than a day.A friend of mine did all four over three days.The VAB tour is the newest it has been closed to the public since 1978 until just the past year or so and might be again once SLS and commercial launches pick up.

[Stealhead]

Prototype Apollo space suits.
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Makes me think of the suits in Alien
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A Samurai and Buck Rogers love child. Or old school Iron Man.
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[Stealhead]

If you question the moon landing the second set of hands will feed you a knuckle sandwich.Hand molds of Neil Armstrong,Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins.They used these when making the various gloves.
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Apollo 14 capsule
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[Sailor Steve]

That is fantastic! :rock: Great shots! Thanks for sharing with us.

The larger flag is about 716 feet away Jiminy Cricket :huh:.
That's three feet more than the waterline length of a North Carolina class battleship. Unless you were standing right at the opposite wall that means an Iowa would fit comfortably inside that building. Maybe even a modern supercarrier.

[Stealhead]

A million times more impressive in person Atlantis like she just landed.Like I said the way you come in it is really impressive and has an effect on you.Best static display I have ever seen.Some people where actually crying not out of sadness though this is after all the most complex machine made by man.


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[Stealhead]

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[Red October1984]

Awesome shots!

Sounds like a place i'd like to visit.

[Stealhead]

Hubble

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[Stealhead]

I could not have made these up
Toilet
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Bed
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Hunt for Red October
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[Schroeder]

Awesome stuff. Thanks for sharing. I wish I could see that in person one day.:salute:

[Jimbuna]

Absolutely phenomenal place and photographs...a 'must see someday' for me and thanks for sharing :sunny:

[eddie]

Great pictures, Thanks! I saw the shuttle "Enterprise" last time I was in Virginia, and you don't really understand how big they are until you stand along side one! Great pics of the Atlantis!

[razark]

Awesome! I didn't realize that they had opened the VAB for tours. Someday, I'll have to try and make it back there. I was fortunate enough to go in the 90s with my father. We actually got to see them rolling out one of the shuttles to the pad. At the time we were there, it was maybe 50 yards from the VAB.

I know that visitors (working, not tourist) to KSC used to be taken up to the roof of the VAB and wrote their names on it. (According to my father, the names of my two oldest children are somewhere up there.)


BTW: the Saturn V at KSC is not completely real. The first stage was a test stage, never meant for flight. The Saturn V at Johnson here in Houston is the only Saturn V made up entirely of flight hardware.

[Penguin]

I want an "Orbital Outhose Team"-patch now. Thanks for posting the pics, great shots! The thread inspired me to play some Kerbal tonight!:yep:

I was asways impressed how small the CSM actually was in comparision to the rest of the rocket. Regarding its open hatch: was there a chance to actually get into it/take pics of the inside - without getting shot by the guards?

[Stealhead]

Awesome! I didn't realize that they had opened the VAB for tours. Someday, I'll have to try and make it back there. I was fortunate enough to go in the 90s with my father. We actually got to see them rolling out one of the shuttles to the pad. At the time we were there, it was maybe 50 yards from the VAB.

I know that visitors (working, not tourist) to KSC used to be taken up to the roof of the VAB and wrote their names on it. (According to my father, the names of my two oldest children are somewhere up there.)


BTW: the Saturn V at KSC is not completely real. The first stage was a test stage, never meant for flight. The Saturn V at Johnson here in Houston is the only Saturn V made up entirely of flight hardware.


I forgot to mention that the VAB will not be open to the public for long once the SLS and commercial programs pick up it will be closed off again.I think the guide said that they are supposed to have the first unmanned test launch of the SLS in 2015 so better go between now and then if you really want to see the VAB as once SLS starts up it will be closed to the public again.

I have never been to the Houston Visitor Center before looking at photos it looks like that one was out doors at one point and then moved indoors.Looks like it has a used capsule at the top.

I like how they designed the display at Kennedy because you can walk under it.Usually they display the crawlers a little better but they had just been upgraded and where still testing them out so we did not get a closer look.In the past I recall actually stopping and walking around one that was parked.

That was one thing I thought when I was in the VAB that huge floor.In the USAF at the end of each shift everyone swept the floor and then we scrubbed it with aircraft soap and washed. They must do the same as NASA also must follow OSHA to the "T" and has its own regulations.

When I got out of the USAF I considered taking a job with some of the NASA contractors this was back in 2007 and I knew that the shuttle program was going close in a few years time.I did not want to deal with finding another job so I decided not to of course SLS and commercial programs will be up soon but I am sure some of the people that left the Shuttle program will come back for those jobs.I did see a ton of the exact equipment that I worked on in the USAF though.

[Gerald]

Cool picture,:)

[razark]

I forgot to mention that the VAB will not be open to the public for long once the SLS and commercial programs pick up it will be closed off again.I think the guide said that they are supposed to have the first unmanned test launch of the SLS in 2015 so better go between now and then if you really want to see the VAB as once SLS starts up it will be closed to the public again.
Well, it looks like I need to hurry, then.

I have never been to the Houston Visitor Center before looking at photos it looks like that one was out doors at one point and then moved indoors.Looks like it has a used capsule at the top.
Yeah, it spent a couple of decades sitting out, and got in pretty bad shape, but they restored it, and repainted it, and built a shed around it. The capsule was a flight capsule, but it was never completed before the program ended.

...I am sure some of the people that left the Shuttle program will come back for those jobs.
It really depends. Here in Houston, a lot of the people supporting Shuttle left, and then Constellation got canceled and took more. Even with SLS, we haven't seen a whole lot of people. Considering the project is mostly design work now, it's probably the folks in Alabama that have the most work right now.

[Oberon]

Absolutely fantastic pictures, needs more Jeb Kerman though :03:

In all seriousness, it's hard for the mind looking at a picture to fathom the immensity of the Space Center buildings, I mean the VAB is so big it even creates its own weather! :o Astonishing stuff. Some fantastic history there too, and always a sobering moment to see the shuttle, and recall the sterling service in difficult conditions that they have pulled off over the past three decades.

Who knows, maybe one day we'll pull our nationalistic heads out of our collective butts for five minutes and create a global space agency which pools its resources, manpower and missions. The ISS is one step towards that, maybe one day we'll go the next step. A guy can dream. :03:

[Stealhead]

Absolutely fantastic pictures, needs more Jeb Kerman though :03:

In all seriousness, it's hard for the mind looking at a picture to fathom the immensity of the Space Center buildings, I mean the VAB is so big it even creates its own weather! :o Astonishing stuff. Some fantastic history there too, and always a sobering moment to see the shuttle, and recall the sterling service in difficult conditions that they have pulled off over the past three decades.

Who knows, maybe one day we'll pull our nationalistic heads out of our collective butts for five minutes and create a global space agency which pools its resources, manpower and missions. The ISS is one step towards that, maybe one day we'll go the next step. A guy can dream. :03:


The military aspect kind of hinders that though is the the only thing.Even the USAF Space Command does not have a large enough budget to have its own exclusive platform when it comes to manned missions.

@razark true until SLS is much closer to actual missions it is all R&D and not very much support or manufacturing.There was a good bit of road and construction work going on and they are in the process of removing the rail network(I guess it will no longer be useful under SLS)Right now for the Orion capsule I bet those workers only come in to run tests and then go home.Yuo also have the factor that another company might get a contract that a legacy company might not.

[fireftr18]

Great pictures. Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed looking at them. I bet you enjoyed being there much more.
:Kaleun_Cheers:
Do you have more to share? I sure hope so.

[Stealhead]

Yeah I have few others I'll post later today or tomorrow.Most of the exhibits where a bit crowded so you had to wait for a break to snap good photos at some points.Couple shots of the "Rocket Garden" and a few from out the VAB of a test Orion "boiler plate"(capsule in full flight configuration).Also a set of the main gear wheels from the last Shuttle mission used of course.The bus tours hold about 60 people including the driver and guide so they are not too crowded.The main exhibits that everyone can go to are the busy ones.

I have more but they are more family photos rather not post those.Nothing personal with Subsim members but anyone in the world can see what you post here so I wont post those

[Jimbuna]

Most of the exhibits where a bit crowded so you had to wait for a break to snap good photos at some points.

That's what bugs me the most when I visit museums and static lines at airshows.

[Stealhead]

That's what bugs me the most when I visit museums and static lines at airshows.

In most of the US the best time would be in the winter especially Florida that way you only have to deal with Europeans and Brazilians mostly and not every American on vacation.

Of course some are not very crowded at all.The USAF Weapons museum at Eglin AFB,FL every time I have been there is was pretty much empty same for Ft.Rucker the Army Aviation museum and the USAF museum at Warner-Robbins in Georgia all fairly empty most times and they have great static displays.All of those are worth a days visit.

Got some more pics on my wife's camera only she left it in her car which is about 40 miles away at the moment.

[Jimbuna]

Looking forward to seeing them, the Quality Street Gang have no trips planned till next year.

[clive bradbury]

Great shots. I find the photo of the hand moulds really moving and powerful. I know the moulds were taken for entirely pragmatic purposes, but I feel that they now form a sculpture which shows the human element of the project. Be of even more significance when all the men who made them are gone...

[McBeck]

Great shots.
I saw the Saturn V in Houston in September and the size of this thing is just impressive! The pictures are just not able to capture the real scale.
The only thing I could think of when looking at it was : "How did this masive thing EVER get off the ground?!?!?"

[razark]

I saw the Saturn V in Houston in September and the size of this thing is just impressive!
There are two things that always impress me when looking at it, and the Mercury Redstone that stands near it. First, that Mercury capsule would fit inside the F1 engine bell with room to spare, and the Apollo capsule itself would almost fit. Second, the Apollo Launch Escape System had more thrust that the Redstone booster (but a much shorter burn time).