WOTA Off Topic

[v-i-c-]

Just in case that some threads might derail… this is the perfect place for iOS vs Android and other exciting topics.

EDIT: just after a few days I'm convinced that it might be better to add a warning on top of this thread…

I suggest to stop reading this thread exactly here at this line: (unless you are snowbound in siberia and have already finished reading everything else on the web)

[iPadCary]

Stop being such an Apple fanboy.


Yeah, because, y'know, what I said was wrong, right?
Ask any mobile dev & they'll tell ya: because of rampant piracy,
as well as a severe level of a proliferation of malware,
bothering with Android, in the long run, just isn't worth it.



Possibly because it is possible to do it.
When you create an Android version you can also do the Blackberry version.
But as said before: "possibly"


Well, it's "possible" to conquer the world, and look how well that turned out for Germany.
She is now the running lapdog of U.S. national interests in Europe.
Point being, just because something's possible doesn't mean it must/should be done.

Do you honestly believe the work you'll put into a Blackberry & WindowsPhone 8 version
will be justified by the end financial reaped rewards?
Of course not.
Just stick to iOS/OSX/W8 & you'll be fine, trust me.

[Xaron]

Yeah, because, y'know, what I said was wrong, right?
Ask any mobile dev & they'll tell ya: because of rampant piracy,
as well as a severe level of a proliferation of malware,
bothering with Android, in the long run, just isn't worth it.

The contrary is right. Actually our sales are quite much better for Android than for iOS. I know, iPhone are very, very popular over there in the US but become more and more less important here in good ol' Europe. ;)

Well, it's "possible" to conquer the world, and look how well that turned out for Germany.

I had quite a laugh about this one. LOL. I really like your humor, being an evil Kraut by myself. :) I really mean it that way! You're a funny one, keep it up! Actually the truth is that I'm really, really glad we've lost the war!

She is now the running lapdog of U.S. national interests in Europe.

Nothing could be more true, UNFORTUNATELY. Man I really don't like our politicans. Never got why they crawl that much!

Point being, just because something's possible doesn't mean it must/should be done.

Do you honestly believe the work you'll put into a Blackberry & WindowsPhone 8 version
will be justified by the end financial reaped rewards?
Of course not.

Oh yes, it really IS worth it! And actually using Unity it's almost a single click to create versions for Android and Windows Phone.

Just stick to iOS/OSX/W8 & you'll be fine, trust me.

Err... :woot:

[Sung]

Well, it's "possible" to conquer the world, and look how well that turned out for Germany.
She is now the running lapdog of U.S. national interests in Europe.
Point being, just because something's possible doesn't mean it must/should be done.


As you know we have lost the war. I meant is not so difficult to start a World War. We do it twice but we had no idea to win it :woot:. We germans are not so stupid to try it a third time. :D

Now we have a lot of money, because we had such politicans as the lapdog of U.S. We are fat and we pay for our "friends" to protect us. I think thats a very good point of view. The United States are a very large country. With many brave soldiers and they do a very good job. Why we amateurs should do that job? :hmmm:

The NSA makes a good job looking in the german pottery. But who cares?

So if you think Apple is a timeless trademark look at Nokia. Or look at Detroit City or think about that Apple was two times down in his short history. Nothing in the world stands for ever. Nothing.

Empires rise up and fall. Someone wins and someone is loosing.

Stay cool! :yeah:

[Julhelm]

Just stick to iOS/OSX/W8 & you'll be fine, trust me.
Please enlighten us all as to how many games you have shipped since you seem to know it all.

[iPadCary]

The contrary is right.
Actually our sales are quite much better for Android than for iOS.


Uh ....
I was talking to Hessburg.
Why are you answering?!?



As you know we have lost the war.
We germans are not so stupid to try it a third time.


And don't you forget it ....



The United States are a very large country.
With many brave soldiers and they do a very good job. Why we amateurs should do that job?


My wife, who is German, is from a village you never heard of called Elmeloh.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2dwgokj.jpg

She is a Plattsdeutschmädchen: sehr Prussisch.
Bossy, short-tempered, the whole bit.
She even sleeps at attention! lol

I mentioned your remark to her: the one you made about German soldiers being amateurs.
Her response?
Something along the lines of: "Quatsch!"

However, someone a tad more qualified on the subject tends to agree with you: "Red Storm Rising" (http://www.amazon.com/Red-Storm-Rising-Tom-Clancy-ebook/dp/B001QEAQQC/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1386148085&sr=1-1&keywords=red+storm+rising)



The NSA makes a good job looking in the german pottery.


Oh, why don't you, and everybody else, just relax already with that, why don'tcha?
You honestly think the powers that be care about who Merkel sexts in her offtime?
And don't you think the German government, especially after
aquiring DDR Stasi assets post-Anschlüß, spies on The United States Of America, too?
C'mon ....

You sound like a smart boy: don't be so näive.
Everybody spies on everybody.
It's always been that way & always will be.
Privacy, especially in this, the Digital Age, is a non-existant, quaint concept.
Get used to it.



Nothing in the world stands for ever.
Nothing.


Oh yeah?
Well I've got a saying for you: there's a first time for everything.

Nothing stands forever, huh?
Not us, baby.
Not us ....

And you better pray that we're around forever.
Because if it weren't for us, you & the rest of Europe would all be speaking Russian by Christmas.
Don't you forget that.



Please enlighten us all as to how many games you have shipped
since you seem to know it all.



Right, right.
Because as a paying customer, I have absolutely zero place to comment.
Yeccchhh ....

[Xaron]

Uh ....
I was talking to Hessburg.
Why are you answering?!?

Because... because ... ah damn! You're right! :/\\!!

Maybe just my creepy evil german soul woke up. :wah: :D

[iPadCary]

Maybe just my creepy evil german soul woke up.


Actually, in a number of polls, Germany is often voted the #1 most tourist-friendly country in Europe.

And why do you continue to spell "German/y" with a small "g"?

[Xaron]

Man you're right. Must be some kind of a false friend because the word "deutsch" == "german" is written lower case in g(G)erman but uppercase in English. Contrary to "Deutschland" == "Germany"

[iPadCary]

Man you're right.
Must be some kind of a false friend because the word "deutsch" == "german"
is written lower case in g(G)erman but uppercase in English.
Contrary to "Deutschland" == "Germany"


Hey, no need to get snippy ....

[Xaron]

Hum? I'm snippy by default. Ask Hans. :hmm2:

With "false friend" I mean that's like the word "become" where we have the word "bekommen" in German which has a completely different meaning.

[iPadCary]

Hum?
I'm snippy by default.
Ask Hans.


No need to.
As noted above, I expect this behavior from Deutschervolk.
However, I expect it where it's warranted.
Hence, my "no snippy" remark.
Vershtest du, menschchen?

[v-i-c-]

Hmm. I don't think that's true anymore. For my games iOS and Android are actually on par when it comes to sales (Windows Phone way behind). But my current numbers are way to low to have some significant statistics. In terms of downloads for free versions they are definitely almost equal.

no:

When it comes to hard cash from customers – paid downloads and in-app purchases combined – iOS generates more than twice as much. Split out in-app purchases, and iOS generates four times the revenue.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/11/27/iosandroid-app-revenue-gap-narrows-but-ios-still-miles-ahead/#more-299191

[iPadCary]

Vary [Very] late boats had a radio


Will the boat in the sim have one?



I won't publicly discuss any technical details of what's going on under the hood of WOTA
because that's irrelevant to the end user.
I consider this as company confidential.

Well wait a minute now:
is it irrelevant or is it a trade secret?
Speaking to the former, I, for one, think it very relevant!


And tomorrow, 13.Dezember 2013, the long-awaited trailer for the movie "Interstellar" will debut.
Might you join the parade & also release this demo video you've been teasing for so long.

[v-i-c-]

Will the boat in the sim have one?


Late boats.



Well wait a minute now:
is it irrelevant or is it a trade secret?
Speaking to the former, I, for one, think it very relevant!

It's relevant how it finally feels and looks, not how it was technically done.

And it is information that I can not share. Otherwise I could start selling my solutions to all those other mobile developers who frequently ask me to license them.

Please accept that as the final answer.


And tomorrow, 13.Dezember 2013, the long-awaited trailer for the movie "Interstellar" will debut.
Might you join the parade & also release this demo video you've been teasing for so long.

Sorry no, I'm currently too busy with the first release of WOTA.
But you won't have to wait for a long time.

[iPadCary]

Devs have been asking to license your graphics engine, huh?
Based on what: those 4 year old 3GS water demo videos?

[Sailor Steve]

Devs have been asking to license your graphics engine, huh?
Based on what: those 4 year old 3GS water demo videos?
This is sounding less and less like honest curiosity and more and more like badgering, bordering on trolling. You might want to think about the way you phrase things.

[iPadCary]

That, of course, is not how I meant it.
But if that's how it's coming across, well then fine: I'll rephrase in the future, no problem.

However, my genuine question still stands.

[v-i-c-]

Excuse me, I feel a bit lost, what exactly is your question?
Anyway time to move some postings to off topic.

[iPadCary]

The movie business is rotten to the core.


It seems, unfortunately, that I must now preface my every remark by saying:
This is a genuine, serious inquiry: Please elaborate on that.



... the score is produced with a friend who was #1 in the german charts this year ....


This is a genuine, serious inquiry: What genre?


This is a genuine, serious inquiry:
What, by the way, were you thinking of charging for "WOTA: Seehund Type XXVIIb"?
Ballpark figure.

And will we see the new video before Christmas?

[v-i-c-]

It seems, unfortunately, that I must now preface my every remark by saying:
This is a genuine, serious inquiry: Please elaborate on that.


It's just the opposite to of the what's going on in the USA. When it comes to working in the movie business the USA are looking like a socialistic country compared to Germany.

Worst example: result of piece work is that I need less than 3 hours to edit a 50 minutes episode… (So I don't need much more than 3 minutes for a minute)

"Edit" in this case means repair the dubbing rubbish made in other countries (which already was aired!) for new DVD releases.
Repair the dubbing does NOT mean that you have any separated tracks, in worst case you have to edit the 5.1 and can be lucky if you have a separate music track to fill the holes somehow. And holes can be extreme! In some countries the dubbing is terrible, sync offsets up to a second if the editor had a bad moment are common (and those guys seem to have more bad moments than good). At the end the whole thing must be perfect, you have to detect any clicks in the original material and use the pencil tool to correct them, of course all those episodes are in a foreign language that you don't speak… if it's not 100% lip sync everywhere or you missed a single click then we risk a reject with contract penalty - all edited episodes will be checked by another person, if you had any errors in three episodes then you will be out. A finished 50 minutes episode usually has 1600-2200 crossfades per track. 1600-2200 in 3 hours… if you are slower then you will get less episodes to work on than the other team members. …piece work slaves who are trying to get faster and faster.

Other examples:

- It is common that Directors might learn that they get 30% less paid 2 weeks before the shootings start, if he does not accept that then he will be exchanged.

- If you get ambushed in some mexican desert by a drug cartel and they shot at you with machine guns while you are filming… then the company will tell you that this is terrible that you lost all the equipment and the car but it's not their problem.

- Some companies try to save money where ever they can, especially when it comes to safety. As a result you might get killed by a lion or a falling framework.
- The most creative part of this "creative business" is the creative way how to get as much film subsidy as possibly. And how to trick the private or public broadcasters. ("Oh no… we can't give you any more money for that", after work is done "Could you write us an invoice just for the broadcaster about twice that amount of money?")

- Directors always love their next film but not the one they are working on. At least they are always busy phoning about this new movie instead of really working with you to finish that damned current thing - they are happy if they "finished" it within 2 days even if the deal was "you have 3 (paid) days for that"… that's the spirit of real artists…

- the most loved sentence in the whole business is "das versendet sich", which means that they believe no one will see or hear their terrible errors when it runs on TV. But how could you hope to get real quality when the editors sleep on the studio sofa almost every night?

- The films and program is made for some imaginary person that is the result of statistical nonsense. As a result only people aged 60+ wants to see this rubbish. You will never see a show like Breaking Bad made in Germany…

- the business is full of a*holes, you might find yourself thinking "Unfortunately I know something that you don't know… you might be out by tomorrow" while talking to a well known actor about its kids during a break…
Or you often can watch the dubbing-director say "oh great, yes… blah… wonderful" and as soon as the person leaves the studio the director takes his phone "That actor you send to me… I'll never want to see her again!"

- the audio staff has no idea about audio, and even worse the directors often seem to forget that there is something like audio at all. While in fact audio is usually much more important for a movie than the picture (just turn off audio for 5 minutes, then do the opposite and don't look on the screen - audio gives you much more information about the story, about the place etc.)

- germany actors (enough said)

- "payment" = "delay"… waiting 3-6 months is normal. Sometimes they even think it is ok to change the deal after the work is done and even after invoices are sent. Somewhere up in the chain is the guy who earns interest because of your financial problems, the same guy who already makes most money anyway.

- working hours (enough said)

- labor union… muhahahaha looool rofl

- In Germany your job is that of a Eierlegende Wollmichsau (a person who does all things and even more). I do sound design, camera assistance, foley editing, dubbing, editing, restoration, recording, mixing… oh and even those stupid "laugh tracks" that I always hated when watching a show (turned out that I am really a master in that, maybe you must hate it to become really good in some things?)




This is a genuine, serious inquiry: What genre?

He really works in many different genres.

[Forcemajure]

It's done! :)

[v-i-c-]

This is a genuine, serious inquiry:
What, by the way, were you thinking of charging for "WOTA: Seehund Type XXVIIb"?


Can't tell yet.

[iPadCary]

... while talking to a well known actor about its kids ....


Gœtz George?
He's my favorite!



germany actors (enough said)


Please explain.



Wow.
You make the German movie business sound so .... bleak.
When I think "German Movie Business", I think: UFA, "Christiane F." & "Heimat".

[v-i-c-]

No, sorry I don't have time to explain that. Just watch some usual german movies.