Sunshine but no light...

[Chisum]

What a strange world !
The picture explain all...

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/16/32/90/77/00010.jpg

Have you an idee to resolve this little bug ?

Thanks in advance dear mates.

:salute:

[RConch]

The old black sky. Looks like a mod conflict. You didn't tell what mods you have loaded.

[vanjast]

Your sub has teleported to an alternative earth.. here you are the good guys. Ja.. check you environment mods.. as mentioned, maybe a conflict.

[sublynx]

I remember suffering from a bug like that when I changed GWX 8 km atmosphere to 16 km atmosphere. The problem was that I had not rolled back SH3Commander.

[badwolf]

I remember suffering from a bug like that when I changed GWX 8 km atmosphere to 16 km atmosphere. The problem was that I had not rolled back SH3Commander. Yep, spot on.

[Chisum]

Here is my active mods.

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/16/32/90/77/klm10.jpg

I don't remember well(due a long time no play) but it's possible that I removed the 16 km atmosphere before playing again.

I'll try in port and I'll let you know.

Thank you to the help, you're the bests.

:up:

:salute:

[Chisum]

Daylight is back !

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/16/32/90/77/sh3img18.jpg

But I lost the Thomsen's Water...
http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/16/32/90/77/sh3img19.jpg

Anyway, daylight was the main.

Thanks again mates.

:up:

[sailor_X]

What a strange world !
The picture explain all...

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/16/32/90/77/00010.jpg

Have you an idee to resolve this little bug ?

Thanks in advance dear mates.

:salute:

Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun :rock:

[sailor_X]

I don't remember well(due a long time no play) but it's possible that I removed the 16 km atmosphere before playing again.

I'll try in port and I'll let you know.

Thank you to the help, you're the bests.

:up:

:salute:

I always have a screenshot of JSGME with mod order to remember how to enable correctly. You might also find it usefull :)

[Chisum]

Yes indeed, this is a great idea!
Thank you friend.

PS: yep "Black Hold Sun" is great too !!

PS2: this community, the Subsim community, still the most wonderfull I've meet on the web since my virtual born(1999). You're all the one mates.

[BigWalleye]

Why not simply use the Save mod profile and Load mod profile functions of JSGME? Then you don't have to reload all your mods individually if you want to make a change that isn't at the top of the list. And the file JSGME Mod Profile.mep gives you a nice printable (and editable!) list of you active mods. Or you can use the Export activated mod list function, which will make you a text file or print the list? JSGME has a bunch of useful features under the Tools menu.

BTW, making changes to your activated mod list without rolling back SH3 Commander is an invitation to disaster. You can corrupt the mods you have installed and even the base SH3 (or GWX) files. And the only way to recover is sometimes a complete reinstall. This is a very dangerous mistake to make! (Don't ask me how I know....)

[sublynx]

PS2: this community, the Subsim community, still the most wonderfull I've meet on the web since my virtual born(1999). You're all the one mates.

I've been a member of this forum for a couple of years now and I still regularly wonder how come this forum is almost always helpful and friendly as most of the other forums I've been to are not. This forum is a sort of virtual brotherhood - you can write what you want to say without much fear that someone takes it the wrong way. Newcomers are treated with respect, too. :arrgh!:

You may try installing Thomsen's water again, it might work when installed again. If not, Mano's Environment Pro v4 or Rik's SH5 water for SH3 might do the trick.

[Sailor Steve]

I've been a member of this forum for a couple of years now and I still regularly wonder how come this forum is almost always helpful and friendly as most of the other forums I've been to are not. This forum is a sort of virtual brotherhood - you can write what you want to say without much fear that someone takes it the wrong way. Newcomers are treated with respect, too. :arrgh!:
I think the average age here is higher than most forums. We get some young'uns, but for the most part people here are at least in their late 20s, and quite a few are easily twice that. Also, sub sims are the kind of game that require some patience and thought. The average gamer doesn't want to spend hours just looking for something to stalk for several more hours, then do it all over again.

The third possibility is that while our General Topics forum can get pretty wild, for the most part we don't allow too much crap in the game forums. Someone proving himself to be a real troll will find himself taking a time-out in short order.

[RConch]

Some of us are 3x20 with a little change.:D
First person shooter game would give me a heart attack.

[sublynx]

First person shooter game would give me a heart attack.

The average gamer doesn't want to spend hours just looking for something to stalk for several more hours, then do it all over again.

:D

I think a first person shooter game that would simulate the actions of a sniper or a deer hunter would be just the thing for us "stalkers" :ping:

[Chisum]

Why not simply use the Save mod profile and Load mod profile functions of JSGME? Then you don't have to reload all your mods individually if you want to make a change that isn't at the top of the list. And the file JSGME Mod Profile.mep gives you a nice printable (and editable!) list of you active mods. Or you can use the Export activated mod list function, which will make you a text file or print the list? JSGME has a bunch of useful features under the Tools menu.

BTW, making changes to your activated mod list without rolling back SH3 Commander is an invitation to disaster. You can corrupt the mods you have installed and even the base SH3 (or GWX) files. And the only way to recover is sometimes a complete reinstall. This is a very dangerous mistake to make! (Don't ask me how I know....)

Damned, I've never seen it !
:oops:

Thank you it's saved !
:up:

[Chisum]

I've been a member of this forum for a couple of years now and I still regularly wonder how come this forum is almost always helpful and friendly as most of the other forums I've been to are not. This forum is a sort of virtual brotherhood - you can write what you want to say without much fear that someone takes it the wrong way. Newcomers are treated with respect, too. :arrgh!:

All the nations that were involved in World War II are present on this forum. Here we have the English, the Americans, French, Australian, New Zealand, Belgian, Dutch, all allies are here. But we also have German, Italian and even Japanese (if I remember correctly), all the nations of the AXE are here on Subsim.
But there never was a word of hatred or rancor.
It is probably that the most extraordinary.
I also believe that many world leaders should think about it before launching missiles and helicopter gunships against people...

:subsim:

[BigWalleye]

We all have a common interest and a common goal, and the sharing of knowledge is not a zero-sum game. Unlike R/L, where the competition for scarce resources usually IS a zero-sum game, a game were those who lack the necessities of life, die. It's easy for everyone to get along, especially when the haves - the talented modders - are willing to share freely with the have-nots - the mod-using community. It's nice that the haves, in this case, possess sufficient resources that they are both able and willing to donate their labor to the community and receive nothing in return. For a variety of reasons, this is seldom the case in R/L.

The modern Olympic Games have been going on since 1859. Participants also generally share common interests and goals. Yet, the Games existed in the shadow of the wars of the 20th Century. And far from bringing people together, they have been a mirror for the greed, enmity, and inhumanity of R/L. Thankfully, SubSim is too small, too unimportant, and too strictly controlled for anything similar to enter here. But that is ONLY because this is a private resource, the owners enforce strict rules of behavior, and we guests here accept those rules in exchange for the benefits which this forum provides.

R/L, whose rules are you willing to follow? And whose enforcement are you willing to accept?

[Sailor Steve]

Some of us are 3x20 with a little change.:D

I was being nice.

Mainly because I'm in that category myself.

We actually have a few who are approaching 4x20.

[Chisum]

We all have a common interest and a common goal, and the sharing of knowledge is not a zero-sum game. Unlike R/L, where the competition for scarce resources usually IS a zero-sum game, a game were those who lack the necessities of life, die. It's easy for everyone to get along, especially when the haves - the talented modders - are willing to share freely with the have-nots - the mod-using community. It's nice that the haves, in this case, possess sufficient resources that they are both able and willing to donate their labor to the community and receive nothing in return. For a variety of reasons, this is seldom the case in R/L.

The modern Olympic Games have been going on since 1859. Participants also generally share common interests and goals. Yet, the Games existed in the shadow of the wars of the 20th Century. And far from bringing people together, they have been a mirror for the greed, enmity, and inhumanity of R/L. Thankfully, SubSim is too small, too unimportant, and too strictly controlled for anything similar to enter here. But that is ONLY because this is a private resource, the owners enforce strict rules of behavior, and we guests here accept those rules in exchange for the benefits which this forum provides.

R/L, whose rules are you willing to follow? And whose enforcement are you willing to accept?

Very good questions and I do not know the answers.
Personally, when I look at the subsim forum, I see almost the same as during the D-Day commemorations in Colleville-Sur-Mer and/or Omaha Beach for example. There, you can see an old gefreiter, gunner on MG42 fall into the arms of a former sergent of the 82nd Airborne as if they had been at school together. It always leaves me with an extreme emotion, often near the tears because this part of the war has really touched me and I'll never forget all of the boys died for my freedom.
But after that, I really do not understand anymore. Yesterday they were killing, and the thousand of graves in so many cemeteries prove it, and today the same guy, became like brothers...
How useful was this war except for a minority of people who have never been on the battlefield ?
And finally, why did they the war ?

It's a mystery, perhaps the mystery of the age on the final way...

[Chisum]

Water back too. ^^

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/16/32/90/77/sh3img20.jpg

About the file saver of JGSME, take care: the soft save always in the same file and kill your previous save...Don't forget to rename the file after saving.

:salute:

http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/16/32/90/77/000710.gif

[BigWalleye]

The scene you describe between an-ex Nazi soldier and a US paratrooper is not uncommon. The best description of this emotion that I have seen was written by Ned Beach in his Introduction to Herbert Werner’s Iron Coffins. I do not know or understand the reaction. (I have never been in combat, or even in military service.) But from what I have read, it does not seem a likely basis for reducing war. It seems to take years to achieve – not “yesterday.” And it is selective: when Beach wrote his Introduction, he was a Cold War sub commander, and it does not seem to have influenced him to cut his Soviet counterparts any slack.

Visualizing World Peace sounds all hip and New Age-y, but it doesn’t address the problems that cause people. in great numbers, to want to kill those they see as different, to take what they have or to prevent others from taking from them. The roots of the problem lie in other areas, and feeling good is not a substitute for addressing the realities of economic, political, or ideological conflict. Back in the 70s, I was a small part of that great movement that ended the Viet Nam War. Ending that war saved many lives, brought immense suffering to many others, and did nothing to change the mindset of either my country or the rest of the world in any lasting way.

BTW, you mention that “...I'll never forget all of the boys died for my freedom.” Are you speaking of the American, the German, or both? Because, back on June 6, 1944, both would have told you that that was what they were doing. From all I have read, I don’t think anyone goes to war believing that the cause they are fighting for is wrong.

[Chisum]

BTW, you mention that “...I'll never forget all of the boys died for my freedom.” Are you speaking of the American, the German, or both ?

How can you accept to consider that the German soldiers were fighting for my freedom in 1944 ?
Search on Google for "Massacre de Bande 1944" for example, it was in my country, december 24th, mery xmas...
http://www.bel-memorial.org/cities/luxembourg/bande/memorial_fusilles/bande_memorial_fusilles.htm

You can also watch on "Oradour" to know how the german soldiers were fighting for our freedom.

Well, I think it's better to stop the conversation here because we can't continue without talking politics and this is not the main theme of the forum.
Sorry, that was not my goal when I paid tribute to the liberators of 1944
where I keep an eternal gratitude, even though I know they were primarily victims of the system.

[BigWalleye]

I did not say that the Germans were fighting for your freedom. I said that the German soldier would have said that he was. In saying that, I took a bit of license with your words, but the German soldier would have said and believed that he was fighting for "a better world" for you (if you were of the right ethnic heritage) as well as for himself. I am well aware of the evils the Nazis did, and believe that much of that evil was inherent in the Nazi worldview. But, since we were talking about the causes and alternatives to war, I just wanted to stress that even a German soldier, fighting for the Nazi regime, thought he was risking his life for a good reason. This is a part of the problem peacemakers always face: Both sides believe in their cause strongly enough to die for it! The morality of fighting for the Nazis troubles me even when I play SH3. But it didn't trouble a lot of people, ordinary folks who were hardly sociopaths. It is often easy for an outsider to look at a conflict and find that, in his eyes, one side clearly has the moral high ground. But that in no way diminishes the commitment of the other side's combatants, and "you are wrong!" is not a convincing argument. Finding ways to bring peace to the world is very different from creating a rational, comfortable Internet site.

[Aktungbby]

We actually have a few who are approaching 4x20.
A second childhood?:rotfl2: