Klan holding a meeting in Gettysburg

[eddie]

Of all the places these jerks want to have a meeting at!!:nope:

http://news.msn.com/us/gettysburg-national-park-grants-kkk-event-permit

[soopaman2]

As scummy as it is, and as distasteful as we may see it, it is their right.

I am sure the town gave them permits to do so, maybe the town council needs to be beaten and not the Klan...

The Klan is doin what it always did, but the town is allowing it, it can reject permits, I seen it happen with Occupy movements, locally.


Maybe it is encouraged by the locals, it is Virginia after alll, no malice intended, but...Just saying.
Not exactly the most progressive state in race relations...

(is the war over? err not to some down south)

[mapuc]

Here's my best Tips. Ignore them totally. Let them stand there and talk to a very empty-crowded area.

I Know there will always be some that find them interesting and want to hear them speak.

Markus

[eddie]

Hey soops, Gettysburg is in Pennsylvania!!

[soopaman2]

Hey soops, Gettysburg is in Pennsylvania!!

(fair point)Yup, still south of the Mason Dixon. Sorry.

Wrong state, same opinion.

Guess what...Slaves are free, and not only that, they can vote, and not at 3/5ths a man like the south loved it.

Funny how slave owners cried about life liberty and the pursuit of happyness, while owning slaves. (only for honkies)

Any other facts I missed?

Brits also burned our capital, something else americans ignore.

[nikimcbee]

Here's my best Tips. Ignore them totally.

This.

Other groups I'd include on this list: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, westboro Baptist, occupy movement.

[soopaman2]

This.

Other groups I'd include on this list: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, westboro Baptist, occupy movement.


I can add nothing to this, but to quote this and say, YES! Me too.:D

So many silly willys throwing up smokescreens to our real problems.

Groups like the ones you mentioned succeed in pitting Americans against each other, be it race based or ideal based.

As long as we hate each other, be it the black, whites, Mexicans, Homosexuals, etc...we will never hate the true oppressors, the government itself.


NSA, YOU CAN COME GET ME ANYTIME.

I said it, my genitalia, in your wives faces, come get some NSA.:haha::03:

(I know your readiing, the bunch of virgins they are)

[Wolferz]

I attended one Klan rally that was held over court ordered busing for our schools. When they tried to plant their cross in a hole to burn it, they dropped it and it broke. That's when I left the morons there to face the wrath of the incoming army of police that I passed heading to the park as I drove home.:haha:

[Sailor Steve]

Funny how slave owners cried about life liberty and the pursuit of happyness, while owning slaves. (only for honkies)
I've chided others for trying to change the subject. Now it's your turn. We don't need that argument again.

Brits also burned our capital, something else americans ignore.
Are the Brits planning to march in Washington? I don't see what the point is.

[nikimcbee]

I've chided others for trying to change the subject. Now it's your turn. We don't need that argument again.


Are the Brits planning to march in Washington? I don't see what the point is.

To clean DC up.:O: Of course, they need to break through the outer defensive ring, err, I mean slums.

+2 if they try and take Detroit again.:haha::haha::haha:

Where's your General Cornwallis now?

[Dread Knot]

The American Civil War. The rift that keeps on giving. :doh:

[Platapus]

Our belief in free speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of expression is never more tested than when it is applied to a group some may despise.

I have absolutely no interest in what this group has to say, but I will support their right to peacefully and legally say it.

[mapuc]

Our belief in free speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of expression is never more tested than when it is applied to a group some may despise.

I have absolutely no interest in what this group has to say, but I will support their right to peacefully and legally say it.


Couldn't have said it better my self. And you have the right to ignore them or refuse their political/belief they may have

Markus

[eddie]

I really don't believe Pennsylvania is below the Mason-Dixon Line. Its nawth of it!:D

[Oberon]

The American Civil War. The rift that keeps on giving. :doh:


:haha: Amen, brother, amen. :salute:

[Platapus]

I really don't believe Pennsylvania is below the Mason-Dixon Line. Its nawth of it!:D
Most assuredly North. :up:

[Sailor Steve]

Since Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon were hired to survey the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland, I would have to concur that Pennsylvania is definitely north of the Mason-Dixon line.

[Armistead]

I believe the line is the southern border of Pa.

My uncle was in the KKK when I was a kid, but dead now. The KKK has a rally in our small town once a year.

When I was a teen I remember the shootout between the KKK and a civil rights movement in Greensboro. It was clear the KKK got a pass, they certainly wouldn't get by with it today. It's on youtube if you want to watch the gun battle.

[CaptainHaplo]

Funny how slave owners cried about life liberty and the pursuit of happyness, while owning slaves. (only for honkies)

Any other facts I missed?

#1) The first legally recognized slave owner in what is now the US was not one of us "honkies". He was a black man by the name of Anthony Johnson.

#2) While the first slave (John Casor) was black, historical documents show that the same Anthony Johnson also bought 5 whites in 1651.

#3) John Johnson (Anthony Johnson's eldest son) purchased 11 white men and women in 1652.

#4) Not all slavery was in the south. Do some research on Nat Butler - a Maryland (that's in the North, btw) farmer who was black and was notorious for his activities in the business of selling blacks into slavery.

#5) Free blacks are documented in Boston, Mass that owned slaves in 1724 and in Connecticut by 1783. Note - 1783 is AFTER the formation of the US as an independent nation - and both locations are again "in the North".

#6) Research John Stanley - who in the early 1820's owned 3 plantations and 163 slaves. He even hired white overseers to run his interests and property....

#7) Or try the story of William Ellison - who was born a slave, bought his freedom, and became richer than 9 out of 10 whites in South Carolina. When he passed away, he owned 900 acres of land and 63 slaves - none of which did he allow to purchase their own freedom.

#8)1830 in Louisiana alone - here are just a few black folks that owned numerous slaves:
Sophie Delhonde owned 38 slaves.
Lefroix Decuire owned 59 slaves
Antoine Decuire owned 70 slaves
Leandre Severin owned 60 slaves
Victor Duperon owned 10
Victoire Deslondes owned 52 slaves
Martin Donatto owned 75 slaves
Jean B. Muillion owned 52 slaves
Martin Lenormand owned 44 slaves
Verret Polen owned 69 slaves
Francis Jerod owned 33 slaves
Cecee McCarty owned 32 slaves.
The 13 members of the Metoyer family in Natchitoches Parish, LA collectively owned 215 slaves.
Madame Antoine Dublucet owned 44 slaves
Madame Ciprien Ricard owned 35 slaves
Louise Divivier owned 17 slaves
Genevieve Rigobert owned 16 slaves
Rose Lanoix and Caroline Miller both owned 13 slaves each

#9) In 1860 - in Charleston, SC alone:
Marie Weston owned 14 slaves and had a net worth of over $40,000 - when the average white man would make $100 dollars a year.
Justus Angel owned 84 slaves .
Mistress L. Horry owned 84 slaves as well.
The two above were the largest black slave-owners in the city at the time.

#10)According to economic historian Stanley Engerman, "In Charleston, South Carolina about 42 percent of free blacks owned slaves in 1850."

I could go on - but there really isn't any point. Most people adhere to the politically correct "the south was all evil white men wanting to own black slave men to work in the fields and black women to work in the kitchen and "serve the masta" in other ways in the home".

Factually history shows that the issue of slavery is a whole lot more complex than just race or geography.....

[Tribesman]

I could go on - but there really isn't any point. Most people adhere to the politically correct "the south was all evil white men wanting to own black slave men to work in the fields and black women to work in the kitchen and "serve the masta" in other ways in the home".


I though most people adhere to the correct. "the south was run by white men wanting to own black slave men to work in the fields and black women to work in the kitchen and "serve the masta" in other ways in the home".

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

#6) Research John Stanley - who in the early 1820's owned 3 plantations and 163 slaves. He even hired white overseers to run his interests and property....Shoudn't this read "black overseers" or was the owner black? Doesn't sound special otherwise. :hmmm:

[TarJak]

Shoudn't this read "black overseers" or was the owner black? Doesn't sound special otherwise. :hmmm:

His point was the owner was black.

[Aktungbby]

The American Civil War. The rift that keeps on giving. :doh:
T'warnt civil neither!:up:

[Sailor Steve]

#1) The first legally recognized slave...etc
I already asked Soopa, so now I'm asking you - can we please leave that for the three Civil War threads we already have? This has absolutely zero to do with the Klan wanting to have a rally at Gettysburg.

[Armistead]

Free blacks certainly could own and trade slaves, but small in comparison to large planters. In certain cities some wealthy blacks were more integrated in the white community, Charleston, NO, etc, but were never seen equal to whites.

[CaptainHaplo]

I already asked Soopa, so now I'm asking you - can we please leave that for the three Civil War threads we already have? This has absolutely zero to do with the Klan wanting to have a rally at Gettysburg.

Steve - it also has nothing to do with the Civil War. Not once did I mention the War of Northern Aggression in my post.

My response was only to correct the obvious erroneous statement regarding "honkies" - aka whites being the only ones who owned slaves or for whom "Live, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" applied. Given that there is documentation that shows whites were bought by blacks, such misinformation just continues a politically correct but historically inaccurate picture of slavery.

It was not only whites that owned slaves and it was not only in the "south". Which is why I ended the post as I did.

[Sailor Steve]

It was not only whites that owned slaves and it was not only in the "south". Which is why I ended the post as I did.
That's true, but you also didn't address his main point, which was that the people who cried the loudest about their own freedom also owned other human beings.

And you responded to his post, which I considered a derailment, so that applied double to yours, and I guess now applies triple to mine. :dead:

[Oberon]

And here's me, just watching a film...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTcaRk0ZRJ4

[Jimbuna]

Can we all stay on topic please.

TIA

[Tribesman]

Not once did I mention the War of Northern Aggression in my post.

is that the war that began when the northerners started shooting at people in fort sumter?

[Armistead]

is that the war that began when the northerners started shooting at people in fort sumter?

No, the one when an invading yankee army marched into Va.

[Tribesman]

No, the one when an invading yankee army marched into Va.
Only if your calendar runs backwards for a week:O:
Still I suppose its better than that "War of Northern Aggression" neo confederate claptrap which started getting thrown around in the 1950s when them damn negroes were getting a bit uppity about their civil rights down south.

Oh and Jim
Can we all stay on topic please
it is on topic, the Klan picked up on using that 1950s claptrap again at the end of the 70s with their more "modern" manifestation of the same old white supremacist bollox.

[Armistead]

Only if your calendar runs backwards for a week:O:
Still I suppose its better than that "War of Northern Aggression" neo confederate claptrap which started getting thrown around in the 1950s when them damn negroes were getting a bit uppity about their civil rights down south.

Oh and Jim

it is on topic, the Klan picked up on using that 1950s claptrap again at the end of the 70s with their more "modern" manifestation of the same old white supremacist bollox.

Well, my one ggg grandpappy fought for the South as a cause, the other one remained neutral living in the mountains of then Va. The yankees stole his brothers horses a few months after the war started. He joined Mosby and was later hung.

I do agree, the KKK is disgusting. I hate when they come here and do a rally once a year.

[Tribesman]

I do agree, the KKK is disgusting. I hate when they come here and do a rally once a year.
Disgusting they may be, but they do have rights of assembly (T&C apply) and the right of free speech(T&C apply). As long as they don't cross the lines of those conditions they can do as they like

To divert slightly. There was an idiot from bandit country up in Belfast court yesterday over some old flag waving civil war nonsense.
Pretty standard stuff he is charged with, incitement to hatred, incitement to commit crimes, illegal assembly, illegal possession of a weapon, obstructing traffic...he claims that those British laws are only meant to apply to muslims:rotfl2:

[Aktungbby]

I though most people adhere to the correct. "the south was run by white men wanting to own black slave men to work in the fields and black women to work in the kitchen and "serve the masta" in other ways in the home".
Ya mean Clark Gable and Yvonne de Carlo in 'Band of Angels'; Thomas Jefferson 'stirrin the stock' or just a routine 'Mandingo fantasy'- nobody uses 'serve da massa' anymore; please be politically correct! :o

[nikimcbee]

Interesting historical sidenote. The largest membership of the Klan outside of the South was in southern Oregon.:dead:

[Tribesman]

Ya mean Clark Gable and Yvonne de Carlo in 'Band of Angels'; Thomas Jefferson 'stirrin the stock' or just a routine 'Mandingo fantasy'- nobody uses 'serve da massa' anymore; please be politically correct! :o
Blame the person who was quoted:03:

[Ardaeshir]

Here's my best Tips. Ignore them totally. Let them stand there and talk to a very empty-crowded area.

I Know there will always be some that find them interesting and want to hear them speak.

Markus

Seems like the wise thing to do really. These sort of movements strive for media and public attention. If you don't like them - deny them what they want.