Nidal Hasan found guilty on all counts, 13 times murder

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23818930


The jury, which reached a unanimous verdict in seven hours, begins the penalty phase of the trial on Monday.

The 13-member panel must come to a unanimous agreement in order to recommend that the judge sentence Maj Hasan to death. If they do not agree, he will face a life prison sentence.

The US military has not executed a service member since 1961. There are five inmates on the US military's death row at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, all at various stages of the appeals process.

Among the last barriers to military execution is authorisation from the president.


I wonder whether Obama would authorize it indeed.

Since I rate the deed, due to its religious background, as terrorism, and also consider the fact that he did not act as a civil person in a civil environment, but as a soldier in the military, I am supporting an execution sentence.

Usually, in most cases I am not supporting the death penalty in civil criminal contexts as long as no very special circumstances apply.

[eddie]

He wants to die so he can be concidered a Martyr. Part of me wants him dead, but sitting in a wheel chair for life while in Prison wouldn't bother me too much either.

[Rockstar]

Take it out back put a bullet in it's head, kick some dirt over it and call it a day. No pomp, no circumstance, no media, never mention it's name ever again. On the other hand if its sentenced to prison make sure to take the wheels off its chair.

[Cybermat47]

Take it out back put a bullet in it's head, kick some dirt over it and call it a day. No pomp, no circumstance, no media, never mention it's name ever again. On the other hand if its sentenced to prison make sure to take the wheels off its chair.

Don't refer to the enemy as it. He is a living, breathing human being with a family. If you refer to him as it, then you are saying that he is sub-human. The Nazis referred to Jews, Blacks, Slavs etc as it. We should never become monsters.

[August]

Don't refer to the enemy as it. He is a living, breathing human being with a family. If you refer to him as it, then you are saying that he is sub-human. The Nazis referred to Jews, Blacks, Slavs etc as it. We should never become monsters.


Not disagreeing but there is a vast difference between labeling a group and labeling an individual. I think we would all agree that Hasan the individual deserves every insulting epithet that one can think of.

On the sentence topic I like the idea of him sitting in his wheelchair in a small grey cell for the rest of his useless life.

[Cybermat47]

I think we would all agree that Hasan the individual deserves every insulting epithet that one can think of.

On the sentence topic I like the idea of him sitting in his wheelchair in a small grey cell for the rest of his useless life.

I agree with both of those statements :yep:

[Feuer Frei!]

for life while in Prison wouldn't bother me too much either.

Tax payer says hello.

Cheaper to send him to the nether region.

[Tribesman]

Tax payer says hello.

Cheaper to send him to the nether region.

Is it?
25 years stuck in the appeals process doesn't seem like a cheaper option

[Feuer Frei!]

Is it?
25 years stuck in the appeals process doesn't seem like a cheaper option

There may well be some truth in that.

Doubtful it would be 25 years in for-ing and to-ing considering the guy represented himself, gave no closing arguements\speeches, no requests at all for presenting witnesses, and admitting his guilt.

Doubtful it would take 25 years to execute him, with full admission of guilt and absolutely no interest and presentation of a defense :hmmm:

[Nippelspanner]

Tax payer says hello.

Cheaper to send him to the nether region.
It amazes me that many people still think that a person on death row is cheaper than being imprisoned without parole. It is about 3 times more expensive actually.
Cheapest would be an immediate execution, but things like this can backfire badly. Maybe not in this case, but generally spoken.

I think letting him rot in a miserable prison cell would be a good thing. Why end his suffering with a needle? Let him rot...

[Tribesman]

There may well be some truth in that.

Doubtful it would be 25 years in for-ing and to-ing considering the guy represented himself, gave no closing arguements\speeches, no requests at all for presenting witnesses, and admitting his guilt.

Doubtful it would take 25 years to execute him, with full admission of guilt and absolutely no interest and presentation of a defense :hmmm:
Appeal is automatic in capital cases like this.
I used the 25 year figure as 2 of the other 5 currently on military death row were from the 1980s and are still going through the legal ins and outs.

[Skybird]

Don't refer to the enemy as it. He is a living, breathing human being with a family. If you refer to him as it, then you are saying that he is sub-human. The Nazis referred to Jews, Blacks, Slavs etc as it. We should never become monsters.

I only say this. Some humans are worthier than others, we all are not all of the same value, the loss of some is easier affordable than that of others, and the loss of some others even can be a relief.

That may all be not politically correct, nor especially socialistically thought, and certainly it is not representing Christian values. I'm very sorry.

A monster he indeed is not. But a very stupid individual that was made stupid by political-religious ideology, and an jndividual that has put itself beyond the context of society and has gone amiss its laws, benefits and protected privileges.

[Skybird]

It amazes me that many people still think that a person on death row is cheaper than being imprisoned without parole. It is about 3 times more expensive actually.
Cheapest would be an immediate execution, but things like this can backfire badly. Maybe not in this case, but generally spoken.

I think letting him rot in a miserable prison cell would be a good thing. Why end his suffering with a needle? Let him rot...

Why cruelty when determination is sufficient. Immediate execution or life in prison - and let him work there to come up for the costs for his clothes, food, heating, guards' wages, etc. It indeed is not to be understood why society is expected to pay for criminals, or terrorists like this. Prisoner wants light in his cell? Let him work for the power bill. A TV? He has to pay.

[Oberon]

Why cruelty when determination is sufficient. Immediate execution or life in prison - and let him work there to come up for the costs for his clothes, food, heating, guards' wages, etc. It indeed is not to be understood why society is expected to pay for criminals, or terrorists like this. Prisoner wants light in his cell? Let him work for the power bill. A TV? He has to pay.

I can't disagree with this, we have to work for the things we want, so should criminals, just because they try to take the short cut outside of jail doesn't mean they should inside it.

Honestly though, in this instance, one of those max security jails sounds like a good option, after a few years in that he'll be wishing he was executed.

[Rockstar]

Don't refer to the enemy as it. He is a living, breathing human being with a family. If you refer to him as it, then you are saying that he is sub-human. The Nazis referred to Jews, Blacks, Slavs etc as it. We should never become monsters.

Though I don't much like the guy its certainly not my enemy, its a convicted cold blooded murderer, an animal deserving to be put down for the sake of the community.

[eddie]

He's been sentenced, and gets the death penalty.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/jury-sentences-nidal-hasan-to-death-for-rampage

[Jimbuna]

Most fitting :yep:

[Platapus]

Now lets see if we can actually execute someone this century. :yep:

[CaptainHaplo]

Now lets see if we can actually execute someone this century. :yep:

Actually I would prefer we didn't. At least not for about 20 years or so... Let him be forgotten - instead of made into a martyr

[Tchocky]

I don't see much chance of a speedy execution changing anything.

Anyone who chooses to see him as a martyr has already made up their mind.


I only say this. Some humans are worthier than others, we all are not all of the same value, the loss of some is easier affordable than that of others, and the loss of some others even can be a relief.

Thinking like this gets an awful lot of people in an awful lot of trouble.

I suppose you're qualified to make that judgement? How arrogant.

[Platapus]

Actually I would prefer we didn't. At least not for about 20 years or so... Let him be forgotten - instead of made into a martyr


We have not seen a lot of signs of radical Muslims overseas, or even domestically being a follower of him.

He did not have a following, he was a follower. :yep:

[mookiemookie]

Death is too quick of an out for him. I say stick him in a supermax jail cell forever. This sounds terrible:

http://i.imgur.com/ZilpG.gif

[August]

Death is too quick of an out for him. I say stick him in a supermax jail cell forever. This sounds terrible:

Hopefully he'll sit in one of those for 20 years or so until his appeals expire before he finally gets to be a martyr.

[Skybird]

I don't see much chance of a speedy execution changing anything.

Anyone who chooses to see him as a martyr has already made up their mind.




Thinking like this gets an awful lot of people in an awful lot of trouble.

I suppose you're qualified to make that judgement? How arrogant.
In this case of Nidal Hasan, almost everybody in this forum is qualified to make that judgement. Claiming one is not means to imply that 13 times murder means nothing.

And a "thinking like this gets people in trouble"? I do not buy into this socialist concept that people should be given what they want or need, and not according to what they deserve. I do not want mercy, but justice. And I prefer freedom over equality (the curse of the French revolution is that it made it appear exactly the other way around). If that is arrogant, then I hope my arrogance springs into everybody's eyes at first glance, for I cannot be arrogant enough then. It's an expression of man's reasonability and sense of fairness, then.

[Skybird]

Reading about some people's idea of punishment, I see bloodthirst and cruelty rank high again today.

Unfortunately that does not turn him into a better being, but it makes you a worse one.

Determination is sufficient. Cruelty is not needed.

Give him a bullet, burn him to ashes, delete the record, forget him, turn to next item on the agenda.

[August]

Reading about some people's idea of punishment, I see bloodthirst and cruelty rank high again today.

Unfortunately that does not turn him into a better being, but it makes you a worse one.

I don't think anyone needs to be lectured on morality by a guy that advocates deliberately targeting the wives and children of enemy leaders. :nope:

[Tribesman]

In this case of Nidal Hasan, almost everybody in this forum is qualified to make that judgement. Claiming one is not means to imply that 13 times murder means nothing.

Yet it does mean nothing in your little world.
You can't have it both ways.
This murderer claims he was fighting a war, you say there should be no rules to cover war and slaughter should be done without restriction, by any means, until the war is finished.
You have disqualified yourself from giving judgement by you own twisted ideology.

[eddie]

Now lets see if we can actually execute someone this century. :yep:

Doesn't look like that will happen anytime soon, the military is slow to do that!

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/for-fort-hood-shooter-long-appeals-before-execution

[Skybird]

I don't think anyone needs to be lectured on morality by a guy that advocates deliberately targeting the wives and children of enemy leaders. :nope:

Should I take moral advise on how to fight in war against enemy leaders from somebody who has witnessed his nation living through three major strategic defeats?

:hmmm:

Ach nöööö... Preferably not. Maybe you fight politely. But you lose beautifully nevertheless a bit too often for my taste.

[Takeda Shingen]

Should I take moral advise on how to fight in war against enemy leaders from somebody who has witnessed his nation living through three major strategic defeats?

Perhaps in your Skytopia you could just cast him out, but since that is little more than a fanciful dream fueled by personal hang-ups, I would say, yes, you could stand to benefit from him lecturing you on morality.

[vienna]

http://i.imgur.com/ZilpG.gif


Hey, I think I saw a dorm room like that...


<O>

[August]

Should I take moral advise on how to fight in war against enemy leaders from somebody who has witnessed his nation living through three major strategic defeats?

:hmmm:

Ach nöööö... Preferably not. Maybe you fight politely. But you lose beautifully nevertheless a bit too often for my taste.

I wasn't giving you advice. I was just pointing out that it's hypocrisy to lecture others about morals when you have none yourself.

[Skybird]

I wasn't giving you advice. I was just pointing out that it's hypocrisy to lecture others about morals when you have none yourself.
I made that comment you quoted some years ago and in a context that expressed that the evil big guys tend to raise the stakes because the suffering does not reach them and the dying is done by their people and subordinates, not their family that may be dear to them. I wondered back then whether it would be different if it would not be just the ordinary people, but their own wife and children getting killed in the ongoing of a war. And I said back then that once the kids are old enough, it is stupid to let them live if they already have been risen in the spirit and mindset of their father so that they continue his deeds if the father is removed. I think I also said that even politicians in the West too easily vote for wars because they have no own family members exposed to the dangers, or have the power to buy them out of a draft system.

As long as you seem to imply by questioning my argument from back then (by quoting it out of context and thus, like you love to do so often, giving it a twist, a certain appearance that nevertheless distorts it) that you find it acceptable to have the suffering done by the ordinary population while leaving the closest inner family circle of those responsible for the bloodshed untouched, as long as you do not object to collateral damages killing hundreds and thousands because you refuse to accept killing the family members of the responsible evil leaders and teaching them the lesson of the war directly - as long as you think and argue that way, you have no moral authority whatever to lecture me or others about morality.

And try to quote people in context. That you often have misquoted me intentionally and out of context over the years, to score a cheap rhetoric point en passant, says more about yourself than it says about me.

[August]

Whatever Skybird, it doesn't change the fact that you have no business lecturing others on morality.