Obamacare

[AVGWarhawk]

I just got off my ass and completed open enrollment for 2014. The cost of my health insurance plan has increased by 20%. If there is an "affordable" part with this health care act; as the word implies a reduction in cost, I am unable to find it.

Insert political rant here.

You will not find it.

[August]

I signed up for VA healthcare. It's only priority 8 but it's free and it qualifies as coverage under the ACA.

[AVGWarhawk]

Today BO has announce he will honor the commitment to those having insurance continuing with their policy if they like it. :hmmm: I don't think he has the authority to change the law at will. I also understand the insurance companies were asked to send letters out to those cancelled advising the policy holder can retain their policy if they like it. However, the insurance company is not held accountable in keeping those policies and need to advise the policy holder to check the market place for coverage. Good CYA Mr. Obama.

This law that was not read until after it was signed into law is a living breathing nightmare. What a utter mess. Loads of stress and uncertainty. The numbers game of 106,000 signing on but not actually picking a policy with exception of 27,000 accepting but have not a premium payment yet is a circus. Credibilty....extinct as of Oct 1, 2013.

[Bubblehead1980]

This dirtbag has no shame, his healthcare is a failure, which it was from the moment it was passed via corrupt means now he is at some OH steel plant, playing class warfare, trying to rev up with emotional rhetoric and start a push for immigration "reform" , no shame.The people at this "rally" should be ashamed of themselves for attending this event, clapping for this man.What more must he do to even get the mindless drones to wake up?

[AVGWarhawk]

He really has no shame. I'm quite convinced the current body of Democrat Senators are nothing more than a frat house. All are utterly clueless what's in the bill. None care about anything but their own jobs. This event clearly shows this. 10 Senators are up for re-election and all supporting POTUS in this altering of "THE LAW OF THE LAND" so to save their hides. Self-serving.

What a mess.......

[Bubblehead1980]

He really has no shame. I'm quite convinced the current body of Democrat Senators are nothing more than a frat house. All are utterly clueless what's in the bill. None care about anything but their own jobs. This event clearly shows this. 10 Senators are up for re-election and all supporting POTUS in this altering of "THE LAW OF THE LAND" so to save their hides. Self-serving.

What a mess.......


Hopefully, voters will be smart enough to not fall for this crap.I would love to see him impeached, he does not deserve to ride out the rest of the term.Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, drone strikes on us citizens, etc, intentionally lying to the american people, plenty to go after him.There is plenty to impeach him on, perhaps if retain the house and get the Senate, it can be done.The man belongs in prison to be honest, he knowingly, with intent, lies on a constant basis and is in plenty of dirty things we don't know about but need to exposed.People are scared to expose him unless sure can get him out, of power, if I were a religious man I would pray everyday for this.Hopefully no one would pardon him like Ford did for Nixon.

No doubt next year he will do everything he can to shove immigration "reform" through as he did Healthcare "Reform", hopefully the house will stop him, but he will try to bully them into out of fear of blowback from hispanic voters.Perhaps sens ewill run the day, since have a great arguing point.Really want to trust another obama law? Look at obamacare.

[Madox58]

Polls show an approval rate of 9%.
It's kind of figured 2% of people in the U.S. are classed as 'retarded' in some way.
That means the remaining 7% are just plain stupider then the front door of your house.
Those are the ones hired to work for the Gov.

[AVGWarhawk]

Hopefully, voters will be smart enough to not fall for this crap.I would love to see him impeached, he does not deserve to ride out the rest of the term.Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, drone strikes on us citizens, etc, intentionally lying to the american people, plenty to go after him.There is plenty to impeach him on, perhaps if retain the house and get the Senate, it can be done.The man belongs in prison to be honest, he knowingly, with intent, lies on a constant basis and is in plenty of dirty things we don't know about but need to exposed.People are scared to expose him unless sure can get him out, of power, if I were a religious man I would pray everyday for this.Hopefully no one would pardon him like Ford did for Nixon.

No doubt next year he will do everything he can to shove immigration "reform" through as he did Healthcare "Reform", hopefully the house will stop him, but he will try to bully them into out of fear of blowback from hispanic voters.Perhaps sens ewill run the day, since have a great arguing point.Really want to trust another obama law? Look at obamacare.

What this shows(all of the incidents you noted above) is a pure lack of caring by all involved. Seriously, they are all clueless and simply care about their own situation. Bill Clinton threw BO under the bus all at the same time promoting Hillary for Pres. Cleverly contrived and orchestrated.


Immigration reform? At this point all in DC should be focused on correcting the ACA or completely dumping it. Either way, IR is not going to be on the table any time soon. Credibility on PA Ave is lost and for good reason.

[AVGWarhawk]

Polls show an approval rate of 9%.
It's kind of figured 2% of people in the U.S. are classed as 'retarded' in some way.
That means the remaining 7% are just plain stupider then the front door of your house.
Those are the ones hired to work for the Gov.

Not sure were you got the 9% but all the same, many believe they were lied to and knowingly so. I do not know anyone that likes to be lied to. The other 2% apparently like Kool Aid.

[Bubblehead1980]

Not sure were you got the 9% but all the same, many believe they were lied to and knowingly so. I do not know anyone that likes to be lied to. The other 2% apparently like Kool Aid.


9% is for congress I believe, last polls for obozo were 38-39%

[AVGWarhawk]

9% is for congress I believe, last polls for obozo were 38-39%

Congress has been at 9% for months. Bottom feeders....



This is the worst part...these folks who got cancelled can now keep their plan for 1 year. Great one would say but in 1 year they go through this again. Where is the fix??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??

[Madox58]

Ya. Congress. Those 38-39% numbers for Obama probably included Congress and all the sub-leaches, clingers that buy his poo-poo.
:nope:

At those ratings? Thier gonna need bigger FEMA detention centers.
:haha:

[Bubblehead1980]

Congress has been at 9% for months. Bottom feeders....



This is the worst part...these folks who got cancelled can now keep their plan for 1 year. Great one would say but in 1 year they go through this again. Where is the fix??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??


Not a fix, just a gamble, hoping to distract sheep with other things.

[AVGWarhawk]

Not a fix, just a gamble, hoping to distract sheep with other things.

It is not a fix Bubble. It is deferring at best. A band aid were sutures are required. It will not work. Folks have become wise to what is going on. Waiting another year for the inevitable is unacceptable. It was not you can keep your insurance if you like (caveat 1 year). Total BS sir.

[AVGWarhawk]

Ya. Congress. Those 38-39% numbers for Obama probably included Congress and all the sub-leaches, clingers that buy his poo-poo.
:nope:

At those ratings? Thier gonna need bigger FEMA detention centers.
:haha:

And to add Privateer, I know plenty who are absolutely clueless of the ACA and anything else that goes on beyond their world of the Candy Crush and what's on the reality channel.

[Madox58]

And to add Privateer, I know plenty who are absolutely clueless of the ACA and anything else that goes on beyond their world of the Candy Crush and what's on the reality channel.
I'm thinking your speaking of those elected to represent us?
:hmmm:

[Ducimus]

Reading the last page or two, I was just reminded of something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mw3DqpfR14

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm thinking your speaking of those elected to represent us?
:hmmm:

No, a few of my wife's family members.

[Madox58]

No, a few of my wife's family members.

I did reference the front door didn't I?
:D

I don't buy the whole FEMA Camp thing but We are approaching something very bad.
Those We elected have let us down and I don't see them saveing us without a great cost to the plain old Guy out there.

Hell. Most will probably be re-elected.
:nope:

[nikimcbee]

Just signed up for my company's enrollment plan. Wow, the selection pool is a lot smaller.:down: They also smurfed around with the vision plan. On a side note, I signed up for one of those HSA. We'll see how that works out.

This whole thing is a clustersmurf. Hopefully, every politician that has their fingerprints on this gets booted from office.

[Madox58]

Hopefully, every politician that has their fingerprints on this gets booted from office.
Gotta love a DREAMER!
:haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

This administration is horrible. Instead of working to fix the healthcare system the day was spent attempting to fix a law named ACA or affectionally named Obamacare. That's it. Save a legacy. Nothing more. Priorities in DC are themselves. The rule of law does not exist. It changes day to day as dictated from the WH. How can any individual or business owner make good financial decisions when there is no stability in DC? It's chaos. Congress should go home. They don't matter anymore.

[August]

Congress popularity ratings are useless.

Why should a Congresscritter from say Vermont care if a Californian doesn't like his job performance? Answer is he doesn't. All he cares about is the 700k or so people in his district. They are the ones he has to answer to.

[AVGWarhawk]

Congress popularity ratings are useless.

Why should a Congresscritter from say Vermont care if a Californian doesn't like his job performance? Answer is he doesn't. All he cares about is the 700k or so people in his district. They are the ones he has to answer to.

And he or she only tells them what they want to hear.

[Onkel Neal]

Supreme Court upholds key Obamacare insurance subsidies (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/25/us-usa-court-healthcare-idUSKBN0P51V220150625)

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/moneybox/2015/06/25/king_v_burwell_decision_john_roberts_explains_why_ he_just_saved_obamacare/roberts.png.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.png

I can see where not allowing a technicality to upend the whole mess makes sense. But the whole mess is still a mess.

[vienna]

Found this news item rather interesting since one rarely gets much background on the machinations of SCOTUS opinions:


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-25/roberts-fought-back-against-scalia-in-sharply-word-footnotes?cmpid=yhoo


It must be rather chilly in the corridors of the SCOUTUS nowadays...


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[August]

It must be rather chilly in the corridors of the SCOUTUS nowadays...

At least that is the hope of some port leaning people. :)

[Platapus]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-25/roberts-fought-back-against-scalia-in-sharply-word-footnotes?cmpid=yhoo



The first paragraph of this opinion piece to me illustrates one of the problems with the SCotUS.

I don't want a Conservative justice on the Supreme Court
I don't want a Liberal justice on the Supreme Court

I want a justice that will logically research constitutional law and render interpretations based on our evolving cultural/environment as a whole independent of a political party's agenda.

The whole idea of "he was appointed by a conservative president so he really needs to vote as a conservative" undermines the purpose of the Supreme Court. It is not, and should never be a politically motivated court. This is one really good reason why they are appointed for life.

Unfortunately/fortunately, justices of the Supreme Court are human and are appointed by politicians, which is a sub-class of human (:D)

I applaud any justice who votes based on their experience and knowledge of the law despite the political agenda of who appointed them... even when I disagree with how they voted.

I don't have to agree with the vote, but I should agree with the process of the vote. That's part of a representative democracy too.

[Bilge_Rat]

the ruling is right in the mainstream of case law. It is standard to look at the context and object of the law when interpreting particular provisions, so nothing unusual there.

In a larger sense, what the Court is once again saying is that this is a political problem and it is up to voters and Congress to fix it, not the Supreme Court.

This is a narrow ruling, since it only applies to the interpretation of that section as written, Congress is, of course, free to amend the law to explicitely provide that no one will get federal subsidies in states that have not set up their own exchanges...if they so wish...:ping:

[Sailor Steve]

I want a justice that will logically research constitutional law and render interpretations based on our evolving cultural/environment as a whole independent of a political party's agenda.

:yep:

I remember reading a long time ago a list of Justices who had disappointed the Presidents who put them there by actually ruling honestly. I wish I could find it again, because it was a fairly long one. I don't like Obamacare but found this ruling refreshing.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Not a fix, just a gamble, hoping to distract sheep with other things.

Like the Kochs and Waltons ravaging the entire country?

[August]

the ruling is right in the mainstream of case law. It is standard to look at the context and object of the law when interpreting particular provisions, so nothing unusual there.

In a larger sense, what the Court is once again saying is that this is a political problem and it is up to voters and Congress to fix it, not the Supreme Court.

This is a narrow ruling, since it only applies to the interpretation of that section as written, Congress is, of course, free to amend the law to explicitely provide that no one will get federal subsidies in states that have not set up their own exchanges...if they so wish...:ping:


This ^

[Wolferz]

the ruling is right in the mainstream of case law. It is standard to look at the context and object of the law when interpreting particular provisions, so nothing unusual there.

In a larger sense, what the Court is once again saying is that this is a political problem and it is up to voters and Congress to fix it, not the Supreme Court.

This is a narrow ruling, since it only applies to the interpretation of that section as written, Congress is, of course, free to amend the law to explicitely provide that no one will get federal subsidies in states that have not set up their own exchanges...if they so wish...:ping:

Any senator or congress critter that goes along with that, will be out of a job in short order. Their built in loop hole kind of backfired on them, eh?:hmmm:

I think the IRS has been dragging their heels on the wife's refund until this case was decided.:down:

Compared to what she paid in insurance premiums for the six months prior to her 65th birthday, the subsidy is a joke anyway.

[August]

Their built in loop hole kind of backfired on them, eh?:hmmm:

Who's built in loop hole?

[Wolferz]

Who's built in loop hole?

Congress of course!
They slipped that mickey in there in hopes of getting out of paying the subsidies and the ploy backfired.

[Tchocky]

Congress of course!
They slipped that mickey in there in hopes of getting out of paying the subsidies and the ploy backfired.


.........no.

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/25/no-congress-isnt-trying-to-exempt-itself-from-obamacare/

2 - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/08/congress-exempt-from-obamacare-or-something.html

[August]

Congress of course!
They slipped that mickey in there in hopes of getting out of paying the subsidies and the ploy backfired.

Well the Congress that wrote that legislation are not the same ones who wanted the suit to succeed.

[vienna]

Next up is the GOP attempt to repeal Obamacare. It's not going to be easy; the GOP raised a big stink when they contended the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) findings of an increase in the deficit if Obamacare is repealed was due to the then Democratic CBO head futzing with the figures. So, they got him dumped and replaced him with Keith Hall, a former GW Bush Administration staffer. The end result has been Hall and the CBO have not only confirmed the "tainted" projection, but have also predicted a worse deficit impact. Careful, GOP, you seem to be doing a lot of self heiney shooting leading up to the 2016 elections...


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/246087-republicans-knock-cbo-health-score


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